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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 14, 2017 18:57:14 GMT
Let's see, NWN came out in 2002 and it's 2017 ... I'M A REAL BIO FAN!!!! There is actually one guy on this forum that thinks NWN1 was the best of their games. I think every rule has exceptions, lol. Jade Empire was the greatest game ever made and it makes me sad how it's treated like it never existed while people touch themselves to Baldur's Gate all day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 19:05:49 GMT
There is actually one guy on this forum that thinks NWN1 was the best of their games. I think every rule has exceptions, lol. Jade Empire was the greatest game ever made and it makes me sad how it's treated like it never existed while people touch themselves to Baldur's Gate all day. You'll get no argument from me, only an enthusiastic agreement. I did like Baldur's gate, but Jade Empire was in essence their best game and contained everything they are famous for in the most concise package. Plot, dialogues, protagonist, balance of humor and heroic, antagonist, romances, gameplay, character evolution - all of it was basically just right. I weep every time when I think that most peeps here have never experienced Jade Empire & that Bio won't spruce it up.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 15, 2017 8:17:55 GMT
Jade Empire was the greatest game ever made and it makes me sad how it's treated like it never existed while people touch themselves to Baldur's Gate all day. You'll get no argument from me, only an enthusiastic agreement. I did like Baldur's gate, but Jade Empire was in essence their best game and contained everything they are famous for in the most concise package. Plot, dialogues, protagonist, balance of humor and heroic, antagonist, romances, gameplay, character evolution - all of it was basically just right. I weep every time when I think that most peeps here have never experienced Jade Empire & that Bio won't spruce it up. It doesn't appeal to everyone because of the setting. e.g.: I always connote it with Kungfu Panda and fighting games - and I have totally no interest in playing these.
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Post by haolyn on Sept 17, 2017 9:24:11 GMT
i tried playing jade empire back in the day but the setting just never appealed to me enough to keep playing it. the same reason the fallout games bore me to tears. not everyone likes the same games
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 18, 2017 9:47:10 GMT
Not playing a new gamebecause the same company made a game that didn't meet your expectations?
Might as well stop gaming then. Not much left.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 18, 2017 15:37:31 GMT
You'll get no argument from me, only an enthusiastic agreement. I did like Baldur's gate, but Jade Empire was in essence their best game and contained everything they are famous for in the most concise package. Plot, dialogues, protagonist, balance of humor and heroic, antagonist, romances, gameplay, character evolution - all of it was basically just right. I weep every time when I think that most peeps here have never experienced Jade Empire & that Bio won't spruce it up. It doesn't appeal to everyone because of the setting. e.g.: I always connote it with Kungfu Panda and fighting games - and I have totally no interest in playing these. Um. I don't expect everyone to be a fan of Chinese medieval epics (or fantasy settings based on them) but your first thought on seeing such a thing is Kung Fu Panda, really? Not playing a new gamebecause the same company made a game that didn't meet your expectations? Might as well stop gaming then. Not much left. It's not even the same company. Anthem is being made by the actual BioWare team, Andromeda was made by some randoms out in Montreal (whose project was saved by people like Mac from Edmonton coming in last moment.)
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Post by Iakus on Sept 18, 2017 15:51:57 GMT
Not playing a new gamebecause the same company made a game that didn't meet your expectations? Might as well stop gaming then. Not much left. Games are expensive. Not everyone can just plop down $60+ dollars on a "maybe this time it will be different"
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 18, 2017 18:03:20 GMT
Not playing a new gamebecause the same company made a game that didn't meet your expectations? Might as well stop gaming then. Not much left. Games are expensive. Not everyone can just plop down $60+ dollars on a "maybe this time it will be different" -(_ANTHEM_)-
Pre-ordering is asinine, imo. If players resist this madness, perhaps the publishers will launch a finished product. Who knows, maybe even the studio will pursue quality when players says "show me first, then you get my money".
