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Post by talyn82 on Oct 8, 2018 22:28:52 GMT
Nah, for me it's his voice. It's so monotone. Geralt reminds me of Sheldon from early seasons of "The big Bang Theory", or Eugene from "The Walking Dead." They all sound cold and emotionless. Put it this way remember the tranquil Owain in Dragon Age Origins? I expect Geralt to be paired with him in the next DA game. They're both dead basically just shells with no soul. Well, I suppose there is nothing to be gained by discussing personal perception. I found DAI's Inquisitor the most lifeless plank of wood, which is especially odd since there is an actual "emotion wheel" in the game. But except for that one moment in Trespasser, selecting "Angry" for example game me "Neutral with a slight hint of briefly sulky". Exactly it's all about personal perception. If you enjoy Geralt and the games that's great! You won't become my online nemesis. I won't harass you either. It's just for me he didn't do anything special. Meaning we didn't click. Since I thought this was a thread about opinions I posted mine here. I did not expect to explain myself in BSN court.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 8, 2018 22:39:26 GMT
Are you serious? You think I went too far? I guess you're new to the internet? Welcome! Or if not I guess you're a Shepard/Geralt fan boy/girl. True I never played ME2 and ME3 but the first one was enough for me to see the series was not for me. The only characters I liked were Wrex and Tali, I loathe male Shepard. Since I don't play females I never tried female Shepard besides her being voiced by the talented Jennifer Hale. As for the Witcher. I played the first one cause at the time everyone and their mother was saying how good it was. I played it and found it boring due to Geralt. Geralt is a dull emotionless robot with no personality. Why did I try the second one? Well same thing. The game was better than the first I enjoyed the characters like Dandelion the Dwarf and Triss. I also enjoyed the lore. But Geralt was the same boring emotionless robot as in the first. Plus I never payed for both Witcher and Witcher 2 games I got them for free from GoG.com, And I do not refuse free games. I never played Witcher 3, but saw enough in the first two to know that I was not going to enjoy it. Self-parody 1 / Reading comprehension 0. I wasn't sure asking was a good idea, but now I see it was totally worth it. Whatever why post a thread if you can't handle your beloved game being criticized. I like FO4, and Elderscrolls and I've seen many people who bash them. Do I single them out? No. A couple of posts above my initial post some posted they thought vampire games and elderscrolls were overrated games with no explanation. Why didn't you single them out.
Whatever just don't quote me or respond to me and I won't do the same with you. We obviously dislike each other.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 8, 2018 22:44:23 GMT
Middle Earth Shadow of MordorA fascinating premise, and a neat concept. The nemesis system, on paper, was a really original and innovative idea, and indeed this is generally a good game in many respects. It gets repetitive very, very quickly though. After playing for maybe twelve hours I started to find the endless, and generally identical battles against hordes of generic Orcs was getting old real fast. The boss fights continued to hold my attention, but I just started to get the sense that the game wasn't really going anywhere. Don't even get me started on the side quests. All in all I think that many of the reviewers who gave it gushing 9/10 reviews were guilty of the usual trick of only playing it for a few hours, never finishing it, and then phoning in the score. Fallout New VegasThe battalions of very loud, very vocal Obsidian fans tend to present this one literally as the second coming. After playing it you'd expect to find Christ hovering at your left side, bowing to the game in absolute respect, and showering your computer with gold frankincense and myrrh while a heavenly choir of angels trumpeted a requiem to the unblemished, pristine, indescribable brilliance of Fallout New Vegas and Obsidian Software. In reality though what we have is a pretty decent Fallout 3 expansion pack that improves on a couple of things in the original, but also takes a bit of a back step in other areas. The plot is decent, the characters are well-thought-out, the voice acting is excellent. Some of the creatures are ridiculously overpowered and annoying to fight, and you're often railroaded against your will into making choices you don't want to make; choices that defy all logic, and run contrary to what your character would typically do in such circumstances - all because Obsidian are well known for making 'dark' 'edgy' games, filled with grey-area moral choices; which largely involves being shunted into picking a scenario that sucks for all concerned on the basis that it might suck slightly less than the alternative sucky decisions. That's OK, Bethesda did a similar thing in Fallout 4's main story. Is it a good game? Yes, absolutely, I'd certainly replay it. Is it the pinnacle of gaming excellence nonparallel that Obsidian fanboys make it out to be? - Absolutely not. The game's pretty flawed in many respects. I personally prefer Fallout 3, and I also prefer Fallout 4. LOL, I like NV but found your post about it hilarious in a good way. I am an NV and Obsidian fan in general and even I admit some fans go overboard. But yeah, your post was funny especially the part of expecting Jesus to show up.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 9, 2018 5:02:11 GMT
Exactly it's all about personal perception. If you enjoy Geralt and the games that's great! You won't become my online nemesis. I won't harass you either. It's just for me he didn't do anything special. Meaning we didn't click. Since I thought this was a thread about opinions I posted mine here. I did not expect to explain myself in BSN court. You're right of course, and I apologize if anything I said came across as rude. We're all on the same side here - we like games and discussing them. Have a good one!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 9, 2018 6:34:15 GMT
Do you have a link to Sapowski saying Yennefer was his favorite? A friend who read a lot of his interviews told me that but I have no link, I'm afraid.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 9, 2018 22:01:25 GMT
(this is also the kind of conundrum I'd rather avoid by not reading his books, I know I liked the games, I already know that I wouldn't like certain elements of his books, so I really prefer to keep the version of this world that I enjoyed) I generally agree to let each depiction stand on its own merits and avoid cross contamination, but in this case I read most of the books long before I played the games, and I wasn’t about to forego playing the games on this principle alone. So now that I have both depictions to compare, the temptation to compare is too great to resist, even though I realize it’s a bit of a disservice to both.
