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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 7, 2016 18:30:20 GMT
I just reached act 3 of Cursed Child. It's interesting, but I agree with others that it has a fanfiction-y feel.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Aug 7, 2016 19:13:18 GMT
How do you guys feel about The Cursed Child? Personally I have to try my hardest to pretend it didn't happen - very disappointed. But I have some friends who really liked it and I'm wondering if there's any kind of consensus in the fandom at large. My sister likes to think of herself as a die-hard Potter fan. She was not happy.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 7, 2016 20:11:13 GMT
Well. I finished the cursed child.
I am an esteemed, die hard Potterhead, through and through. And this book is my new toilet paper.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 7, 2016 20:25:21 GMT
Well. I finished the cursed child. I am an esteemed, die hard Potterhead, through and through. And this book is my new toilet paper. I have only one thing to say. LOL
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 7, 2016 20:27:44 GMT
Well. I finished the cursed child. I am an esteemed, die hard Potterhead, through and through. And this book is my new toilet paper. I have only one thing to say. LOL Dude. It was so bad.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 7, 2016 20:35:42 GMT
I have only one thing to say. LOL Dude. It was so bad. Ok, honestly. Despite my scepticism toward this book, I hoped it's actually decent. Pity to hear I was right. Yes, I'm sad I was right.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 8, 2016 3:42:47 GMT
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
Whoopsiedoodle..... technical difficulties.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 8, 2016 3:44:02 GMT
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
Well,shit. My spoiler tag didn't work. Blah. I'll figure it out tomorrow.
I want to discuss this crazy thing that dares to call itself a Harry Potter book.
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Post by FraQ on Aug 8, 2016 3:59:37 GMT
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Well,shit. My spoiler tag didn't work. Blah. I'll figure it out tomorrow. I want to discuss this crazy thing that dares to call itself a Harry Potter book. [ spoiler ] text [ /spoiler ] Remove spaces.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 8, 2016 5:02:15 GMT
The series ended with "Deathly Hallows". Stop milking it!
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 8, 2016 10:14:29 GMT
Ok, I think I figured it out. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD! Ok. So. The big spoiler. The fact that Voldemort has a child is so absurd. JK Rowling said herself that he was incapable of love because he was conceived from a love potion. But I guess, clearly, he's capable of lust. And.....wouldn't Draco, Hermione, Harry, and Ron notice that Bellatriz was pregnant when she tortured Hermione at the Malfoy mansion? Unless Delphi means "born" like, from obscure potion. Anyway, it doesn't make sense. Allright, now on to things I hated. 1. Delphi having her own "chamber of secrets." 2. The fact that half this book is Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. 3. Harry's shallow personality, and crappy parenting. 4. In fact, Harry, Ron, and Hermione didn't seem like themselves at all. 5. Hugo is like, never mentioned. James and Lily (children) are barely mentioned. 6. Sooooooooooo predictable. Ok, now onto things I LIKED. 1. Ginny as a parent had way more sense than Harry did. 2. I liked learning that Albus was in Slytherin and best friends with Malfoy's boy. That's about it.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 8, 2016 10:18:42 GMT
Ok, I think I figured it out. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD! Ok. So. The big spoiler. The fact that Voldemort has a child is so absurd. JK Rowling said herself that he was incapable of love because he was conceived from a love potion. But I guess, clearly, he's capable of lust. And.....wouldn't Draco, Hermione, Harry, and Ron notice that Bellatriz was pregnant when she tortured Hermione at the Malfoy mansion? Unless Delphi means "born" like, from obscure potion. Anyway, it doesn't make sense. Allright, now on to things I hated. 1. Delphi having her own "chamber of secrets." 2. The fact that half this book is Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. 3. Harry's shallow personality, and crappy parenting. 4. In fact, Harry, Ron, and Hermione didn't seem like themselves at all. 5. Hugo is like, never mentioned. James and Lily (children) are barely mentioned. 6. Sooooooooooo predictable. Ok, now onto things I LIKED. 1. Ginny as a parent had way more sense than Harry did. 2. I liked learning that Albus was in Slytherin and best friends with Malfoy's boy. That's about it. I haven't read the book, but still read the spoiler. Tis all sounds Ridiculous (capital letter on purpose). This ^ is why I think, when author says they're done with story/characters/universe, let them be. Rarely something good comes out of it, but most of the time it's a disaster.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 8, 2016 10:39:14 GMT
I mean, it's so hair brained. CURSED CHILD SPOILER Voldemort's daughter is trying to bring back her father from the dead with an illegal time turner. She's not very threatening, in my opinion, at all. It was just very fan-fiction-y. And I think there are better fan-fictions out there!
