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Post by HYR on Jul 9, 2017 17:10:46 GMT
After envisioning a new character concept for Hawke, I got the sudden urge to play DA2 again. Origin tells me the last I played it was August 10, 2015 -- pretty much two years ago. For my newest Hawke I am going to opt for male with "nice guy" morality, mage spec'd in Blood Magic (little grey streak to him). With the mage/Templar thing, I'm going to imagine that this Hawke basically believes in freeing the mages and will try to help that cause, but also tries to be unbiased/objective in settling disputes between the two sides, all the while trying to protect himself and his loved ones from oppression by the Templars for his own apostasy. It's probably going to be the most pro-mage Hawke that I've done. Currently working through the prologue. I'm toying with the idea of recording and uploading this playthrough with running commentary, starting after the first conversation with Bartrand/Varric. I've never done that before, but it might be fun. I'm also using the prologue to test out the recording process -- having some technical issues with it so far. Regardless what happens with that, though, I do plan on chronicling it ITT as I go. 'Should be interesting!
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Prologue, #1: bsn.boards.net/post/814272/thread Prologue, #2: bsn.boards.net/post/829290/thread Act 1, #1: Act 2, ##: Act 3, ##:
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Post by HYR on Jul 9, 2017 17:12:29 GMT
So who else is still playing? What are you up to w/r/t your Hawkes? I'd love to hear other ideas. Oh, and kindly please keep any references or mentions of Mass Effect: Andromeda out of this thread; I have not played it yet, but do plan to sometime soon, and would prefer to remain relatively unspoiled...
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Post by phoray on Jul 9, 2017 17:29:19 GMT
Lots of people are still playing, but I'm not much of a youtuber. Why would anyone mention MEA in a DA2 thread?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 9, 2017 17:45:52 GMT
I still play, mostly as radical pro-mage, only once finished at the Templar side for Carver and because this was a nice Hawke who wanted save the city, and wanted to avoid the fight with his Templar brother, and wanted to compliance to everyone. I have one more diplo Hawke, who sided with the mages, his brother died at the Deep Roads (At first time I din't know, that Anders need if I want a living Carver after the Deep Roads – and he said: he hates the Deep Roads. I don't like to play with spoilers, so I played blindly.) These were my first Hawkes, years ago. My rest Hawkes are sarcastic-sarcastic/aggressive mixed with some diplo. My newest Hawke (still in progress) is a agressive/sarcastic one, this is pretty fun. He's a blood mage, planned rival with everyone except Anders, but I changed my mind: Fenris just seems too much admire him... so a weird-nice friendship started. Merrill will be interesting: I don't know yet, friendship or rivalry. Other concepts for mixed personality Hawkes (from an other thread): I like this idea, Hawke's personality depends on the mixed blue/purple/red archetypes. blue/red/purple: You can start as blue, naive/helpful Hawke, who later more and more angry and impatient, so slowly be red, after when realize, that whatever s/he does, things get only be worse (Liandra dies etc.), become sarcastic, disappointed. red/blue/purple: Impatient hot-head young wo/man, later as become more patient, helpful, but disappoints, and become sarcastic with some red. purple-blue/purple/purple-red: charming, good-hearted guy. Helpful, but takes everything easy, later start to tired from the people, became more sarcastic than charming, and less helpful, at end lost his/her charm and optimism, become a disappointed, angry, sarcastic bastard.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 9, 2017 20:35:36 GMT
I'm still playing too. I have two Hawkes at the moment, Alighiera, a sarcastic rogue, who likes her fun and is generally very easygoing and Jyoti, apostate mage and a 'good gal' wit ha wild streak. Ali will get the assassin and shadow specs, Jyoti healer and force mage (I don't play blood mages). Both will end up helping the mages, because I have yet find a reason to help a woman, who has clearly gone mad. Ali is not that much into mage freedom, she does it for selfish reasons: if she doesn't help the mages, her sister is among the casualties of Meredith madness (Bethany is a circle mage in this playthrough). Jyoti is pro mage freedom but she will root out blood mages merciless, because those idiots are one of the reasons, mages are in trouble today in her opinion.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 10, 2017 14:02:45 GMT
I still play it. I tried playing as male Hawke once, but I had to stop because of the voice. I deleted that character and started a new one with femHawke
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Post by eriador117 on Jul 10, 2017 19:27:28 GMT
