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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 13, 2017 18:42:38 GMT
You needn't have equated all BioWare fans with myself. phoray and many more fans on this site quite enjoy the Witcher. I am more of an outlier than anything. And I do not consider my dislike of it irrational either. I wasn't the one doing the lumping. OP disregarded your opinion, for it obviously matched that of the -other irrational fans-. Oh did you think I was lumping Jade in with the other Bioware fans? Oh no I was merely making a comment on my experience with some Bioware fans in the past, not specifically stating that Jade was in fact one of them, I do remember there was a rather large portion of Bioware fans who refused to even play a Witcher game especially around the time the games came out, but I am sure Jade has her own perfectly rational reasons as to why she does not enjoy the Witcher much. I apologize if you misconstrued my post but unfortunately I can't control how others interpret the meaning of my words, perhaps in the future you might want clarify before assuming the worst.
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I wasn't the one doing the lumping. OP disregarded your opinion, for it obviously matched that of the -other irrational fans-. Oh did you think I was lumping Jade in with the other Bioware fans? Oh no I was merely making a comment on my experience with some Bioware fans in the past, not specifically stating that Jade was in fact one of them, I do remember there was a rather large portion of Bioware fans who refused to even play a Witcher game especially around the time the games came out, but I am sure Jade has her own perfectly rational reasons as to why she does not enjoy the Witcher much.. I have helpfully provided this responce in regards to my reasons to abstain from playing Witcher in defence on my cognitive ability. bsn.boards.net/post/904173
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 13, 2017 18:52:18 GMT
I wasn't the one doing the lumping. OP disregarded your opinion, for it obviously matched that of the -other irrational fans-. Why should I bother to take time out of my life to answer their question when I'm a Bioware Fan? Such an odd thing to find on a Bioware forum, that. I'm not interested in anyone's opinion being dismissed purely on assumptions. I wanted OP to know that I came here, read the OP, was considering an answer while reading replies. And then saw them being a rude ass. And left. I don't entirely disagree, but the style was combatitive of the get go, so I expected the judgment. Irrational is not that bad vs what you'd normally would be called when voicing a dissenting opinion on Witcher, actually. But, yes, yes, the by extension clause should not have been used. I was cringing more over the long paragraph on AC and explaining how the later games will apparently be more to my liking if I indeed liked the AC1... while ironically being displeased at making assumptions. I did spare y'all a passionate speech on the merits of AC that I was at first compelled to make. Alas, I could not as judiciously decline the opening to speak on DA3 subject, as it was deliciously ironic, because the assumption the op I believe hoped to beget a "no, no, but, but..." has resulted in resounding: "yes, your guess is correct" The answer I hoped to get was an honest one and considering that Dragon Age: Inquisition is the exact antithesis to what you described it would be most logical to assume that you would not be a fan, however I never assume which is why I asked the question, I sure hope you weren't answering the question based on the answer you thought I hoped you would give? Do you honestly think my intentions here are so impure? I am not sure what I have done to warrant such suspicion?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 13, 2017 18:58:49 GMT
Oh did you think I was lumping Jade in with the other Bioware fans? Oh no I was merely making a comment on my experience with some Bioware fans in the past, not specifically stating that Jade was in fact one of them, I do remember there was a rather large portion of Bioware fans who refused to even play a Witcher game especially around the time the games came out, but I am sure Jade has her own perfectly rational reasons as to why she does not enjoy the Witcher much.. I have helpfully provided this responce in regards to my reasons to abstain from playing Witcher in defence on my cognitive ability. bsn.boards.net/post/904173Yes I did see that post and I can understand and even relate to your dislike of some of the aspects of the Witcher games as I alluded to in this post bsn.boards.net/post/904190Especially the rigidly defined main character, of course there are other aspects of the game I enjoy that allows me to overlook this aspect and enjoy it regardless however these may not appeal to you and that is perfectly fine, I am not sure why you feel so defensive over this? But I am sure the other people on this forum would rather discuss the topic at hand, but I am glad I could clear up the misconception.
