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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 30, 2017 20:04:05 GMT
Poor Mike Laidlaw cannot seem to be able to get the message across that the Hero of Fereldan is not coming back, as this topic was already a 'dead horse' meme of legend on BSN Prime, what is it about the Hero of Ferelden that makes them so irresistible as a 'bring back the HoF request? Mike Laidlaw ✔ @mike_LaidlawThe HoF will not be appearing in future DA products. 4:49 AM - Jul 26, 2017
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 30, 2017 20:08:20 GMT
I think it's because the Hero was the first protagonist of the franchise. Also, many fans think that DAO was the best game in the series, and the Warden was the main character of that game.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jul 30, 2017 20:20:13 GMT
Poor Mike Laidlaw cannot seem to be able to get the message across that the Hero of Fereldan is not coming back, as this topic was already a 'dead horse' meme of legend on BSN Prime, what is it about the Hero of Ferelden that makes them so irresistible as a 'bring back the HoF request? Mike Laidlaw ✔ @mike_LaidlawThe HoF will not be appearing in future DA products. 4:49 AM - Jul 26, 2017
I don't think that's problem. It's not really a case of people not understanding him, it's more of a case of people not willing to accept this decision. And you know... it's the usual "maybe if we put enough preassure, they will change their minds". And I can only speak for my perspective, but the HoF became kind of a legendary figure in the dragon age series, kind of like Commander Shepard, so people just can't help it but have this urge to want to see this iconic character again. I know that not seeing the HoF again after the whole curing the calling thing left me pretty bitter.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 30, 2017 20:25:31 GMT
Many reasons, I think, that sometimes differ from person to person. One reason would be attachment: there are many who are attached to their Warden and so would like to see them again in some way or another.
Personally, I love my Wardens but I would not want to see them again because for that to happen, it'll be more than likely mean that all of the living Wardens' endings would have to convene into the same story regardless of the individual Warden's characterization. It wouldn't make sense for my canon Warden to become involved with, say, the Grey Wardens again. I could deal with the search for the cure but I don't want to deal with anymore of this. That's why I'd rather the Warden's post-Origin existence be left for the individual player's mind.
It's the same with my Hawkes.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 30, 2017 20:25:33 GMT
It's hard enough getting BioWare to say anything definitive. When they do, I'm taking it as a final answer...
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 30, 2017 20:27:14 GMT
Dead hero, Orlesian Warden-Commander killed the Architect and Mother, Bodahn, Dagna and Leliana are sad. Wouldn't trade it for the world.
Bring back Hawke, though. I love that guy/girl!
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Post by jaison1986 on Jul 30, 2017 20:34:09 GMT
Well, I for one would just have them hire Hale and Mark Meer for the voice acting job As for their personality, just give them a stern leader like attitude. The HoF saw a lot of shit after all. And as for story involvment, that's the easier part. Just have them go to the wardens for an update on their journey to cure the calling. I think it's pretty obvious the warden "civil war" will be a major plotline in DA4. And if the hero died, just replace them with the orlesian warden. Less impressive, but at least good enough to fill the blank.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 30, 2017 20:38:37 GMT
Dead hero, Orlesian Warden-Commander killed the Architect and Mother, Bodahn, Dagna and Leliana are sad. Wouldn't trade it for the world. Bring back Hawke, though. I love that guy/girl! Once they were brought Hawke back. Or some disappointed bitter imposter, who whined about blood magic and some responsibility, not my crazy-happy freedom fighter. Probably he ate my Hawke... poor guy. (True, he had some good moments too.)
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 30, 2017 20:42:04 GMT
I think there is an argument to be made about forbidden fruit being sweeter. I feel many people want it so bad due at least in part, because of Bioware's adamant insistence that the HoF is done.
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Post by Wulfram on Jul 30, 2017 20:45:37 GMT
The Warden's voicelessness allows people to project more of themselves on the character, and thus creates a greater attachment.