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Post by melbella on Oct 10, 2018 1:53:58 GMT
Tbh, I don't think it's fair to describe Yen as a "bitch" even in the game. Sorry but yeah, she is, especially when not agreed with or romanced. She's also vindictive and petty. And she's just as bitchy in the books based on what I've read so far.
Re: Triss, I'm currently reading Blood of Elves, where she is introduced. So far she's a baby Yen, basically telling all the dumb witcher men-folk how things should be done. She's kinda like that in the first game - 'cause still a member of the Lodge - but I agree she's much different in 2 and 3. Maybe CDPR thought it would be a good idea to have at least one nice person in the world?
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 10, 2018 1:57:05 GMT
Tbh, I don't think it's fair to describe Yen as a "bitch" even in the game. Sorry but yeah, she is, especially when not agreed with or romanced. She's also vindictive and petty. And she's just as bitchy in the books based on what I've read so far.
Re: Triss, I'm currently reading Blood of Elves, where she is introduced. So far she's a baby Yen, basically telling all the dumb witcher men-folk how things should be done. She's kinda like that in the first game - 'cause still a member of the Lodge - but I agree she's much different in 2 and 3. Maybe CDPR thought it would be a good idea to have at least one nice person in the world? You gotta read through the whole series to really gain an appreciation for his characters, especially Yen and Triss as they both have serious flaws.
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Post by melbella on Oct 10, 2018 2:04:04 GMT
You gotta read through the whole series to really gain an appreciation for his characters, especially Yen and Triss as they both have serious flaws. I'm gettin' there. I've been sidetracked by Diablo 3 for the current book, and still need to buy the rest.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 10, 2018 19:25:16 GMT
Sorry but yeah, she is, especially when not agreed with or romanced. She's also vindictive and petty. And she's just as bitchy in the books based on what I've read so far.
Re: Triss, I'm currently reading Blood of Elves, where she is introduced. So far she's a baby Yen, basically telling all the dumb witcher men-folk how things should be done. She's kinda like that in the first game - 'cause still a member of the Lodge - but I agree she's much different in 2 and 3. Maybe CDPR thought it would be a good idea to have at least one nice person in the world? You gotta read through the whole series to really gain an appreciation for his characters, especially Yen and Triss as they both have serious flaws. Agreed. The worst of everyone comes out in the Time Of Contempt, apropos the title.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 10, 2018 19:34:44 GMT
Sorry but yeah, she is, especially when not agreed with or romanced. She's also vindictive and petty. And she's just as bitchy in the books based on what I've read so far. Kind of a stereotype that a woman driven almost entirely by ambition for power comes across as bitchy. She’s vindictive and petty, for sure, but so is every other powerful character in both game and books, particularly other sorcerers and sorceresses. Compared to Vilgefortz and Philippa Eilhart, Yen is a bleeding heart sentimentalist.
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Post by melbella on Oct 11, 2018 0:25:57 GMT
Sorry but yeah, she is, especially when not agreed with or romanced. She's also vindictive and petty. And she's just as bitchy in the books based on what I've read so far. Kind of a stereotype that a woman driven almost entirely by ambition for power comes across as bitchy. She’s vindictive and petty, for sure, but so is every other powerful character in both game and books, particularly other sorcerers and sorceresses. Compared to Vilgefortz and Philippa Eilhart, Yen is a bleeding heart sentimentalist.