I still play it. I tried playing as male Hawke once, but I had to stop because of the voice. I deleted that character and started a new one with femHawke I was the opposite, played so many times with a male Hawke that I just couldn't get used to the female voice So it'll always be male Hawke for me. My most recent PT I had a mage Hawke who sent lots of mages to the Circle but he came down on the mages' side at the end, as he thought Meredith was completely crazy. An annulment would have killed innocent people in the Circle, some might have been children too. He romanced Fenris, of course, who else? and Fenris sided with the mages too, as he was at full friendship by that stage. Mostly blue and purple, very few red.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 10, 2017 19:53:06 GMT
I still play it. I tried playing as male Hawke once, but I had to stop because of the voice. I deleted that character and started a new one with femHawke I was the opposite, played so many times with a male Hawke that I just couldn't get used to the female voice So it'll always be male Hawke for me. My most recent PT I had a mage Hawke who sent lots of mages to the Circle but he came down on the mages' side at the end, as he thought Meredith was completely crazy. An annulment would have killed innocent people in the Circle, some might have been children too. He romanced Fenris, of course, who else? and Fenris sided with the mages too, as he was at full friendship by that stage. Mostly blue and purple, very few red. Why he sent the Mages in the Circle? What was his reason to sent them to this very dangerous and cruel Circle, led by an extremely cruel, law breaker Knight Commander? He's an apostate... why don't HE was who went into the Circle? That Meredith is a law breaker and dangerous, seemed at the first moment when Hawke arrived in Kirkwall, in fact before yet: Hawke told to his Mother, that so dangerous to go in Kirkwalll. After that we met wit Karl, that was clear. So: what was his reason to send his fellows to the Circle?
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Post by Sah291 on Jul 10, 2017 21:03:35 GMT
Lots of people are still playing, but I'm not much of a youtuber. Why would anyone mention MEA in a DA2 thread? There's a thread down below about the twins, but that's the only reference I've seen here, so I think the OP is safe. I haven't played DA2 in probably a year now? I don't remember. I just finished a 100+ hour slog through Persona 5, and that was right back to back Horizon Zero Dawn and Andromeda, so I really need a break before starting up another new series/game. I was thinking of doing a quick DA2 run... I don't know why but DA2 is relaxing, like a movie you know all the lines to, haha. I still have mods loaded up that I haven't used yet.
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Post by eriador117 on Jul 11, 2017 11:04:55 GMT
I was the opposite, played so many times with a male Hawke that I just couldn't get used to the female voice So it'll always be male Hawke for me. My most recent PT I had a mage Hawke who sent lots of mages to the Circle but he came down on the mages' side at the end, as he thought Meredith was completely crazy. An annulment would have killed innocent people in the Circle, some might have been children too. He romanced Fenris, of course, who else? and Fenris sided with the mages too, as he was at full friendship by that stage. Mostly blue and purple, very few red. Why he sent the Mages in the Circle? What was his reason to sent them to this very dangerous and cruel Circle, led by an extremely cruel, law breaker Knight Commander? He's an apostate... why don't HE was who went into the Circle? That Meredith is a law breaker and dangerous, seemed at the first moment when Hawke arrived in Kirkwall, in fact before yet: Hawke told to his Mother, that so dangerous to go in Kirkwalll. After that we met wit Karl, that was clear. So: what was his reason to send his fellows to the Circle? Well, with Feynriel he thought the Circle was the best place to help him, turns out it wasn't but Hawke didn't know that at the time. He sent Grace and Co. to the Circle because they attacked Hawke's party first and Grace wanted to kill Ser Thrask, who Hawke knew was a good man and he didn't deserve to die. So off to the tower for those mages. This was early in the game when Hawke didn't know how far Meredith's madness/cruelty had spread. He got more into mage freedom as the game progressed.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2017 11:49:12 GMT