Also Bioware haven't really been great at leaving the Warden in a place that feels like an ending. I mean, DA:O itself was actually OK as an ending for most wardens (Morrimancers had unfinished business, but otherwise things were pretty resolved), but then DA:A's epilogues made things more up in the air, then DA2 dropped the "disappeared" bomb, then DAI had them on an important and unresolved quest. Trespasser does effectively give an ending to Lelimancers, but not really for others.
edit: They should really stick in a codex entry in the next game that boils down to "The Hero of Fereldan and [Love Interest] lived happily ever after. The End." Though admittedly that gets more complicated if they still want to do stuff with the LI, which they probably do with Morrigan at least.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 30, 2017 21:02:42 GMT
Poor Mike Laidlaw cannot seem to be able to get the message across that the Hero of Fereldan is not coming back, as this topic was already a 'dead horse' meme of legend on BSN Prime, what is it about the Hero of Ferelden that makes them so irresistible as a 'bring back the HoF request? Mike Laidlaw ✔ @mike_LaidlawThe HoF will not be appearing in future DA products. 4:49 AM - Jul 26, 2017
Good. One adventure, one protagonist, I say.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 30, 2017 21:05:33 GMT
The Warden's voicelessness allows people to project more of themselves on the character, and thus creates a greater attachment. Also Bioware haven't really been great at leaving the Warden in a place that feels like an ending. I mean, DA:O itself was actually OK as an ending for most wardens (Morrimancers had unfinished business, but otherwise things were pretty resolved), but then DA:A's epilogues made things more up in the air, then DA2 dropped the "disappeared" bomb, then DAI had them on an important and unresolved quest. Trespasser does effectively give an ending to Lelimancers, but not really for others. edit: They should really stick in a codex entry in the next game that boils down to "The Hero of Fereldan and [Love Interest] lived happily ever after. The End." Though admittedly that gets more complicated if they still want to do stuff with the LI, which they probably do with Morrigan at least. DAO was originally supposed to get two years of support and DLC, so we may have gotten more DLC as a result that may have explained the disappearance. But that got scrapped in favor of DA2. I say if we want the further adventures of the Warden explored, we should use our own imaginations. Then if our HoF gets "ruined" we have no one but ourselves to blame.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 30, 2017 21:08:31 GMT
Good. One adventure, one protagonist, I say. You know, I think that would also give the developers the option to have the once-protagonist have multiple endings like the Warden did. The once-protagonist is going to be Serah Not Appearing in future parts of the series so it could add some nice choices even if not all of said choices would appear on-screen. It does not need to be significant endings that would create issues like the Wardens Queen or King ending. It could be nice to even have a sacrifice ending if it suited the player's character. Emphasis on sacrifice, not sacrificed. Choice matter.
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Post by Verfallen on Jul 30, 2017 21:14:59 GMT
I, for one, am perfectly content with the HoF never coming back. Mike Laidlaw also expanded on the reasons behind the decision recently:
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Post by Iakus on Jul 30, 2017 21:26:54 GMT
Good. One adventure, one protagonist, I say. You know, I think that would also give the developers the option to have the once-protagonist have multiple endings like the Warden did. The once-protagonist is going to be Serah Not Appearing in future parts of the series so it could add some nice choices even if not all of said choices would appear on-screen. It does not need to be significant endings that would create issues like the Wardens Queen or King ending. It could be nice to even have a sacrifice ending if it suited the player's character. Emphasis on sacrifice, not sacrificed. Choice matter. Exactly. Forget nation-spanning changes. Give us divergent fates for our characters and let them live out their own lives afterwards. Less baggage for everyone going forward. Heck that was the problem with Dragon Age 2, too little control over Hawke's personal life. You couldn't even decorate his house!
