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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 21, 2017 5:37:32 GMT
It's a shame Inky isn't coming back for DA4, because reuniting with Dorian and having it out with Solas would just be so much more meaningful for Inquisitors that romanced them. While I agree (I'm a Dorianmancer), I also think it's unfair to have that much unique content for those Inquisitors because all of the other LIs won't have much of anything. It's kinda like how an Alistair romance (where he is made king) gets a kiss in DAA. At best, I expect there to be a couple of lines for a Dorianmance Inquisitor, and Patrick Weekes said he wants to give closure (but can't promise anything) to Lavallan who romanced Solas, but I don't expect anything too great outside of your typical alternate world state lines.
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Post by shinary on Oct 21, 2017 12:33:15 GMT
It's a shame Inky isn't coming back for DA4, because reuniting with Dorian and having it out with Solas would just be so much more meaningful for Inquisitors that romanced them. While I agree (I'm a Dorianmancer), I also think it's unfair to have that much unique content for those Inquisitors because all of the other LIs won't have much of anything. It's kinda like how an Alistair romance (where he is made king) gets a kiss in DAA. At best, I expect there to be a couple of lines for a Dorianmance Inquisitor, and Patrick Weekes said he wants to give closure (but can't promise anything) to Lavallan who romanced Solas, but I don't expect anything too great outside of your typical alternate world state lines. I will say this, if Lavallan, who romances Solas, gets some extra content in the next game its not like they are playing favourites. Solas did have the least amount of romance content in the entire game.
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Post by nvanfleet on Oct 26, 2017 23:31:21 GMT
And not all dalish have a irish accent - that's mostly just Merrill. Oh pardon my nerdiness but actually Merrill's accent is Welsh, same as Solas Torchwood Alumni for the win! I kind of wish they'd get John Barrowman and Burn Gorman, and then put all 4 of them together in some sort of side-cameo atlernaverse Torchwood reunion.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 29, 2017 12:20:45 GMT
It's a shame Inky isn't coming back for DA4, because reuniting with Dorian and having it out with Solas would just be so much more meaningful for Inquisitors that romanced them. While I agree (I'm a Dorianmancer), I also think it's unfair to have that much unique content for those Inquisitors because all of the other LIs won't have much of anything. It's kinda like how an Alistair romance (where he is made king) gets a kiss in DAA. One of the reasons that I would prefer for DA4 to have a new protagonist instead of continuing with my Inquisitor is that I think there's approximately zero chance that they would include an adequate reaction to Blackwall's potential death. (Or Iron Bull's, for that matter, but my Bull-riding Inquisitor got his happy ending so that's less of a concern for me personally.) I'd expect it to end up like Thane in ME3 all over again, frankly.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 29, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
But don't you get a chance to emote about that in the actual game? It's not like the epilogue death of Blackwall. In addition, the next game will likely take place a while after Trespasser. I feel ya, though. I'm still pissed I couldn't emote about losing the arm.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 31, 2017 1:30:32 GMT
But don't you get a chance to emote about that in the actual game? I have no idea, since my Bull-mancing Inquisitor rode him happily into the sunset . I still feel like if the Inquisitor were the protagonist of DA4 and had the opportunity to start a new romance, there should at least be 'my last boyfriend betrayed me and I killed him' dialogue options.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 31, 2017 5:25:07 GMT
I still feel like if the Inquisitor were the protagonist of DA4 and had the opportunity to start a new romance... I don't think they would do this. I know it was a thing in the ME games with new romances, but I just don't see Dragon Age starting that trend in a fourth game. In addition, the Dorian romance (because Solas is unlikely to appear outside of climactic scenes) is the only one that could actually have any sort of breakup scene, whereas all the rest (including two possible marriages!!) would be relegated to a Dear John/Jane letter.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 31, 2017 22:03:02 GMT
I still feel like if the Inquisitor were the protagonist of DA4 and had the opportunity to start a new romance... I don't think they would do this. I know it was a thing in the ME games with new romances, but I just don't see Dragon Age starting that trend in a fourth game. In addition, the Dorian romance (because Solas is unlikely to appear outside of climactic scenes) is the only one that could actually have any sort of breakup scene, whereas all the rest (including two possible marriages!!) would be relegated to a Dear John/Jane letter. I think that IF the Inquisitor were the main protagonist for DA4, they'd have to give them the chance to start a new romance, if only for the sake of new players who never played DAI. And then you have the question of whether people who are already locked in with someone from DAI are allowed to break up with them by 'Dear John' or forced to stay committed to a character they may not even see in a hundred hours of new gameplay. (I mean, I do not think this will be an issue because I don't expect the Inquisitor to be the sole protagonist of DA4. This is one of the many reasons why.)
