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Post by Artemis on Sept 18, 2017 18:42:25 GMT
Too many of these are specific wish lists and fan-ficy. I thought the OP's entire point was to try and guess which kinds of romance have a legitimate chance of being implemented? Not to mention that not every Companion or Advisor will be a Love Interest. Unless you like rushed and shallow ? Yeah seems you're right in that some people are just listing what they "want" to see in the next game. Which is fine Just not on topic. Also, it's a perfectly legitimate prediction that every (or nearly every) companion and advisor will be a LI. The dev team seem to think DAI was a tremendous success, so I have a feeling we can look forward to more gaited and shallow romances...
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 18, 2017 19:15:25 GMT
Too many of these are specific wish lists and fan-ficy. I thought the OP's entire point was to try and guess which kinds of romance have a legitimate chance of being implemented? Not to mention that not every Companion or Advisor will be a Love Interest. Unless you like rushed and shallow ? Yeah seems you're right in that some people are just listing what they "want" to see in the next game. Which is fine Just not on topic. Also, it's a perfectly legitimate prediction that every (or nearly every) companion and advisor will be a LI. The dev team seem to think DAI was a tremendous success, so I have a feeling we can look forward to more gaited and shallow romances... I think my Vaea post is a reasonable prediction; the knight-errant comic ends with her heading to tevinter
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 18, 2017 19:23:15 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing Vaea as a potential romance. I'm not sure why, but I've found our little elven Robin Hood quite charming. Who do you think she would be available to? And how do you think the romance will be?
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Post by Artemis on Sept 18, 2017 19:31:16 GMT
Yeah seems you're right in that some people are just listing what they "want" to see in the next game. Which is fine Just not on topic. Also, it's a perfectly legitimate prediction that every (or nearly every) companion and advisor will be a LI. The dev team seem to think DAI was a tremendous success, so I have a feeling we can look forward to more gaited and shallow romances... I think my Vaea post is a reasonable prediction; the knight-errant comic ends with her heading to tevinter Oh I see The way it was worded made it seem she was someone you "hoped" would be in DA4, not someone you were predicting would be there. I'm trying to decide if my original post in this thread was too bitter and tbh I feel we don't have enough information yet. As it stands, I do suspect they will continue to create the same tired old stereotypes. I just haven't seen anything to indicate they've changed, other than David Gaider leaving.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 18, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing Vaea as a potential romance. I'm not sure why, but I've found our little elven Robin Hood quite charming. Who do you think she would be available to? And how do you think the romance will be? I could see her being either straight or bi; she'd approve of you acting compassionate towards others (especially the weak and downtrodden) and making sure the guilty don't go unpunished; she'd be available for all races, but would show some initial reluctance towards a human PC due to her past experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 19:38:48 GMT
I think though, despite a bit of a confusion between "I want" and "I can read BioWare's mind", overall, most posts point out dwarven LI and Qunari Female Mage LI as very probable. I think pretty much everything also on board that a coup,e-Three humans in traditional Perky Female Mage/Rogue and a Broken Male Warrior are almost inevitable.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 25, 2017 13:09:37 GMT
I'd not be surprised if there's a trans LI in DA4; Maevaris would be the most likely candidate, I imagine, but even if it's not her, specifically, them going this route would seem to be the logical conclusion of the progression they've had so far.
I recall, when asked if we would be able to romance more than one companion at a time like we could in Origins, the devs said they didn't like doing that with separate romances and programming interactions between the separate romances was tricky, so they brought up the idea of a truly polyamorous romance story with an established couple that invited the PC to be their third partner. That may have just been an off the cuff example of how they'd do it but it isn't something I'd rule out entirely.
Aside from that I don't really have an inkling about what specifically they'd be doing. I think a dwarf romance is more likely now; as I recall - and I could well be wrong about this - it was apparently David Gaider who was opposed to that previously and he's since left so that door may be open now. I seem to recall him also having a problem with a female qunari romance; felt that they were being fetishized(I imagine Sera being given that trait was something of a take that to that segment of the audience).
