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Post by Heimdall on Nov 8, 2022 15:59:58 GMT
Honestly that sounds like wishful thinking. It would be a very expensive and time consuming thing to do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 8, 2022 16:51:58 GMT
Honestly that sounds like wishful thinking. It would be a very expensive and time consuming thing to do. There was also a different rumour that they weren't planning on replacing the showrunners at least until after the Emmy awards season, because that would be admitting it wasn't very good and they didn't want to spoil their chances. I have to admit I found it amusing that they think they have a chance of any awards, let alone an Emmy but perhaps they do have enough critics in their pockets that they could pull it off. Personally, I think if any fantasy series is going to scoop up awards this time round it is House of the Dragon but stranger things have happened in the past.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2022 18:15:39 GMT
Honestly that sounds like wishful thinking. It would be a very expensive and time consuming thing to do. I'm skeptical as well, but I like to have a little hope....
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Post by Hier0phant on Nov 9, 2022 3:46:28 GMT
If Galadriel had killed a Balrog with ease and no magic then i could see her being overpowered, but when she killed the cave troll i thought her physical ability could be comparable to a competent Trees Age/First Age warrior. Besides the poor editing for the fight scene i was underwhelmed by the combat ability of her squad which made me question how Galadriel would have survived an encounter with Sauron if she had confronted him, and his platoon of orcs back then. It was the fact that Galadriel was so superior to the rest of her squad that made people say she seemed overpowered. Also, the fact that it took the entire Fellowship working together to bring down the Cave Troll in LotR but Galadriel was able to single-handedly defeat the Ice Troll after it had pummeled the rest of her team. As you say, the question that left in the mind was what exactly did she think they were going to do if they did catch up with Sauron? After all, he had killed her brother, who was shown to be a seasoned fighter. Was she so delusional that she thought she could take him on by herself? Now, of course, Galadriel was shown doing exactly that in the Hobbit movie but that was with her spiritual power, not physical, backed up by the other Council members. Clearly, Galadriel in RoP was no match for Sauron either physically or spiritually and it is open to speculation why he didn't simply kill her when he had the chance. Tolkien's Sauron would have killed Galadriel if he was given the same opportunity like Amazon's Sauron who didn't kill her because the showrunners are hacks who wanted him to be a CW teen rom villain. The writers don't care about consistency or logic and I wouldn't be surprised if they considered her a skilled warrior during the War of Wrath, and from what little we have seen of her ability as a commander it seemed suspect when her entire unit had deserted in the beginning. The show's sense of scale is all over the place. I forgot who mentioned it in the show but it was established that Numenor used to have colonies on ME but for some reason their fleet only consisted of five ships. Mind you those ships despite their small size were able to transport a hundred troops, horses and supplies each. Then there's Gil Galad who ordered his servants to carry a stone table all the way back to Lindon from Moria as if the distance between the two settlements was only a few minutes stroll away.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 9, 2022 8:35:23 GMT
The writers don't care about consistency or logic and I wouldn't be surprised if they considered her a skilled warrior during the War of Wrath, and from what little we have seen of her ability as a commander it seemed suspect when her entire unit had deserted in the beginning. Well, something else that suggests she didn't take part in any First Age fighting was her little narrative when she recalls Celeborn. She mocked him for his ill-fitting armour before he left for the fighting. If she was a warrior, why didn't they go together? For that matter, why didn't he have better fitting armour? Clearly, the writer had no idea about the history behind his character to depict a relative of the King of Doriath as having no access to suitable battle gear. It also seems odd that Galadriel never tried to find him but just shrugged her shoulders when he didn't come back. If they had made her ongoing quest the search for her husband rather than pure vengeance (for her brother), because she won't accept that he is dead until she sees his body, that would have been more understandable. The trouble is that would have got in the way of their