Why he sent the Mages in the Circle? What was his reason to sent them to this very dangerous and cruel Circle, led by an extremely cruel, law breaker Knight Commander? He's an apostate... why don't HE was who went into the Circle? That Meredith is a law breaker and dangerous, seemed at the first moment when Hawke arrived in Kirkwall, in fact before yet: Hawke told to his Mother, that so dangerous to go in Kirkwalll. After that we met wit Karl, that was clear. So: what was his reason to send his fellows to the Circle? Well, with Feynriel he thought the Circle was the best place to help him, turns out it wasn't but Hawke didn't know that at the time. He sent Grace and Co. to the Circle because they attacked Hawke's party first and Grace wanted to kill Ser Thrask, who Hawke knew was a good man and he didn't deserve to die. So off to the tower for those mages. This was early in the game when Hawke didn't know how far Meredith's madness/cruelty had spread. He got more into mage freedom as the game progressed. Meredith tranquilized Karl even against the Chantry law, so the danger of the Kirkwall Circle and Meredith cruelty toward the mages was unquestionable in Act1 too. Feynriel extremely feared the Circle, and again based on Karl's case, no one can consider this Circle safe place for a mage. And the dalish seemed better solution in many aspects. Grace's case's a bit different, but honestly, killing Thrask not an illogical thought from her: she didn't know Thrask, only knew, that he's a Templar. True, she too. (I never accepted the idea, to kill him, even with red Hawke, but let the poor Starkhaven apostates run.) The problem with this choice, that perhaps Grace seems cruel, Hawke can't judge her case alone, Hawke must send to the Circle the whole Starkhaven group or let them run away. These are rebel mages. I did not see any valid reason to send them to Kirkwall, where Karl was tranquilized due some letters and one escape attempt. Especially that Hawke was free. (True, this decision depend on how we can imagine Malcolm thoughts and his effect on his children.) Perhaps if Hawke would be in Ferelden, or Ostwick, where work probably less cruel Circles (I found Calenhad Tower terrible, but perhaps a bit predictable, than Meredith's Circle), his decision would more understandable (the Circles are very good in education, and have nice libraries, true, still prisons). I have to refer to Karl's case again, Kirkwall Circle is dangerous, especially in a mage's eyes. No offense, I just curious, why many people just ignore this moment, or does not attach great importance to it, while in my eyes this moment tells everything about Meredith's methods and real nature. (For my Hawkes Idunna, the exotic Wonder was the only exception, even my killer Hawke: he also seems, the Circle's a good punishment to her [yes, with possible tranquility, sad thing...], or a chance to be better. She's a criminal, deserve prison while the others just poor runaways.)
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Post by Sah291 on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:09 GMT
Catilina my guess is it's because Meredith is still an unknown at that point in that game, and the events in act 1 could be taken as just a corrupt element in the Templar order. But as the game progresses you see it goes all the way to the top and there is a problem with the whole system itself, not just a few corrupt Templars. We are shown there are really some honorable Templars as well, but the problem is unfortunately bigger than them.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2017 13:44:32 GMT
Catilina my guess is it's because Meredith is still an unknown at that point in that game, and the events in act 1 could be taken as just a corrupt element in the Templar order. But as the game progresses you see it goes all the way to the top and there is a problem with the whole system itself, not just a few corrupt Templars. We are shown there are really some honorable Templars as well, but the problem is unfortunately bigger than them. If Hawke speak with the first guardsman, who s/he met when arrived, he told, that Meredith Knight Commander rule over the City. And no matter, Hawke know her name or not, a simple Templar can't commit the rite of tranquility at least in normal case... so: Meredith/the Unknown Knight Commander of Kirkwall, responsible for Karl, no doubt. Of course there are good Templars too... I never doubt that.
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Post by Sah291 on Jul 11, 2017 13:52:55 GMT
Catilina my guess is it's because Meredith is still an unknown at that point in that game, and the events in act 1 could be taken as just a corrupt element in the Templar order. But as the game progresses you see it goes all the way to the top and there is a problem with the whole system itself, not just a few corrupt Templars. We are shown there are really some honorable Templars as well, but the problem is unfortunately bigger than them. If Hawke speak with the first guardsman, who s/he met when arrived, he told, that Meredith Knight Commander rule over the City. And no matter, Hawke know her name or not, a simple Templar can't commit the rite of tranquility at least in normal case... so: Meredith/the Unknown Knight Commander of Kirkwall, responsible for Karl, no doubt. No doubt, I agree. But she had plausible deniability, just like Elthina, who also had a rogue element of Chantry fanatics acting on her behalf. The game uses this theme a lot. Even Hawke can claim it in the end game when it comes time to decide Anders' fate.
