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Post by Catilina on Jul 17, 2017 22:32:09 GMT
Why obviously? Hawke never told to anyone that. (At end of the Act2 Meredith heard about it. But at this time, Hawke already popular. And: The whole city full of the Templars. Seems Hawke stay in his/her mansion. Meredith can keep his eyes on Hawke. If not too busy with cuddling of her big red sword...) What is unbelievable is that nobody noticed that. You're a person with high status and someone should've noticed it and ratted you out to Meredith Who? Hawke didn't use magic on Kirkwall public streets, this is obvious. Not mentioned, that who saw him/her using magic, already dead. Of course, later Meredith know this, but at this time Hawke already popular. And: Meredith can keep her eyes on Hawke.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 17, 2017 22:35:17 GMT
What is unbelievable is that nobody noticed that. You're a person with high status and someone should've noticed it and ratted you out to Meredith Who? Hawke didn't use magic on Kirkwall public streets, this is obvious. Not mentioned, that who saw him/her using magic, already dead. Of course, later Meredith know this, but at this time Hawke already popular. And: Meredith can keep her eyes on Hawke. Maybe some curious neighboors who are also Templar syphethysers and who doesn't like Hawke because to quote Aveline "The money Hawke poured in Hightown changed the balance for lots of people." It is just very unlikely for someone of that position remain undetected.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 17, 2017 22:37:11 GMT
Who? Hawke didn't use magic on Kirkwall public streets, this is obvious. Not mentioned, that who saw him/her using magic, already dead. Of course, later Meredith know this, but at this time Hawke already popular. And: Meredith can keep her eyes on Hawke. Maybe some curious neighboors who are also Templar syphethysers and who doesn't like Hawke because to quote Aveline "The money Hawke poured in Hightown changed the balance for lots of people." It is just very unlikely for someone of that position remain undetected. Gascard duPuis...
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Post by tacsear on Jul 17, 2017 22:38:50 GMT
Maybe some curious neighboors who are also Templar syphethysers and who doesn't like Hawke because to quote Aveline "The money Hawke poured in Hightown changed the balance for lots of people." It is just very unlikely for someone of that position remain undetected. Gascard duPuis... Yes he got cought though
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Post by Catilina on Jul 17, 2017 22:42:57 GMT
Emeric was suspicious, but he didn't know that DuPuis is a blood mage, just that he involved in the case of the missing women. Meredith wrote him an apology letter.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 17, 2017 22:49:19 GMT
Emeric was suspicious, but he didn't know that DuPuis is a blood mage, just that he involved in the case of the missing women. Meredith wrote him an apology letter. Shit I thought you were talking about Emile de Launcet, I always mix those French names. Tbh no one took Emeric seriously, it maybe because of that
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Post by Catilina on Jul 17, 2017 23:01:19 GMT
Emeric was suspicious, but he didn't know that DuPuis is a blood mage, just that he involved in the case of the missing women. Meredith wrote him an apology letter. Shit I thought you were talking about Emile de Launcet, I always mix those French names. Tbh no one took Emeric seriously, it maybe because of that Emeric did not seem maniac, so this a pretty proof to Kirkwall Templars' competence. The other proof is Emile de Launcet, thanks for mentioning! He (HE!) was able to escape from the Circle, just as Ella was. So the Templars in Kirkwall were cruel, but not the smartest mob in Thedas, I suppose. Perhaps the lyrium... And again: Hawke's behavior not an ex-slave's/captive's behavior. S/He never was closed. (Ofc, the story full of flaws, this is one of them. This is fun, but I don't care so much.)
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 18, 2017 0:54:43 GMT
Well... the opening sequence is obviously a male mage. I've always gone for a male/female rogue in prior playthroughs, but this time I'm going for a female mage. We'll see!
