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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 4:32:40 GMT
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Post by romice on Mar 19, 2018 6:35:11 GMT
Actually... I'll change my vote from pela to Space Cowboy. I agree that pela has been under fire a lot lately, mostly without reason, other than she's a good veteran player. And I might have completely spaced on the fact that we new a role last night, and the spies would want to eliminate it
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Post by fylimar on Mar 19, 2018 7:06:56 GMT
Why is all about pela now, how she gehts targeted for being a good Veteran player? She got targeted because I agree with adonniel, that it is strange that pela points fingers on someone, dragon wanted team up on. I had 3 suspects: space, pela and romice. - space voted very soon for dragon and I overlooked that. It would be fooloish to vote for a fellow spy, because everthing in round 1 can lead to a bandwagon - pela pointed fingers at romice, on whom dragon wanted to start a bandwagon - romice made the shadow comment that I do dismiss at the moment, because I was wrong with Space and VS too. I'm not that good with roles in ME as I already said I'm not set on pela, but for now, from all 3 suspects, she looks the most suspicious to me. I myself can't really say anything to my defense, my role would become useless, if I give too much info and anyway, teh only two guaranteed good characters are out. You will see, what I mean, when I get voted out - which btw is something, that happen to me often too. Ok I get more often kileld at night, but still. I think, the last time, I made it to the end of a game was with Josie and that was just dumb luck. And no, I'm not complaining, just saying, we are mostly the same bunch in every game, so you feel as if you get targeted often, but look at romice or Moonae, who are also very often natural suspects. Plus seeking compassion for getting voted out often, is something spies used as a tactic more than once in the past - just saying And one last word pelassarias: You are actually my least naturally suspicious player, simply because you are very consistent most of the time. TBH when I was Liara, I investigated you first, but that was just to clear you and to have a reliable ally. I was not suspicious of you. But I find it strange, that you voted cowboy and pointed fingers at romice. And I know, that I'm a dead woman walking, because of course you will switch your vote from space to me and I don't take it personally. But if it is a misunderstanding, then I suggest going through past posts again and maybe we get to the bottom of it
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 19, 2018 9:38:44 GMT
I am now thinking I should extend the voting deadline because after my little jibe things started happening.
As everyone still has the potential for at least one voting change and several people have made their case for the prosecution/defence since I set the deadline yesterday, which resulted in voting changes, I am going to push it back another 12 hours so everyone gets a chance to read the posts that have been made in the previous 12 hours.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 19, 2018 12:20:06 GMT
Why is all about pela now, how she gehts targeted for being a good Veteran player? She got targeted because I agree with adonniel, that it is strange that pela points fingers on someone, dragon wanted team up on. I had 3 suspects: space, pela and romice. - space voted very soon for dragon and I overlooked that. It would be fooloish to vote for a fellow spy, because everthing in round 1 can lead to a bandwagon - pela pointed fingers at romice, on whom dragon wanted to start a bandwagon - romice made the shadow comment that I do dismiss at the moment, because I was wrong with Space and VS too. I'm not that good with roles in ME as I already said I'm not set on pela, but for now, from all 3 suspects, she looks the most suspicious to me. I myself can't really say anything to my defense, my role would become useless, if I give too much info and anyway, teh only two guaranteed good characters are out. You will see, what I mean, when I get voted out - which btw is something, that happen to me often too. Ok I get more often kileld at night, but still. I think, the last time, I made it to the end of a game was with Josie and that was just dumb luck. And no, I'm not complaining, just saying, we are mostly the same bunch in every game, so you feel as if you get targeted often, but look at romice or Moonae, who are also very often natural suspects. Plus seeking compassion for getting voted out often, is something spies used as a tactic more than once in the past - just saying And one last word pelassarias: You are actually my least naturally suspicious player, simply because you are very consistent most of the time. TBH when I was Liara, I investigated you first, but that was just to clear you and to have a reliable ally. I was not suspicious of you. But I find it strange, that you voted cowboy and pointed fingers at romice. And I know, that I'm a dead woman walking, because of course you will switch your vote from space to me and I don't take it personally. But if it is a misunderstanding, then I suggest going through past posts again and maybe we get to the bottom of it When did I want to start a bandwagon on anyone, especially romice?? The only thing I talked about was saving Reed from early elimination, due to being new. I voted for moon not to join a bandwagon, but because she had the most votes at the time other than me. I didn't even realize she was Liara at the time. I certainly wasn't intending to start a bandwagon (and didn't).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:23:39 GMT
During round 1 voting, everyone was getting 1 vote, then Dragon upset the balance by adding a 2nd vote onto Space. It's one thing to vote against your partner where it's safe and completely another to set them up as the primary candidate for elimination by giving them majority of the votes with yours. That's way too risky and convoluted a plot to serve to establish evil partner's alibi. Space is most likely innocent. - Dragon votes for Space due to "random number generator." (We know Dragon was evil at this point, potentially means Space is not evil depending on if Dragon knows who the heroes are or not at this point?) Dragon didn't just vote, she gave Space vote majority.