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Jul 11, 2017 21:37:12 GMT
So who else is still playing? What are you up to w/r/t your Hawkes? I'd love to hear other ideas. Oh, and kindly please keep any references or mentions of Mass Effect: Andromeda out of this thread; I have not played it yet, but do plan to sometime soon, and would prefer to remain relatively unspoiled... I am. Fast approaching 1000 hours in DA2. No! 3 zeros in hours is correct. (I need a life). This time playing angry Female 2 handed. Romancing Anders. Will support Templars and stab him. But I always complete upto the last straw and never complete the game. I find final quest too depressing. Right now on MOtA. Saved right before you head to Chateau Haine. And experimented with Anders-Bethany, Anders-Varric, Bethany-Varric, Bethany-Sebastian, Bethany-Merrill combo. I have came to conclusion that Bathany Sebastian team was by far most effective. P.S. BTW Romanced Anders is freaking jealous of Tallis! It's hilarious. I only flirt with her to get his reaction. Otherwise I hate Tallis and what she stands for. She only gets angry reaction from me.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2017 22:03:34 GMT
So who else is still playing? What are you up to w/r/t your Hawkes? I'd love to hear other ideas. Oh, and kindly please keep any references or mentions of Mass Effect: Andromeda out of this thread; I have not played it yet, but do plan to sometime soon, and would prefer to remain relatively unspoiled... I am. Fast approaching 1000 hours in DA2. No! 3 zeros in hours is correct. (I need a life). This time playing angry Female 2 handed. Romancing Anders. Will support Templars and stab him. But I always complete upto the last straw and never complete the game. I find final quest too depressing. Right now on MOtA. Saved right before you head to Chateau Haine. And experimented with Anders-Bethany, Anders-Varric, Bethany-Varric, Bethany-Sebastian, Bethany-Merrill combo. I have came to conclusion that Bathany Sebastian team was by far most effective. P.S. BTW Romanced Anders is freaking jealous of Tallis! It's hilarious. I only flirt with her to get his reaction. Otherwise I hate Tallis and what she stands for. She only gets angry reaction from me. 1000+ hours! Nice, this more than mine! I like The last straw. The whole weird story's worthy end. This is a depressing story if you watch it from Kirkwall's viewpoint, but if you see that as a rebel mage, this is a new beginning (Bethany, Anders) – true, a bloody new beginning. In my Templar-end PT was very depressing, yes. He betrayed his fellows for his idiot brother... and for nothing. I felt the Viscount title as 30 pieces of silver... That Hawke needed to leave Kirkwall, because the Templars didn't trust him, and they betrayed him (as I heard – and this would be the one logical explanation, why Viscount Hawke disappeared), is a very good fate to Viscount Hawke, I think.
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Jul 12, 2017 4:12:37 GMT
I like The last straw. The whole weird story's worthy end. This is a depressing story if you watch it from Kirkwall's viewpoint, but if you see that as a rebel mage, this is a new beginning (Bethany, Anders) – true, a bloody new beginning. I am mostly pro-templar. And have hard time hating Meredith. "I tried to have sympathy! Maker knows, I've tried! But how can we allow them freedom when so many would use it to commit atrocities? They control minds, they become abominations, they began the Blight itself!" Meredith. Minor spoilers ahead. . . . . In "Legacy", you stumble upon a codex that provides plausible explanation about relatively high occurrence of blood magic and other lunacies in Kirkwall/Free marches (compared to rest of the Thedas). The imprisonment of Corepheus's beneath its surface. It is probably why Meredith and Templars are harsher in kirkwall than other parts of Thedas? We constantly hear from Anders and others that Meredith's method are getting brutal, yet talking to her, at least until act 2 and beginning of act 3, provide no such proof. Even Anders admits he perhaps is wrong about Meredith when he learns she categorically rejected Alrik's tranquil solution. We come to know , Meredith's personal tragedy, when her mage sister finally falls to blood magic and slaughters her entire family. Is it probable that the sight of more and more Tranquils in Gallows is only in head of Anders or doing of lunatic/afraid Templars like Alrik? Its not easy to treat mages are mere mortals, They have this immense power at their fingertip. And Power corrupts. On Top of that there are demons preying on mages. The disturbing codex entries on abomination says that whenever a demon encounters a mage it will try to take over the mage, either by force or by trickery. This all makes me wonder if Meredith is right after all? Then comes King Alister, who thinks mages deserve freedom, although his mild opinion might be because he do not know much of Kirkwall. Or Merill who's very compelling arguments "It's magic! Just like any other magic." makes you sympathize with mages. But then she too makes Keeper sacrifice herself and nearly kills her entire clan. Its all so grey, and that is the beauty of this game.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2017 10:04:49 GMT
I like The last straw. The whole weird story's worthy end. This is a depressing story if you watch it from Kirkwall's viewpoint, but if you see that as a rebel mage, this is a new beginning (Bethany, Anders) – true, a bloody new beginning. I am mostly pro-templar. And have hard time hating Meredith.
