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Post by colfoley on Sept 9, 2020 23:12:31 GMT
Happy belated Star Trek Day everyone. The new trailer for Discovery s3 is out: Also I listened to some of the panels in the background and I have really high hopes for Strange new Worlds. Sure, there was a lot of marketing blabla but it really feels like the mind of the producers is in the right spot here. They want to go back to a much more classic Trek format and also to more episodic story telling with enclosed episodes. They joked that this is the actual series to come out of the pilot The Cage but if that's the spirit, I am all for it. Fingers crossed. Yeah I mean its Anson Mount's Pike but goodness all this stuff about returning to 'Classic Trek' is mildly concerning. I mean I know it shouldn't and if anything given how they have treated Discovery they'll probably avoid my fears...but I am not a fan of 'episodic' television...and given how Rodenberry portrayed the Federation in TNG and TOS...I was not a fan. Everything from DS9 on has been pretty great Trek but the legacy of TNG and TOS still loom large...and the hypocrisy of the characters, the Federation at large, and not living up to their ideals. I know a lot of people look on 'classic' Trek fondly but I really don't want it to go back to that kind of holier then thou storylines. But then its Christopher Pike and modern Spock...not Picard so it should be fine? *vague thumbs up* (Oh and fortunatley the 'good' Trek has been outnumbering the 'bad' Trek more and more as we get farther and farther away from them. So onto the trailer. The trailer itself was pretty weak, though Burnham's YEEEEEESSS was a joy to behold as well as, kind of, her what later on...and Saru in the chair is always a win...Reno, Stamets, ass kicking Georgiu. But it seems a little...IDK what but I wasn't a huge fan. But I am just so intrigued and hyped for the premise of this new season because something like this has never been done, in Trek. Andromeda did it but then that show became a self parody...and then Kevin Sorbo became a demi god so that barely counts...but hopefully it sticks to the science and more grounded philosophy of the first two seasons and this could really be Burnham's season. Again I know a lot of people call this show 'trash' or 'not keeping with the Rodenberry ideal' but Discovery may be the best representation, to me, of that ideal. That and DS9...whatever its other issues. In season 1 it was challenged and they came through it the other side stronger then ever. In season 2...well season 2 was more a vehicle of getting them to the future but you have Pike personifying Federation values in a way they may never have been personified. And really, actual tolerance for all, all people's and all perspectives have a seat at the table. No trashing religion or twenty first century to make themselves feel better...they have taken a deep look at several philospophical issues from faith and what it means to be 'Starfleet.' And now they are going into a Post Federation world...or atleast a world where those values are on their last embers...the first two seasons will become the basis of their convictions as they try and 'relight the flame'. Can['t wait.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 17, 2020 9:38:21 GMT
Rustling up good old Trek. I remember when I first watched STTMP, I was very excited because I couldn't wait to get back with the old beloved crew. Then it kind of became a mix of; it's draggy, the chars look wonderful, the ship looked great, gee, can't the pace pick up? Anyway, found some fans' work and have to say I love the passion and work put into them.
To get an idea why he arranged the Enterprise departure for ST II the way he did is here in part 5 / 7.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 25, 2020 4:01:09 GMT
Discovery just started airing on CBS proper/ my work TV.
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Post by skekSil on Oct 4, 2020 14:30:31 GMT
Did you know that Kate Mulgrew played Mrs. Columbo in a spin-off series by the same name? And Mr.Columbo had caught Shatner, Nimoy and Koenig during a run of his series?
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Anyone else think that Discovery S3 is sort of like a post-Destroy ME sequel?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 3:03:20 GMT
Anyone else think that Discovery S3 is sort of like a post-Destroy ME sequel? They threw in some omni-tool upgrades too.
So far I'm cautiously optimistic about this season, I enjoyed the episode for the most part. Few neat things to speculate on.
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Post by N7eezo on Oct 17, 2020 10:47:43 GMT
As stated prior, Season 3 it's their last chance to keep me invested in this show. Had low expectations, got positively surprised.