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Post by AllyCatAttack on Aug 9, 2016 17:02:00 GMT
I’ve been a huge fan of the books since they were released and enjoy the movies. I flip flop on a regular basis between Prisoner of Azkaban and Order of the Phoenix when asked which my favorite is, though I voted Order of the Phoenix today since I just watched part of it on Sunday. I convinced my husband to start reading the books shortly after we met. Of course, he loved it and it was yet another thing we could geek out over together. He proposed to me at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter, which led to engagement photos with us wearing our house scarfs, then a Harry Potter themed wedding, a sorting hat birth announcement for our daughter and so many Harry Potter outfits and artwork at her baby shower. We’re kind of known as the Harry Potter nerds by our friends and family. All that being said, I CANNOT get in to The Cursed Child. I don’t know what it is but I have barely made a dent in that book and am overall disinterested in it.
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Post by WickedValkyrie15 on Aug 9, 2016 17:50:31 GMT
I've been a fan of Harry Potter since I was 8/9. Prior to reading the books, I thought it was the most ridiculous idea for a book ever, but eventually I read the first one the same year Sorcerers Stone was released in theaters and then I was hooked. Then I would spend hours reading the books in my room, and listening to podcasts discussing them as well.
I still love the series today even though I haven't touched the books or watched the movies in years but I have to say I'm not even remotely interested in either the Cursed Child or Fantastic Beasts. I feel like both weren't entirely necessary to have; with Fantastic Beasts, I wasn't aware it was well liked enough to warrant a movie to be made about it but the I never read any of the extra books JK Rowling put out, just the series. And the moment I saw the new development about Voldemort I shook my head to the Cursed Child as well.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Aug 9, 2016 19:03:03 GMT
*The Philosopher's Stone. US title is silly.
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Post by melbella on Aug 11, 2016 4:07:22 GMT
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Well,shit. My spoiler tag didn't work. Blah. I'll figure it out tomorrow. I want to discuss this crazy thing that dares to call itself a Harry Potter book.
Haha....when I first read this, I thought you were warning people to not read the book if they haven't done so yet.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 11, 2016 16:45:12 GMT
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Well,shit. My spoiler tag didn't work. Blah. I'll figure it out tomorrow. I want to discuss this crazy thing that dares to call itself a Harry Potter book.
Haha....when I first read this, I thought you were warning people to not read the book if they haven't done so yet.
LOL....nope....finally figured out the spoiler tag issue. BUT....if people choose to read it....they've been warned, I guess
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Post by AllyCatAttack on Aug 15, 2016 20:18:43 GMT
Ok, I think I figured it out. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE CURSED CHILD! Ok. So. The big spoiler. The fact that Voldemort has a child is so absurd. JK Rowling said herself that he was incapable of love because he was conceived from a love potion. But I guess, clearly, he's capable of lust. And.....wouldn't Draco, Hermione, Harry, and Ron notice that Bellatriz was pregnant when she tortured Hermione at the Malfoy mansion? Unless Delphi means "born" like, from obscure potion. Anyway, it doesn't make sense. Allright, now on to things I hated. 1. Delphi having her own "chamber of secrets." 2. The fact that half this book is Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. 3. Harry's shallow personality, and crappy parenting. 4. In fact, Harry, Ron, and Hermione didn't seem like themselves at all. 5. Hugo is like, never mentioned. James and Lily (children) are barely mentioned. 6. Sooooooooooo predictable. Ok, now onto things I LIKED. 1. Ginny as a parent had way more sense than Harry did. 2. I liked learning that Albus was in Slytherin and best friends with Malfoy's boy. That's about it. I finished The Cursed Child over my lunch break today. Worst. Lunch. Ever. I was kind of hate reading this book so it took much longer than it should have to finish it. I think obliviousmiss summed up all of the things that irked me in this book. Part of it felt like fanfiction but there were other times that felt like someone read a summary of the Harry Potter series and then wrote a play about what could happen 19 years later. I don’t know, maybe it would translate better on stage but I kind of doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 23:03:55 GMT
I'm gonna copy something I wrote on Facebook right after I finished the book here, mostly because I still have so many negative feels and I need to express them. Long spoilery post warning. My issues with the book come down almost entirely to the plot issues that directly contradict the previous books. I also felt that the trio themselves read more like their movie versions than their book counterparts.