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Post by fylimar on Mar 19, 2018 12:56:28 GMT
Why is all about pela now, how she gehts targeted for being a good Veteran player? She got targeted because I agree with adonniel, that it is strange that pela points fingers on someone, dragon wanted team up on. I had 3 suspects: space, pela and romice. - space voted very soon for dragon and I overlooked that. It would be fooloish to vote for a fellow spy, because everthing in round 1 can lead to a bandwagon - pela pointed fingers at romice, on whom dragon wanted to start a bandwagon - romice made the shadow comment that I do dismiss at the moment, because I was wrong with Space and VS too. I'm not that good with roles in ME as I already said I'm not set on pela, but for now, from all 3 suspects, she looks the most suspicious to me. I myself can't really say anything to my defense, my role would become useless, if I give too much info and anyway, teh only two guaranteed good characters are out. You will see, what I mean, when I get voted out - which btw is something, that happen to me often too. Ok I get more often kileld at night, but still. I think, the last time, I made it to the end of a game was with Josie and that was just dumb luck. And no, I'm not complaining, just saying, we are mostly the same bunch in every game, so you feel as if you get targeted often, but look at romice or Moonae, who are also very often natural suspects. Plus seeking compassion for getting voted out often, is something spies used as a tactic more than once in the past - just saying And one last word pelassarias : You are actually my least naturally suspicious player, simply because you are very consistent most of the time. TBH when I was Liara, I investigated you first, but that was just to clear you and to have a reliable ally. I was not suspicious of you. But I find it strange, that you voted cowboy and pointed fingers at romice. And I know, that I'm a dead woman walking, because of course you will switch your vote from space to me and I don't take it personally. But if it is a misunderstanding, then I suggest going through past posts again and maybe we get to the bottom of it When did I want to start a bandwagon on anyone, especially romice?? The only thing I talked about was saving Reed from early elimination, due to being new. I voted for moon not to join a bandwagon, but because she had the most votes at the time other than me. I didn't even realize she was Liara at the time. I certainly wasn't intending to start a bandwagon (and didn't). Bandwagon mighte be too strong, but when adonniel asked you for an alliance at the beginning of this round, when you two were in a tie, she gave you treed and romice as possible 'voting victims' and you (honestly, I think ) didn't want to throw the newbie under the bus and did choose romice. And my thought was, that you would probably not do that to an ally. You are a good player and I know, you would have found a reason to go for treed without looking suspicious, if romice would have been your fellow spy. or just have made another suggestion. Because as you yourself know, even suggesting someone for voting can change opinions and I think, you are clever enough to not even toyingly throw a fellow spy under the bus, if it isn't necessary. That's why I do think, romice is in fact innocent. I might be completely wrong though... This is the quote, I'm referring to: I will consider a vote change, but I think we should let the newbie play and go with someone else. Romice is your other voter and already has a vote (nothing against romice, just gotta save myself somehow). I don't think, you generally create bandwagons, I hope, you didn't take it that way.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 13:38:02 GMT
During round 1 voting, everyone was getting 1 vote, then Dragon upset the balance by adding a 2nd vote onto Space. It's one thing to vote against your partner where it's safe and completely another to set them up as the primary candidate for elimination by giving them majority of the votes with yours. That's way too risky and convoluted a plot to serve to establish evil partner's alibi. Space is most likely innocent. - Dragon votes for Space due to "random number generator." (We know Dragon was evil at this point, potentially means Space is not evil depending on if Dragon knows who the heroes are or not at this point?) Dragon didn't just vote, she gave Space vote majority. I'd be inclined to believe Space's innocence if I knew what role Moonae actually was. Because it just feels really suspicious if Moonae was really Liara. Because that's who I think Space is claiming to be. Meaning he would have wanted Moonae out. But if Moonae was EC... then Space may actually be Liara and innocent. That said, my vote is on Fylimar so Space isn't condemned by me yet. lol
