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Post by Serza on Jan 27, 2018 12:57:05 GMT
I understand that it fits the era. But sometimes historical needs to bend to appeal to a broader base of players. I played Geralt and his definite penis waggling only because everyone said the series was unmissable. I'll see how this gets reviewed when it comes out, see if it ends up being another unmissable series, but a non female protaganist(or option) is a big nope from me. Initially, they were talking about an intro with a female character, not a sword wielding heroine but someone tied to the PC. A very cool idea but it got cut. As for a woman being a knight in this game, I have to go with the devs - It's antithetical to what they're doing. It's basically an RPG/medieval sim. A female PC doesn't make sense. Think there is something that they might make a female PC eventually, but in an entirely different story that ties into Henry's. I for one would not be opposed to a female PC in a realistic medieval game, but I don't think it would work as ME or DA would. The changes would have to be far too significant to accomodate in that single story. But as I have already said, if they make a story that suits the female lead, and her position in medieval Bohemia, then I'm more than alright with it. If done correctly, it can show that women can be strong without becoming feminist propaganda.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 14:14:43 GMT
I would play someone like Brienne of Tarth any day over a peasant boy whose village was burned so he became a knight, woot! And, frigging yes, I want her to wield a sword. Note, Brienne of Tarth, whose neck is thicker than Jaime's thigh, not some willowy waif that hefts a two-hander with ease.
Protagonist is by definition an exceptional character, so we are not talking about marching a 5 thousand strong amazon unit into battle.
Despite being uncommon, women did show up in the medieval accounts in the roles as battle commanders, one on one inspirational skirmishes with men and, yes, even as fighters.
They are already not doing a game about an average knight, bringing in a cliched peasant boy who lost everything. Bringing in a minor noblewoman that was born with a touch more testosterone than the rest of them, and was forced by circumstance to fight for her lands is perfectly in-setting.
Doesn't matter. Their game, they can do what they want.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 27, 2018 14:55:18 GMT
I understand that it fits the era. But sometimes historical needs to bend to appeal to a broader base of players. I played Geralt and his definite penis waggling only because everyone said the series was unmissable. I'll see how this gets reviewed when it comes out, see if it ends up being another unmissable series, but a non female protaganist(or option) is a big nope from me. Initially, they were talking about an intro with a female character, not a sword wielding heroine but someone tied to the PC. A very cool idea but it got cut. As for a woman being a knight in this game, I have to go with the devs - It's antithetical to what they're doing. It's basically an RPG/medieval sim. A female PC doesn't make sense. It is a good idea. There're records of noble ladies close to the game's time period who took command on behalf of a husband or a father, to defend a stronghold or answer a challenge. The latter dressed as a knight and defeated her father's challenger in a mounted duel. Probably jousting which is not an easy thing to do. However, they succeeded because they were noble born. Noble born women had access to reading, writing and other privileges (horse riding) the peasants wouldn't have. That is not to say a peasant woman is incapable, it's just that her options are nil when it comes to military matters. For such a char to work, she would have to operate behind the front lines, working from a lowly status to a higher status so as to get the confidence of a noble woman. Maybe it's too time consuming / complicated they didn't want to do it. I'm not sure how the peasant boy would work. His path is even harder than those who're noble born. Depending on his age, he wouldn't even get any sort of training until he's in his teens. Until then, he would be put to manual labor if he's accepted. Once he gets the training, he would have to get seasoned as a soldier, he would have to perform well as to get attention. If he intends to be a knight, all the more he has to do very well to get the patronage. Being a knight is not easy, it's also mighty expensive. I supposed the game will wave a magic wand; abracadabra! Boy gets accepted readily and becomes a warrior in the blink of an eye.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2018 20:00:10 GMT
If I recall correctly, they said that while this game won't have a female protagonist since this one is the story of Henry, they haven't written off the idea of having a game where there is one since there was the very rare female warrior in medieval times. "A diamond in the ruff" I believe was the term they used to describe those women.