I dislike that time travel was used as a plot device, even though JK Rowling specifically made the decision to destroy the time turners in book 5 because she realized working time travel into a narrative is tricky. What I dislike more is that in the established canon, time travel has always worked on a closed loop. In POA, nothing they did changed the past or future, everything was pre-destined. In Cursed Child, all of this goes right out the window and changes a fundamental law of the universe to something like Back to the Future, which is a very different set of rules for time travel on a whole.
I dislike the encounter with the trolley witch on the train. Since when was she some sort of monster with candy grenades? I laughed there, honestly. And she says this whole thing about never letting a student off the train, but in the 7th book, a whole bunch of kids leave the train on the way to Hogwarts. So it was just an unnecessary contradiction.
I dislike the fact that Cedric became a death Eater. Granted he is less examined in the books than some other characters, so it's possible he was always harboring something evil, but based on everything we *do* know about him, it's extremely out of character. He's always described as this kind of pillar for goodness and he's shown throughout the the book to do the right thing, even if it costs him (the triwizard cup could have easily been his alone, but he sacrificed the prize to help Harry). I just straight up can't imagine him as a death Eater.
But probably my biggest criticism is the Delphi thing. First of all, I do not understand how or why she is part bird. But whatever. It reads like a Mary Sue self-insert fanfiction, but it is what it is. What I hate the most is the drastic mischaracterization of Voldemort. This is a dude who feels no love and has no use for physical touch or intimacy. This is a dude who would never need to conceive a child because he assumed he would live forever. Voldemort is the antithesis of life and the ultimate megalomaniac, and there is no indication anywhere that this would have happened. Especially when you look at the time frame and it doesn't add up with the Canon (again). The trio are at Malfoy Manor not too long before the battle of Hogwarts. Bellatrix tortured Hermione there. She should have been extremely pregnant at that point, but nope.
And as far as the possibility that Voldemort slept with Bellatrix because she indicated throughout the series that she was sexually/romantically obsessed with him, I agree that it's possible in the sense that *anything* is possible. But it absolutely borders on absurd. Belatrix's fetishization of Voldemort is so potent, I think, because he denies her. He lets her know that she is one of his closest confidants, but never more. And, again, with everything we know about Voldemort's character, why would he ever agree to sleep with her just because she wants it? Voldemort doesn't so much as lift a finger for *anyone* throughout the entire series. I'd like to imagine that really, the very thought of physical intimacy nauseates him, and with how just plain inhuman he is when he rises again with a new body, there's no indication he would even be able to... you know, do sex stuff.
I hate that this book has made me question whether Voldemort's dick works, or think about his dick at all, for that matter. Eurghhh.
Just... so much of this story forces the series to have huge, gaping plot holes when it just plain isn't necessary. I dunno. It's just a big disappointment for me.
That said, I am actually really glad they didn't make Scorpius an asshole/villain. He is *by far* my favorite part of the play and I wish he wasn't wasted on this mess. His relationship with Al is adorable and I relate to his nerdy awkwardness so much.
I wish we had gotten a book about Al and Scorp getting up to hijinks at Hogwarts and maybe stopping a plot by a Gryffindor for once. It would have been really cool to see a more redemptive arc for Slytherin house as a whole, since the two-dimensional bad guy house thing is obviously untrue and way overdone. I also think that Ron and Hermione's OTHER CHILD should have been mentioned at least once, unlike in the play.
I was also really into the parts that dealt with how Harry was more or less used by the men in his life (especially Dumbledore). And I liked that it didn't shy away from examining his trauma as a child.