Hope they can put the S1/2 shambles behind them for good and really make good use of the "carte blanche"
While it has some similarities to a post destroy ME, they still have alternate means of FTL travel as I understood, but only limited resources and ships and risky due to not knowing why the Burn happened. as for 3.01 loved the various (new and old) aliens. truth-gassed rambling Burnham was funny, but should have been longer and explaining everything (Season 1 and 2) in a "Marvel Luis" style summary for newbies (instead of the flashback at the beginning) Greenland filming locations were AWESOME!!! Book isn't as superficial as feared, like his backstory so far. Grumpy Grudge Forgot about the future out of bed dude until the end. His speech got me quite emotional. Good opener, season preview looks interesting.
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Post by Kabraxal on Oct 18, 2020 18:51:58 GMT
Well... it wasn’t bad sci fi this time at least. Was worried after the dumpster fire that was Picard that it would be awful. But again, it still feels like I am watching anything but Star Trek. I think it’s just time to call it, put the brand to rest, and let these writers do the sci fi they clearly want to do more than Star Trek.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 20, 2020 16:38:26 GMT
I was pretty convinced that dude was a hologram himself until it was revealed he was actually real. The scene with him an the flag was one of these typical Discovery cringe scenes IMO. They just lay on the pathos way too thick too often I think. Already didn't like that in s1/2.
The episode as a whole was fine. Some things didn't quite compute for me though. So all Dilithium was destroyed in the burn. Since Dilithium is the crystal in the warp core that keeps anti matter contained in the reaction chamber, basically all federation ships had a warp core breach. That mus have been quite the death toll. Book's "a lot of people died" is probably the understatement of the new millennium. BUT: Somehow they make it sound like without Dilithium you can't have warp travel or something? That's weird. The Romulans generate warp fields by drawing power from a contained quantum singularity since at least the 24th century. I cannot believe that tech is not common knowledge at the time of the burn. Also, if Dilithium and thus anti matter reactors are no longer in use, there should be a general energy shortge more than an issue with FTL flight. However it doesn't look like that at all. Given the casual use of personal mobile transporters, cloaking devices, holograms, instant replication and de-replication (or whatever that "i am not an officer" dude did there), it looks like energy is not the issue.
So I am not sure I get it yet.
Anyway, sometimes the episode had almost too much of a Star Wars vibe for me but over all it was ok. Looking forward to the rest of the Discovery crew coming back in though.
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Post by Obadiah on Oct 30, 2020 14:28:45 GMT
I'm late to Picard because it finally came out on Bluray. I finished the series yesterday and got serious Mass Effect's Project Lazarus and Reaper invasion vibes off of the plot resolution. Anyone else suspicious that there was some sort of influence there? Also, there was something really weird/meta about having 7-of-9 (the former sexy eye-candy on Voyager) killing the 2 sexy-vampy female eye-candy antagonists on the series with such prejudice.
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Post by N7eezo on Oct 30, 2020 18:00:55 GMT
After seeing the first 3 episodes of Discovery IMO it has improved to become halfway decent. Loved the Saru/Tilly talk during the walk in Ep2 and generally Burnham is much more "normal" and likeable now. Book is a charismatic and interesting addition, that hopefully won't be just be Burnhams other half only, eventually. You can see that from light years away)
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Post by dazk on Nov 21, 2020 0:03:24 GMT
Just started watching Discovery (first 4 episodes) and am really enjoying it, there have been a few story points which were a bit weak or far fetched but overall I like it.
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Just started watching Discovery (first 4 episodes) and am really enjoying it, there have been a few story points which were a bit weak or far fetched but overall I like it. It gets a lot of hate but I think it has enough interesting aspects to keep things going. There's a lot of foreshadow that I think is reasonably well done too, so it's kind of fun to speculate on a few things.
They have a lot of extremely talented and wonderful recurring cast members that aren't quite billed as main cast too.
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Post by dazk on Nov 21, 2020 0:57:24 GMT
Just started watching Discovery (first 4 episodes) and am really enjoying it, there have been a few story points which were a bit weak or far fetched but overall I like it. It gets a lot of hate but I think it has enough interesting aspects to keep things going. There's a lot of foreshadow that I think is reasonably well done too, so it's kind of fun to speculate on a few things.
They have a lot of extremely talented and wonderful recurring cast members that aren't quite billed as main cast too.
It really is popcorn TV with some interesting ideas but I like the premise and the characters so far. My biggest beef is that in the mutiny case no consideration was given to the fact that Michael was right and hundreds of lives would have been saved if they had done what she said but I see where they are going with the probable whole redemption story.