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Post by Serza on Feb 1, 2018 19:24:28 GMT
Pánové, musím Vám ve vší serióznosti říci, že tahleta naše země je ve sračkách. Kurva velkých sračkách.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 21:02:14 GMT
If I recall correctly, they said that while this game won't have a female protagonist since this one is the story of Henry, they haven't written off the idea of having a game where there is one since there was the very rare female warrior in medieval times. "A diamond in the ruff" I believe was the term they used to describe those women. Should just do the obvious and give them leather bikinis
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 1, 2018 21:41:27 GMT
I would play someone like Brienne of Tarth any day over a peasant boy whose village was burned so he became a knight, woot! And, frigging yes, I want her to wield a sword. Note, Brienne of Tarth, whose neck is thicker than Jaime's thigh, not some willowy waif that hefts a two-hander with ease. Protagonist is by definition an exceptional character, so we are not talking about marching a 5 thousand strong amazon unit into battle. Despite being uncommon, women did show up in the medieval accounts in the roles as battle commanders, one on one inspirational skirmishes with men and, yes, even as fighters. They are already not doing a game about an average knight, bringing in a cliched peasant boy who lost everything. Bringing in a minor noblewoman that was born with a touch more testosterone than the rest of them, and was forced by circumstance to fight for her lands is perfectly in-setting. Doesn't matter. Their game, they can do what they want. This is actually a very good argument. The story of the peasant boy who becomes a knight is super cliche as it is. They could have gone one further and added one more medieval cliche of the woman that pretends to be a man in order to become a knight. You know, you can choose to play a male or a female protag but as female, after the burning of the village, you disguise yourself as a man in order to get your revenge. That way, they wouldn't even have to double record most dialogues (as most of the NPCs would talk to you like a man anyway). Just put in some seperate special responses and scenes for a female protagonist and you are done. But as you say, their game, their choice of what to do with it.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 1, 2018 21:52:27 GMT
I understand that it fits the era. But sometimes historical needs to bend to appeal to a broader base of players. I played Geralt and his definite penis waggling only because everyone said the series was unmissable. I'll see how this gets reviewed when it comes out, see if it ends up being another unmissable series, but a non female protaganist(or option) is a big nope from me. Initially, they were talking about an intro with a female character, not a sword wielding heroine but someone tied to the PC. A very cool idea but it got cut. As for a woman being a knight in this game, I have to go with the devs - It's antithetical to what they're doing. It's basically an RPG/medieval sim. A female PC doesn't make sense. It worked in Mount and Blade, you just had your work cut out for you if you went down that path.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 9:03:53 GMT
If I recall correctly, they said that while this game won't have a female protagonist since this one is the story of Henry, they haven't written off the idea of having a game where there is one since there was the very rare female warrior in medieval times. "A diamond in the ruff" I believe was the term they used to describe those women. Should just do the obvious and give them leather bikinis I want a naked wimminz on my sword hilt.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Feb 2, 2018 19:01:54 GMT
Could be great, could be absolute puss, got my eye on it but it could go either way, the combat doesn't look particularly appealing but can't really say until I have tried it. If I recall correctly, they said that while this game won't have a female protagonist since this one is the story of Henry. Thing is Henry looks about as interesting as dirt, the sort of bland inoffensive everyman type character that players can sort of inject their own personality onto while still being a pre-defined character, while this is of course their game and this is the direction they decided to go with it I can't really fault those who wish there was a custom protagonist and choice of gender.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 21:48:42 GMT
Very sceptical about this. I expect middling reviews.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 10:16:44 GMT
Could be great, could be absolute puss, got my eye on it but it could go either way, the combat doesn't look particularly appealing but can't really say until I have tried it. If I recall correctly, they said that while this game won't have a female protagonist since this one is the story of Henry. Thing is Henry looks about as interesting as dirt, the sort of bland inoffensive everyman type character that players can sort of inject their own personality onto while still being a pre-defined character, while this is of course their game and this is the direction they decided to go with it I can't really fault those who wish there was a custom protagonist and choice of gender. I love creating my own character, but there's a lack of those games outside of the isometric classic RPGs and in my experience, the execution of a story-driven open world 3D game can fall pretty flat. For instance, I wasn't a fan of the inquisitor which was mostly defined by customizing their looks in the beginning, weapon-class and then who they romanced, if they did so. I actually preferred the less blank slate, Hawke. But on the flipside of that, MEA took a leaf out of DA2's book in regard to CC and that also fell flat for me. I have a feeling the protag in this game won't be the shining point.