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I don't entirely disagree, but the style was combatitive of the get go, so I expected the judgment. Irrational is not that bad vs what you'd normally would be called when voicing a dissenting opinion on Witcher, actually. But, yes, yes, the by extension clause should not have been used. I was cringing more over the long paragraph on AC and explaining how the later games will apparently be more to my liking if I indeed liked the AC1... while ironically being displeased at making assumptions. I did spare y'all a passionate speech on the merits of AC that I was at first compelled to make. Alas, I could not as judiciously decline the opening to speak on DA3 subject, as it was deliciously ironic, because the assumption the op I believe hoped to beget a "no, no, but, but..." has resulted in resounding: "yes, your guess is correct" The answer I hoped to get was an honest one and considering that Dragon Age: Inquisition is the exact antithesis to what you described it would be most logical to assume that you would not be a fan, however I never assume which is why I asked the question, I sure hope you weren't answering the question based on the answer you thought I hoped you would give? Do you honestly think my intentions here are so impure? I am not sure what I have done to warrant such suspicion? Oh, non, no, it was completely sincere. Here is my full original review of all 3 DA games from last March, immediately upon completion, confirming my dislike of it. You will have to take on trust that my first handle on this forum was domi. But, really, only an author of a thread that old and inconsequential would remember posting it, lol. bsn.boards.net/post/434285/thread
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Oh, I can't believe I left this off my list!
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Oh, I can't believe I left this off my list! Alpha Protocol! completely forgot about this game. man, this game was fun when it first game out.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 13, 2017 19:09:39 GMT
Oh, I can't believe I left this off my list! Alpha Protocol! Yeah I would absolutely love to see some sort of Alpha Protocol/Deus Ex (more Deus Ex than Alpha Protocol though) game using the James Bond licence as the setting. Old school Bond with the gadgets and misogyny though, not the new Daniel Craig "I'm gonna use my fists to solve my problems" Bond.
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Oh, I can't believe I left this off my list! Alpha Protocol! completely forgot about this game. man, this game was fun when it first game out. It still is!
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Of traditional crpgs and games that haven't been mentioned? I loved Lionheart: Legacy of Crusaders, it's a fantasy action crpg set in our medieval history. More oriented on combat, especially in second half, which a lot of people did not like. First Deus Ex received an overhaul mod recently, I'd give that a try if you haven't already. Visually it did not age well, but when you "adjust", it's still one of the best. If you liked Witcher III, then I'd try Gothic II...basically the same as what I said above. Also, Enderal, mod overhaul from Skyrim is criminally underlooked...probably has best open world exploration, levelling system to date( much, much better overall than Skyrim, imo).
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There are also the RPGs I’m planning to play next and which sound good from what I’ve been able to gather. Planescape: Torment gets a lot of praise, and a game that’s primarily about dialogue rather than combat is bound to appeal to me. Divinity: Original Sin 2 is the bee’s knees these days, so chances are I’ll give it a spin sooner rather than later. There aren’t a lot of historical RPGs out there, so I want to try out Expeditions: Viking as well. Recently I found out about Stygian: Reign of the Old Ones, about which I made a thread a couple days back; with any luck it will be the Lovecraftian RPG we’ve all been waiting for. And as I said, I want to give Tyranny a chance eventually, maybe even play Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire after it comes out. I tried its predecessor Expedition: Conquistadors and didn't care for it. But I've been hearing that Vikings is a great improvement. I may have to try that at some point.