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Post by tacsear on Jul 30, 2017 21:35:48 GMT
It is perfectly understandable, I for one would have very high expectations if they ever did bring HoF back. Clancy Brown being the voice actor would be the first one. It is impossible to do justice to the Warden
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 30, 2017 21:38:54 GMT
As for their personality, just give them a stern leader like attitude. The HoF saw a lot of shit after all. My shambling garbage fire of a HoF might have a problem with that. He didn't get to where he was through leadership abilities. He got there by stumbling dick-first into situations only marginally better than outright defeat. Also by striking ill-advised bargains with just about every evil on the continent. When the archemon landed, he had to send Oghren and Dog to defend the castle. He didn't even have enough people for two full parties. In my canon worldstate, anyone who thinks "ah, let's ring up the Hero of Ferelden, he can help fix this" is a moron.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 30, 2017 21:54:41 GMT
My shambling garbage fire of a HoF might have a problem with that. He didn't get to where he was through leadership abilities. He got there by stumbling dick-first into situations only marginally better than outright defeat. Also by striking ill-advised bargains with just about every evil on the continent. When the archemon landed, he had to send Oghren and Dog to defend the castle. He didn't even have enough people for two full parties. In my canon worldstate, anyone who thinks "ah, let's ring up the Hero of Ferelden, he can help fix this" is a moron. Warden arrives dressed like a chantry sister because he still has to lie low and sneak past borders after the last time someone asked him to help with something important.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 30, 2017 22:46:36 GMT
My shambling garbage fire of a HoF might have a problem with that. He didn't get to where he was through leadership abilities. He got there by stumbling dick-first into situations only marginally better than outright defeat. Also by striking ill-advised bargains with just about every evil on the continent. When the archemon landed, he had to send Oghren and Dog to defend the castle. He didn't even have enough people for two full parties. In my canon worldstate, anyone who thinks "ah, let's ring up the Hero of Ferelden, he can help fix this" is a moron. Warden arrives dressed like a chantry sister because he still has to lie low and sneak past borders after the last time someone asked him to help with something important. Hey, if they asked him for help, they deserved whatever they got. Even my canon Hawke would be a safer choice. And she killed her own sister in the Gallows, so that's saying something.
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Post by Cantina on Jul 30, 2017 23:07:44 GMT
I think the reason why people want the HoF to return is because Bioware keeps stringing those people along and then turns around and says, "They are not returning."
If the Hero's story is in fact done, then why the hell is he/she on some random mission to cure the Blight. Their story does not sound done to me.
I really do not care about the Hero not making a reappearance. But Bioware needs to get it together and understand what the word, "Done" means.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 30, 2017 23:09:07 GMT
DAO is my favorite
At this point I don't want the hero to return.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 31, 2017 0:20:30 GMT
For me, they never ended their story. Sure, you can choose to kill your Warden (I may just do that in future playthroughs) off, but I'm not going to waste hrs upon hrs of gameplay if (that's the key word here) there is a way to keep them alive. It's the how they choose to end DAO thats part of it too. The king or queen ending: how is that not tearing Ferelden apart? "Missing" their King or Queen? Also, there a possible love interest to possible Divine? It's not like HOF rode off into the sunset or anything like that.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 31, 2017 0:39:13 GMT
For me, they never ended their story. Sure, you can choose to kill your Warden (I may just do that in future playthroughs) off, but I'm not going to waste hrs upon hrs of gameplay if (that's the key word here) there is a way to keep them alive. It's the how they choose to end DAO thats part of it too. The king or queen ending: how is that not tearing Ferelden apart? "Missing" their King or Queen? Also, there a possible love interest to possible Divine? It's not like HOF rode off into the sunset or anything like that.And why not? Riding is good, the sunset is good! Together are wonderful!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 0:45:57 GMT
I use to point and laugh at all the people who couldn't get over the Warden not returning. Then DAI came out and all I keep hoping for is that I can play my Inquisitor in the next game...now people laugh at me. True story.
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Post by cmoe on Jul 31, 2017 1:40:51 GMT
I think the reason why people want the HoF to return is because Bioware keeps stringing those people along and then turns around and says, "They are not returning." If the Hero's story is in fact done, then why the hell is he/she on some random mission to cure the Blight. Their story does not sound done to me. I really do not care about the Hero not making a reappearance. But Bioware needs to get it together and understand what the word, "Done" means. I'm guessing they felt they had to send the HOF far away for it to make sense they wouldn't be there helping or involved in some way when a whole in the sky is threatening all of Thedas. But I can understand this frustration.
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