I imagine there's going to continue to be more in the way of non-companion romances, which I think is a good thing because I feel that opens up more story opportunities than what's available with only fellow combatants who constantly travel with you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 13:21:00 GMT
Really? They actually drew the line on Dwarves and female Qunari? Heh, that's not what I have ever expected to hear tbh.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 25, 2017 13:29:49 GMT
It's been a few years so I'm likely misremembering details and it's possible that the quotes I saw were taken out of context and exaggerated. As I recall Gaider had said something about finding dwarves - or at least female dwarves - too child-like to be comfortable including a female dwarf romance. Which of course is all kinds of absurd but apparently was a thing.
I do specifically remember him saying that he wasn't opposed to including a female qunari romance but that he found the fanbase's desire for it to be fetishistic and shallow where as he'd want to focus more on character and what kind of story he could tell with that.
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Post by Artemis on Sept 25, 2017 13:30:37 GMT
Really? They actually drew the line on Dwarves and female Qunari? Heh, that's not what I have ever expected to hear tbh. Gaider was one judgmental weirdo. He also said you had to be a pervert to want to romance Cole. Then in Trespasser the kid gets a girlfriend. /eyeroll
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 13:43:15 GMT
Really? They actually drew the line on Dwarves and female Qunari? Heh, that's not what I have ever expected to hear tbh. Gaider was one judgmental weirdo. He also said you had to be a pervert to want to romance Cole. Then in Trespasser the kid gets a girlfriend. /eyeroll Heh, Anders was entirely different than Cole. And romancing IB is not a perversion, because he is a male, old and fat? Everyone is lusting after the elves, but Dwarves are a no-no, they are short *and* thick? Logic. Well, I hope they are a touch less worried about perversions next time, and a bit more about cool characters and awesome romances.
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Post by phoray on Sept 25, 2017 14:10:23 GMT
formerfiend @carefull I've actually read the conversation and series of tweets comments in one big pile, although I wouldn't be able to find it now. The cinematics for a female dwarf, especially with the pigtails in DAO, made the dwarf look too child like for him. however, he stated that just meant he wouldn't play a female dwarf himself so he could easily avoid such discomfort on his own part. He did not and never did have a vendetta against female dwarves for everyone else. If he'd been so against it AND had the power (which sounds like he did have a lot of power), then female dwarves as a protaganist would never have happened in DAO. He would have blocked them for their creepiness to him. But it wasn't like that. People took one comment "Female dwarf sex scene creeps me out" to mean Gaider saif"female dwarf romances creep me out". hopefully? you see what I see when reading that, is that those do not equal each other. I have heard nothing about Gaider being against a female Qunari due to wanting to combat fetishism. Psh. He'd had to have blocked elves long ago for the same reason. Also, it implies he has any control over what people Fetishize over. But considering the first bit about dwarf romance, I assume this is also a random comment blown way out of proportion.
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Post by phoray on Sept 25, 2017 14:19:15 GMT
Really? They actually drew the line on Dwarves and female Qunari? Heh, that's not what I have ever expected to hear tbh. Gaider was one judgmental weirdo. He also said you had to be a pervert to want to romance Cole. Then in Trespasser the kid gets a girlfriend. /eyeroll I don't know if you'd have to be a pervert... but Cole was a very incomplete person and/or spirit. As a spirit of compassion, sex was a thing he was aware of as an act that living beings did, but he had absolutely no urge for on his own. As a person, I mean, sarcastic answer at the restuarant was that Cole had yet to eat and have a bowel movement for the first time. He was clueless. Imagine one of these pre teens getting their first erection and freaking out and being embarrassed by it. This isn't just virginity, Cole hasn't even touched himself for pleasure. Despite the body of an adult, he has the mind of a child. A child with information about how to kill someone the best, and history of having done so, granted. Romancing him in base game Inquisition brings up to me the same ethical problems that modern day people have with the ethics and rights of the mentally handicapped. Unlike the mentally handicapped, Cole will eventually learn to be human enough for potential sex with him not to be creepy. But by that point, it's Trespasser. Years later. And even that relationship seems more like... Non sexual cuddling that, maybe, will lead to actual sex. But still, years! to reach that point-- till he expresses a desire to touch and be touched. Gaider worked on base game primarily, and had limited? no? involvement in Trespasser. So, I agree that base game Cole is ew to me. Trespasser Cole may be ready, but his "feelings" have been caught by the bard. And there is a symbiosis to that relationship that there really couldn't be with an Inquisitor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 14:35:10 GMT
