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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 11:32:09 GMT
I want to do this and see how it's so different. So, I crafted a Mage who hated her time in the Circle. But now she's gone soft; she liked Jowan, she doesn't hate Blood Mages, but she does hate Templars. I guess I didn't have enough memory of the situation to have made different mindsets. Maybe a Mage just can't do it?
So, who did it and why did their character do it?
Was it a heavy paranoia of blood magic? Hating all Magic? How did the Warden feel about murdering the children for the sake of safety?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 11:52:04 GMT
A unwilling sort who was trying to save all mages but couldn't use the parchment in time to save all of them so they all died... Ehe, accidents happen right?
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 23, 2016 11:52:48 GMT
I did it once, just to see what happens and felt simply awful. My Warden actually liked the idea. She was intent on erasing her past, and as a mage, the Circle held too much of her history. I hated playing that character. She did make for some mildly amusing fanfic tho'.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 23, 2016 12:12:52 GMT
I want to do this and see how it's so different. So, I crafted a Mage who hated her time in the Circle. But now she's gone soft; she liked Jowan, she doesn't hate Blood Mages, but she does hate Templars. I guess I didn't have enough memory of the situation to have made different mindsets. Maybe a Mage just can't do it? So, who did it and why did their character do it? Was it a heavy paranoia of blood magic? Hating all Magic? How did the Warden feel about murdering the children for the sake of safety? Any warden can choose the Annulment, with similar background as for example Meredith have. Or simply scared, when seen the situation. The warden does not necessarily fearless. S/He also accidental hero. We also can't forget, that when the warden arrived, s/he met only a pile of the impotent, scared Templars... if s/he believed anytime, that the Templars are strong things, then I can imagine, how scared could be, when s/he seen them...
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 12:16:19 GMT
I want to do this and see how it's so different. So, I crafted a Mage who hated her time in the Circle. But now she's gone soft; she liked Jowan, she doesn't hate Blood Mages, but she does hate Templars. I guess I didn't have enough memory of the situation to have made different mindsets. Maybe a Mage just can't do it? So, who did it and why did their character do it? Was it a heavy paranoia of blood magic? Hating all Magic? How did the Warden feel about murdering the children for the sake of safety? And nw seriously: any warden can choose the Annulment, with similar background as for example Meredith have. Or simply scared, when seen the situation. The warden does not necessarily fearless. S/He also accidental hero. But then Wynne explains everything with 3 kids standing right there. There is no way to not get that knowledge because Wynne has blocked the way.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 12:25:47 GMT
I did it once, just to see what happens and felt simply awful. My Warden actually liked the idea. She was intent on erasing her past, and as a mage, the Circle held too much of her history. I hated playing that character. She did make for some mildly amusing fanfic tho'. Oh my gosh, I've been cracking up. Especially at, "I may breed the red head to the Sten." Does she do the Dark Ritual?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 23, 2016 12:33:35 GMT
And nw seriously: any warden can choose the Annulment, with similar background as for example Meredith have. Or simply scared, when seen the situation. The warden does not necessarily fearless. S/He also accidental hero. But then Wynne explains everything with 3 kids standing right there. There is no way to not get that knowledge because Wynne has blocked the way. Difficult to convince a frightened or/and paranoid people...
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 23, 2016 12:42:30 GMT
I did it once, just to see what happens and felt simply awful. My Warden actually liked the idea. She was intent on erasing her past, and as a mage, the Circle held too much of her history. I hated playing that character. She did make for some mildly amusing fanfic tho'. Oh my gosh, I've been cracking up. Especially at, "I may breed the red head to the Sten." Does she do the Dark Ritual? Sort of. I need to write that part. Glad you like it. The problem is that while I enjoy writing her, I hate playing her.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 15:38:40 GMT
I think I'll hit a middle ground for this, since my character is supposed to be Morrigan like. She'll initially agree to help Wynne. Then when Morrigan pipes in about that being stupid, I'll say ,"maybe you're right." Which is not a statement of "I will now murder all the mages." At all. Wynne will get her panties in a twist for accepting Apostate advisement at all and attack me. And when it comes to Irving, I'm still on the wall. Why is his mind so weak that he can't fight mind control whereas the Warden Mage and company never give in at all? But if she saves the Tower "because of the children" she will not be able to sacrifice Connor. So, this is a deciding factor for her story arch.
I'm going to try to annul the Circle then. Because they are "weak" and even the children would have grown up to be weak. It's just too bad I can't slaughter the Templars and blame the abominations while I'm at it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 15:44:36 GMT
I've done it twice. My first warden helped Wynne and saved everyone, but at the end when the Templar was explaining everything she decided to leave it to them. She was a Cousland, had grown up with no knowledge of magic, so thought it best to defer to the templars when it came to matters of the Circle. How was she to know if the mages were blood mages or not? She thought it would be irresponsible for her to say they were fine. She was gutted to find out they had been killed, she'd hoped they'd find another way.