I was disappointed in the end that Harry still calls Dumbledore and Snape (especially Snape) great men. But then again I have huge personal issues with the way fandom regards both of them (again, especially Snape) and ignores soooo much of their problematic behavior. But I guess JKR herself set it up for fans to be sympathetic to them, so.
But I'm not even gonna talk about alternate-timeline Snape in this story. Complete fan service and total fuckery. Sigh.
Wow. Sorry. /end rant.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 16, 2016 12:23:49 GMT
I'm gonna copy something I wrote on Facebook right after I finished the book here, mostly because I still have so many negative feels and I need to express them. Long spoilery post warning. My issues with the book come down almost entirely to the plot issues that directly contradict the previous books. I also felt that the trio themselves read more like their movie versions than their book counterparts.
I dislike that time travel was used as a plot device, even though JK Rowling specifically made the decision to destroy the time turners in book 5 because she realized working time travel into a narrative is tricky. What I dislike more is that in the established canon, time travel has always worked on a closed loop. In POA, nothing they did changed the past or future, everything was pre-destined. In Cursed Child, all of this goes right out the window and changes a fundamental law of the universe to something like Back to the Future, which is a very different set of rules for time travel on a whole.
I dislike the encounter with the trolley witch on the train. Since when was she some sort of monster with candy grenades? I laughed there, honestly. And she says this whole thing about never letting a student off the train, but in the 7th book, a whole bunch of kids leave the train on the way to Hogwarts. So it was just an unnecessary contradiction.
I dislike the fact that Cedric became a death Eater. Granted he is less examined in the books than some other characters, so it's possible he was always harboring something evil, but based on everything we *do* know about him, it's extremely out of character. He's always described as this kind of pillar for goodness and he's shown throughout the the book to do the right thing, even if it costs him (the triwizard cup could have easily been his alone, but he sacrificed the prize to help Harry). I just straight up can't imagine him as a death Eater.
But probably my biggest criticism is the Delphi thing. First of all, I do not understand how or why she is part bird. But whatever. It reads like a Mary Sue self-insert fanfiction, but it is what it is. What I hate the most is the drastic mischaracterization of Voldemort. This is a dude who feels no love and has no use for physical touch or intimacy. This is a dude who would never need to conceive a child because he assumed he would live forever. Voldemort is the antithesis of life and the ultimate megalomaniac, and there is no indication anywhere that this would have happened. Especially when you look at the time frame and it doesn't add up with the Canon (again). The trio are at Malfoy Manor not too long before the battle of Hogwarts. Bellatrix tortured Hermione there. She should have been extremely pregnant at that point, but nope.
And as far as the possibility that Voldemort slept with Bellatrix because she indicated throughout the series that she was sexually/romantically obsessed with him, I agree that it's possible in the sense that *anything* is possible. But it absolutely borders on absurd. Belatrix's fetishization of Voldemort is so potent, I think, because he denies her. He lets her know that she is one of his closest confidants, but never more. And, again, with everything we know about Voldemort's character, why would he ever agree to sleep with her just because she wants it? Voldemort doesn't so much as lift a finger for *anyone* throughout the entire series. I'd like to imagine that really, the very thought of physical intimacy nauseates him, and with how just plain inhuman he is when he rises again with a new body, there's no indication he would even be able to... you know, do sex stuff.
I hate that this book has made me question whether Voldemort's dick works, or think about his dick at all, for that matter. Eurghhh.
Just... so much of this story forces the series to have huge, gaping plot holes when it just plain isn't necessary. I dunno. It's just a big disappointment for me.
That said, I am actually really glad they didn't make Scorpius an asshole/villain. He is *by far* my favorite part of the play and I wish he wasn't wasted on this mess. His relationship with Al is adorable and I relate to his nerdy awkwardness so much.
I wish we had gotten a book about Al and Scorp getting up to hijinks at Hogwarts and maybe stopping a plot by a Gryffindor for once. It would have been really cool to see a more redemptive arc for Slytherin house as a whole, since the two-dimensional bad guy house thing is obviously untrue and way overdone. I also think that Ron and Hermione's OTHER CHILD should have been mentioned at least once, unlike in the play.