formerfiend @carefull I've actually read the conversation and series of tweets comments in one big pile, although I wouldn't be able to find it now. The cinematics for a female dwarf, especially with the pigtails in DAO, made the dwarf look too child like for him. however, he stated that just meant he wouldn't play a female dwarf himself so he could easily avoid such discomfort on his own part. He did not and never did have a vendetta against female dwarves for everyone else. If he'd been so against it AND had the power (which sounds like he did have a lot of power), then female dwarves as a protaganist would never have happened in DAO. He would have blocked them for their creepiness to him. But it wasn't like that. People took one comment "Female dwarf sex scene creeps me out" to mean Gaider saif"female dwarf romances creep me out". hopefully? you see what I see when reading that, is that those do not equal each other. I have heard nothing about Gaider being against a female Qunari due to wanting to combat fetishism. Psh. He'd had to have blocked elves long ago for the same reason. Also, it implies he has any control over what people Fetishize over. But considering the first bit about dwarf romance, I assume this is also a random comment blown way out of proportion. Well, fingers crossed it was a misinterpretation. Gaider did have a history of saying "no" and not in a nice way back when, so I guess I've jumped to conclusions. At any rate, an interesting romance will be a welcome feature
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 25, 2017 17:19:57 GMT
Yeah, like I said I could easily be misremembering things - honestly it may not have actually been Gaider though I'm 95% that it was. But I recall a thread on the old BSN before Inquisition was released - I believe it was actually before we had a real idea about who the party members were going to be - and it was a thread supporting a female qunari LI and Gaider made a comment that wasn't an out and out denouncement of the idea but was something to the effect of, "Yeah we're not unwilling to do that but we think about it more in terms of character & story; have you guys put any thought into what kind of character you want a romance with or is it just 'qunari female'?"
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Post by phoray on Sept 25, 2017 17:27:22 GMT
Yeah, like I said I could easily be misremembering things - honestly it may not have actually been Gaider though I'm 95% that it was. But I recall a thread on the old BSN before Inquisition was released - I believe it was actually before we had a real idea about who the party members were going to be - and it was a thread supporting a female qunari LI and Gaider made a comment that wasn't an out and out denouncement of the idea but was something to the effect of, "Yeah we're not unwilling to do that but we think about it more in terms of character & story; have you guys put any thought into what kind of character you want a romance with or is it just 'qunari female'?" But that's not Anti Qunari at all. I think he was just saying, at the end of the day, that's not much fan input. In real life, I'm a human female. And I would like to date and love and sex other human males. But what KIND of human males? Apparently nerdy ones who make lame jokes and tell me I'm amazing every day in a way that sounds so sincere and fresh as if it's the first time he's said it. Okay, we're getting close to a PERSONALITY with that description. But does he have a job and does he love it or does he want something else? Now we're talking about a race, gender, personality with motivations., hopes, and dreamsAnd I think that's all he was saying from what you've offered me. All my first PTs of each DA, I romanced a male human. Alistair, Anders, Cullen. Elves can be sexy and cute, but it requires more for me to romance them enthusiastically. So if they made a female Qunari Amazon babe but she was about as interestesting as a stone, I wouldn't romance her regardless of her Amazon Woman Model Appearance. Cora from MEA has a great bod, but her anger issues and obsession with being an Asari commando is a huge turn off to me.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 25, 2017 17:36:26 GMT
It's been a few years so I'm likely misremembering details and it's possible that the quotes I saw were taken out of context and exaggerated. As I recall Gaider had said something about finding dwarves - or at least female dwarves - too child-like to be comfortable including a female dwarf romance. Which of course is all kinds of absurd but apparently was a thing. *Tired sigh* It was not a thing. David Gaider does not hate dwarves or dwarf romances. Back in DAO, he saw a sex scene where a dwarf was made up to look as young as possible — with youthful pigtails and the like — and thus he felt "a little traumatized." This led to him joking that he now hated dwarves, which mutated into "David Gaider is the reason there's no dwarf romance." fextralife.com/forums/t170075/david-gaider-doesnt-hate-dwarves/I made that thread for the express purpose of referring back to it when this false allegation reared its ugly head again. He even says he would not be opposed to writing a dwarf romance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 17:52:02 GMT