My dwarf distrusted magic and wanted to fix the problem a.s.a.p. Rather than let them all stay in the tower a couple of more days being tortured by demons, she thought it better to go in and put them out of their misery. She thought that more humane, and was more concerned with the safety of Ferelden and the demons not escaping. She killed everyone, including Wynne and the kids. Not that she enjoyed it, but she was a tough no nonsense dwarf who was focused on the blight.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 16:39:18 GMT
I think I'll hit a middle ground for this, since my character is supposed to be Morrigan like. She'll initially agree to help Wynne. Then when Morrigan pipes in about that being stupid, I'll say ,"maybe you're right." Which is not a statement of "I will now murder all the mages." At all. Wynne will get her panties in a twist for accepting Apostate advisement at all and attack me. And when it comes to Irving, I'm still on the wall. Why is his mind so weak that he can't fight mind control whereas the Warden Mage and company never give in at all? But if she saves the Tower "because of the children" she will not be able to sacrifice Connor. So, this is a deciding factor for her story arch. I'm going to try to annul the Circle then. Because they are "weak" and even the children would have grown up to be weak. It's just too bad I can't slaughter the Templars and blame the abominations while I'm at it. Hecky darn it. I reloaded and went in guns blazing. Said I hated the prison circle, that the Circle would get what they deserved, tried to persuade Leliana that Wynne was trying to trick us, and that I had no obligation to save them. Then Alistair put his foot down and said he absolutely wouldn't harm the "old lady". And it was either sound like a Templar, which my character absolutely hates them. "We have to do this for safety, I'm sorry." Or two ways of saying he was right. Sigh. Oh well. Still taken out of my hands, in a way. This Warden hates Templars more than the Circle anyway. And since she was willing to kill Children, until Alistair argued, this is still a Warden who would kill Connor to get blood magic tricks. It is very interesting to see how many ways this conversation can lead to a fight or an alliance though.
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Post by secretrare on Sept 23, 2016 23:08:09 GMT
Mages are more useful than templars for the darkspawns since there are already units of tank soldiers in the army so killing the mages here is not wise.If one save the mages they do a favor to the templars as well since they remain to watch the tower instead to fight the blight.
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Post by secretrare on Sept 23, 2016 23:11:18 GMT
I think I'll hit a middle ground for this, since my character is supposed to be Morrigan like. She'll initially agree to help Wynne. Then when Morrigan pipes in about that being stupid, I'll say ,"maybe you're right." There is nothing right in anything that she has to say here,her lines are just insanity.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 23:18:54 GMT
Morrison's or Wynne's? Because Wynne wanting to kill me because I'm talking to an apostate, but willing to stay in my party later in spite of that very apostate does seem kind of insane.
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Post by Prince on Sept 23, 2016 23:22:59 GMT
This is just one of the reasons that lead me to mistrust Morrigan in DAO. She grew up in such a way that she wanted to slaughter the mages not because they may be a threat, but because they did not share her views and subjected themselves to the Chantry. She objects if you don't kill them all.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 23:29:30 GMT
This is just one of the reasons that lead me to mistrust Morrigan in DAO. She grew up in such a way that she wanted to slaughter the mages not because they may be a threat, but because they did not share her views and subjected themselves to the Chantry. She objects if you don't kill them all. Yep. But if you let Alistair talk you out if it, you won't lose points.
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Post by oyabun on Sept 23, 2016 23:56:28 GMT
Morrigan is not willing to compromise with the world(this attitude of her does not change even in DAI),it's either her way or nothing and that's a very dangerous attitude as Cassandra in DAI said she isn't that far from Corypheus.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 23:57:54 GMT
Morrigan is not willing to compromise with the world(this attitude of her does not change even in DAI),it's either her way or nothing and that's a very dangerous attitude as Cassandra in DAI said she isn't that far from Corypheus. Cassandra says Morrigan is similar to Cory?
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Post by oyabun on Sept 24, 2016 0:08:52 GMT
Morrigan is not willing to compromise with the world(this attitude of her does not change even in DAI),it's either her way or nothing and that's a very dangerous attitude as Cassandra in DAI said she isn't that far from Corypheus. Cassandra says Morrigan is similar to Cory? In DAI after that she stab Abelas at his back without any kind of empaty.