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Post by heathenoxman on Feb 4, 2018 14:41:57 GMT
If I recall correctly, they said that while this game won't have a female protagonist since this one is the story of Henry, they haven't written off the idea of having a game where there is one since there was the very rare female warrior in medieval times. "A diamond in the ruff" I believe was the term they used to describe those women. From what I've heard, at one point, you actually do get to play as a female and save the protagonist. It's supposed to be a bit like how we got to play Ciri in TW3.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 4, 2018 19:46:48 GMT
There seems to be an impressive degree of openness and reactivity. These videos got me pretty excited. This could be a game where you have fun trying to 'break' the systems to see what can happen.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 5, 2018 4:49:11 GMT
Oh that's refreshing and very good; failing to follow orders and completely mucking up a quest just because oh I want to go exploring. That's a plus and I'm liking what I see in the vids. He didn't say anything about the save game features so I hope it isn't just a auto-save at certain points. Game is about a week away from launch. If it's as good as it presents itself, I guess we have another contender to dump Bioware on their backside in the RPG genre.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 8:49:59 GMT
But on the flipside of that, MEA took a leaf out of DA2's book in regard to CC and that also fell flat for me. I don't think Ryder was the equivalent of Hawke when it comes to blank-slate Vs. defined. Ryder was fairly similar to Shepard IMO. But yes, Hawke was my favorite as well, which is ironic because I'd say that DA2 is the game that started the Bioware trend of "great potential, poor execution". Well I draw the comparison based off of the fact that you have a sibling and have no control over their past, as opposed to Shepard and the Grey Warden. Where dialogue was concerned it was more like Shep or even the inquisitor. DA2 was bad in terms of having too much repetition. It was the dialogue and the companions that made it my favourite game in that series, plus I liked the combat even if it was repetitive. All that game needed was a polish and less repetitive areas imo.
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Post by Serza on Feb 5, 2018 9:58:02 GMT
Oh that's refreshing and very good; failing to follow orders and completely mucking up a quest just because oh I want to go exploring. That's a plus and I'm liking what I see in the vids. He didn't say anything about the save game features so I hope it isn't just a auto-save at certain points. Game is about a week away from launch. If it's as good as it presents itself, I guess we have another contender to dump Bioware on their backside in the RPG genre. You either save by sleeping, or, if you want quick saves, drinking special alcohol. Intended to represent how Henry has a swig for bravery, and supposedly accompanied by slight effects of alcohol and potentially hangover.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 5, 2018 11:24:40 GMT
Is it out, yet?
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Post by Serza on Feb 5, 2018 11:56:46 GMT
Give it eight days. Or thereabouts...
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Post by smilesja on Feb 5, 2018 18:20:05 GMT
I do like how many quests seem to have cutscenes.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 5, 2018 18:52:45 GMT
Lol. Lots of bodily related achievements there.
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Post by Serza on Feb 5, 2018 18:57:52 GMT
Bodily related as in...
There's SOME sort of romance?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 5, 2018 19:23:29 GMT
Bodily related as in... There's SOME sort of romance? At least two, according to the achievements. And that's probably not counting minor romances/flings. Then the achievement for not having sex with anyone.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 5, 2018 19:50:11 GMT
Bodily related as in... There's SOME sort of romance? At least two, according to the achievements. And that's probably not counting minor romances/flings. Then the achievement for not having sex with anyone. Sounds like Alpha Protocol.
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