Galadriel/Sauron romance, although they could still have made it worked if it meant that much to them, with Sauron mistaking her feelings for him or suggesting that she should forget Celeborn and be his Queen. I'm still interested to see how they explain Celeborn's absence and how they are going to re-introduce him to the story because there is no way he can't be there. Are they going to borrow another bit of Glorfindel's history (as they did with the battle with the balrog) and have Celeborn returning from the dead, having been resurrected by the Valar? I forgot who mentioned it in the show but it was established that Numenor used to have colonies on ME but for some reason their fleet only consisted of five ships. I think that once again it was a case of using different writers for different parts of the story and not caring about continuity. I'm pretty sure they said at the beginning that Numenor had been isolated for years, with no suggestion that they had colonies on the mainland and then suddenly in episode 7, Bronwyn says they are going to relocate to the Numenor colony at Pelagir. If they had a colony there, wouldn't they have kept contact with them? In which case why didn't they just pack Galadriel off on one of those ships? Mind you, if they had disembarked there it would explain where the horses came from, rather than transporting them on the ships. It would also mean they would know they didn't have to carry more than needed for the journey by ship because they could resupply on the mainland. However, it also begs the question, why didn't Bronwyn suggest to the villagers that they retreated there? Why didn't they send there for help? Is that the seat of the southern king? Only you will recall that Pharazon told his son that the reason he was supporting the campaign on the mainland is that he saw the opportunity for expansion and trade with the grateful ruler, which is rather odd if they already had a colony on Middle Earth and presumably other trading partners there. Now I know canon isn't that important to them but according to the books, Pelagir was a major haven for the faithful when the King's Men were in the ascendancy, so I wonder if this is where we will finally see Elendil's other son, Anarion. I have a feeling that it is going to be where Isildur ends up after being rescued by his horse and so that will reunite him with Arondir, Bronwyn and Theo.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 7, 2022 8:27:41 GMT
Magazine articles still keep appearing that are supporting the narrative in RoP. This would be okay if they would just acknowledge that RoP is not canon and bears no relation to what Tolkien actually wrote. Instead, there is a theme of "fixing" his work and explaining what later happens in the LotR, particularly the Mirror of Galadriel scene, through the perspective of the narrative in the show.
Now one of the defenses that is mounted is that the writers didn't have much to work with because they didn't have the rights to his other works, even though they use them when it suits to justify their writing, and that they are filling in the gaps. However, this was really exposed as nonsense in another recent article that suggested Finrod's death was not typical Tolkien in that it wasn't heroic and only resulted in Galadriel embarking on her vengeance quest. Clearly, despite claiming to be a Tolkien fan, the writer had never read the appendices to LotR, as this narrative only stands up if you are basing it entirely on what is in the show.
In the introduction to the 2nd Age timeline, to which Amazon do have the rights, there is the following in connection with Galadriel: "She was the sister of Finrod Felagund, Friend-of-Men, once king of Nargothrond, who gave his life to save Beren son of Barahir." Now the Silmarillion may give the exact details of how this occurred but this statement is enough to establish Finrod's heroic sacrifice and its importance. For in the Fellowship of the Ring, Aragorn recounts the history of Beren and Luthien to the Hobbits. He tells how it is they who recovered one of the three great jewels from Morgoth's crown, how it passed to their granddaughter, Elwing, and from her to Earendil. He also tells them how both Elrond and the kings of men are descended from them. In other words, he is recounting the history of his own ancestors. Thus, it is clear that but for Finrod's sacrifice, the history of Middle Earth would have been very different and his death is one of utmost significance and importance for the cause of good. That is the example that he gave to Galadriel, that even a king, or especially a king, should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. That is the example that she followed in refusing the One Ring, because she knew that its destruction would result in her own loss of power and everything she had accomplished as ruler of Lothlorien, forcing her to leave Middle Earth.