I was also really into the parts that dealt with how Harry was more or less used by the men in his life (especially Dumbledore). And I liked that it didn't shy away from examining his trauma as a child.
I was disappointed in the end that Harry still calls Dumbledore and Snape (especially Snape) great men. But then again I have huge personal issues with the way fandom regards both of them (again, especially Snape) and ignores soooo much of their problematic behavior. But I guess JKR herself set it up for fans to be sympathetic to them, so.
But I'm not even gonna talk about alternate-timeline Snape in this story. Complete fan service and total fuckery. Sigh.
Wow. Sorry. /end rant. All of this. All of it. You put it all into plain and simple words. Voldemort's dick.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 16, 2016 12:34:31 GMT
I'm gonna copy something I wrote on Facebook right after I finished the book here, mostly because I still have so many negative feels and I need to express them. Long spoilery post warning. My issues with the book come down almost entirely to the plot issues that directly contradict the previous books. I also felt that the trio themselves read more like their movie versions than their book counterparts.
I dislike that time travel was used as a plot device, even though JK Rowling specifically made the decision to destroy the time turners in book 5 because she realized working time travel into a narrative is tricky. What I dislike more is that in the established canon, time travel has always worked on a closed loop. In POA, nothing they did changed the past or future, everything was pre-destined. In Cursed Child, all of this goes right out the window and changes a fundamental law of the universe to something like Back to the Future, which is a very different set of rules for time travel on a whole.
I dislike the encounter with the trolley witch on the train. Since when was she some sort of monster with candy grenades? I laughed there, honestly. And she says this whole thing about never letting a student off the train, but in the 7th book, a whole bunch of kids leave the train on the way to Hogwarts. So it was just an unnecessary contradiction.
I dislike the fact that Cedric became a death Eater. Granted he is less examined in the books than some other characters, so it's possible he was always harboring something evil, but based on everything we *do* know about him, it's extremely out of character. He's always described as this kind of pillar for goodness and he's shown throughout the the book to do the right thing, even if it costs him (the triwizard cup could have easily been his alone, but he sacrificed the prize to help Harry). I just straight up can't imagine him as a death Eater.
But probably my biggest criticism is the Delphi thing. First of all, I do not understand how or why she is part bird. But whatever. It reads like a Mary Sue self-insert fanfiction, but it is what it is. What I hate the most is the drastic mischaracterization of Voldemort. This is a dude who feels no love and has no use for physical touch or intimacy. This is a dude who would never need to conceive a child because he assumed he would live forever. Voldemort is the antithesis of life and the ultimate megalomaniac, and there is no indication anywhere that this would have happened. Especially when you look at the time frame and it doesn't add up with the Canon (again). The trio are at Malfoy Manor not too long before the battle of Hogwarts. Bellatrix tortured Hermione there. She should have been extremely pregnant at that point, but nope.
And as far as the possibility that Voldemort slept with Bellatrix because she indicated throughout the series that she was sexually/romantically obsessed with him, I agree that it's possible in the sense that *anything* is possible. But it absolutely borders on absurd. Belatrix's fetishization of Voldemort is so potent, I think, because he denies her. He lets her know that she is one of his closest confidants, but never more. And, again, with everything we know about Voldemort's character, why would he ever agree to sleep with her just because she wants it? Voldemort doesn't so much as lift a finger for *anyone* throughout the entire series. I'd like to imagine that really, the very thought of physical intimacy nauseates him, and with how just plain inhuman he is when he rises again with a new body, there's no indication he would even be able to... you know, do sex stuff.
I hate that this book has made me question whether Voldemort's dick works, or think about his dick at all, for that matter. Eurghhh.
Just... so much of this story forces the series to have huge, gaping plot holes when it just plain isn't necessary. I dunno. It's just a big disappointment for me.
That said, I am actually really glad they didn't make Scorpius an asshole/villain. He is *by far* my favorite part of the play and I wish he wasn't wasted on this mess. His relationship with Al is adorable and I relate to his nerdy awkwardness so much.