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 18, 2017 18:46:35 GMT
Not playing a new gamebecause the same company made a game that didn't meet your expectations? Might as well stop gaming then. Not much left. Games are expensive. Not everyone can just plop down $60+ dollars on a "maybe this time it will be different" In which case, not pre-ordering and waiting for reviews is the correct strategy. To write off all future games from a studio is a choice the OP is entitled to make, but it doesn't seem overly rational to me.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 18, 2017 18:47:55 GMT
Games are expensive. Not everyone can just plop down $60+ dollars on a "maybe this time it will be different" In which case, not pre-ordering and waiting for reviews is the correct strategy. To write off all future games from a studio is a choice the OP is entitled to make, but it doesn't seem overly rational to me. Seems perfectly rational to me if a studio has consistently alienated them as a customer over several years.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 18, 2017 19:52:17 GMT
In which case, not pre-ordering and waiting for reviews is the correct strategy. To write off all future games from a studio is a choice the OP is entitled to make, but it doesn't seem overly rational to me. Seems perfectly rational to me if a studio has consistently alienated them as a customer over several years. This is BioWare we're talking about here, they may have sub-optimal series entries, but also successful ones. That's hardly consistent alienation.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 18, 2017 19:54:46 GMT
It doesn't appeal to everyone because of the setting. e.g.: I always connote it with Kungfu Panda and fighting games - and I have totally no interest in playing these. Um. I don't expect everyone to be a fan of Chinese medieval epics (or fantasy settings based on them) but your first thought on seeing such a thing is Kung Fu Panda, really? Not playing a new gamebecause the same company made a game that didn't meet your expectations? Might as well stop gaming then. Not much left. It's not even the same company. Anthem is being made by the actual BioWare team, Andromeda was made by some randoms out in Montreal (whose project was saved by people like Mac from Edmonton coming in last moment.) Ye. The panda came out a year later or so. The mind is a strange thing. It throws all kinds of things into a pot what doesn't seem important or of immediate interest.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 18, 2017 19:58:34 GMT
Seems perfectly rational to me if a studio has consistently alienated them as a customer over several years. This is BioWare we're talking about here, they may have sub-optimal series entries, but also successful ones. That's hardly consistent alienation. DAI pulled the plug on last-gen support with two more DLCs still to be made. MEA completely abandoned its SP base six months into its support cycle. Let's not get into what happened with ME3. Which doesn't even get into the particulars of Anthem that we know or can reasonably guess. It's not unreasonable to be fed up at this point.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 18, 2017 22:40:17 GMT
This is BioWare we're talking about here, they may have sub-optimal series entries, but also successful ones. That's hardly consistent alienation. DAI pulled the plug on last-gen support with two more DLCs still to be made. MEA completely abandoned its SP base six months into its support cycle. Let's not get into what happened with ME3. Which doesn't even get into the particulars of Anthem that we know or can reasonably guess. It's not unreasonable to be fed up at this point. DAI was still GOTY, though it's a shame the last gen couldn't handle the advancing content. MEA's DLC abandonment is annoying, granted. ME3 is still a great game and the Extended Cut does enough. Anthem is still an unknown but seems promising. If the above items trigger feelings of consistent alienation, then I would suggest playing something else. These are just personal perspectives, cherry picking bad stuff is allowed but I'm not convinced it defines the studio.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 18, 2017 23:42:15 GMT
Um. I don't expect everyone to be a fan of Chinese medieval epics (or fantasy settings based on them) but your first thought on seeing such a thing is Kung Fu Panda, really? It's not even the same company. Anthem is being made by the actual BioWare team, Andromeda was made by some randoms out in Montreal (whose project was saved by people like Mac from Edmonton coming in last moment.) Ye. The panda came out a year later or so. The mind is a strange thing. It throws all kinds of things into a pot what doesn't seem important or of immediate interest. Kung Fu Panda came out over three years later.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 19, 2017 0:09:12 GMT
]DAI was still GOTY, though it's a shame the last gen couldn't handle the advancing content. Yes, it's a shame tehy kicked a part of the audience to the curb. Obviously. So much that people are still p*ssed about it five years later. Promising what, exactly? Done. So glad you approve
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 19, 2017 14:52:50 GMT
DAI pulled the plug on last-gen support with two more DLCs still to be made. MEA completely abandoned its SP base six months into its support cycle. Let's not get into what happened with ME3. Which doesn't even get into the particulars of Anthem that we know or can reasonably guess. It's not unreasonable to be fed up at this point. DAI was still GOTY, though it's a shame the last gen couldn't handle the advancing content. MEA's DLC abandonment is annoying, granted. ME3 is still a great game and the Extended Cut does enough. Anthem is still an unknown but seems promising. If the above items trigger feelings of consistent alienation, then I would suggest playing something else. These are just personal perspectives, cherry picking bad stuff is allowed but I'm not convinced it defines the studio. With Anthem, i'm cautiously optimistic. We what? Seen seven minutes of footage? BioWare has never handled mp at this scale before. Now, it remains to be seen if it would just be like all the other mp that BioWare has offered, but concerning how their marketing Anthem; they want this to be the focus, when it was completely optional and some what forgettable. Only ME3 (in my opinion) had good co-op. According to a BioFan video, all the content can be played by yourself so I'm concerned with the co-op functionality. However, I am concerned that the content would be bloody hard to do by yourself or puzzles that would require four players.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 19, 2017 16:49:07 GMT
DAI was still GOTY, though it's a shame the last gen couldn't handle the advancing content. MEA's DLC abandonment is annoying, granted. ME3 is still a great game and the Extended Cut does enough. Anthem is still an unknown but seems promising. If the above items trigger feelings of consistent alienation, then I would suggest playing something else. These are just personal perspectives, cherry picking bad stuff is allowed but I'm not convinced it defines the studio. With Anthem, i'm cautiously optimistic. We what? Seen seven minutes of footage? BioWare has never handled mp at this scale before. Now, it remains to be seen if it would just be like all the other mp that BioWare has offered, but concerning how their marketing Anthem; they want this to be the focus, when it was completely optional and some what forgettable. Only ME3 (in my opinion) had good co-op. According to a BioFan video, all the content can be played by yourself so I'm concerned with the co-op functionality. However, I am concerned that the content would be bloody hard to do by yourself or puzzles that would require four players. This is something we'll have to wait to get answers to, but I would guess that a lot of the content, especially story content, will be designed with single player in mind. While other content, analogous to the strikes in Destiny, will have a multiplayer focus.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2017 6:37:42 GMT
Games are expensive. Not everyone can just plop down $60+ dollars on a "maybe this time it will be different" In which case, not pre-ordering and waiting for reviews is the correct strategy. To write off all future games from a studio is a choice the OP is entitled to make, but it doesn't seem overly rational to me. Normally, I would support this stance.