"I tried to have sympathy! Maker knows, I've tried! But how can we allow them freedom when so many would use it to commit atrocities? They control minds, they become abominations, they began the Blight itself!" Meredith.
Minor spoilers ahead. . . . .
In "Legacy", you stumble upon a codex that provides plausible explanation about relatively high occurrence of blood magic and other lunacies in Kirkwall/Free marches (compared to rest of the Thedas). The imprisonment of Corepheus's beneath its surface. It is probably why Meredith and Templars are harsher in kirkwall than other parts of Thedas? We constantly hear from Anders and others that Meredith's method are getting brutal, yet talking to her, at least until act 2 and beginning of act 3, provide no such proof. Even Anders admits he perhaps is wrong about Meredith when he learns she categorically rejected Alrik's tranquil solution.
We come to know , Meredith's personal tragedy, when her mage sister finally falls to blood magic and slaughters her entire family.
Is it probable that the sight of more and more Tranquils in Gallows is only in head of Anders or doing of lunatic/afraid Templars like Alrik? Its not easy to treat mages are mere mortals, They have this immense power at their fingertip. And Power corrupts. On Top of that there are demons preying on mages. The disturbing codex entries on abomination says that whenever a demon encounters a mage it will try to take over the mage, either by force or by trickery. This all makes me wonder if Meredith is right after all?
Then comes King Alister, who thinks mages deserve freedom, although his mild opinion might be because he do not know much of Kirkwall. Or Merill who's very compelling arguments "It's magic! Just like any other magic." makes you sympathize with mages. But then she too makes Keeper sacrifice herself and nearly kills her entire clan.
Its all so grey, and that is the beauty of this game.
I don't hate Meredith, but Meredith's sister is the victim of the Chantry's Circle system, just as Meredith. When she says, that "she tried to sympathy…", she seems very manipulative, or lunatic – that face! So hypocrite! (The Mages caused the Blight, she says? And: she tries to protect them their own CURSE? – It should have been replaced her a long time ago, she's not suitable, or rather she should not have been appointed. But I think, the Chantry was happy with such a paranoid Templar.) Okay, you can say, that Meredith was mentally ill, so, doesn't responsible for what she did, but then Elthina was... And we know, what happens in the Circle, there are traces: Thrask says, that the people feel sympathy toward the mages (sympathy, not fear?), Elthina says, that she doesn't like Meredith's methods... Meredith knew, that Otto Alrik's idiot (Tranquil solution? Really?), but she did not kick it out him. And even Cullen does not deny, that Meredith cruel, only says, that he agrees with her (Cullen also have PTSD, his mind's not clear). Meredith was so cruel, that the Kirkwall nobles wanted to rebel against her. Nobles, against the Templars for the Mages? Perhaps we didn't saw that how many new Tranquil exists at Gallows, but I think: Karl good enough to know, that Anders doesn't have delusions. Karl was an experienced, mage, and he succeeds his Harrowing. He shouldn't be Tranquil according to the Chantry's own law. Meredith lawbreaker, and incredibly cruel. If she tranquilized Karl, she tranquilized others too. Anders always questioned himself, because he knew, that the mages are dangerous, and saw, what the did. But he knew, that the system is corrupt and unsustainable, and everyone deserves freedom. After Karl's death, he started to cooperate with the Mage Underground, then he was informed. Hawke also: at the Docks, a woman gives quests, to whom niece Tranquilized at Gallows. So Anders was biased, but he clearly saw what was happening. Everything, what he said, obtained testimony, if not at the moment, then later. The Chantry collected dangerous people in one place, in these places, they stressed them, and wonder, that they became even more dangerous... And the blood mages? Thrask's daughter was the victim of the system, just as Meredith's sister, Evelina, Huon and Orsino. This is not gray: the Circle-system is clearly evil