If the comics are being used to introduce the people who will be our new team: Tessa and Charter may be a poly option for female characters. As mentioned above Bioware talked about how programming a poly relationship is a nightmare unless the two are already in a relationship and they invite the PC to join it. Marius will probably be an option for female characters. If I recall he has shown attraction to Calpernia. Ser Aaron could be an option for male players. It would finally m/m players to have their Gay KISA. Vaea maybe will be an option for male players. Maybe she could be the ace/demi option since Bioware has talked about how they have considered it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 18:06:32 GMT
Please, please let it not be from comics. I'd really would prefer all game characters to come from the game. I understand that it is a way to make more money of the fans, but I want a game to be self-sufficient. Comics after the game to give a bunch more stories about chars are okay, but you gotta meet them first and get to know them in the game....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 18:09:48 GMT
Please, please let it not be from comics. I'd really would prefer all game characters to come from the game. I understand that it is a way to make more money of the fans, but I want a game to be self-sufficient. I think the game will still be self-sufficient, just the comics expand on the characters like the books did. And this is just based on the assumption that the comics are introducing us to the "people Solas doesn't know".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 18:11:39 GMT
Please, please let it not be from comics. I'd really would prefer all game characters to come from the game. I understand that it is a way to make more money of the fans, but I want a game to be self-sufficient. I think the game will still be self-sufficient, just the comics expand on the characters like the books did. And this is just based on the assumption that the comics are introducing us to the "people Solas doesn't know". As long as this happens after the game is released, and the characters are met for the first time in the game, that's fine. Otherwise it's bound to generate a subpar dialogues and experiences, because the chars already got a bunch of materials. Like with Michel in Empris du Lion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 18:13:28 GMT
I think the game will still be self-sufficient, just the comics expand on the characters like the books did. And this is just based on the assumption that the comics are introducing us to the "people Solas doesn't know". As long as this happens after the game is released, and the characters are met for the first time in the game, that's fine. Otherwise it's bound to generate a subpar dialogues and experiences, because the chars already got a bunch of materials. Like with Michel in Empris du Lion. I think Bioware learned their lesson from that. For example MEA did a lot better of a job than DAI did. While the Nexus Uprising went into a ton of detail, you still got plenty of information in the game itself rather than it being left sparse due to assuming you read the material.
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Post by Artemis on Sept 25, 2017 18:17:08 GMT
100% sure Gaider said anyone wanting to romance a female qunari was a fetishist.
And I read Asunder. I loved Cole. I wanted to romance him and hoped he'd be an option. I'm not really interested in sex in relationships, although I don't mind it and don't mind playing it (it's usually forced in BioWare games, let's be honest). With Cole, the first asexual relationship could've happened... not everyone who wants a romance with a certain character is a pervert. (And I'm definitely not saying that anyone interested in a sexual relationship with a character and their own character is a pervert either.)
Cole was fascinating, sweet, innocent... and lonely. I wanted to take care of him so badly. I think, and rightly predicted, that sex could eventually be something he would understand and wish to engage in with a beloved person. And yes, I thought this after reading Asunder and before playing DAI. But, again, I was solely interested in a sweet romance -- not sex.
Yet according to Gaider, the ass, I'm a pervert. I'm honestly not sad he's gone, even if he did write my favorite character (Fenris).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 18:17:15 GMT
Hopefully. Well, fingers crossed all characters are "game-exclusive" until at least the release.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 18:31:15 GMT
Hopefully. Well, fingers crossed all characters are "game-exclusive" until at least the release. I doubt it. That has never been the case since Origins. Now I do think while there is stuff that is out before the game, that the first time the PC will meet the characters will be in the game.
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