I don't know if these article writers are working to briefing notes supplied by the showrunners, or if they have come up with their ideas independently of them, but what they did in RoP with Galadriel and Finrod is not for lack of information from the works to which they have the rights and totally disregards how they were portrayed by Tolkien.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 8, 2022 20:57:07 GMT
Magazine articles still keep appearing that are supporting the narrative in RoP. This would be okay if they would just acknowledge that RoP is not canon and bears no relation to what Tolkien actually wrote. Instead, there is a theme of "fixing" his work and explaining what later happens in the LotR, particularly the Mirror of Galadriel scene, through the perspective of the narrative in the show. Now one of the defenses that is mounted is that the writers didn't have much to work with because they didn't have the rights to his other works, even though they use them when it suits to justify their writing, and that they are filling in the gaps. However, this was really exposed as nonsense in another recent article that suggested Finrod's death was not typical Tolkien in that it wasn't heroic and only resulted in Galadriel embarking on her vengeance quest. Clearly, despite claiming to be a Tolkien fan, the writer had never read the appendices to LotR, as this narrative only stands up if you are basing it entirely on what is in the show. In the introduction to the 2nd Age timeline, to which Amazon do have the rights, there is the following in connection with Galadriel: " She was the sister of Finrod Felagund, Friend-of-Men, once king of Nargothrond, who gave his life to save Beren son of Barahir." Now the Silmarillion may give the exact details of how this occurred but this statement is enough to establish Finrod's heroic sacrifice and its importance. For in the Fellowship of the Ring, Aragorn recounts the history of Beren and Luthien to the Hobbits. He tells how it is they who recovered one of the three great jewels from Morgoth's crown, how it passed to their granddaughter, Elwing, and from her to Earendil. He also tells them how both Elrond and the kings of men are descended from them. In other words, he is recounting the history of his own ancestors. Thus, it is clear that but for Finrod's sacrifice, the history of Middle Earth would have been very different and his death is one of utmost significance and importance for the cause of good. That is the example that he gave to Galadriel, that even a king, or especially a king, should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. That is the example that she followed in refusing the One Ring, because she knew that its destruction would result in her own loss of power and everything she had accomplished as ruler of Lothlorien, forcing her to leave Middle Earth. I don't know if these article writers are working to briefing notes supplied by the showrunners, or if they have come up with their ideas independently of them, but what they did in RoP with Galadriel and Finrod is not for lack of information from the works to which they have the rights and totally disregards how they were portrayed by Tolkien. I haven't read many shill pieces from reviewers in favor of Amazon's fan fiction so i can't give an in-depth response on the topic but there's one thing i'm certain of... The showrunners are muppets whose delusions of grandeur had led them to believe they were correcting Tolkien's work with the slop they produced. Their arrogance and level of competency, or lack of, is comparable to a coked up James Franco scribbling over parts of the Mona Lisa he didn't like with Crayola crayons.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 24, 2023 0:16:39 GMT
IMO a very fair review of the show:
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 25, 2023 23:51:37 GMT
The showrunners are muppets whose delusions of grandeur had led them to believe they were correcting Tolkien's work with the slop they produced. Their arrogance and level of competency, or lack of, is comparable to a coked up James Franco scribbling over parts of the Mona Lisa he didn't like with Crayola crayons. What they've done to the Tolkien/Middle-Earth canon between the absurdly greedy decision to stretch the Hobbit into a trilogy to absolutely mangling the Silmarillion/Akallabêth material in Rings of Power makes me genuinely angry. I shouldn't be surprised, because this sort of naked profiteering + arrogant incompetence is systemic and endemic in the TV/movie industry, but the fact that they're doing it to Tolkien (!!), of all people, just pisses me off every time I think about it. Especially when the showrunners/directors/etc make pious noises about respecting and honoring the Tolkien canon while simultaneously shitting all over it.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Mar 27, 2023 17:16:46 GMT
I've read my LOTR/Hobbit books a lot, but now they nearly fall apart. So I decided to buy them once more. This time the luxury hardcover editions of the LOTR (in one volume), the Hobbit and the Silmarillion. I was used to a version using scritta paper, but using normal paper makes the LOTR feel like a brick. Wow. I can now kill a fell beast, by throwing the book at it. The version of the Hobbit is beautiful, with lots of color illustrations. All 3 books have a uniform look, which are beautiful. Perhaps I should buy another version of the LOTR, to make it easier to handle.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Mar 30, 2023 18:17:11 GMT
I've bought a LOTR version in three volumes in a boxed set, which also contains a fourth book: LOTR - A reader's companion. All have hardbacks, but no ribbon markers. They also have dust covers, using Tolkien's original unused dust jacket designs. I am not a fan of those covers (although thick paper is used, these will damage easily), and when removed the plain black hardcovers, with gold lettering and graphic symbols, look much better in my opinion, because they match the slipcase. The three books and their thinner paper are definitely useful. These are easier to handle than the (beautiful) brick, that I got few days ago. Interestingly, the page numbers of both versions match. That allows that the companion can be used with both versions. Strangely enough, those 4 books cost about the same as the single volume version of the LOTR. To solve the problem of the missing ribbon markers, I bought some nice satin 6mm (1/4") ribbons. I ordered black, white, Bordeaux red and gold ones. Let's see which I like the most. All in all, I am very happy with these books. I think I want more LOTR related books. I already ordered one, which arrives tomorrow. I need to stop. Edit: For clarity, I have these...