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 13:43:38 GMT
I had 3 suspects: space, pela and romice. - space voted very soon for dragon and I overlooked that. It would be fooloish to vote for a fellow spy, because everthing in round 1 can lead to a bandwagon - pela pointed fingers at romice, on whom dragon wanted to start a bandwagon - romice made the shadow comment that I do dismiss at the moment, because I was wrong with Space and VS too. I'm not that good with roles in ME as I already said Space wouldn't be voting for a fellow spy if he was actually the EC though right? Because EC doesn't choose their side until they steal a role... I think. Romice has only made the one hint (and I didn't even think it was a hint until later pointed out) about slipping into the shadows. We only know we were wrong about the VS because space confirmed that so we may not be wrong in thinking Romice is Kasumi.
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Post by fylimar on Mar 19, 2018 14:53:32 GMT
I had 3 suspects: space, pela and romice. - space voted very soon for dragon and I overlooked that. It would be fooloish to vote for a fellow spy, because everthing in round 1 can lead to a bandwagon - pela pointed fingers at romice, on whom dragon wanted to start a bandwagon - romice made the shadow comment that I do dismiss at the moment, because I was wrong with Space and VS too. I'm not that good with roles in ME as I already said Space wouldn't be voting for a fellow spy if he was actually the EC though right? Because EC doesn't choose their side until they steal a role... I think. Romice has only made the one hint (and I didn't even think it was a hint until later pointed out) about slipping into the shadows. We only know we were wrong about the VS because space confirmed that so we may not be wrong in thinking Romice is Kasumi. You are right. But there is still dragons comment about being willing to switch her vote to romice. She didn't actually do that, but she did put romice on a spotlight and I still don't think, she'd done that to a fellow spy. I could be overthinking it, but maybe, you will See things my way, when I got voted out and be exposed as a hero. For apologies I accept chocolate btw ;-)
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 15:20:41 GMT
Space wouldn't be voting for a fellow spy if he was actually the EC though right? Because EC doesn't choose their side until they steal a role... I think. Romice has only made the one hint (and I didn't even think it was a hint until later pointed out) about slipping into the shadows. We only know we were wrong about the VS because space confirmed that so we may not be wrong in thinking Romice is Kasumi. You are right. But there is still dragons comment about being willing to switch her vote to romice. She didn't actually do that, but she did put romice on a spotlight and I still don't think, she'd done that to a fellow spy. I could be overthinking it, but maybe, you will See things my way, when I got voted out and be exposed as a hero. For apologies I accept chocolate btw ;-) That would indicate that romice isn't a spy, which doesn't really help me decide between you, space, and pela. lol
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Post by Moonae on Mar 19, 2018 15:44:56 GMT
I was this close to posting that space could be hinting at Garrus before I remembered he was in me2. And thechnically it is possible for Liara to be on the sr2 in me2 dlc. This then leaves us with no more options but still, just saying.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 19, 2018 15:50:19 GMT
Space wouldn't be voting for a fellow spy if he was actually the EC though right? Because EC doesn't choose their side until they steal a role... I think. Romice has only made the one hint (and I didn't even think it was a hint until later pointed out) about slipping into the shadows. We only know we were wrong about the VS because space confirmed that so we may not be wrong in thinking Romice is Kasumi. You are right. But there is still dragons comment about being willing to switch her vote to romice. She didn't actually do that, but she did put romice on a spotlight and I still don't think, she'd done that to a fellow spy. I could be overthinking it, but maybe, you will See things my way, when I got voted out and be exposed as a hero. For apologies I accept chocolate btw ;-) We had enough of your chocolate in the last Skyhold round. I only just got off the loo. Sorry fyl. Passes her a chocolate.
