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Post by dragontartare on Nov 25, 2017 19:34:51 GMT
So far:
Serza: 4
nvanfleet: 2
Space Cowboy: 1
Gervaise21: 3
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 19:40:33 GMT
In the meantime I am going to change my vote from Serza to Gervaise21I know you are unfamiliar with this world so I doubt any clue I could give you would help sway your decision. However, I would appeal to your logic and ask why you are changing to me? You appear to be following Serza's lead, having originally been suspicious of Serza. That makes little sense. As Luketrevelyan says, if Nvanfleet is hinting at being a particular role and telling the truth, then we would not want to lose that person, either through a straight vote or at the toss of a coin. If Serza is who he claims to be, then we don't really want to lose him either and there is the possibility we could lose two crew members as a result instead of just one. Anyway, I am going to give a clue for the benefit of all. I am like Mary Poppins when I measure up (PPIEW). (Obviously if you haven't seen Mary Poppins this will mean nothing to you). I would definitely recommend examining some of the other vague claims that have been made. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 19:44:42 GMT
Gerva Some votes are meant to be investigative rather than accusing.
I'm not catching a link between you or Serza working with others. So far it seems to me that those actively participating aren't guilty as they keep changing votes back and forth.
I'm starting to get suspicious of the quiet ones.
By the way, no one answered my question as to who is claiming who.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 20:05:59 GMT
I'm starting to get suspicious of the quiet ones. Then change your vote to them rather than me. Only one more needs to vote for me and we have a tie breaker situation again. How can following the vote of Space Cowboy and Serza be an investigative vote? The former targeted me because I voted for them. Serza then followed suit because I stopped a tie breaker between Serza and Nvanfleet. Then you swapped from Serza to me. Believe me, if I am voted off it is not going to look good for any of you. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 20:09:47 GMT
Gerva Some votes are meant to be investigative rather than accusing. I'm not catching a link between you or Serza working with others. So far it seems to me that those actively participating aren't guilty as they keep changing votes back and forth. I'm starting to get suspicious of the quiet ones. By the way, no one answered my question as to who is claiming who. Serza seemed to be hinting that Tali was voting against him. Then Space Cowboy responded that may be Tali had to vote that way.
At that point in time the only candidates for Tali would be Luketrevelyan, Space Cowboy and you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:16:10 GMT
Because if one of the people up on a wavering chopping block has a partner that partner might move in/change a vote to save them.
Obviously, the villains won't do it now that they know my vote was meant to be provocative. I was keeping an eye on this thread to change my vote again if you went up to a tie.
In any case, it doesn't look to me like Serza or you have partners or they hadn't had a chance to consider a change of vote since you began shaking me about this vote.
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Gerva Some votes are meant to be investigative rather than accusing. I'm not catching a link between you or Serza working with others. So far it seems to me that those actively participating aren't guilty as they keep changing votes back and forth. I'm starting to get suspicious of the quiet ones. By the way, no one answered my question as to who is claiming who. Serza seemed to be hinting that Tali was voting against him. Then Space Cowboy responded that may be Tali had to vote that way.
At that point in time the only candidates for Tali would be Luketrevelyan, Space Cowboy and you.
How would Wrex know that Tali is voting against them?  Isn't Tali the only one in the pair who knows their target? |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 20:28:18 GMT
At least you didn't get kicked off your home world by a bunch of toasters.
This was the hint about being Tali that Wrex was going on.
If my understandings are correct, Tali is voting againist me... Unfortunate. But we must consider who is more suspicious. The man who hasn't said a single word so far, or the man who has more than proven his loyalty to the little runt's Battlemaster? Tali would have little choice if Legion was voting the other party.
This exchange followed later. It is what I questioned and what led to them both attacking me.
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At least you didn't get kicked off your home world by a bunch of toasters.
This was the hint about being Tali that Wrex was going on.
If my understandings are correct, Tali is voting againist me... Unfortunate. But we must consider who is more suspicious. The man who hasn't said a single word so far, or the man who has more than proven his loyalty to the little runt's Battlemaster? Tali would have little choice if Legion was voting the other party.
This exchange followed later. It is what I questioned and what led to them both attacking me.