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Mar 31, 2023 18:40:58 GMT
Reading this thread, it appears that some of you seem to like "Unfinished Tales". So, I bought the hardback luxury version in the slipcase. It just arrived and I'll have a look at it tonight.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 1, 2023 11:22:33 GMT
Today the ribbons arrived. These worked better than I hoped. First of all, the ribbons were of good quality. I.e. they were woven, looked good and had a satin feel. I cut a piece of about a little more than twice the length of a page. Then I put one end after the last page in the book and use the rest as a marker. Just replace it when it gets dirty or damaged. Awesome.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 5, 2023 17:29:48 GMT
Like I wrote earlier, I like the luxury version of the Hobbit, because of its many color illustrations. The LOTR didn't have that many. So to satisfy my curiosity about more illustrations, I bought "The Art of the Hobbit" and "The Art of the Lord of the Rings". These contain dust covers and illustrations, ready to be published. But the majority are (photographs of) sketches to help Tolkien visualize his story and photographs of handwritten notes. And most of those are accompanied by text to explain their background and purpose. All in all, I am happy that I have these now.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 8, 2023 9:55:56 GMT
Today I got another book: "The Atlas of Tolkien's Middle-Earth". It contains hundreds of maps and diagrams. The lady who created this ( Karen Wynn Fonstad, who unfortunately died in 2005), was a cartographer and geography lecturer. The book is full of details, which I have never seen before. It not only covers the Hobbit and the LOTR, but it also uses the History of Middle-Earth as a source. It contains maps of the First, Second and Third Age. It also contains thematic maps, like landforms, climate, vegetation, population and languages. This book appears to be great. Too bad that I cannot find a hardcover edition of it, though. Edit 1: An hour later another book arrived. This time "Pictures By JRR Tolkien". It is much like the other two art books of Tolkien. Again, a great book. Edit 2: I love that atlas, which I described in this post earlier. Not only detailed general maps, but also maps of locations, which you visit. For an example, you will find two maps of Bree, a cutout "3D" drawing of the Prancing Pony and a floor plan of that inn. The level of detail is awesome.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 8, 2023 12:07:54 GMT
I have that atlas! You have a nice collection there
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 18, 2023 10:44:40 GMT
I like "A Reader's Companion". For an example: Sometimes a Sindarin phrase in the LOTR isn't translated. But it can be found in the companion. All info is in page order in that book. It also contains clarifications of names, events, history and other info, relevant to the story. Very cool.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 25, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
The next one in my collection is the box set of "The History Of Middle-Earth". The set contains 12 books, combined in 3 volumes. Here are my initial impressions. Some people complain about the paper quality, but I think they don't understand that the paper cannot be thicker, otherwise one would be unable to lift them. And thus the paper is very thin. The print quality is OK-ish. The dust jackets look dull, so I removed those. I rather have the gold on black hardbacks. Ribbon markers are present, which I like. The 12 books are available separately, but the box set is cheaper. The disadvantage of the 3 volumes is that there is no single index and each book has its own set of page numbers and index. So there are 12 indexes. Ghehe. That makes looking for stuff in more than 5300 pages very difficult. Fortunately there is an index that can be bought separately. So far I have only found the paperback version of that index, but maybe I stumble on the hardback version one day. Only a few of those have been printed, which means that it is expensive. The paperback version is very cheap, though, so I ordered that one. The books are not about the chronology of Middle-Earth, but they are about the history of the writing instead. Christopher Tolkien deciphered his father's notes and letters (which was a monumental task, because most of the handwriting was very hard to read), ordered them and added commentary to them. What Tolkien's son wrote is in a smaller font size, so you always know who wrote what. Volume I: - The Book of Lost Tales, Part I. - The Book of Lost Tales, Part II. - The Lays of Beleriand. - The Shaping of Middle-earth. - The Lost Road and Other Writings. Volume II: - The Return of the Shadow. - The Treason of Isengard. - The War of the Ring. - Sauron Defeated. Volume III: - Morgoth's Ring. - The War of the Jewels. - The Peoples of Middle-earth.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 28, 2023 16:25:23 GMT