I wish we had gotten a book about Al and Scorp getting up to hijinks at Hogwarts and maybe stopping a plot by a Gryffindor for once. It would have been really cool to see a more redemptive arc for Slytherin house as a whole, since the two-dimensional bad guy house thing is obviously untrue and way overdone. I also think that Ron and Hermione's OTHER CHILD should have been mentioned at least once, unlike in the play.
I was also really into the parts that dealt with how Harry was more or less used by the men in his life (especially Dumbledore). And I liked that it didn't shy away from examining his trauma as a child.
I was disappointed in the end that Harry still calls Dumbledore and Snape (especially Snape) great men. But then again I have huge personal issues with the way fandom regards both of them (again, especially Snape) and ignores soooo much of their problematic behavior. But I guess JKR herself set it up for fans to be sympathetic to them, so.
But I'm not even gonna talk about alternate-timeline Snape in this story. Complete fan service and total fuckery. Sigh.
Wow. Sorry. /end rant. All of this. All of it. You put it all into plain and simple words. Voldemort's dick. There are things you shouldn't think. Never. This is one of them
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Post by AllyCatAttack on Aug 16, 2016 20:18:05 GMT
I'm gonna copy something I wrote on Facebook right after I finished the book here, mostly because I still have so many negative feels and I need to express them. Long spoilery post warning. My issues with the book come down almost entirely to the plot issues that directly contradict the previous books. I also felt that the trio themselves read more like their movie versions than their book counterparts.
I dislike that time travel was used as a plot device, even though JK Rowling specifically made the decision to destroy the time turners in book 5 because she realized working time travel into a narrative is tricky. What I dislike more is that in the established canon, time travel has always worked on a closed loop. In POA, nothing they did changed the past or future, everything was pre-destined. In Cursed Child, all of this goes right out the window and changes a fundamental law of the universe to something like Back to the Future, which is a very different set of rules for time travel on a whole.
I dislike the encounter with the trolley witch on the train. Since when was she some sort of monster with candy grenades? I laughed there, honestly. And she says this whole thing about never letting a student off the train, but in the 7th book, a whole bunch of kids leave the train on the way to Hogwarts. So it was just an unnecessary contradiction.
I dislike the fact that Cedric became a death Eater. Granted he is less examined in the books than some other characters, so it's possible he was always harboring something evil, but based on everything we *do* know about him, it's extremely out of character. He's always described as this kind of pillar for goodness and he's shown throughout the the book to do the right thing, even if it costs him (the triwizard cup could have easily been his alone, but he sacrificed the prize to help Harry). I just straight up can't imagine him as a death Eater.
But probably my biggest criticism is the Delphi thing. First of all, I do not understand how or why she is part bird. But whatever. It reads like a Mary Sue self-insert fanfiction, but it is what it is. What I hate the most is the drastic mischaracterization of Voldemort. This is a dude who feels no love and has no use for physical touch or intimacy. This is a dude who would never need to conceive a child because he assumed he would live forever. Voldemort is the antithesis of life and the ultimate megalomaniac, and there is no indication anywhere that this would have happened. Especially when you look at the time frame and it doesn't add up with the Canon (again). The trio are at Malfoy Manor not too long before the battle of Hogwarts. Bellatrix tortured Hermione there. She should have been extremely pregnant at that point, but nope.
And as far as the possibility that Voldemort slept with Bellatrix because she indicated throughout the series that she was sexually/romantically obsessed with him, I agree that it's possible in the sense that *anything* is possible. But it absolutely borders on absurd. Belatrix's fetishization of Voldemort is so potent, I think, because he denies her. He lets her know that she is one of his closest confidants, but never more. And, again, with everything we know about Voldemort's character, why would he ever agree to sleep with her just because she wants it? Voldemort doesn't so much as lift a finger for *anyone* throughout the entire series. I'd like to imagine that really, the very thought of physical intimacy nauseates him, and with how just plain inhuman he is when he rises again with a new body, there's no indication he would even be able to... you know, do sex stuff.
I hate that this book has made me question whether Voldemort's dick works, or think about his dick at all, for that matter. Eurghhh.
Just... so much of this story forces the series to have huge, gaping plot holes when it just plain isn't necessary. I dunno. It's just a big disappointment for me.
