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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 22, 2017 16:13:25 GMT
but Anthem is like crack. For addicts. Escapism to the extreme. Numb life by having chores and targets in an alternate universe. These people are always looking for their next fix. EA will drain their wallets. Pretty much describes my own addiction to ME and DA, lol. This has been said many times before, but worth repeating: One of the core attractions of loot-shooters is that you can drop in for 15 minutes to kill some time and enjoy it just as much as a 4 hour marathon. This type of game is very forgiving of your time. This, plus the Skinner Box reward system, is why it's so addicting. Story gaming is great, but it requires a much larger time investment per session. While I think most gamers would enjoy a good story, most gamers also can't afford the time. So instead they get their story fix from GoT or TWD on TV, which only demands 1 hour a week.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 22, 2017 16:50:33 GMT
PapaCharlie9 1 TV hour per week, 6 internet days posting spicy memes. Good point about the 15min thing though. It's gamebling at its finest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 17:05:52 GMT
I've looked at Lawbreaker, but as a newcomer in that market I was immediately turned off that such an incredibly visually stimulating game is an FPS. Why on the gods green earth I want the awesome looking char with an awesome gun hopping around stuff in an awesome way... if I can't see him?
Destiny? Well, it's Destiny 2, so I will be immediately a noob for life b/c I have never heard let alone tried Destiny 1. I have no idea what's the difference is with Division. I also had a hard time even sorting out Battlefront from Titanfall from Battle something else.
Overwatch... I am just too old to play cartoon characters.
So, Anthem is distinctive enough, it's 3rd person, and it's a getaway to that nebulous genre I have no idea about and I am too afraid to explore with the existing games. Maybe the Anthem will be of interest to complete virgins like me, and folks who are too late to board Destiny train? But how many are out there?
Anyway, I don't even know if I would play Anthem...
I don't envy their marketing department though. It does seem tough?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 22, 2017 19:47:00 GMT
Here's a related question: will releasing any kind of DLC for MEA help or hurt Anthem, in terms of public opinion? Is there a sweet spot that is at least X months from Anthem's release, and no closer, where a MEA DLC release could head-off any boycott? And might even encourage more people to buy Anthem? And what kind of DLC? A DLC release with serious SP content could backfire, if it fails to meet expectations. The Citadel DLC, which I thought was brilliant, spectacularly failed to mitigate the pitchforks and torches over the original ME3 ending. People are still salty about that to this day. A gear and looks DLC release might even be worse than a poorly execute SP content release, seeming to be a money grab for people desperate to save the quarians. It's not even clear whether a completely free DLC release, of either type, would be a sufficient olive branch. Maybe multiple free DLC releases ... Given the potential blowback, I wonder if there might be something to those complaining about Anthem undermining MEA DLC effort. It's may not just be a matter of limited resources. I might be PR damage-control to shelter Anthem. It's worth pointing out that there is some evidence now to suggest SP DLC was never in the cards for MEA... www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246542488&postcount=549Alpha PhoenixI know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place.Jason SchreierThis is what I have heard as well.
I'm not sure single-player DLC has been profitable for many game companies in recent years, which is why you're seeing publishers trend toward standalone expansions like Uncharted Lost Legacy and Dishonored: Death of the Outsider. Although I suspect any talk of DLC or standalone expansions are largely moot in BW's case as the Montreal studio is now gone and they seem to have their hands full with what they have already... Even if they did put out some extra content, I can't see some immense amount of goodwill suddenly pouring out towards Anthem in response that would genuinely impact their sales. Though in the same token, I don't foresee the numbers genuinely boycotting Anthem to be large enough to impact them in any significant way anyway. And if Anthem and DA4 wind up being commercial failures, BioWare as studio would very likely be in jeopardy, so in the end it's self-defeating. Well Naughty Dog isn't a fair example because they rarely do dlc. It's only true dlc was The Last of Us: Left Behind and from an Uncharted perspective Lost Legacy is more or less a new game and the studio pretty much confirmed they'll be doing more in the future. Going to the original question, no because enough time will have passed before any significant news drops on the game (and different audience for that matter) which would be E3 next year. In hindsight, I think it makes sense on why Anthem was not going to (or DA4 for that matter) was going to show up at Gamescom because of the inevitable flak from no MEA dlc.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 22, 2017 23:37:33 GMT
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Marketing will only start in 2018 for Anthem.
