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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 27, 2017 20:04:35 GMT
I'm optimistic in that it be a good game but then i loved DA2 liked DA:I an thought ME:A was no bad so im confident i will/would like it, but, there always a but, i think there a better than average chance of it failing simply because EA an BioWare names are on the box, if those 2 names weren't on the box this game prob be one of the biggest sellers when/if released. About the last sentence: I don't think Anthem really would sell if you removed Bioware or EAs name because any new IP struggles if it's not a brand known name making it. Destiny wouldn't be what it is if it as an out of no where no name developmer. It sells because of the name "Bungie" and their past success with halo. Activision also plays a part as they're one of the largest publishers out there and can spend a ton to market the franchise and get it thrown out there. It takes a miracle for a new ip with a developer with a small name to it to really blow the industry. There's tons of new IPs/developers who fail because of so few sales and that's because they don't have the name recognition to get people's interest. It's an Industry where you have to make a name for yourself before you can be part of the big dogs of the industry. The only way Anthem sells if you removed Bioware/EA is if you replaced them with another big name like bethesda, Bungie, CDRED, Square Anix, etc etc. it's doubtful some studio called *whatever* would sell much if they're not a known brand. Like I said, it'd have to be a miracle to get a new IP to blow the industry when you're not a recognized name. Now does Bioware and EAs name on Anthem cause issues? Yes because both have an iffy track record on their recent projects. Sales will undoubtedly be effected because of it. It is something that can be fixed however IF Anthem ends up as a truly great game that gains attention and traction on launch and afterwords. You have to do the right thing to get people to praise it, and then spread how good it is to others to then repeat the process. I don't see Anthem getting high sales regardless of how good it is as Bioware games have NEVER been high selling games vs it's best competition. You can combine all the mass effect games and they won't even come close to most of bethesdas games on their own. You can do the same with CDREDs W3, Bungie a destiny game, Ubisoft a the division game, and the list can go on. The only way Bioware will see 10+ million in sales is by long term gain. Again, they'd have to make a truly great game that is innovative to get the attention first, and then spread by word of mouth over time. They just don't have that power to get those numbers immediately like other developers do. It's why I say as great as Bioware can be, they're still bottom tier of the AAA industry. I had never heard of Hello Games before the NMS hype, but that might just be me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 21:47:34 GMT
Frankly, I am drawing a complete blank, so I will wait for information. I am wild like that.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 28, 2017 1:14:22 GMT
I'm optimistic in that it be a good game but then i loved DA2 liked DA:I an thought ME:A was no bad so im confident i will/would like it, but, there always a but, i think there a better than average chance of it failing simply because EA an BioWare names are on the box, if those 2 names weren't on the box this game prob be one of the biggest sellers when/if released. About the last sentence: I don't think Anthem really would sell if you removed Bioware or EAs name because any new IP struggles if it's not a brand known name making it. One way or the other, Anthem is going to prove whether EA is using Bioware just as available labor to build the recurrent revenue game they wanted in the action MP space, or whether Bioware's unique story-driven talents are the secret sauce that makes Anthem a special game that only Bioware could do. This won't depend on it's success or failure, only on it's content.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 28, 2017 8:07:16 GMT
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Anthem may support VR.
Jay Watamaniuk posted some pics from a staff party. This Reddit user posted Jay's Anthem ones. Last pic zooms in to an interesting sign.
Frankly, I doubt any VR support will make this game awesome.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 28, 2017 9:40:09 GMT
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 28, 2017 9:53:19 GMT
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Anthem may support VR.
Jay Watamaniuk posted some pics from a staff party. This Reddit user posted Jay's Anthem ones. Last pic zooms in to an interesting sign.
Frankly, I doubt any VR support will make this game awesome.
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Post by shinobiwan on Dec 28, 2017 12:13:36 GMT
As much as I want a new proper BW game, I just think this game is going to be an unplayable EA mess. EA has brought the mtx bullshit to new levels even after and despite the Battlefront 2 backlash, making clear this game will start aggressive at best. I've been suckered by that enough to know that the feeling of constantly being nickeled and dimed makes the game unfun, no matter how good it might otherwise be.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 28, 2017 13:47:03 GMT
As much as I want a new proper BW game, I just think this game is going to be an unplayable EA mess. EA has brought the mtx bullshit to new levels even after and despite the Battlefront 2 backlash, making clear this game will start aggressive at best. I've been suckered by that enough to know that the feeling of constantly being nickeled and dimed makes the game unfun, no matter how good it might otherwise be. -(_ANTHEM_)-
If game progression comes anywhere near an exponential grind, I agree with you.
Waiting for the game price to fall to ~ 40$ before a buy decision is my best bet. By this time, more than 30+ hours of gameplay will pass and most of Anthems's dirty secrets will be revealed.
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Post by shinobiwan on Dec 28, 2017 14:36:24 GMT
As much as I want a new proper BW game, I just think this game is going to be an unplayable EA mess. EA has brought the mtx bullshit to new levels even after and despite the Battlefront 2 backlash, making clear this game will start aggressive at best. I've been suckered by that enough to know that the feeling of constantly being nickeled and dimed makes the game unfun, no matter how good it might otherwise be. -(_ANTHEM_)-
If game progression comes anywhere near an exponential grind, I agree with you.
Waiting for the game price to fall to ~ 40$ before a buy decision is my best bet. By this time, more than 30+ hours of gameplay will pass and most of Anthems's dirty secrets will be revealed.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 28, 2017 15:22:14 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
How to not let go in SWBF2. Some wonderful Reddit comments that reflect on EA CFO's "how to keep the players engaged". With potential 4K support in Anthem, these SWBF2 "annoyances" may be common in Anthem too.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 28, 2017 21:55:01 GMT
Cautiously pessimistic.