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It gets a lot of hate but I think it has enough interesting aspects to keep things going. There's a lot of foreshadow that I think is reasonably well done too, so it's kind of fun to speculate on a few things.
They have a lot of extremely talented and wonderful recurring cast members that aren't quite billed as main cast too.
It really is popcorn TV with some interesting ideas but I like the premise and the characters so far. My biggest beef is that in the mutiny case no consideration was given to the fact that Michael was right and hundreds of lives would have been saved if they had done what she said but I see where they are going with the probable whole redemption story. Michael is one of my least favourites, but she changes and it's not a hill I'm dying on. She has potential for growth.
Lorca is my favourite. I like Saru. There's another character in S2 I won't spoil that I think does a great performance. Honestly carries all of his scenes.
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Post by regack on Nov 21, 2020 3:14:45 GMT
It really is popcorn TV with some interesting ideas but I like the premise and the characters so far. My biggest beef is that in the mutiny case no consideration was given to the fact that Michael was right and hundreds of lives would have been saved if they had done what she said but I see where they are going with the probable whole redemption story. Michael is one of my least favourites, but she changes and it's not a hill I'm dying on. She has potential for growth. Lorca is my favourite. I like Saru. There's another character in S2 I won't spoil that I think does a great performance. Honestly carries all of his scenes.
I know I'm late to the party but I've only recently started watching Discovery, because I can't be arsed to pay for CBS All Access just for star trek. Fuck CBS, it's on Netflix everywhere else in the world. *ahem* sorry, uhh, but back on track... now that I have secured the ability to watch the first season I picked it up... and I didn't make it very far the first time, because ... wow... the beginning was just so full of people making stupid decisions it made me want to bash my head against the wall. Now that I'm a little further along... well, people are still making stupid decisions, but I've grown accustomed to what this series is kinda heading towards, and I'm enjoying the ride. I'm at the half-way point in S1. Not sure I actually have anyone I like more than anyone else, or dislike more than any other person, at this point.
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Post by dazk on Nov 21, 2020 3:54:51 GMT
Michael is one of my least favourites, but she changes and it's not a hill I'm dying on. She has potential for growth. Lorca is my favourite. I like Saru. There's another character in S2 I won't spoil that I think does a great performance. Honestly carries all of his scenes.
I know I'm late to the party but I've only recently started watching Discovery, because I can't be arsed to pay for CBS All Access just for star trek. Fuck CBS, it's on Netflix everywhere else in the world. *ahem* sorry, uhh, but back on track... now that I have secured the ability to watch the first season I picked it up... and I didn't make it very far the first time, because ... wow... the beginning was just so full of people making stupid decisions it made me want to bash my head against the wall. Now that I'm a little further along... well, people are still making stupid decisions, but I've grown accustomed to what this series is kinda heading towards, and I'm enjoying the ride. I'm at the half-way point in S1. Not sure I actually have anyone I like more than anyone else, or dislike more than any other person, at this point. That was such a good summary!!!!
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 21, 2020 5:59:11 GMT
Ira Steven Behr's 2 hour documentory on DS9 is now free on youtube.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 27, 2020 13:12:13 GMT
I'm late to Picard because it finally came out on Bluray. I finished the series yesterday and got serious Mass Effect's Project Lazarus and Reaper invasion vibes off of the plot resolution. Anyone else suspicious that there was some sort of influence there? Also, there was something really weird/meta about having 7-of-9 (the former sexy eye-candy on Voyager) killing the 2 sexy-vampy female eye-candy antagonists on the series with such prejudice. You mean because it has an ancient beacon that gives people visions that can drive them crazy, there are rogue androids running around and the big threat is extra-galactic doomsday machines who want to wipe out all organic life in the Milky Way?
Nah, that doesn't sound like Mass Effect at all.
Between the shutterstock art being used in the beacon's vision and the not-Reapers sound effects being suspiciously similar to the Geth, was there anything in Picard that Kurtzman didn't rip off from better science fiction?
Michael is one of my least favourites, but she changes and it's not a hill I'm dying on. She has potential for growth. True, by S3 she's thankfully no longer that complete charisma black hole she was in S1.