None of that is my issue with her. It's her attitude toward people. She never asks for anything....she orders, even when she has no right to. If you don't agree with her or do exactly what she wants the way she wants, she gives you an attitude about it. It doesn't matter if she's right or wrong or somewhere in between.....she just treats people, even ones she supposedly cares for, like trash.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 11, 2018 8:53:41 GMT
Even though I'm a huge Witcher fan, I gotta admit I felt the same way about Geralt when I played W2 waaaay back before I read the books. I found him emotionless and boring and his voice *is* awful. He is MUCH more emotional in W3. They finally got it right, and of course knowing how VERY emotional and sentimental book Geralt really is, it was a joy being able to play him exactly like that. As a deeply moral caring person. And his voice is supposed to be unpleasant! That's the problem of turning novels into visual media. They are more shallow by default. And when you have characters like Geralt who are not outwardly emotional but instead internalize a lot of their pain, that's not going to translate well... And so A LOT of gamers never understand Geralt's character and his incredible bond with Ciri and Yennefer. Especially Yennefer whom they didn't do justice imo. CDPR made Triss into this heroic character she never was in the novels. Which is btw a major factor why Sapowksi is so bitter. Yennefer is his favorite character and gamers call her a bitch and pick that idiot Triss. But I digress. Did they call her a bitch? Well, of course some did - some always do - but are there any data on how W3 players perceived Yennefer? I found her much more compelling than Triss, but then, I'm not typical in my appreciation of characters who have a streak of consequentialism.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 11, 2018 9:03:14 GMT
As for overrated games, I'll have to mention Divinity: Original Sin, which I'm currently playing and where I'm about halfway through. It *is* a good game, but especially with regard to roleplaying, significantly overrated and far behind, for instance, Pillars of Eternity. Most dialogue is information-dumping and the new element - disgreements between the two main characters - while quite compelling, are resolved awkwardly and often lead to results undesirable for any player (for instance, rejecting quests completely). It never felt like you have an in-depth-discussion, which POE manages to convey very well. Also, the writing is so over-the-top that you can't take anything seriously.
So, I am enjoying the game and don't regret having bought it, but it remains below the expectations I had from all the hype around it. DOS2, which I've also started but not played enough for serious commentary, starts somewhat promising.
What I do like in both games is the turn-based combat. No surprise since I'm also a fan of XCOM. It has some quirks that take some getting used to, but after you've passed the worst inclines of the learning curve it's quite enjoyable.
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Post by melbella on Oct 11, 2018 12:15:36 GMT
None of that is my issue with her. It's her attitude toward people. She never asks for anything....she orders, even when she has no right to. If you don't agree with her or do exactly what she wants the way she wants, she gives you an attitude about it. It doesn't matter if she's right or wrong or somewhere in between.....she just treats people, even ones she supposedly cares for, like trash. Yeah, that's an attitude that comes across as simply childish. You'd think that a sorceress like her is at the very least subtle and sophisticated enough to understand basic psychological manipulation...