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Post by mmoblitz on Jul 18, 2017 2:56:52 GMT
loved mage and DW rogue in DA2. I think I have more play-throughs as a mage than rogue. I think mage fits a bit better.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 18, 2017 3:19:00 GMT
I'd tried to make sense of that by headcanoning that Varric was exaggerating how obvious Hawke made their magic, but since DAI isn't a narrative told by Varric I'm forced to conclude that's not a thing. Yeah, I feel like Mage Hawke doesn't work for similar reasons. I tried sort of using the framing device to headcanon the explanation, and it sort of still works (Mage Hawke did not, in the Inquisition runs where I've carried him over, use any particularly flashy spells, at least), but it's still a real streeeeeeeeeetch on my suspension of disbelief. It also would've been easier if cutscenes didn't hide helmets. I could've run around with Hawke in The Apostate's Mask and claim he was Kirkwall Batman or something. Alas, it was impossible to keep him from showing off that impressive masculine jawline when it became story time. Between Rogue and Warrior, it's a little more of an even race, and I like the idea of the three siblings being each of the three classes, but I think Hawke is best suited as a Warrior, ultimately. Part of that's party makeup. I feel like Varric pretty much should always been in the party, and while I could see him and Hawke bonding over Rogue-ish pastimes, I think it works even better if they complement each other, and from a gameplay standpoint, having them as different classes makes it easier to keep the party balanced using the remaining members (although, to be fair, DA2's combat was the least reliant on a "balanced" party). Also, even though he doesn't really get a role in the story if you're playing as a Warrior, I think making Hawke and Carver be the same class just stokes what I know to be true of his complex all the better.
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Post by azuremazey on Jul 18, 2017 4:09:01 GMT
I usually prefer mage or archer in games (for range dps), but I went with the Scoundrel route for Hawke. Duel wielding was really fun and I loved the animations.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 18, 2017 15:16:18 GMT
Personally I like a mage since that's what's in the cinematic. Rogue is cool too though. There are already plenty of available warriors so I don't even bother.
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Post by Sokemis on Aug 13, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
Although I can see the arguments for mage, for me, my canon DW F!Rogue (Aneorea) is the one that just seemed right. I've played the other classes, and although I did enjoy them (Maker did I love throwing Tempest-Firestorm-Chain Lightning at a mob in quick succession lol), those playthroughs just felt off. Maybe it was because in my canon run I had Bethany in the Circle, but it actually felt like Aneorea had even more at stake than my mages. I realize that you can roleplay Hawke any way you wish, but for me she was more concerned with protecting those she cared about than protecting herself. The only reason she played nice(ish) with Meredith was to protect her sister. In Act 3, when Meredith threatened my mage Hawke, she (Hawke) was annoyed. When Meredith threatened Bethany, it took all of Aneorea's control not to end Meredith right there. I very often - almost always had Aneorea and Varric in the party together, and I feel they played well off each other. She had a more flashy-in-your-face style than he did. Varric stayed more on the outskirts of the battle, whereas Hawke was usually more in the middle of things (relying more on her agility to evade blows than her ability to actually take a blow like the warriors did). She drew the enemies attention enough for Varric and Bianca to pick them off from the shadows. Might agree with you though if my rogue had been an archer, but haven't gone that route yet. Also, I would just like to say how much I love the mental image of Mage Hawke running around like the Kirkwall version of Batman. Although, with my love for Purple Hawke, the mental image ended up as some weird, but entertaining, Batman/Deadpool hybrid, lol
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 28, 2017 1:33:30 GMT
Mage is by far the best path...allows for a lot of drama based on your own plight as a character, let's Carver live who I found to be a better character than Bethany, and overall using Magic in the game was damn fun, compared to warrior and rogue to me.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Aug 28, 2017 2:42:41 GMT
I voted for rogue, but I would accept either rogue or warrior. Like many have mentioned, I like using the trifecta approach with the siblings.
I absolutely cannot accept even the option of being able to play as the mage class in this game. It seems like part of the lack of development time included not integrating the mage class properly into the narrative. The first time I played a mage, I think I ended my run during Enemies Among Us. Hawke was throwing spells at abominations alongside Cullen, and later Cullen tells Hawke that "Mages are not people like you and me," or something along those lines. I didn't want to give up though, so I tried a very specific character. I avoided wearing any armor that looked like robes. I avoided any weapons that looked like staves (there are some spear and scythe-like models). I avoided my favorite personality, the red dialogue, because a confrontational Hawke that is also a mage would be identified SO quickly. I thought playing a purple dialogue, buffoonish mage Hawke would help people ignore looking too closely. But I gave up again sometime later in the second act, because a lot of the scripted interactions, or lack of attention, made everything seem off to me. If they ever try a really focused story and character like this again, I hope the studio gets the proper development time to make all of the choices equally viable.