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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2016 0:13:24 GMT
Cassandra says Morrigan is similar to Cory? In DAI after that she stab Abelas at his back.l without any kind of empathy. Oooooooo. Never seen that because both my Quizs took Solas and Morrigan advice. I think Dorian, Cole, and Blackwall have tagged along otherwise and maybe only Blackwall is against the elven respect path. I seriously wouldn't trust Morrigan after she stabbed an ancient elf either. Does Solas say anything about this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 4:39:24 GMT
I want to do this and see how it's so different. So, I crafted a Mage who hated her time in the Circle. But now she's gone soft; she liked Jowan, she doesn't hate Blood Mages, but she does hate Templars. I guess I didn't have enough memory of the situation to have made different mindsets. Maybe a Mage just can't do it? So, who did it and why did their character do it? Was it a heavy paranoia of blood magic? Hating all Magic? How did the Warden feel about murdering the children for the sake of safety? I've yet to do it. A mage can do it if the mage hated everyone in the circle. Jowan maybe their friends, but how was their relationship with the rest of their mage peers? Were they bullied by the others? If so, maybe they would like to see their tormentors pay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 4:44:59 GMT
I think I'll hit a middle ground for this, since my character is supposed to be Morrigan like. She'll initially agree to help Wynne. Then when Morrigan pipes in about that being stupid, I'll say ,"maybe you're right." Which is not a statement of "I will now murder all the mages." At all. Wynne will get her panties in a twist for accepting Apostate advisement at all and attack me. And when it comes to Irving, I'm still on the wall. Why is his mind so weak that he can't fight mind control whereas the Warden Mage and company never give in at all? But if she saves the Tower "because of the children" she will not be able to sacrifice Connor. So, this is a deciding factor for her story arch. I'm going to try to annul the Circle then. Because they are "weak" and even the children would have grown up to be weak. It's just too bad I can't slaughter the Templars and blame the abominations while I'm at it. Hecky darn it. I reloaded and went in guns blazing. Said I hated the prison circle, that the Circle would get what they deserved, tried to persuade Leliana that Wynne was trying to trick us, and that I had no obligation to save them. Then Alistair put his foot down and said he absolutely wouldn't harm the "old lady". And it was either sound like a Templar, which my character absolutely hates them. "We have to do this for safety, I'm sorry." Or two ways of saying he was right. Sigh. Oh well. Still taken out of my hands, in a way. This Warden hates Templars more than the Circle anyway. And since she was willing to kill Children, until Alistair argued, this is still a Warden who would kill Connor to get blood magic tricks. It is very interesting to see how many ways this conversation can lead to a fight or an alliance though. I think Irving and company were routinely tortured in order to make their will weak enough that they can be possessed. Also, I think you might still be able to sacrifice Conner even if you save the mages by saying their is not enough time, but I could be wrong. That is why I lave my good companions, like Alistair at camp when I go off to do my evil deeds.
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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2016 4:50:24 GMT
Hecky darn it. I reloaded and went in guns blazing. Said I hated the prison circle, that the Circle would get what they deserved, tried to persuade Leliana that Wynne was trying to trick us, and that I had no obligation to save them. Then Alistair put his foot down and said he absolutely wouldn't harm the "old lady". And it was either sound like a Templar, which my character absolutely hates them. "We have to do this for safety, I'm sorry." Or two ways of saying he was right. Sigh. Oh well. Still taken out of my hands, in a way. This Warden hates Templars more than the Circle anyway. And since she was willing to kill Children, until Alistair argued, this is still a Warden who would kill Connor to get blood magic tricks. It is very interesting to see how many ways this conversation can lead to a fight or an alliance though. I think Irving and company were routinely tortured in order to make their will weak enough that they can be possessed. Also, I think you might still be able to sacrifice Conner even if you save the mages by saying their is not enough time, but I could be wrong. That is why I lave my good companions, like Alistair at camp when I go off to do my evil deeds. Hahaha. It's true, I should leave him back at camp. I had intended to romance him and I don't like Sten much, so he came with for the Circle. I have Zevran and Morrigan in tow. Guess I should switch over to Sten? He devilish? I've always left him at camp prior. I won't be getting Shale for quite a while.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 5:05:26 GMT
I think Irving and company were routinely tortured in order to make their will weak enough that they can be possessed. Also, I think you might still be able to sacrifice Conner even if you save the mages by saying their is not enough time, but I could be wrong. That is why I lave my good companions, like Alistair at camp when I go off to do my evil deeds. Hahaha. It's true, I should leave him back at camp. I had intended to romance him and I don't like Sten much, so he came with for the Circle. I have Zevran and Morrigan in tow. Guess I should switch over to Sten? He devilish? I've always left him at camp prior. I won't be getting Shale for quite a while. I think Sten is fine with killing mages, he doesn't really like them that much. But if you want to take Alistair with you can always regain approval points with gifts.
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