I still don't get Serza's logic.  It says that Tali can't vote same target as whoever the Legion person is. Wouldn't that make Luke, myself and Space not Tali because we all voted in pack (and luke didn't change his vote). How can Serza know Tali is voting them when the pack votes mostly stayed on him and those voters don't appear to be Tali. Edit: Ah wait... Space then is claiming to be Tali? If Space is in fact Tali, than neither me nor luke are Space's target because he voted with us. |
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 25, 2017 20:37:50 GMT
At least you didn't get kicked off your home world by a bunch of toasters.
This was the hint about being Tali that Wrex was going on.
If my understandings are correct, Tali is voting againist me... Unfortunate. But we must consider who is more suspicious. The man who hasn't said a single word so far, or the man who has more than proven his loyalty to the little runt's Battlemaster? Tali would have little choice if Legion was voting the other party.
This exchange followed later. It is what I questioned and what led to them both attacking me.
Thanks for explaining the clue to adonniel  I didn't think it was fair for me to do it since for me, the "clues" are so obvious. |
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 25, 2017 20:39:42 GMT
This was the hint about being Tali that Wrex was going on.
This exchange followed later. It is what I questioned and what led to them both attacking me.
I still don't get Serza's logic. It says that Tali can't vote same target as whoever the Legion person is. Wouldn't that make Luke, myself and Space not Tali because we all voted in pack (and luke didn't change his vote). How can Serza know Tali is voting them when the pack votes mostly stayed on him and those voters don't appear to be Tali. Space was hinting that he is Tali, if I remember correctly. That was the comment about toasters taking over his home world. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 20:41:35 GMT
I still don't get Serza's logic. It says that Tali can't vote same target as whoever the Legion person is. Wouldn't that make Luke, myself and Space not Tali because we all voted in pack (and luke didn't change his vote). How can Serza know Tali is voting them when the pack votes mostly stayed on him and those voters don't appear to be Tali. Space Cowboy argued that Tali could vote ahead of Legion provided that they changed their vote if Legion voted for the same person. Otherwise they could just stay where they were. However, he was answering Serza's criticism with the defence that Legion was voting for the other party. At the time he voted for Serza there was nobody else who had been voted for. So Space Cowboy was at liberty to vote for anyone else other than Legion (whose identity they ought to know). Yet he voted for Serza. So clearly he was either suspicious of Serza or a spy.
Maybe he was just getting cold feet and didn't want Serza taking him down with them if they proved to be the genuine Wrex.
However, I decided to questions the validity of the exchanges and used it to justify my change of vote to Space Cowboy. Then Space Cowboy objected to my logic and changed their vote to me. Then Serza followed suit simply because my change of vote had stopped the tie breaker with Nvanfleet.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 25, 2017 20:50:47 GMT
I've sort of wondered if the reason this day is dragging on so long is that Tali and Legion ended up voting together and we've been waiting for Tali to switch. If those roles are really both in the game then I know of 7 roles for sure. That leaves only a 1/3 chance for Serza being good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:53:01 GMT
Gerva Ah I see. Apparently a bunch of invading toasters are to blame for my confusion. In that case I wander whose votes Space must dodge - clearly not mine of Luke's. Tali seems like a difficult claim to keep up. I'm wandering if Luke might be Diana? There is another person claiming invest so it doesn't look like Luke found it out via investigation. Luke seems pretty bent of sending Serza off with the packed bags. p.s. As familiar as I am with Lady Poppins, I haven't the foggiest who you claim hence I have no idea which one of these characters is like her.  |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 21:02:18 GMT
I'm wandering if Luke might be Diana? There is another person claiming invest so it doesn't look like Luke found it out via investigation. Luke seems pretty bent of sending Serza off with the packed bags. Except Luke tends to reason things out rather than simply jump with the rest. Smilesja (Kaidan) originally voted for Serza and their bravery as Virmire survivor is meant to carry weight with the rest of the crew. It was after seeing this that Luke felt emboldened to vote for Serza. I was questioning whether Diana Allers was even present because I didn't get any vibes initially that someone was particularly pressing the vote for Serza (or anyone else). Luke has been defending the vote for Serza but using logical enough arguments that it could be genuine. |
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 25, 2017 21:02:26 GMT
I've sort of wondered if the reason this day is dragging on so long is that Tali and Legion ended up voting together and we've been waiting for Tali to switch. If those roles are really both in the game then I know of 7 roles for sure. That leaves only a 1/3 chance for Serza being good. Not to confirm or deny your suspicion, but the day is dragging on for two simple reasons: 1. I'm not home, and I don't want to type the narrative on my phone. 2. This debate is fascinating  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 21:04:19 GMT
1.spy
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3.Garrus
4.Liara
5.Miranda
6.Kaidan - smiles out
7.my role
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8. Wrex - Serza claim
9. Space - Tali?
10. Legion - xxxx person space should avoid?
Durr... then there is no more room for any other inno role claims since the chart is filled up.