That said, I am actually really glad they didn't make Scorpius an asshole/villain. He is *by far* my favorite part of the play and I wish he wasn't wasted on this mess. His relationship with Al is adorable and I relate to his nerdy awkwardness so much.
I wish we had gotten a book about Al and Scorp getting up to hijinks at Hogwarts and maybe stopping a plot by a Gryffindor for once. It would have been really cool to see a more redemptive arc for Slytherin house as a whole, since the two-dimensional bad guy house thing is obviously untrue and way overdone. I also think that Ron and Hermione's OTHER CHILD should have been mentioned at least once, unlike in the play.
I was also really into the parts that dealt with how Harry was more or less used by the men in his life (especially Dumbledore). And I liked that it didn't shy away from examining his trauma as a child.
I was disappointed in the end that Harry still calls Dumbledore and Snape (especially Snape) great men. But then again I have huge personal issues with the way fandom regards both of them (again, especially Snape) and ignores soooo much of their problematic behavior. But I guess JKR herself set it up for fans to be sympathetic to them, so.
But I'm not even gonna talk about alternate-timeline Snape in this story. Complete fan service and total fuckery. Sigh.
Wow. Sorry. /end rant. You are completely spot on with this break down! I should just direct anyone who asks about what was wrong with this to your post. I agree about Cedric as well, I just don’t believe he would have ever become a Death Eater. You’re right that we don’t know much about him but he was willing to give up fame and glory in order to do the right thing, I just can’t imagine someone who would be willing to do that becoming a Death Eater. Plus, he’s a Hufflepuff, I’m not saying it’s impossible for a Hufflepuff to become a Death Eater, but I feel like it’s highly unlikely.
I get the feeling that J.K. Rowling has grown to hate Ron. I know she admitted a while back that Hermione should have ended up with Harry instead of Ron, which I thought was odd for an author to say that about their own characters and story, but it seems like she’s taking something out on him now. I know he did lighten the mood in the books but I always felt like he was an integral character, he became more of a comic relief in the movies for the most part, but he seemed useless in the play. Ron getting drunk at his own wedding seemed really off to me too mainly because Hermione and Molly Weasley would have none of that.
Scorpius was the only saving grace in this play for me and I’m glad he had as much of a presence as he did.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought about Voldemort's dick. I got so mad at myself for thinking of how that all went down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 0:30:39 GMT
I'm gonna copy something I wrote on Facebook right after I finished the book here, mostly because I still have so many negative feels and I need to express them. Long spoilery post warning. My issues with the book come down almost entirely to the plot issues that directly contradict the previous books. I also felt that the trio themselves read more like their movie versions than their book counterparts.
I dislike that time travel was used as a plot device, even though JK Rowling specifically made the decision to destroy the time turners in book 5 because she realized working time travel into a narrative is tricky. What I dislike more is that in the established canon, time travel has always worked on a closed loop. In POA, nothing they did changed the past or future, everything was pre-destined. In Cursed Child, all of this goes right out the window and changes a fundamental law of the universe to something like Back to the Future, which is a very different set of rules for time travel on a whole.
I dislike the encounter with the trolley witch on the train. Since when was she some sort of monster with candy grenades? I laughed there, honestly. And she says this whole thing about never letting a student off the train, but in the 7th book, a whole bunch of kids leave the train on the way to Hogwarts. So it was just an unnecessary contradiction.
I dislike the fact that Cedric became a death Eater. Granted he is less examined in the books than some other characters, so it's possible he was always harboring something evil, but based on everything we *do* know about him, it's extremely out of character. He's always described as this kind of pillar for goodness and he's shown throughout the the book to do the right thing, even if it costs him (the triwizard cup could have easily been his alone, but he sacrificed the prize to help Harry). I just straight up can't imagine him as a death Eater.
But probably my biggest criticism is the Delphi thing. First of all, I do not understand how or why she is part bird. But whatever. It reads like a Mary Sue self-insert fanfiction, but it is what it is. What I hate the most is the drastic mischaracterization of Voldemort. This is a dude who feels no love and has no use for physical touch or intimacy. This is a dude who would never need to conceive a child because he assumed he would live forever. Voldemort is the antithesis of life and the ultimate megalomaniac, and there is no indication anywhere that this would have happened. Especially when you look at the time frame and it doesn't add up with the Canon (again). The trio are at Malfoy Manor not too long before the battle of Hogwarts. Bellatrix tortured Hermione there. She should have been extremely pregnant at that point, but nope.