in this form, there's no excuse. The imprisonment of innocent people is evil. There's no matter, that they are "dangerous". No need to go to Kirkwall for this information, that the Circles are inhuman: everyone knows, who have Circle Mage origin despite that the Calenhad Tower was one of the best Circles in Southern Thedas. I know about Kirkwall, in fact not only Corypeus was the reason of the crazyness: Kirkwall was a Tevinter city, where for some reasons a few Magister wanted to open the gate to demons, and weakened the Veil. Kirkwall was a Hellmouth... so: inherently unsuitable for a Circle. But the Chantry just saw a pretty good, strong and cheap prison building. So: installed the largest circle in the zone. Suitable or not, nobody cared about it. And again: a GAMER, before the monitor, can be "objective", but Hawke's an apostate, or have an apostate sister (who perhaps a prisoner at Gallows, under the rule of a madwoman). Their whole life was about to escape and hiding. I can't see, how HAWKE can to collaborate with the Templars. We saw: s/he wasn't neutral at the start, s/he shows not too much sympathy toward the Templars: s/he was hostile at Vesley. And even Bethany was very hostile toward the Templars and the Circle in the Act1. Without Stockholm syndrome, how anyone could support a system, what hunted him/her or one of his/her family members. An apostate doesn't have Stockholm syndrome. (True, the IRL history knows such a cases from nazism and communism, how people can collaborate with an unacceptable system – I speak about the victims, not the fanatic believers. People wrote a report on their family member, friends, AND themselves! Very interesting and sad fact... but the brainwashing works.) SO: probably this is my limit, I can't imagine the reason, why Hawke could work with Templars. I thought about how I could justify it, but only Templar Carver was, who gave me an acceptable reason, and only at the end... (Marethari was a benevolent, noble idiot. She jeopardized her clan for Merrill, not for the demons. This wasn't Merrill's fault. )
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Post by HYR on Jul 23, 2017 0:10:33 GMT
I'm going to start chronicling soon(ish), but will head things off with a sort of "prologue" (guess who I named him after!)... I'm debating if I should keep an omnipresent third-person POV or switch to a first-person style once the story is underway. And yes, this thread is mostly just a fan-fiction entry in forum thread clothing.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 23, 2017 0:35:38 GMT
I'm going to start chronicling soon(ish), but will head things off with a sort of "prologue" (guess who I named him after!)... I'm debating if I should keep an omnipresent third-person POV or switch to a first-person style once the story is underway. And yes, this thread is mostly just a fan-fiction entry in forum thread clothing. This is a pretty good start. And this is a good place for it. ( Here's my warrior's story – the pictures gone...)
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Post by HYR on Aug 1, 2017 19:49:32 GMT
I was busy with werk and my cousin's wedding so I've not been playing for the past few days. I just need to get the sound working from my headset's microphone onto the videos otherwise I'm ready to roll both with posting here and recording my plays! Jeremy is currently squatting in the Black Emporium because his facial dimensions are a bit messed up. I will fix that and then I plan to record all gameplay footage from here on out. In the meantime, an update on the rest of the prologue:
Hmmm, I'm thinking this recording exercise might be good practice for when I play ME:A...
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Post by HYR on Aug 4, 2017 22:55:33 GMT
I did a lot of playing/recording last evening. I also have a new YT channel ready to go to post them up. It may take me a little time before the vids are ready to share, since I made them imperfectly with the intent of a little simple editing. In the first few videos I had quite a bit of commentary, but then I mostly shut up after that.
I'll think of how to write my next entry. I mostly just recruited the team and did linear quests, though.
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