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 10, 2017 21:15:31 GMT
My Warden -whether its Female Amell or Female Surana- ALWAYS Crown Alistair alone, and stay on as his Mistress and Chancellor. A relationship doesn't have to result in Marriage in order to be a happy one. My human male Inquisitor always goes for Cass. And again, they remain together and happy. My Male mage Hawke however, refuses point-blank to get involved with anyone. At the end of the day, all of these things come down to PLAYER CHOICE: The very thing people on this forum are always complaining about the lack thereof.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 10, 2017 22:10:17 GMT
My Warden -whether its Female Amell or Female Surana- ALWAYS Crown Alistair alone, and stay on as his Mistress and Chancellor. A relationship doesn't have to result in Marriage in order to be a happy one.That's my feeling as well. I've never had an issue with the "mistress" option when I used to romance Alistair. However, I think my perception of that is just something I grew up with from my personal life experience. In addition, an influential work of fiction for me, Dune, has a very similar situation. In that novel, you have a Duke together with a concubine that he truly loves, the mother of his heir. He remains unmarried to her in order to give other noble families the possibility of a potential union. However, since his concubine is basically regarded as his life partner anyway, by pretty much everyone, the illusion is rather pointless. I imagine Alistair and his non-Cousland Warden in a similar situation. In addition, I rather doubt their relationship is a secret and think that the general populace would think it was totally awesome and romantic that their king, a former Warden himself, has a romantic relationship with the Hero of Ferelden. You can't get any better than that, really -- it's way better than Lancelot and Guenevere. I also look at it in a practical way. My character is the one that makes the choice*, even when Alistair proclaims that he has no desire to be king. If you are willing to make Alistair suffer for what you perceive is the good of Ferelden (presumably because you don't like Anora), then I think it's a bit hypocritical to not accept a sacrifice of your own in return. In this case, the player makes their own bed and must lie in it. And hey, at least the game allows for those various options. They could very well have written it without the ability for a non-Cousland Warden to remain together at all. * I actually take the choice out of my character's hands by having Alistair duel and kill Loghain, as I dislike being forced to make the choice directly in the game itself. However, it still is the player making that choice. I've come to realize that I tend to look at these things in a different way than many other players.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 10, 2017 22:18:29 GMT
My Warden -whether its Female Amell or Female Surana- ALWAYS Crown Alistair alone, and stay on as his Mistress and Chancellor. A relationship doesn't have to result in Marriage in order to be a happy one.That's my feeling as well. I've never had an issue with the "mistress" option when I used to romance Alistair. However, I think my perception of that is just something I grew up with from my personal life experience. In addition, an influential work of fiction for me, Dune, has a very similar situation. In that novel, you have a Duke together with a concubine that he truly loves, the mother of his heir. He remains unmarried to her in order to give other noble families the possibility of a potential union. However, since his concubine is basically regarded as his life partner anyway, by pretty much everyone, the illusion is rather pointless. I imagine Alistair and his non-Cousland Warden in a similar situation. In addition, I rather doubt their relationship is a secret and think that the general populace would think it was totally awesome and romantic that their king, a former Warden himself, has a romantic relationship with the Hero of Ferelden. You can't get any better than that, really -- it's way better than Lancelot and Guenevere. I also look at it in a practical way. My character is the one that makes the choice*, even when Alistair proclaims that he has no desire to be king. If you are willing to make Alistair suffer for what you perceive is the good of Ferelden (presumably because you don't like Anora), then I think it's a bit hypocritical to not accept a sacrifice of your own in return. In this case, the player makes their own bed and must lie in it. And hey, at least the game allows for those various options. They could very well have written it without the ability for a non-Cousland Warden to remain together at all. * I actually take the choice out of my character's hands by having Alistair duel and kill Loghain, as I dislike being forced to make the choice directly in the game itself. However, it still is the player making that choice. I've come to realize that I tend to look at these things in a different way than many other players. You've basically put into words, my exact thoughts on the subject. And I agree, I don't believe my Amell or Surana - would be this dark secret Mistress who's kept hidden. SHE'S the Hero, the one who saved everyone. I might be a bit twisted in this, but I think the Mistress ending is much more Romantic, and holds much more potential than Queen Cousland, WHO I dislike because its far too fairy tale for me. As for Loghain: I could never keep Alistair from dueling him.