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There are also the RPGs I’m planning to play next and which sound good from what I’ve been able to gather. Planescape: Torment gets a lot of praise, and a game that’s primarily about dialogue rather than combat is bound to appeal to me. Divinity: Original Sin 2 is the bee’s knees these days, so chances are I’ll give it a spin sooner rather than later. There aren’t a lot of historical RPGs out there, so I want to try out Expeditions: Viking as well. Recently I found out about Stygian: Reign of the Old Ones, about which I made a thread a couple days back; with any luck it will be the Lovecraftian RPG we’ve all been waiting for. And as I said, I want to give Tyranny a chance eventually, maybe even play Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire after it comes out. I tried its predecessor Expedition: Conquistadors and didn't care for it. But I've been hearing that Vikings is a great improvement. I may have to try that at some point. I haven’t played Conquistador, but I understand it is more of a strategy game with RPG elements? I’ve seen it compared to Heroes of Might and Magic more than anything else. I believe Viking is supposed to be more along the lines of an old school CRPG.
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Post by Serza on Oct 15, 2017 15:14:47 GMT
Being their first game doesn't excuse the first Witcher from being literally the polar opposite of what a fun RPG should be.
Fetchquest galore, uninteresting story, poor characters, irrelevant choices, combat is worthy of projectile vomiting, and just to add insult to injury, they retcon ANY AND ALL choices you make in TW2 anyway.
BioWare gets flak for their choices mattering in the sequels, but all I see in Witcher is irrelevance to the point of "Why did they even include this then?" If you're lucky. If you're not it's just a plain old retcon.
But I digress. After all, what would you expect from the Pathfinder but the ugly truth?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 15, 2017 15:49:12 GMT
Being their first game doesn't excuse the first Witcher from being literally the polar opposite of what a fun RPG should be. Well no but that is besides the point, I mean you can have whatever opinion you want on the first game but the point was never "you should give the first game a higher score than it deserves because it is the studio's first game" but rather "you can't judge the rest of the series based on the first game in the series especially considering it was the studio's first game". The first game had a lot of problems however if you are basing your opinion of the entire series on that one game then you are missing out as the sequels managed to make huge improvements on pretty much every aspect and ended up having some of the best video game storytelling in recent years. Bioware gets flak for a lot of things and a lot of it is deserved, if you are wondering why the Witcher series does not receive as much flak for choices not carrying over as much from each game as you would like it is because there are so many other positive aspects of the games that are done so well that they completely outshine the negatives, Bioware's latest games on the other hand just leave a bad taste in peoples mouths, the problem of choices from previous games not carrying over as well is usually just the tip of the iceberg about to sink the Bioware ship.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 15, 2017 16:07:24 GMT
Being their first game doesn't excuse the first Witcher from being literally the polar opposite of what a fun RPG should be. Fetchquest galore, uninteresting story, poor characters, irrelevant choices, combat is worthy of projectile vomiting, and just to add insult to injury, they retcon ANY AND ALL choices you make in TW2 anyway. Did you seriously play the game? The game has a lot of that "european jank", but there are a lot of positives around it. Ambiance, OST and world design is absolute top tier. While story has very uneven pacing, I find it anything but "uninteresting" especially toward the end. Combat is nothing special, but far from terrible...imo, I enjoyed it more than in KOTOR, but less than Jade Empire. First Witcher I see as something like Masquerade Bloodlines, a very, very flawed gem that has it's own unique "feel" that no other game really managed to capture .
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Post by Serza on Oct 15, 2017 16:19:54 GMT
Actually, I can. It never changed.
But that is not what you wanted to hear, is it...
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Post by Serza on Oct 15, 2017 16:22:47 GMT
Being their first game doesn't excuse the first Witcher from being literally the polar opposite of what a fun RPG should be. Fetchquest galore, uninteresting story, poor characters, irrelevant choices, combat is worthy of projectile vomiting, and just to add insult to injury, they retcon ANY AND ALL choices you make in TW2 anyway. Did you seriously play the game? The game has a lot of that "european jank", but there are a lot of positives around it. Ambiance, OST and world design is absolute top tier. While story has very uneven pacing, I find it anything but "uninteresting" especially toward the end. Combat is nothing special, but far from terrible...imo, I enjoyed it more than in KOTOR, but less than Jade Empire. First Witcher I see as something like Masquerade Bloodlines, a very, very flawed gem that has it's own unique "feel" that no other game really managed to capture . 45/62/250, actually. W1/W2/W3 respectively, of course.