This year is all about upcoming 2017 games... sport titles like FIFA - Madden and Battlefront - Battlefield games... mobile game ... none of which interests me.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 23, 2017 3:54:33 GMT
I've looked at Lawbreaker, but as a newcomer in that market I was immediately turned off that such an incredibly visually stimulating game is an FPS. Why on the gods green earth I want the awesome looking char with an awesome gun hopping around stuff in an awesome way... if I can't see him? Destiny? Well, it's Destiny 2, so I will be immediately a noob for life b/c I have never heard let alone tried Destiny 1. I have no idea what's the difference is with Division. I also had a hard time even sorting out Battlefront from Titanfall from Battle something else. Overwatch... I am just too old to play cartoon characters. So, Anthem is distinctive enough, it's 3rd person, and it's a getaway to that nebulous genre I have no idea about and I am too afraid to explore with the existing games. Maybe the Anthem will be of interest to complete virgins like me, and folks who are too late to board Destiny train? But how many are out there? Anyway, I don't even know if I would play Anthem... I don't envy their marketing department though. It does seem tough?BW's marketing will have a tough job shedding Anthem's "Destiny clone" image. That's a common perception in the Anthem community. I think their silence is hurting them a bit because it lets speculation and comparisons to Destiny become the topic of discussion.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 23, 2017 5:53:47 GMT
Snip I don't envy their marketing department though. It does seem tough?BW's marketing will have a tough job shedding Anthem's "Destiny clone" image. That's a common perception in the Anthem community. I think their silence is hurting them a bit because it lets speculation and comparisons to Destiny become the topic of discussion. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Hm... depends, I think. Bio's target audience may be new gamers. Perhaps, Bio + EA is attempting to compete in other genre... like Destiny + The Division. Throw in some story telling + a combo of fps + 3rd person combat to distinguish their product from the masses and they may have a winner. Remember, there is a large market for games like those two above. Marketing this product will be tricky but I can't see it as a disaster. It's a new IP. That gives them lots of room to test the waters before the main blitz. As to silence... I believe Bio is following past protocols..... announce a new game well ahead of launch and give the floor to the current game roster for the year.
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Post by laudable11 on Aug 23, 2017 10:26:05 GMT
I think this game is in trouble, just like ME:A was. They're not even confident enough to show anything at gamescom.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 23, 2017 10:53:02 GMT
I'm disappointed about MEA, but it has nothing to do with Anthem.
I don't think the abandonment of MEA will actually affect most gamer's decision to play/not play Anthem, though I can't help but wonder if it will affect pre-orders...
There are a couple of people on here who will ignore it out of spite but I think for most people it will simply depend on if they like that type of game. Because we are gamers and we, you know, game.
That said, if Anthem crashes it might be the end of Bioware...
I'm not a MP gamer so I'll only play it if the SP is good.
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 23, 2017 11:18:01 GMT
I think this game is in trouble, just like ME:A was. They're not even confident enough to show anything at gamescom. This game is over a year out, they likely have little to show that is in a sufficiently polished state.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 12:08:45 GMT
I'm disappointed about MEA, but it has nothing to do with Anthem. I don't think the abandonment of MEA will actually affect most gamer's decision to play/not play Anthem, though I can't help but wonder if it will affect pre-orders... There are a couple of people on here who will ignore it out of spite but I think for most people it will simply depend on if they like that type of game. Because we are gamers and we, you know, game. That said, if Anthem crashes it might be the end of Bioware... I'm not a MP gamer so I'll only play it if the SP is good. Here, here! I truly hope that all players, new or old, Destiny or Bio by background will leave spite out of it. I am sure they will will release more information, but in the end, I will be relying on videos of the gameplay right after the game is already released. Not review, just actual vids, no commentary.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 23, 2017 12:10:09 GMT
I'm disappointed about MEA, but it has nothing to do with Anthem. I don't think the abandonment of MEA will actually affect most gamer's decision to play/not play Anthem, though I can't help but wonder if it will affect pre-orders... There are a couple of people on here who will ignore it out of spite but I think for most people it will simply depend on if they like that type of game. Because we are gamers and we, you know, game. That said, if Anthem crashes it might be the end of Bioware... I'm not a MP gamer so I'll only play it if the SP is good. Here, here! I truly hope that all players, new or old, Destiny or Bio by background will leave spite out of it. I am sure they will will release more information, but in the end, I will be relying on videos of the gameplay right after the game is already released. Not review, just actual vids, no commentary. Me too, I like to see what games are like, not what other people think they are like.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 23, 2017 13:28:43 GMT
I think this game is in trouble, just like ME:A was. They're not even confident enough to show anything at gamescom. The game's more than a year out. I'd be surprised if there's much more significant before 2018.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 23, 2017 14:16:16 GMT