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 11, 2017 10:11:06 GMT
I guess it depend on perception: I can't help but feeling, since my Warden was a city elf, that becaming a mistress would not be different than being perceived as little more than the private prostitute of the king. Even if is not the case in Alistair and Tabris relationship, my Tabris would not be fine with it. Plus, after all that happened to her, and the life she lived in the alienage, I liked the idea of giving my Warden the most happysh ending I could. Plus, let's face it: from less than a peasant, to queen: that would have been quite a story, for me.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 13, 2017 0:01:46 GMT
I guess it depend on perception: I can't help but feeling, since my Warden was a city elf, that becaming a mistress would not be different than being perceived as little more than the private prostitute of the king. Even if is not the case in Alistair and Tabris relationship, my Tabris would not be fine with it. Plus, after all that happened to her, and the life she lived in the alienage, I liked the idea of giving my Warden the most happysh ending I could. Plus, let's face it: from less than a peasant, to queen: that would have been quite a story, for me. It would also be selfish, and is the reason I dislike the Cousland Origin and their ability to become Prince/Queen consort. David Gaider stated that it is IMPOSSIBLE for two Wardens to have Children. So by the Warden marrying Alistair, you're basically ensuring that no Heir will be procured. If all Origins were able to be Royalty, the same problem would ensure.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 13, 2017 2:20:49 GMT
It would also be selfish, and is the reason I dislike the Cousland Origin and their ability to become Prince/Queen consort. David Gaider stated that it is IMPOSSIBLE for two Wardens to have Children. So by the Warden marrying Alistair, you're basically ensuring that no Heir will be procured. If all Origins were able to be Royalty, the same problem would ensure. Eh, that doesn't really matter, as Alistair himself shows a willingness to throw all that out (if he's hardened). Even if he were willing to attempt to sire an heir with some other woman, there is no guarantee that his blighted sperm would take, anyway.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 13, 2017 2:27:56 GMT
It would also be selfish, and is the reason I dislike the Cousland Origin and their ability to become Prince/Queen consort. David Gaider stated that it is IMPOSSIBLE for two Wardens to have Children. So by the Warden marrying Alistair, you're basically ensuring that no Heir will be procured. If all Origins were able to be Royalty, the same problem would ensure. Eh, that doesn't really matter, as Alistair himself shows a willingness to throw all that out (if he's hardened). Even if he were willing to attempt to sire an heir with some other woman, there is no guarantee that his blighted sperm would take, anyway. Sure. BUT an Alistair who is married to the Warden. What then? AND he ISN'T WILLING to have sex with others. Where did you get that from?
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Post by morir_a_solas on Nov 13, 2017 3:13:50 GMT
Eh, that doesn't really matter, as Alistair himself shows a willingness to throw all that out (if he's hardened). Even if he were willing to attempt to sire an heir with some other woman, there is no guarantee that his blighted sperm would take, anyway. Sure. BUT an Alistair who is married to the Warden. What then? AND he ISN'T WILLING to have sex with others. Where did you get that from? unless the warden succeeds in finding that cure it seems that Kieran will be the heir to the throne if he exists.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2017 5:09:03 GMT
Eh, that doesn't really matter, as Alistair himself shows a willingness to throw all that out (if he's hardened). Even if he were willing to attempt to sire an heir with some other woman, there is no guarantee that his blighted sperm would take, anyway. Sure. BUT an Alistair who is married to the Warden. What then? AND he ISN'T WILLING to have sex with others. Where did you get that from? If he is hardened, he is. We see that with a hardened Alistair agreeing to have a threesome with a female Warden and Isabela.