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Post by fylimar on Mar 19, 2018 15:58:59 GMT
You are right. But there is still dragons comment about being willing to switch her vote to romice. She didn't actually do that, but she did put romice on a spotlight and I still don't think, she'd done that to a fellow spy. I could be overthinking it, but maybe, you will See things my way, when I got voted out and be exposed as a hero. For apologies I accept chocolate btw ;-) That would indicate that romice isn't a spy, which doesn't really help me decide between you, space, and pela. lol Then read my last two or three post, where I shared my thoughts Dragon voted for space and vice versa, which is not something, spies would so to one another. Romice is explained above. I know, that I'm not a spy, but I can't hint too much, it would make my role useless. Anyway, the only two guaranted good roles are out. I'm not a spy though. That leaves pela, who voted for space and made romice look suspicious. This is all circumstantial of course and I could be totally wrong. Perhaps the spies did vote for or incriminate wach other, who knows. So, Since I'm on my cellphone and the wordcheck is killing me, that's it for now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:55:11 GMT
Dragon voted for space and vice versa, which is not something, spies would so to one another. Romice is explained above. That's why you and Pela are my primary suspects. Seems like a goofball plan to urge a person desperate to save their hide to vote against your evil partner (romice) and giving your evil partner a vote majority (Space). I'm also suspicious of people trying to off Space who is claiming Viri Survivor because would't that be grand for the villains to vote off a role that has an ability beneficial to heroes only if Viri Survivor is taken out at night. (Then again, I was defending certain 'Dorian' not long ago who turned out to be an utter rascal. )
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Post by fylimar on Mar 19, 2018 17:12:00 GMT
Dragon voted for space and vice versa, which is not something, spies would so to one another. Romice is explained above. That's why you and Pela are my primary suspects. Seems like a goofball plan to urge a person desperate to save their hide to vote against your evil partner (romice) and giving your evil partner a vote majority (Space). I'm also suspicious of people trying to off Space who is claiming Viri Survivor because would't that be grand for the villains to vote off a role that has an ability beneficial to heroes only if Viri Survivor is taken out at night. (Then again, I was defending certain 'Dorian' not long ago who turned out to be an utter rascal. ) - I didn't think, that I could get away with that tbh. I wasn't accusing space, because I thought, he was VS, I just did not have the time to go through all the posts before. And when I saw the voting carousel between space and dragon, I began to realise, that space is probably as innocent as treed. And I honestly can't be mad at the people, who are voting me, because even if I would give away my role, it could still be good or evil. All I ask is, that when I'm voted out and you all see, that I was a hero, you read my posts again. I agree, that the only two people, that aren't cleared via dragon are pela and me, if I haven't overlooked something here. And I know, I'm innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 17:35:21 GMT
I didn't think, that I could get away with that tbh. It's a symbolic irony you've recruited me during the last night since I've done so much for team villain by rescuing HB from a vote off. I just hope Space is innocent. If not, then what can I say, my rakes are always waiting for me.