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Post by jclosed on Oct 15, 2017 16:34:41 GMT
Strange that nobody mentions the Gothic series here (and the Risen series too). It's one of the most known European RPG's
Admitted - the combat is clunky, but also based on your skills. You start as an absolute nobody with no skills at all. If a rain worm coughs at you, you lose half of your health. But the story, the persons you meet, the fractions, the politics and interactions are all great. I have sunk hours and hours in every game. Admitted - Risen 2 was the weakest of the bunch, but still nice to play.
Gothic 1 has strange controls, and you have to take time to adapt to it. The graphics are also hugely outdated, but under all that stuff is a great game. Gothic 2 was one of the best of the series. Gothic 3 really has to be played with the community patch and graphic enhancements. The Risen series are good enough without any modifications. All of the games run great on all Windows versions (I own Windows 10 now, and the only games I have not yet tested are Gothic 1 and 2, but I have heard they run good).
And there is a new game in this series coming next Tuesday (October 17th), and it's a scy-fy/fantasy version of Gothic with improved graphics. Some YouTubers already playing it. It is called ELEX, and I am sure going to play it the coming time - No doubt about that.
Apart from the Gothic series I also like the Divinity series. I am now playing Divinity 2 (no - that's not the same as Divinity Original Sin 2, although it's from the same developer), with the fan-made graphic enhancement pack. It's a really good game, although it shows it's age.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 15, 2017 16:40:32 GMT
Actually, I can. It never changed. But that is not what you wanted to hear, is it... Sorry you might want to clarify, what is it you can do? What never changed? And what was not what who wanted to hear?
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Divine Divinity. It's like Diablo and Oblivion had a baby. Larian's first game and a highly underrated classic. Flexible class based system, tons of freedom and open ended gameplay, and huge maps so it basically feels open world. I'm actually not a fan of how goofy Larian got with the recent sequels and prefer the style of the first game.
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Actually, I can. It never changed. But that is not what you wanted to hear, is it... Sorry you might want to clarify, what is it you can do? What never changed? And what was not what who wanted to hear? The way I read his post in the context he reiterates that he can judge Witcher series based on the first instalment, and compare it to the sequels; and that the series did not change in its essence. I agree that in its essence, in what's important to me, Witcher 3 is no different from Witcher 1, and that is why I can't wait for them to switch the gears. BioWare tried a lot more approaches in its first decade of existence, while CDRP stagnated on the same game, producing it three times. Obsidian, despite repeating the same essential plot in Torment, NWN2 and Kotor 2 at least eventually moved on from "you have been a horrible, horrible person before. Start again!" But CDPR? Three Geralts in... they stagnated early on, earlier than Bio did when they locked into their two franchises. And even then BioWare did break out of the mold b/c at least we had SWTOR, and ME franchise was different from their previous work, and they at least attempted to keep DA fresh by changing up the protagonist and trying to tell a larger story of a world. CDPR is yet to produce an actual video game imo. So far they put out a somewhat interactive telenovela. There is nothing wrong with it, and countless millions loved it. Hats off for managing to keep the audience enthralled. But as proud as they are of re-inventing the wheel, I truly hope they would actually fix that perfected wheel to a carriage and ride it. BioWare made a few games at least. Some liked them, some did not. Again, nothing wrong with it. So, maybe wheels were wobbling at times. And once in a while they were underinflated. But it was a wild ride and mostly to some really cool places.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 17, 2017 16:38:32 GMT
Ok a lot of interesting opinions there, not sure I understand the logic behind all of them, might need further explanation.
I am sure he could try to argue that but it would make me wonder if he actually played the games with an open mind (let alone at all) or whether he had already formed his opinion before playing it, got his butt kicked at the first fight in the game and threw up his hands and said "yep this confirms my prejudices" and threw in the towel.