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Post by Domakir on Nov 13, 2017 6:51:55 GMT
Sure. BUT an Alistair who is married to the Warden. What then? AND he ISN'T WILLING to have sex with others. Where did you get that from? unless the warden succeeds in finding that cure it seems that Kieran will be the heir to the throne if he exists. Didn't the devs said there wasn't going to be an heir no matter the outcome of the Landsmeet? I don't remember who said it but I think I've read this somewhere.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 13, 2017 9:26:31 GMT
Sure. BUT an Alistair who is married to the Warden. What then? AND he ISN'T WILLING to have sex with others. Where did you get that from? If he is hardened, he is. We see that with a hardened Alistair agreeing to have a threesome with a female Warden and Isabela. That is entirely optional and assumes the Warden, not only goes to the Pearl but speaks to the wench. Its not like he goes to the whore house himself, and CHOOSES to engage in the activities there. He's brought there.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 13, 2017 9:28:54 GMT
unless the warden succeeds in finding that cure it seems that Kieran will be the heir to the throne if he exists. Didn't the devs said there wasn't going to be an heir no matter the outcome of the Landsmeet? I don't remember who said it but I think I've read this somewhere. Yes. It was David Gaider. The creator and OWNER of Dragon Age.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 13, 2017 9:32:27 GMT
Sure. BUT an Alistair who is married to the Warden. What then? AND he ISN'T WILLING to have sex with others. Where did you get that from? unless the warden succeeds in finding that cure it seems that Kieran will be the heir to the throne if he exists. There is that. BUT a Warden Queen should be home tending the throne, not running off to far away places. And given how monarchy works, I doubt she'd be ALLOWED to do such a thing anyway.
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Post by Domakir on Nov 13, 2017 10:23:52 GMT
Didn't the devs said there wasn't going to be an heir no matter the outcome of the Landsmeet? I don't remember who said it but I think I've read this somewhere. Yes. It was David Gaider. The creator and OWNER of Dragon Age. He isn't anymore but I doubt Bioware is going to use Kieran for this. First, because he is optional and he doesn't exist in the majority of the worldstates, and second, because he is probably a mage, and that automatically discards him as heir.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 13, 2017 10:28:30 GMT
Yes. It was David Gaider. The creator and OWNER of Dragon Age. He isn't anymore but I doubt Bioware is going to use Kieran for this. First, because he is optional and he doesn't exist in the majority of the worldstates, and second, because he is probably a mage, and that automatically discards him as heir. I agree. But at the time when the statement was made, David owned Dragon age. It was HIS baby/creation. He's the one who came up with this world we love, and it was a friend of his who knew someone at Bioware -before EA got involved- who thought it would make great games. And here we are And yes, we won't see Kieran again!
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Post by Domakir on Nov 13, 2017 10:46:49 GMT
He isn't anymore but I doubt Bioware is going to use Kieran for this. First, because he is optional and he doesn't exist in the majority of the worldstates, and second, because he is probably a mage, and that automatically discards him as heir. I agree. But at the time when the statement was made, David owned Dragon age. It was HIS baby/creation. He's the one who came up with this world we love, and it was a friend of his who knew someone at Bioware -before EA got involved- who thought it would make great games. And here we are And yes, we won't see Kieran again! You're right, and although EA could do whatever they want, I think a bald depressive elf who wants to destroy the world is a more important issue than an empty throne. Lol. I would like to see him again tbh. He is my warden's son but yes, that's not gonna happen. I only hope Bioware has with a good excuse this time since it's obvious Morrigan is going to appear again. I didn't like the one they gave in DAI for my warden to be away of his family, although I would like a cure for the Calling. I don't like my characters to die if I don't choose it.
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