You know, maybe that's actually part of her charm in that she doesn't manipulate....she just says what she wants (rudely, in most cases) and you can do it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 10:32:32 GMT
In reality though what we have is a pretty decent Fallout 3 expansion pack Oh friend, I suggest you to play Far Cry 3 and 4, or any FIFA... then you will see a real "expansion pack" I mean, if your "expansion pack" idea is "they hadn't to make a whole new game from the start", you can apply that on a lot of games out there. Hell, following this logic Fallout 3 is a reskin pack of Oblivion.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 14, 2018 15:40:31 GMT
Did they call her a bitch? Well, of course some did - some always do - but are there any data on how W3 players perceived Yennefer? I found her much more compelling than Triss, but then, I'm not typical in my appreciation of characters who have a streak of consequentialism. I read it a lot yes. And if I hadn't read the books I would have gone with Triss. I liked her in the games. In the novels she's a backstabbing naive idiot and it takes her a long time to sort of redeem herself. But in the game she treats Geralt way better than Yennefer! Game Yen is early story arc Yen before she came to terms with her feelings for Geralt. I will never understand why they completely bypassed her character development in W3... Book Yen is a very kind hearted person whose icy exterior melts when Ciri enters her life. Time Of Contempt has amazing tender Ciri/Yen moments. Hell, even the Lodge doesn't buy her mock indifference at some point. Yennefer stops treating Geralt like crap halfway through the story? Then in the game she's back to bitch mode. Very frustrating. So I can't blame players for not getting what an epic love story Geralt/Yen is. It's not that well presented. The game focuses too much on Geralt/Ciri when the original story is more about Ciri healing the hole in Yennefer's heart. Yen is the one who craved a family and being infertile made her VERY bitter. And she lashed out at Geralt who even if *he* wasn't infertile too wouldn't have been able to give her a child either way. Once Yen had her surrogate daughter power meant nothing to her anymore. It's really quite a conservative story about family being the most precious thing we can have. Triss has no place whatsoever in this story! (Come at me Witcher haters, I don't care! *g*)
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 14, 2018 17:54:28 GMT
Time Of Contempt has amazing tender Ciri/Yen moments. True, making Yen's betrayal of Ciri at Thanedd all the more shocking. And that betrayal sets up so much of what follows: Geralt being furious with Yen and almost getting himself killed trying to save Ciri, Triss gaining the moral high ground over Yen for once -- Triss did a lot of shitty things before that but never would have betrayed Ciri, and Yen spending the rest of the books trying to atone for the ambition that overrode her burgeoning maternal feelings for Ciri. Once Yen had her surrogate daughter power meant nothing to her anymore. I wouldn't say that. There's still Vilgefortz to deal with, after. If for no other reason to protect Ciri, power still has meaning for Yen. I agree about the theme of family -- Regis and Angoulême being other additions to Geralt's fam -- but I don't agree that Triss has no place. She basically plays the role of contrast -- young and inexperienced, and therefore the antithesis of cruelty and ruthlessness exemplified by the crones of the Lodge -- and makes the mistakes of youth and divided loyalty. If it weren't for Triss, we'd have no yardstick to measure the rest of the Lodge against. She's supposed to be relateable to ordinary humans, and as such, highly flawed. With respect to family, she's obviously a competing love interest for Geralt, but also plays a "big sister" role to Ciri once or twice. Which also puts her into conflict with Yen, on two fronts. Say what you may about Sapkowski as a person, but as a writer, he's damn good when it comes to characters and telationships.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 15, 2018 4:33:32 GMT
Yennefer didn't betray Ciri. She made a grave error in judgement trying to protect Ciri which horribly backfired. Triss is the one who backstabs Yen when she stupidly sides with the mages because she ate up their nonsense because she was so naive. Yennefer understood what an evil man hating bitch Philippa was but sweet Triss didn't for the longest time, being a righteous SJW if we want to use modern terms. Yennefer's objective was always to protect Ciri but she didn't realize what a monster Vilgefortz was. Geralt saw it coming. Yennefer thought she could control the situation but turns out she was very wrong. As for Triss, she is not a romantic rival in the books at all. Geralt has no lingering feelings. Triss is this creepy lovesick girl who can't let him go. Geralt is busy saving his family. Triss serves a purpose as a character, yes. Getting radicalized by the Lodge. The misguided good person who gets manipulated. But she has no place in the family dynamic. Her role in the plot is small. And Yennefer never really forgives Triss her betrayal. Both in trying to steal her man and siding with the mages over some very evil shit. Yennefer's political ambitions fade as she gains a family. At that point she just tries to keep them save. She wrongly thought she could keep playing the politics game as a neutral party and influence Ciri's future positively. But Vilgefortz had other plans. It took almost losing Ciri for her to realize how beyond redemption these people were. Geralt wanted to get far away from all of it. He never had any faith in them. Yennefer being used to being in control thought she could outsmart them. By the end of the story Geralt's simple man dream of retiring with his two girls and living an honest modest life finally becomes her dream too. And they have their happy ending in the Blood and Wine DLC at least... It's the most beautiful tragic love story I've ever read. The message of these novels is profound. The games are fun fan fiction but they can't capture the brilliance of this character drama. It may not be the most original lore and even the characters are heavily influenced by other famous fantasy novels (Elric saga, Black Company). However, Sapkowski's genius lies in his very effective very sentimental emotional storytelling. His talent for capturing the human condition and saying the most insightful things is amazing. And that ending... poetic in the most horrible way. (Mods: Feel free to move this discussion to the Witcher thread!)