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Post by romice on Mar 19, 2018 18:12:09 GMT
That would indicate that romice isn't a spy, which doesn't really help me decide between you, space, and pela. lol I can assure you that romice isn't a spy Alright guys, I reread this game, and I'll change my vote back from Space to pela and let fate decide whether it's her or fylimar who's guilty.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 18:38:45 GMT
I was this close to posting that space could be hinting at Garrus before I remembered he was in me2. And thechnically it is possible for Liara to be on the sr2 in me2 dlc. This then leaves us with no more options but still, just saying. Well, I'm Garrus, so... for Space's sake he better not be claiming Garrus or I definitely know who I'm voting for!
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 18:41:10 GMT
Dragon voted for space and vice versa, which is not something, spies would so to one another. Romice is explained above. That's why you and Pela are my primary suspects. Seems like a goofball plan to urge a person desperate to save their hide to vote against your evil partner (romice) and giving your evil partner a vote majority (Space). I'm also suspicious of people trying to off Space who is claiming Viri Survivor because would't that be grand for the villains to vote off a role that has an ability beneficial to heroes only if Viri Survivor is taken out at night. (Then again, I was defending certain 'Dorian' not long ago who turned out to be an utter rascal. ) Space confirmed that he wasn't claiming the VS... unless that was a lie. In which case... SUSPICIOUS! lol
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Post by fylimar on Mar 19, 2018 18:42:55 GMT
That's why you and Pela are my primary suspects. Seems like a goofball plan to urge a person desperate to save their hide to vote against your evil partner (romice) and giving your evil partner a vote majority (Space). I'm also suspicious of people trying to off Space who is claiming Viri Survivor because would't that be grand for the villains to vote off a role that has an ability beneficial to heroes only if Viri Survivor is taken out at night. (Then again, I was defending certain 'Dorian' not long ago who turned out to be an utter rascal. ) Space confirmed that he wasn't claiming the VS... unless that was a lie. In which case... SUSPICIOUS! lol Na, he already denied that. We thought he was claiming VS for a while. since I still haven't played all of ME (still stuck in ME2), I'm not that familiar with all characters
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 20:23:36 GMT
I switch my vote from Fylimar to Space Cowboy. I'm not convinced he isn't the EC. As he wouldn't have taken that role (and potentially gone evil) until after Dragon had voted for him. Meaning he wouldn't have been a possible ally at that point, so she wouldn't have known not to vote for him. As the EC can't steal roles until players are eliminated.
Still leaves it at a tie however. lol
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 19, 2018 20:27:13 GMT
I switch my vote from Fylimar to Space Cowboy. I'm not convinced he isn't the EC. As he wouldn't have taken that role (and potentially gone evil) until after Dragon had voted for him. Meaning he wouldn't have been a possible ally at that point, so she wouldn't have known not to vote for him. As the EC can't steal roles until players are eliminated. Still leaves it at a tie however. lol Just as a point of clarification if I were the EC the spies wouldn't know it either.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 19, 2018 20:34:33 GMT
I switch my vote from Fylimar to Space Cowboy. I'm not convinced he isn't the EC. As he wouldn't have taken that role (and potentially gone evil) until after Dragon had voted for him. Meaning he wouldn't have been a possible ally at that point, so she wouldn't have known not to vote for him. As the EC can't steal roles until players are eliminated. Still leaves it at a tie however. lol Just as a point of clarification if I were the EC the spies wouldn't know it either. So they wouldn't know someone was the EC and the EC wouldn't know the spies (according to a pm I sent to gervaise)... yeah, so that, to me, makes dragon's vote for you irrelevant as neither would have known.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 19, 2018 20:40:48 GMT
Just as a point of clarification if I were the EC the spies wouldn't know it either. So they wouldn't know someone was the EC and the EC wouldn't know the spies (according to a pm I sent to gervaise)... yeah, so that, to me, makes dragon's vote for you, irrelevant as neither would have known. Right. Her vote for me only suggests I wasn't the original spy. And I wasn't. I should note it's the spy we are hunting right now, not the EC.
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