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Post by patrickbateman on Aug 29, 2017 10:00:11 GMT
Mage for me, even though I enjoy DW rogue and 2H warrior more. But since I only play on Nightmare with no mods playing mage gives me access to the Spirit healer tree and then I can firmly bench the most annoying character in video game history - Anders (he was ok in Awakening though).
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Aug 29, 2017 11:47:27 GMT
Lady Mage Hawke(Merrill romance), with Carver joining the Wardens. Ties nicely with Legacy DLC and DAI. Gives a strong reason for Hawke to be looking into why the Wardens are acting strangely.
I know Bioware says there is no canon, but things like Merrill's story in DA2 have more relevance when the Warden in DAO is Dalish. Another is how the Warden/Morrigan romance and god baby plot line adds more depth to Morrigan's character and her relationship with Flemeth in DAI. It also helps explain why Cass and Lelianna couldn't find the Warden since he was with Morrigan raising their son.
I am interested to see which Inquisitor works best for DA4. Right now my bet is on female Lavellen who romanced Solas, since it looks like Solas will be the antagonist.
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Post by numphet on Oct 4, 2017 1:26:15 GMT
I like my Hawkes being mages, since playing as a mage makes the whole story feeling a lot more personal. Also, for me Carver and his relationship with Hawke is much more interesting than anything between Hawke and Bethany. Of course that's only my opinion. Though it's disappointing how Hawke being a mage is not addressed in the game any way on the behalf of the Templars. It feels quite stupid to listen Cullen, who has seen Hawke throwing fireballs around, lecturing how "mages are not people like you and me". Hawke's magic being ignored start to make sense only in later in the game when they become more influential in the city and its politics.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2017 7:49:11 GMT
I like my Hawkes being mages, since playing as a mage makes the whole story feeling a lot more personal. Also, for me Carver and his relationship with Hawke is much more interesting than anything between Hawke and Bethany. Of course that's only my opinion. Though it's disappointing how Hawke being a mage is not addressed in the game any way on the behalf of the Templars. It feels quite stupid to listen Cullen, who has seen Hawke throwing fireballs around, lecturing how "mages are not people like you and me". Hawke's magic being ignored start to make sense only in later in the game when they become more influential in the city and its politics. Why would he see? I always played Hawke as who able to use a knife and his fists to fight... and some hidden, perhaps blood magic skills, for example, mind control, not fireballs on the public streets. Mage Hawke's not unbelievable. As I see, only at the Act 2 finish come out, that Hawke's a mage, but in this times s/he has enough influence.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 4, 2017 23:06:33 GMT
Why would he see? I always played Hawke as who able to use a knife and his fists to fight... and some hidden, perhaps blood magic skills, for example, mind control, not fireballs on the public streets. Mage Hawke's not unbelievable. As I see, only at the Act 2 finish come out, that Hawke's a mage, but in this times s/he has enough influence. That might be your headcanon, but it's not how it happens in the game. Mage Hawke fights with a staff, shooting bolts of various types of energies. S/he can use a melee attack if enemies approach, but will always default to pew-pewi-ing unless you're on PC with a certain mod installed (and even that one's not totally reliable in my experience). Blood Magic involves Hawke performing self-impalement. And Hawke fights abominations together with Cullen in Act 1. While storywise it may be possible to blame the framing device, in-game, there's not a non-flashy way to play Hawke as a Mage.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2017 23:24:05 GMT