I think this game is in trouble, just like ME:A was. They're not even confident enough to show anything at gamescom. Anthem at least had a gameplay showing off years before release, better than Andromedas "behind the scenes" crap with developers just talking about pictures and such.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 23, 2017 16:00:07 GMT
BW's marketing will have a tough job shedding Anthem's "Destiny clone" image. That's a common perception in the Anthem community. I think their silence is hurting them a bit because it lets speculation and comparisons to Destiny become the topic of discussion. Not sure how it's hurting? The similarity to Destiny appears to be helping hype the game, as far as I can tell. Reddit's Anthem sub is filled with Destiny fans enthusing over Anthem. The point made earlier may be a problem, though. If Destiny 2 and Anthem overlap by too much, Destiny 2 will lock up all of that market. Ideally, Anthem will drop right when Destiny fans have sated themselves on D2 and are ready for something new.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 23, 2017 16:01:59 GMT
I think this game is in trouble, just like ME:A was. They're not even confident enough to show anything at gamescom. This game is over a year out, they likely have little to show that is in a sufficiently polished state. Plus, you don't hype good news in the middle of a PR downturn. They'll want some distance from the MEA fallout before they start spending marketing dollars in earnest. They know what ME fans are like. Any positive statement about Anthem now will generate rage over the fate of MEA SP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 16:20:03 GMT
BW's marketing will have a tough job shedding Anthem's "Destiny clone" image. That's a common perception in the Anthem community. I think their silence is hurting them a bit because it lets speculation and comparisons to Destiny become the topic of discussion. Not sure how it's hurting? The similarity to Destiny appears to be helping hype the game, as far as I can tell. Reddit's Anthem sub is filled with Destiny fans enthusing over Anthem. The point made earlier may be a problem, though. If Destiny 2 and Anthem overlap by too much, Destiny 2 will lock up all of that market. Ideally, Anthem will drop right when Destiny fans have sated themselves on D2 and are ready for something new. When is D2 release date? With the attention span, hype-hate cycle nowadays, a new shiny toy about 3 months after a competitor's release could be a smart move. Maybe that's actually is their marketing stratagem, heh.
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Post by GreyLycanTrope on Aug 23, 2017 16:30:46 GMT
At no point was I positive on Anthem to begin with, strictly from the point of view of it just not being the sort of game type I have any interest in so really my own outlook hasn't really changed.
That said I have a hard time not seeing this impact peoples outlook on Anthem though. Especially when they're still going to keep Andromeda's MP "storyline" and microtransaction support going. Odds are Andromeda is now going to be little more than a test run platform for whatever they have planned for Anthem. Hard to not see people carry some resent from that.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 23, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
Not sure how it's hurting? The similarity to Destiny appears to be helping hype the game, as far as I can tell. Reddit's Anthem sub is filled with Destiny fans enthusing over Anthem. The point made earlier may be a problem, though. If Destiny 2 and Anthem overlap by too much, Destiny 2 will lock up all of that market. Ideally, Anthem will drop right when Destiny fans have sated themselves on D2 and are ready for something new. When is D2 release date? With the attention span, hype-hate cycle nowadays, a new shiny toy about 3 months after a competitor's release could be a smart move. Maybe that's actually is their marketing stratagem, heh. Destiny 2 comes out in a few weeks on console and in October on PC. So they'll have plenty of time to either lock their playerbase down, or mess it up and lose it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 16:45:27 GMT
When is D2 release date? With the attention span, hype-hate cycle nowadays, a new shiny toy about 3 months after a competitor's release could be a smart move. Maybe that's actually is their marketing stratagem, heh. Destiny 2 comes out in a few weeks on console and in October on PC. So they'll have plenty of time to either lock their playerbase down, or mess it up and lose it. Oh, so we are looking at a 1 or 2 years post Destiny 2 release. That's not going to work against them, imo, will actually work in BioWARE's favor if anything. Well, let's wait & see that marketing. I'll also be happy if this forum keeps me appraised of D2 release and reception, b/c tbh I am too wary to go searching for information & afraid of any negativity ricochet for a game I am not even interested in.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 23, 2017 16:52:04 GMT
Destiny 2 comes out in a few weeks on console and in October on PC. So they'll have plenty of time to either lock their playerbase down, or mess it up and lose it. Oh, so we are looking at a 1 or 2 years post Destiny 2 release. That's not going to work against them, imo, will actually work in BioWARE's favor if anything. Well, let's wait & see that marketing. I'll also be happy if this forum keeps me appraised of D2 release and reception, b/c tbh I am too wary to go searching for information & afraid of any negativity ricochet for a game I am not even interested in. I think if it works in BioWare's favour or not largely depends on the reception Destiny 2 gets. If it's like Destiny 1, then it could work to their advantage. However I certainly wouldn't have wanted to launch a MMO in 2005/2006 after World of Warcraft came out in late 2004. It would have been utterly crushed. The thing about MMOs and these "MMO lite" games is that when one is really good, people tend to get attached to it and so long as it's getting regular support they end up feeling like "I'm already playing this one, invested in my character, and made friends here. Why bother switching?".