Depends what you mean by "essence" as I don't see how anyone who has actually taken the time to play the games can say that each new game in the series was the same as the last except for perhaps in overall setting and general tone which are the 2 things that you would expect to stay consistent from sequel to sequel. Apart from that from game to game there was some pretty massive improvements, but I think I touched on that in an earlier post so I wont repeat myself, if you can't see the changes from game to game you either gotta be blind or not looking.
And while I hate to shift the focus back to Bioware's shortcomings, however since you bought it up I would argue that there was less growth and change between new series created by Bioware than there was between games within the same series for CD Project Red, ok maybe not in Bioware's earliest days there was quite a lot of differences in their early games and they weren't afraid to try new things and go against the grain, however KOTOR onwards they sort of fell into a comfortable rut and their games took a far more formulaic approach, while the combat (though the combat was always shallow and never the draw of a Bioware game) and environments did change from game to game everything else about them remained pretty much the same, same story beats, same mission structure, same character archetypes, have you not seen the Bioware trope chart?
And here I need to ask what your definition of a "video game" is, because if the Witcher games don't qualify then I am pretty sure most AAA games would get disqualified as well.
Also what is it about Bioware games that qualify them as "games" where the Witcher games do not?
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I specifically stated "in the first decade of BioWaRE's existence". The first decade the way I see it is somewhat loosely corresponds to 1997-2007, in which time period, BioWARE branched out into Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, NWN, KOTOR and ME, all of which delivered different settings and styles of play. Even in the later years, BioWARE did SWTOR as opposite to their two franchises, ME and DA. DA, indeed, was hardly an innovation on Baldur's Gate, but ME and SWTOR was different. Now, they are again experimenting with Anthem... at least in terms of variety of settings and characters BioWaRE is not stagnant, and have developed their own.
The main difference that for me distinguishes a video-game from all other forms of electronic, literary or dramatic entertainment, it is the game providing me with the means to be co-creative participant rather than a passive observer who just gets entertained by the actions of characters conceived by an author. The game has a covenant of me providing the main character while the developer supplies adventures for my character to experience, and, as much as possible to impact the course of the story. Co-creation is the major element that BioWARE is very strong on, allowing the player to both straightforwardly create the character, and head-canon a whole bunch of things as the game progresses to add to co-narration. This is what I do not find in the Wicther, because it is doubly restricted by the novels-are-canon and character-is-Geralt with no option to even make him look differently. If BioWARE produced their FR games were you played-as-Drizzt and followed Salvatore's novels, romancing Cattie-Bri and being friends with Bruenor, instead of playing a Bhaalspawn who had his or her own adventure and picked his or her friends, I would not be considering it a proper game either.
This act of co-creation and me contributing the lead character is what attracted me to gaming in the first place & that is what I still value, how the story attains new facets around each new character each time I play, the character that is interesting to me personally, not another writer. I tried a couple of "passive observer" games as well and my mind simply turns off and stays passive like when I watch a TV show, instead of building the context and layers of extra content when I play what I call a game. The best I've managed so far was to feel motherly towards Altair.... Not many people value co-creation, so there is not many games like that. I will never "get" using a pre-canned protagonist in the games that allow you to create your own, but they will never understand what I am whining about when Geralt is so awesome and you can still pick choices in quests. It does not strictly tie to customization alone. DA3 was one BioWARE game where despite customization there was not enough story points to interact with for me to build my own ethos around the game.
When I pay for a game, I pay for being allowed to be a content creator. When I pay for a TV channel or a book, I pay to admire other's work. If a passive game is fascinating enough, I'd try it (hence I purchased a few of the AC games). Witcher is not interesting to me personally as passive entertainment (and it actually shares that quality with the Dragon Age franchise) along with not having purely logistic elements I like. It does not qualify as a co-creative project (unlike Dragon Age), that's why I did not purchase it.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 17, 2017 18:29:16 GMT
Can we PLEASE DROP THE WITCHER ARGUMENTS!?
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