Why would he see? I always played Hawke as who able to use a knife and his fists to fight... and some hidden, perhaps blood magic skills, for example, mind control, not fireballs on the public streets. Mage Hawke's not unbelievable. As I see, only at the Act 2 finish come out, that Hawke's a mage, but in this times s/he has enough influence. That might be your headcanon, but it's not how it happens in the game. Mage Hawke fights with a staff, shooting bolts of various types of energies. S/he can use a melee attack if enemies approach, but will always default to pew-pewi-ing unless you're on PC with a certain mod installed (and even that one's not totally reliable in my experience). Blood Magic involves Hawke performing self-impalement. And Hawke fights abominations together with Cullen in Act 1. While storywise it may be possible to blame the framing device, in-game, there's not a non-flashy way to play Hawke as a Mage. Don't mix game mechanics with the story! For example qunari-line, The Hanged Man, before Hawke speaks with that red-head guy about the Grand Cleric's signet and the Templar (Varnell), Hawke beat this bastard. Technically, s/he uses the mages. In the story (movie scene, after the fight), Hawke uses his/her fist. S/He grew up as an apostate. I think s/he know many ways to fight and hiding. OR: The Templars in Kirkwall took very-very much lyrium, and their brain only some disgusting jelly in their head. About the blood magic. Yes, this self-impalement is very-very spectacular.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 5, 2017 0:18:16 GMT
Don't mix game mechanics with the story! That's just arbitrary, though. You can't simply say something didn't happen just because it doesn't fit with your concept. Well, I mean, thanks to DA2's framing device, you kind of can, but it's still ultimately headcanon, and not grounded in how it's portrayed.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2017 0:57:03 GMT
Don't mix game mechanics with the story! That's just arbitrary, though. You can't simply say something didn't happen just because it doesn't fit with your concept. Well, I mean, thanks to DA2's framing device, you kind of can, but it's still ultimately headcanon, and not grounded in how it's portrayed. Okay, if you think, that they ignited the Hanged Man to interrogate a drunk, because that seems real, according to the game mechanic... But you're right, the game has many flaws, one of them that Hawke doesn't have some martial/knife/sword skill, OR polearm (what can be the staff, with its blade). I don't mind. The game lets me imagine, what happened and why. You think, that Hawke always carries a big staff on his/her back when go to the Hanged man to be drunk, or to the vendor to buy some stuff. I don't think that. I think, that for a good little pub-fight is enough the fist... or maybe knife can be useful, and for purchase at the vendor, enough stuffed purse – if don't want to ignite the shop... BUT: the staff only amplify the magic, don't need for it – game mechanic)
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Post by numphet on Oct 6, 2017 18:47:28 GMT
Of course every individual player can use their own imagination to explain certain inconsistencies in the game. I, for example, like to think that mage Hawke definitely carries their staff with them because even while there is lot of Templars in Kirkwall, they can't possibly be everywhere at the same time. So carrying a staff for self-defense is like... gambling to them. But that's just what I like to think. Previously I had a mod installed that made all weapons hidden, but in the long run I didn't like the idea of weapons just appearing into their hands in combat, so I uninstalled the mod. It's just that I would have liked if Hawke being a mage and an apostate would have been addressed more often in-game. If I remember correctly, Meredith mentions it once, but that's likely all off it. I can see why it is so, but sometimes it's a little frustrating. Imagination helps a lot here though.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 6, 2017 21:46:38 GMT
Of course every individual player can use their own imagination to explain certain inconsistencies in the game. I, for example, like to think that mage Hawke definitely carries their staff with them because even while there is lot of Templars in Kirkwall, they can't possibly be everywhere at the same time. So carrying a staff for self-defense is like... gambling to them. But that's just what I like to think. Previously I had a mod installed that made all weapons hidden, but in the long run I didn't like the idea of weapons just appearing into their hands in combat, so I uninstalled the mod. It's just that I would have liked if Hawke being a mage and an apostate would have been addressed more often in-game. If I remember correctly, Meredith mentions it once, but that's likely off it. I can see why it is so, but sometimes it's a little frustrating. Imagination helps a lot here though. She says that during the qunari war when Hawke meets with her first. But at the moment Hawke has enough influence at the Viscount for example, and while the Viscount is nothing in the eyes of Meredith, she sees his/her usefulness. If Carver's a Templar, she even has a hostage. If not, no problem, Hawke's a(n im)famous noble, Meredith can keep an eye on him/her (at least she thinks, I suppose she's paranoid, but very overconfident). (My explanation.)
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