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 23, 2017 17:10:22 GMT
Oh, so we are looking at a 1 or 2 years post Destiny 2 release. That's not going to work against them, imo, will actually work in BioWARE's favor if anything. Well, let's wait & see that marketing. I'll also be happy if this forum keeps me appraised of D2 release and reception, b/c tbh I am too wary to go searching for information & afraid of any negativity ricochet for a game I am not even interested in. I think if it works in BioWare's favour or not largely depends on the reception Destiny 2 gets. If it's like Destiny 1, then it could work to their advantage. However I certainly wouldn't have wanted to launch a MMO in 2005/2006 after World of Warcraft came out in late 2004. It would have been utterly crushed. The thing about MMOs and these "MMO lite" games is that when one is really good, people tend to get attached to it and so long as it's getting regular support they end up feeling like "I'm already playing this one, invested in my character, and made friends here. Why bother switching?". We'll have to see, but so far most Destiny fans and channels I've seen seem a bit unimpressed with Destiny 2. More to the point, they frequently call it Destiny 1.5 because it seems like more of the same rather than innovating or addressing the biggest criticisms of the first game. Of course, as far as Anthem is concerned, all will depend on how they support the game in the next twelve months, but it doesn't look like they're off to great start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 17:22:54 GMT
WOW is anomaly though, rather than a rule. I was under the impression that most cooperative games start to die off rather fast nowadays & peeps overall are far more inclined to move like locust than stay put and play the same thing. But hey, maybe not. A year or two still seems enough to gain a fair bit of "meh, I want something else."
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 23, 2017 17:44:11 GMT
I still think it's too early to assume Anthem is even remotely like Destiny, or Destiny 2. That game is just a simplified MMOFPS that is barely even an MMO. It's really just a copy/paste of the Halo IP with some persistent environments, a social hub, competitive multiplayer, and a few lite raids.
At the very least, we know that our character in Anthem will be voiced, and given the one quest that we do see (whether it's a side quest or main story), there will likely be a focus on story (unlike Destiny, which has virtually no story). We also know that there will be crafting in Anthem, which gives more credence to the fact it actually is an action RPG. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe Destiny 1 (and probably Destiny 2) has any sort of crafting (haven't played it since beta).
I'm also still not convinced you'll see other random players in the open world, which is the case with Destiny 1, Destiny 2, and most MMOs. In order to really pull off a quality single player experience, it would make sense to have private worlds that you can invite your friends into if you want to play together. That would make the experience fundamentally different from how Destiny functions.
I don't believe these games will be direct competitors. However, if Destiny 2 is really just a modest upgrade of Destiny 1, I could see Anthem perhaps enticing some of those players to jump ship. Even if Destiny 2 were a flop, it's still has its install base on consoles, much like WoW still has its install base even if it hasn't been the arguably best MMO for years.
Truth be told, I think Anthem is going to appeal to BioWare fans more than they realize it. A lot are swearing the game off already because they believe it's "forced multiplayer with microtransactions," but we simply don't truly know anything about the game. I think quite a few folks are going to be pleasantly surprised by what Anthem actually is.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 23, 2017 18:43:31 GMT
WOW is anomaly though, rather than a rule. I was under the impression that most cooperative games start to die off rather fast nowadays & peeps overall are far more inclined to move like locust than stay put and play the same thing. But hey, maybe not. A year or two still seems enough to gain a fair bit of "meh, I want something else." My experience with MMOs is that people tend to get invested in their characters and the guilds they're in which results in them not wanting to leave, unless the game does rather poorly. It's not so much that WoW is the anomaly as much as it is the entire MMO genre is. Although for Destiny 2 to actually hit those levels it would have to do for the "MMO lite loot shooter" what World of Warcraft did for hotkey MMOs back in 2004, which it's unlikely that it will(or that Anthem will, as well).
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