Providing we have Tali and Legion... or both spies can pretend to be Tali and Legion ... seems convenient...
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I'm wandering if Luke might be Diana? There is another person claiming invest so it doesn't look like Luke found it out via investigation. Luke seems pretty bent of sending Serza off with the packed bags. Except Luke tends to reason things out rather than simply jump with the rest. Smilesja (Kaidan) originally voted for Serza and their bravery as Virmire survivor is meant to carry weight with the rest of the crew. It was after seeing this that Luke felt emboldened to vote for Serza. I was questioning whether Diana Allers was even present because I didn't get any vibes initially that someone was particularly pressing the vote for Serza (or anyone else). Luke has been defending the vote for Serza but using logical enough arguments that it could be genuine. Actually, I'm wandering if Smiles was swayed by Luke. Luke mildly hinted first that he finds Serza's behaviour different than usual and only then Smiles' vote because known. Then Luke said he's glad he isn't the only one who felt it and went ahead to vote Serza. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 21:09:17 GMT
p.s. As familiar as I am with Lady Poppins, I haven't the foggiest who you claim hence I have no idea which one of these characters is like her. I didn't think you would but it was more for other people. However, given your knowledge of Lady P, have you worked out what PPIEW stands for? |
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Except Luke tends to reason things out rather than simply jump with the rest. Smilesja (Kaidan) originally voted for Serza and their bravery as Virmire survivor is meant to carry weight with the rest of the crew. It was after seeing this that Luke felt emboldened to vote for Serza. I was questioning whether Diana Allers was even present because I didn't get any vibes initially that someone was particularly pressing the vote for Serza (or anyone else). Luke has been defending the vote for Serza but using logical enough arguments that it could be genuine. Actually, I'm wandering if Smiles was swayed by Luke. Luke mildly hinted first that he finds Serza's behaviour different than usual and only then Smiles' vote because known. Then Luke said he's glad he isn't the only one who felt it and went ahead to vote Serza. In terms of the timing of events, they happened so close together (5 minutes) I'm not sure whether there would've been time for smilesja to see that, contact dragontartare, and have that posted. Particularly since there was a writeup attached to it. It is hard to say for sure though. |
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p.s. As familiar as I am with Lady Poppins, I haven't the foggiest who you claim hence I have no idea which one of these characters is like her. I didn't think you would but it was more for other people. However, given your knowledge of Lady P, have you worked out what PPIEW stands for? Pie and Popcorn International Event Worldwide? |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2017 21:17:54 GMT
If those roles are really both in the game then I know of 7 roles for sure. Please enlighten us, Luke. Which 7 roles are in game for certain (assuming that Tali and Legion are both present)? |
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Pie and Popcorn International Event Worldwide? No! Practically _ _ _ _ _ _ _ in every way. Fill in the missing word. |
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 25, 2017 21:22:34 GMT
If those roles are really both in the game then I know of 7 roles for sure. Please enlighten us, Luke. Which 7 roles are in game for certain (assuming that Tali and Legion are both present)? Garrus, Miranda, and Liara are guaranteed. Kaidan was eliminated. Tali and Legion (hypothetical...I've seen some indication for each via comments) Another role I can't speak of. |
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Pie and Popcorn International Event Worldwide? No! Practically _ _ _ _ _ _ _ in every way. Fill in the missing word. What is this a word scrabble? /counts letters - 5 /counts _ _ for letters - 7 Is this a trick to get me to unscramble a word of 5 letters in 7 letter way? p.s. Still - P PIEW Edit: LOL Ohhh we're talking about HER quote, not some vague ME terminology ( like a nickname of some bionic arm standing for power pwning invention the ownership of which leads you to a character clue). What does her iconic quote have to do with ME character? |
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