Unfortunately Burnham still exerts a strong gravitational influence over the cast that prevents them from escaping her entirely, as well as meaning that whenever she's around, they only exist to orbit her rather than being allowed to be interesting characters in their own right.
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Post by N7eezo on Nov 27, 2020 17:56:11 GMT
despite having the creative freedom this season, which mostly does become the show well, some fun ideas to change the order of things upside down, the writing staff still continue with the annoying over dramatization, too teary and melodramatic ALL THE TIME for my taste.
Terrible stupid small universe syndrome. Why did it have to be Burnham's Mam ugh Also why couldn't they have made Burnham quit Starfleet, which would be in line with her character changes this season, going independent to rebuild the federation, doing things with Books and the princess cat. Would be so much more interesting and offer multiple view points of inside and outside of Starfleet
If that continues in the same vain I'll beam of the Disco for good.
Thankfully there is a new Lower Decks season confirmed, as well as the Strange New Worlds
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Post by dazk on Nov 27, 2020 22:19:13 GMT
So finished season 2 of Discovery, it cost me a lot of reading time and sleeping hours staying up watching it but in a lot of ways it's a very ordinary experience. That is not saying it was bad evidenced by my viewing pattern but it has a lot of holes in it and it jumped the shark several times however I have to say I enjoyed it. Looking forward to season 3 but Netflix in Australia is drip feeding it 1 episode week so I am hopeful they will accumulate and I can watch them all at one time. Moved on to a show I have never heard of, after 3 episodes I am thinking it mayhave been better off not ever hearing of it. Another Life starring Katee Sackhoff (the main draw card for me) had what I thought would be a good premise but OMG the acting, story, SFX if you can clall them that are pretty woeful. I am giving it a chance ATM after Katee Sachoff's character punched one of the other characters in the nose and threw another into an electrical field and killed them. That is truly how bad some fo the writing and other actors are.
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despite having the creative freedom this season, which mostly does become the show well, some fun ideas to change the order of things upside down, the writing staff still continue with the annoying over dramatization, too teary and melodramatic ALL THE TIME for my taste. Plus it demonstrates that the only way Alex Kurtzman and his 20 other producers (seriously, the opening titles spend more time on producers than cast members) could make the show interesting was by utterly burning the whole franchise to the ground and start again, removing most of what made Trek, Trek.
(Why do you really think the universe shattering event was called "the Burn").
It doesn't help either that they're ripping off Andromeda by having the crew be relics from a bygone era that were thrown forward in time, only to discover they've entered the Galactic Dark Ages and now must embark on a mission to restore the Commonwealth Federation.
Another Life starring Katee Sackhoff (the main draw card for me) had what I thought would be a good premise but OMG the acting, story, SFX if you can clall them that are pretty woeful. I am giving it a chance ATM after Katee Sachoff's character punched one of the other characters in the nose and threw another into an electrical field and killed them. That is truly how bad some fo the writing and other actors are. I thought it picked up by the end of S1 personally, but I can see why it's not everyone's cup of tea.
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Post by dazk on Nov 28, 2020 7:00:59 GMT
despite having the creative freedom this season, which mostly does become the show well, some fun ideas to change the order of things upside down, the writing staff still continue with the annoying over dramatization, too teary and melodramatic ALL THE TIME for my taste. Plus it demonstrates that the only way Alex Kurtzman and his 20 other producers (seriously, the opening titles spend more time on producers than cast members) could make the show interesting was by utterly burning the whole franchise to the ground and start again, removing most of what made Trek, Trek.
(Why do you really think the universe shattering event was called "the Burn").
It doesn't help either that they're ripping off Andromeda by having the crew be relics from a bygone era that were thrown forward in time, only to discover they've entered the Galactic Dark Ages and now must embark on a mission to restore the Commonwealth Federation.
Another Life starring Katee Sackhoff (the main draw card for me) had what I thought would be a good premise but OMG the acting, story, SFX if you can clall them that are pretty woeful. I am giving it a chance ATM after Katee Sachoff's character punched one of the other characters in the nose and threw another into an electrical field and killed them. That is truly how bad some fo the writing and other actors are. I thought it picked up by the end of S1 personally, but I can see why it's not everyone's cup of tea.
I am only up to episode 3 so hopefully it picks up as you say.
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