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Post by Catilina on Oct 10, 2016 17:23:08 GMT
I have a little problem with Elthina: she have humour, for example, I like this, but in his positin she should not ignore Meredith cruelty (she knew about it) and the desperate situation of mages. I think, her "neutrality" was the reason of the formed situation. So: she don't have my sympathy. But this is my opinion. She's sympathetic, she has moderate inclinations, but she's old and tired. She doesn't support the Andrastian radicals early in the game, but she lacks the energy to affirmatively challenge them or Meredith, who is still in her prime. One also sees late game that there are plenty of moderate Templars out there who are sympathetic to mages. You can understand that Anders/Justice is frustrated, but what he does to Elthina and the Grand Cathedral cannot be justified. Yes, she is sympathetic as a wise old woman. But less sympathetic and wise as a Grand Cleric – as I see.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 10, 2016 18:10:27 GMT
She's sympathetic, she has moderate inclinations, but she's old and tired. She doesn't support the Andrastian radicals early in the game, but she lacks the energy to affirmatively challenge them or Meredith, who is still in her prime. One also sees late game that there are plenty of moderate Templars out there who are sympathetic to mages. You can understand that Anders/Justice is frustrated, but what he does to Elthina and the Grand Cathedral cannot be justified. Yes, she is sympathetic as a wise old woman. But less sympathetic and wise as a Grand Cleric – as I see. DA2 has a number of sympathetic, but weak characters (think also of the Viscount of Kirkwall). Hawke's dilemma in DA2 is not only fighting the bad guys, but motivating the good guys to take a stand. Too often, they're too old and indecisive and fail to move before the anarchists.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 10, 2016 20:08:30 GMT
I hadn't thought about that aspect of the DLC. Elthina was definitely an interesting, sympathetic character. Her interaction with Sebastian help fill that out. She was. On one hand she had to abide by the Chantry rules, but not sure if she should have been on the fence so much. She could have handled both Meredith and Orsino better. That part in Hightown where she told Meredith to be a good girl and then Orsino had to be escorted back- don't think that helped at all.
It was interesting to see the relationship between Sebastian kind of as the son and Elthina as the mom in a way.
But it was an interesting phrase: GENTLY please! This is demonstrated very well that she know, how the Templars treat the mages in the Circle.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 10, 2016 20:28:50 GMT
But it was an interesting phrase: GENTLY please! This is demonstrated very well that she know, how the Templars treat the mages in the Circle. Oh yes you are correct, I did forget that part. Maybe she could have let Orsino go back alone and Meredith talked to her in private.
So for some reason she could not influence Meredith. Somewhat like with Sebastian.
Do you think Elthina wanted to help the mages more and couldn't because of Chantry and Templar doctrine? No, she really didn't care for anything else other than the eternity. And she sure about, that she is sacrosanct... (You can see, if you talk with her in Sebastian quest, or/and you betray Anders – yes, I tried, just reloaded...)
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Post by Catilina on Oct 10, 2016 20:42:19 GMT
No, she really didn't care for anything else other than the eternity. (You can see, if you talk with her in Sebastian quest, or you betray Anders – yes, i tried, just reloaded...) Thats sad, if she did care she could have mediated between Meredith and Orsino and helped the mages and got the templars to relax a bit, weed out the bad like Alrik.
Which Sebastian quest? Goodness, haven't betrayed Anders in a long, long time.
I don't have any sympathy for her either but she is interesting.
Faith (Nightingale's visit). True: she interest about the Exalted March... Yes, interesting, and Sebastian also.
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Oct 12, 2016 16:27:50 GMT
Just finished it and back to report. First, I liked the combat A LOT more that DA:O. I played a male mage Hawke and it's so much better, I also really liked the rogue from the times I controlled Isabella. As for the characters, I romanced Anders, and I really liked him. As someone that hates the chantry, circles and templars I found myself agreeing with him a lot. It was disturbing. I mean, you want the destroy the Chantry? He's basically a terrorist, but heck, if I could eliminate the Divine forever at the end of DAI, I would . I mean, he's nowhere near levels of Kaidan, Cullen or Alistair (Don't judge me I like my romances fluffy, cute-awkwards) but it was alright. I actually wanted more of an epilogue with them. I understand that if Hawke survives the fade, he reunites with him, right? I hope so, they're cute. Also, Varric is the best DA companion. I can see why they brought him back. And Isabela was great. I cackled like hell when she f*** Zevran. I want her back in DA4, with Dorian. The sassiness would be glorious. On the bad side, Carver is an idiot and I'm sorry he survived. Can you kill him?, tell me you can. Aveline, Merrill and Fenris were just there breathing for the most part. Fenris even turned against me at the end. Bastard! The story is good and it ties very nicely with DAI, but it feels kind of inconsequential. I know it isn't (it explains the Templar/Mage war) but it felt more like a prologue than a full story, but I guess that was the intention. Like a good portion of DAI (basically everything before Skyhold) is about fixing the mess left after DAII. Anyway, I love where the franchise is going, the stakes are higher than ever. I did appreciate not playing as space/medieval jesus for once and Hawke is my favorite of the three protagonist. Overall, I liked it. I'd say DAI > DAII > DAO. I know people claim DAO is the best one, but that's just my opinion Just a suggestion: give a chance to Carver! He is very good brother, just an asshole. I like him, so much, especially as Templar. (Don't need to try befriend with him. Rival Carver is fun.) Despite that my Hawkes mostly radical, Anders-like pro-mages. And: you can easily keep Fenris at mage side, and Fenris also good romance, no matter, rivalry or friendship. (True, on the rivalry path Fenris more angry.) Fenris more interesting companion, and more open-minded, than seeing at first sight. 10 likes. Because I like Carver too. More than bland Bethany.
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 2:18:06 GMT
Bethany has a lot more bite if you make her a Warden. Circle Bethany is pretty bland, but I don't want to play mageHawke all the time.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 13, 2016 2:22:15 GMT
Bethany has a lot more bite if you make her a Warden. Circle Bethany is pretty bland, but I don't want to play mageHawke all the time. I have a Warden Bethany, but I did not find her too interesting, maybe I'll give her one more chance ...
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 4:36:42 GMT
Actually, I just played the end of Act 2 and ran into Circle Bethany during the attack. Not sure what her problem was, but she was pretty snippy with Hawke, even at 100% friendship.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 13, 2016 4:42:02 GMT
Actually, I just played the end of Act 2 and ran into Circle Bethany during the attack. Not sure what her problem was, but she was pretty snippy with Hawke, even at 100% friendship. Eh, I think she has cause to be snippy, considering... ...that she hadn't seen Leandra in who knows how long before her death. At first, I took it as her being snippy to Hawke, but I think she's just angry with the circumstances. Rightfully so. I know people consider Bethany "bland," but I like her. She's sweet and mild-mannered, but even people like that get pissed off sometimes
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 4:48:57 GMT
Yeah, just like Mom, Bethany blames Hawke. Even more outrageous is when Meredith does too.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 13, 2016 5:17:57 GMT
Yeah, just like Mom, Bethany blames Hawke. Even more outrageous is when Meredith does too. I don't think Bethany blames Hawke, unless I haven't chosen the relevant dialogue option? She's just bitter that she herself hadn't been there, I think, to help save her or even to say goodbye, which Hawke did at least get.
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