And as far as the possibility that Voldemort slept with Bellatrix because she indicated throughout the series that she was sexually/romantically obsessed with him, I agree that it's possible in the sense that *anything* is possible. But it absolutely borders on absurd. Belatrix's fetishization of Voldemort is so potent, I think, because he denies her. He lets her know that she is one of his closest confidants, but never more. And, again, with everything we know about Voldemort's character, why would he ever agree to sleep with her just because she wants it? Voldemort doesn't so much as lift a finger for *anyone* throughout the entire series. I'd like to imagine that really, the very thought of physical intimacy nauseates him, and with how just plain inhuman he is when he rises again with a new body, there's no indication he would even be able to... you know, do sex stuff.
I hate that this book has made me question whether Voldemort's dick works, or think about his dick at all, for that matter. Eurghhh.
Just... so much of this story forces the series to have huge, gaping plot holes when it just plain isn't necessary. I dunno. It's just a big disappointment for me.
That said, I am actually really glad they didn't make Scorpius an asshole/villain. He is *by far* my favorite part of the play and I wish he wasn't wasted on this mess. His relationship with Al is adorable and I relate to his nerdy awkwardness so much.
I wish we had gotten a book about Al and Scorp getting up to hijinks at Hogwarts and maybe stopping a plot by a Gryffindor for once. It would have been really cool to see a more redemptive arc for Slytherin house as a whole, since the two-dimensional bad guy house thing is obviously untrue and way overdone. I also think that Ron and Hermione's OTHER CHILD should have been mentioned at least once, unlike in the play.
I was also really into the parts that dealt with how Harry was more or less used by the men in his life (especially Dumbledore). And I liked that it didn't shy away from examining his trauma as a child.
I was disappointed in the end that Harry still calls Dumbledore and Snape (especially Snape) great men. But then again I have huge personal issues with the way fandom regards both of them (again, especially Snape) and ignores soooo much of their problematic behavior. But I guess JKR herself set it up for fans to be sympathetic to them, so.
But I'm not even gonna talk about alternate-timeline Snape in this story. Complete fan service and total fuckery. Sigh.
Wow. Sorry. /end rant. You are completely spot on with this break down! I should just direct anyone who asks about what was wrong with this to your post. I agree about Cedric as well, I just don’t believe he would have ever become a Death Eater. You’re right that we don’t know much about him but he was willing to give up fame and glory in order to do the right thing, I just can’t imagine someone who would be willing to do that becoming a Death Eater. Plus, he’s a Hufflepuff, I’m not saying it’s impossible for a Hufflepuff to become a Death Eater, but I feel like it’s highly unlikely.
I get the feeling that J.K. Rowling has grown to hate Ron. I know she admitted a while back that Hermione should have ended up with Harry instead of Ron, which I thought was odd for an author to say that about their own characters and story, but it seems like she’s taking something out on him now. I know he did lighten the mood in the books but I always felt like he was an integral character, he became more of a comic relief in the movies for the most part, but he seemed useless in the play. Ron getting drunk at his own wedding seemed really off to me too mainly because Hermione and Molly Weasley would have none of that.
Scorpius was the only saving grace in this play for me and I’m glad he had as much of a presence as he did.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought about Voldemort's dick. I got so mad at myself for thinking of how that all went down. Ron is absolutely my favorite member of the trio, and you're totally right - over the years he's been degraded to the point of being the dumb, bumbling, comic-relief character. I know that JKR said that Ron was partially based on one of her oldest friends, and part of me wonders whether they had a falling out IRL or something. Otherwise I just don't understand what compelled her to allow this totally out-of-nowhere portrayal of him in the play. It was bad enough in the movies, but it's even more insulting here.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Aug 25, 2016 13:29:30 GMT
Two more web published stories from JK Rowling by the end of the year....
Just stop, Jo. Don't pull a George Lucas!
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