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 15, 2018 20:13:06 GMT
Yennefer didn't betray Ciri. She made a grave error in judgement trying to protect Ciri which horribly backfired. Grave error in judgment is putting it mildly. I don’t think Geralt or Ciri would agree with that characterization. Protect Ciri by exposing her medium abilities to that nest of vipers? With full knowledge of the prophecy and what those vipers would do about it? Over Geralt’s objections? I don’t think you should let Yen off the hook that easily. What Yen believed were her motives and what the reader may reasonably believe were her motives are two different things. And that is what contributes to that error in judgment. I have no argument with your points about Triss, except for below, but Triss’s betrayal doesn’t somehow mitigate Yen’s. They both fucked up. But not only that. No character has unalloyed motives, that’s what makes them interesting and flawed. You don’t think there was just a little bit of parental pride going on as well, showing off what a great sorceress her surrogate daughter was going to be? After a life driven entirely by ambition? I agree Ciri catalyzes a change in Yen for the better, but as they say, a unicorn doesn’t change its stripes over night. Uh if Triss is not a romantic rival, why would Yen even think that Triss was trying to “steal her man?” Look, I agree with most of what you said, I just think you’re downplaying Triss’s attempts to be a big sister figure, like at Caer Morhen. If you think Geralt or Yen took no notice of that, I won’t argue.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 16, 2018 8:37:37 GMT
Grave error in judgment is putting it mildly. I don’t think Geralt or Ciri would agree with that characterization. Protect Ciri by exposing her medium abilities to that nest of vipers? With full knowledge of the prophecy and what those vipers would do about it? Over Geralt’s objections? I don’t think you should let Yen off the hook that easily. What Yen believed were her motives and what the reader may reasonably believe were her motives are two different things. And that is what contributes to that error in judgment. Did Yennefer know exactly what Vilgefortz was up to at this point? The details are a bit foggy to me, I admit. I thought she didn't and trusted Tissaia, her former mentor. So what do YOU think her motives were? What you wrote below? Of course she was proud of Ciri and wanted to groom her into a powerful sorceress. And Ciri liked the idea. She WANTED to be like Yennefer. But how does that equal betrayal? Didn't Yennefer and Tissaia want to prevent a full blown war by exposing who was behind the attack? They used Ciri, yes. But to prevent war. Hence a grave error in judgement, things got only worse after that. To me betrayal is deliberately screwing somebody over for your own gain. And that's not what happened imo. Yennefer GROSSLY overestimated her influence and status among the mages. That vanity is her flaw. She meant to make Ciri a powerful sorceress, not hand her over to be abused by Vilgefortz. I meant, she wasn't any real competition because Geralt never loved her. He was not conflicted at all. He was more annoyed than anything that she ran after him. That Yennefer resented what Triss did doesn't mean that there was an actual love triangle. In the novels there is no moment where Geralt decides to dump Triss for Yennefer like in the game. He always wanted Yennefer but she kept dumping him so he drowned his sorrow in the company of other women.
And yes, Triss always tried to insinuate herself into the lives of Geralt, Yen and Ciri. It looks rather pathetic though imo and doesn't mean that she matters to the family story thematically. Geralt likes her as a person well enough. She's not a bad person. Her feelings for Geralt are unrequited though and he tells her that and she eventually accepts it. So not an actual rival imo.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 16, 2018 23:27:05 GMT
Guys, just move the discussion to TW thread. Naw, that’s for the game. They hate book debates just as much. But message received. I’ll stop with the OT stuff.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 18, 2018 11:23:39 GMT
The Witcher 2 - Don't get me wrong, this was a good game. However, it's definitely the worst of the trilogy. I see people all over the place acting like it was better than the first Witcher or even the Witcher 3. I found it to be too short and its plot, while interesting, had some pacing issues. The plot dint really start off with the fucking QTEs in the way.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 8, 2019 14:54:06 GMT
I've never played the other God of War games, but the first one is highly overrated
The story is quite a copy of Hercules, the combat is somewhat interesting (although you can finish the whole game with square + square + triangle) and some of the puzzles (especially jump puzzles) are VERY annoying.
Another series of games that is very overrated: Assassin's Creed
The story is always very simple, poorly told, and the characters are really shallow and stereotypical. The only one I really liked was Revelations. I stopped playing at AC 3, which was one of the worst games I've ever played.
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Post by fredvdp on Jan 10, 2019 13:41:21 GMT
Another series of games that is very overrated: Assassin's CreedA lot of people say that Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag is the best in the series, but I thought it was too repetitive. Too many missions that were 'clear this camp of enemies', or 'steal this', or 'follow this guy'. It was an okay game, but I expected more after all the praise
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