I have some serious Tolkien leakage here. Today another two dripped into my home. The first one is "The Nature of Middle-earth", edited by Carl F. Hostetter. Again, this book comes with a matching slipcase. The paper and print quality is great. And it has a ribbon marker. Like "The History of Middle-earth", the editor had to decipher Tolkien's handwriting. And it generally follows the same "reading rules" as that book: What Carl Hostetter wrote is in a smaller font size than what Tolkien wrote. If you think that the book only covers nature then you will be surprised. "Nature" has more than one meaning in English. - Part One consists of 23 chapters on "Time and Ageing". - Part Two contains 17 chapters on "Body, Mind, and Spirit". - Part Three consists of 22 chapters on "The World, its Lands, and its Inhabitants". - Appendix I contains "Metaphysical and Theological Themes". - Appendix II contains "Glossary and Index of Quenya Terms". The level of detail is amazing. From ageing and population growth with mathematical precision to fate and free will to the making of lembas. The book is awesome. The second one is "The Fall of Númenor", edited by Brian Sibley and illustrated by Alan Lee. This one too comes with a matching slipcase. The paper and print quality is great as well. A ribbon marker is also present. Like any other book, black ink is used, but chapter headings are in dark blue and some details are in dark red. There are many beautiful color images and many black and white ones. It is all stunning. Information about Númenor is scattered throughout Tolkien's work. Before the release of this book, finding what you were looking for was very hard. Not any more. If any major Tolkien book covers the topic then it will be included. Very handy.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 29, 2023 13:21:04 GMT
Oh, dear. Another one arrived. Ghehe. This time it is "The History of the Hobbit", edited by John D. Rateliff. That one was a gamble, because I've heard a lot of bad reports about the quality of the hardcover itself (bad gold decoration), the paper (thin and warping) and the printing (many ink spots). But I am glad to say that I have found no issues at all. The book comes with a matching slipcase. The green matches that of the luxury edition of "The Hobbit". There are no bad gold decorations. Considering the size of the book, the paper quality is OK. The print quality is fine. And of course a ribbon marker is included. The original version consisted of two books. These are now combined into one volume. Unlike "The History of Middle-earth", there is only one set of page numbers and there is just one index. Needless to say that is what one should expect from a luxury edition. The book mirrors the content of the other history book. Here too, the editor's commentary is in a smaller font size than Tolkien's writings. That makes it easier to know who wrote what. Instead of scattering the maps, pictures of the notes, color and monochrome illustrations throughout the book, these are concentrated to three areas. One area in the beginning, and two in the middle of the former two books. Just like the Middle-earth version, this book is primarily about the history of the writing itself and not about a story chronology. Christopher Tolkien didn't want to include "The Hobbit" history in the legendarium of "The Lord of the Rings", because he felt that these were mostly unrelated, even though his father made sure that changes were made to the story to integrate "The Hobbit" in its story line. John Rateliff's work had Christopher's blessing, though. Edit: An hour or so later, "The History of Middle-earth Index" arrived. I still find it odd that each of the former 12 books had their own page numbers and index in the 3 new volumes. I have no clue why someone would think this was a good idea. At least I now have a single book with a combined index. At additional cost, though. However, that doesn't solve the problem of the 12 different sets of page numbers. I'm glad that "The History of the Hobbit" doesn't have that problem.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on May 4, 2023 8:03:17 GMT
On the 25th of May a new LotR game will be released. Nerd of the Rings played the beta.
First impressions of The Lord of the Rings: Gollum.
The channel is specialized in the lore of Tolkien and doesn't primarily focus on movies, games or TV series. They often have in-depth interviews with related artists and Tolkien scholars.
That means you won't find detailed information about its game mechanics. Instead it focuses on the lore and the story.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on May 10, 2023 21:25:18 GMT
Continuing the Tolkien spree, another boxed set arrived. This time it is "The JRR Tolkien Companion and Guide" by Christina Scul and Wayne G Hammond. It is the 2017 revised and extended 2700+ page edition. The pictures I've found online make it look like the books are paperbacks and that only the two volume edition are hardbacks. The online shops neither mention the binding. Anyway, the three volume version that I have is the hardback edition. It's almost like the publisher doesn't want to sell it. Ghehe. The dust covers are dull, so I removed those. The books have simple black cloth covers with golden lettering. The same style is used for the slipcase. The paper and print quality are OK. No ribbon marker is included. There are no pictures or other illustrations. If you are mainly interested in "The Hobbit", "The Lord of the Rings" and "The Silmarillion" then this is not for you. And if you think that Tolkien was only busy writing about Middle-earth and creating his artificial languages then this book is an eye opener, because he did so much more. The first book contains a chronology of Tolkien's life and work. It is extremely detailed. It is as if his personal organizer (agenda) has been published. The other two are about what he wrote, not only his popular works, but also his other work, including his academic writings. It is also about the people he knew and about the people he was influenced by, from family members to Wagner. And a gazillion other topics that crossed Tolkien's mind.
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