However, as launch date approaches, Bioware will probably go something like: " pre-order now, and get a free pet hamster, with miniature exo-suit for the hamster included!". And well, my resistance will just wither away in 0.31415 seconds.
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Post by shinobiwan on Oct 2, 2017 14:34:59 GMT
I'm just losing my patience with the microtransactions model. It's been getting progressively worse in each title to the point where MEA was shameless milking. I've played too many good games without that nonsense in the last 6 months to return to that. If there's any whiff of that practice in Anthem I'll likely stay clear.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 3, 2017 17:44:05 GMT
I'm just losing my patience with the microtransactions model. It's been getting progressively worse in each title to the point where MEA was shameless milking. I've played too many good games without that nonsense in the last 6 months to return to that. If there's any whiff of that practice in Anthem I'll likely stay clear. Well until they raise prices on games it's not going anywhere, unless you have a better idea.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 3, 2017 18:46:57 GMT
DAI pulled the plug on last-gen support with two more DLCs still to be made. MEA completely abandoned its SP base six months into its support cycle. Let's not get into what happened with ME3. Which doesn't even get into the particulars of Anthem that we know or can reasonably guess. It's not unreasonable to be fed up at this point. DAI was still GOTY, though it's a shame the last gen couldn't handle the advancing content. MEA's DLC abandonment is annoying, granted. ME3 is still a great game and the Extended Cut does enough. Anthem is still an unknown but seems promising. If the above items trigger feelings of consistent alienation, then I would suggest playing something else. These are just personal perspectives, cherry picking bad stuff is allowed but I'm not convinced it defines the studio. I agree it doesn't define the studio besides with what has happened over the last couple of years if they are this upset at EA and BioWare pulling the plug on unannounced DLC they probably need to stop gaming in general for actions like this just are part of business. I really want to stop bringing up WBIE but with how they handled the tribute DLC and now they are basically blaming the people that wanted to know where their money was going because they lived outside the 43 states. Now they have changed the DLC to be free, but it feels like they are blaming us for wanting to know where our money was going when they were trying to play fast and loose with the laws outside those states. To me that seems to be something to be much worse then removing the possibility of unannounced DLC. You can even find examples in the smaller publishers too such as if I remember correctly the instant price chance for DLC for the Total War games even the older releases because they were trying a different price structure with no warning to the playerbase. If a person wants to take a stand I have no problem with it, but just don't say you don't like the business practices of one company when many others do the same if not worse things people want to avoid really paying attention to.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 3, 2017 18:48:41 GMT
I'm just losing my patience with the microtransactions model. It's been getting progressively worse in each title to the point where MEA was shameless milking. I've played too many good games without that nonsense in the last 6 months to return to that. If there's any whiff of that practice in Anthem I'll likely stay clear. Well until they raise prices on games it's not going anywhere, unless you have a better idea. Wasn't recently calculated that if game prices from the '80s matched inflation they would be between $100 and $120 now? Since development costs have been going up since players want more and more with each game it only makes sense they are trying to find money elsewhere. I even remember paying over $100 CDN for Final Fantasy 3/VI when it was released for the SNES.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 3, 2017 20:48:31 GMT
I'm just losing my patience with the microtransactions model. It's been getting progressively worse in each title to the point where MEA was shameless milking. I've played too many good games without that nonsense in the last 6 months to return to that. If there's any whiff of that practice in Anthem I'll likely stay clear. Well until they raise prices on games it's not going anywhere, unless you have a better idea. Stop trying to compete with Hollywood comes to mind...
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Post by shinobiwan on Oct 3, 2017 21:02:46 GMT
I'm just losing my patience with the microtransactions model. It's been getting progressively worse in each title to the point where MEA was shameless milking. I've played too many good games without that nonsense in the last 6 months to return to that. If there's any whiff of that practice in Anthem I'll likely stay clear. Well until they raise prices on games it's not going anywhere, unless you have a better idea. I'll rephrase. I don't have a problem with microtransactions generally, but EA brought it to a new level, especially with MEA. I haven't played any game that's anywhere near as aggressive in its attempts to milk players. Unless it's clear that they toned it down for Anthem, not worth it.
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