Optimism - I think there's still a chance its good, even great, both for the market and myself. Neutral - It may end up not impacting how DA and ME continue one way or the other. Pessimism - There's nothing shown so far that strongly appeals to me. I also have doubts that it'll make the splash in the market that some hope it will.
I lean on the pessimism, but only lean. This could change. I could get more pessimism and just distance myself from Bioware news, or I could get more optimistic and take Anthem for what it is, and consider what Anthem is, to be good.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 29, 2017 9:51:43 GMT
*insert coin to continue*
That's what I anticipate. I spent that coin about twice in my life. It just isn't worth it.
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Post by Faust on Dec 29, 2017 18:18:13 GMT
Neutral.
I'll wait a few monthes before considering buying it.
If the MP ressemble Destiny's, only the length and quality of SP will make me buy it. I also don't want to feel compelled to buy DLCs, if they try to Bungie me, I'll keep my money.
Time will tell.
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Post by eamon696 on Dec 31, 2017 10:33:21 GMT
I’m honestly torn. I want Anthem to succeed because it’s Bioware and they’ve made so many of my favorite games. I also worry that if Anthem underperforms, we could see Bioware shut down like Visceral.
But if Anthem does succeed, the Bioware we have come to know and love could also “end”, in a way. I don’t want to see Bioware become solely focused creating shared world story games (especially since EA themselves have stated that this is a 10 year journey or something along those lines). And maybe if it fails, and there is enough fan and media backlash against the repurposing of Bioware, then maybe Dragon Age 4, or the next Mass Effect game, or whatever comes next, can be a more traditional Bioware title.
But I don’t know.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Dec 31, 2017 14:53:28 GMT
I’m honestly torn. I want Anthem to succeed because it’s Bioware and they’ve made so many of my favorite games. I also worry that if Anthem underperforms, we could see Bioware shut down like Visceral. But if Anthem does succeed, the Bioware we have come to know and love could also “end”, in a way. I don’t want to see Bioware become solely focused creating shared world story games (especially since EA themselves have stated that this is a 10 year journey or something along those lines). And maybe if it fails, and there is enough fan and media backlash against the repurposing of Bioware, then maybe Dragon Age 4, or the next Mass Effect game, or whatever comes next, can be a more traditional Bioware title. But I don’t know. Bioware shutting down because of Anthem failing could be a possibility I agree. However if they were to not be dissolved, I still don't think they'd go back to their more "traditional" games as they've been avoiding those since ME was a thing. Bioware hasn't made things like baulders gate, neverwinter, etc etc in over a decade and they had no reason to as the style of ME/DA was doing just fine. They can still do just fine so long as they don't bomb their games like Andromeda or a DA2. It'd also help if EAs expectations were lower on games that many wouldn't see achieving these expectations to such high degrees that EA wants them to. I mean I believe andromeda was expected to hit 3 million sales off launch and then another 6 million during its lifetime. That's 9 million which is a little less than what you'd get if you combined ME1-3, they'd have to rely on a lot of new players to hit those numbers cause the mass effect fanbase isn't that big to do it themselves. As for backlash on repurposing bioware: if you mean campaigning to stop their shutdown, I don't think it'd matter cause if EA sees profits dropping then no amount of fan backlash will matter. It's good business to cut ties with what's dragging you down. Now if you mean repurposing them based off what games they make, I think it'd get a little iffy. Anthem is a thing cause live service games are picking up big time. At the moment I'd say there is no de-facto game that owns it yet and Anthem is an attempt to try and take it. If it fails, what does Bioware go back to? I think they'd just go back to DA:4 using inquisition as its influence and previous experience with the mass effect games. We'd probably see them try to expand on the multiplayer play a little more as well. Doubtful you'd see 1990s-early 2000s (what i'd consider the more traditional Bioware games) Bioware games being applied to today. out of curiosity what is a traditional Bioware game to you? Is it the pre-mass effect games or is it the mass effect/DA games? I can see how mass effect would be traditional if that's the series one started out with.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 31, 2017 19:22:00 GMT
Put me down in the "cautiously optimistic" camp.
What we've seen so far looks interesting, combat looks good, and jetpacking around beautiful open-world environments looks like a hell of a lot of fun. But obviously progression systems, loot boxes, MTs are going to be huge concerns here.
In this way, I'm actually thankful for SW BFII. Because of the massive backlash, they know there's a limit to how far they can push these MT/LB systems (at least in these kinds of games), and gamers are becoming increasing educated about these practices.
With Anthem being a new IP, and targeting gamers outside their core audience, and probably the most expensive game BioWare's ever made... they can't afford to have that kind of backlash. So I have a feeling they won't try and push anything more than cosmetics in paid LBs at most.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 31, 2017 21:37:38 GMT
Put me down in the "cautiously optimistic" camp. What we've seen so far looks interesting, combat looks good, and jetpacking around beautiful open-world environments looks like a hell of a lot of fun. But obviously progression systems, loot boxes, MTs are going to be huge concerns here. In this way, I'm actually thankful for SW BFII. Because of the massive backlash, they know there's a limit to how far they can push these MT/LB systems (at least in these kinds of games), and gamers are becoming increasing educated about these practices. With Anthem being a new IP, and targeting gamers outside their core audience, and probably the most expensive game BioWare's ever made... they can't afford to have that kind of backlash. So I have a feeling they won't try and push anything more than cosmetics in paid LBs at most. I've been much more worried about what an Anthem 2 would do, anyway. For Anthem I was less worried about monetization (but also that), but more worried about it being just... disappointing, relatively barebones for what they lead us to believe, and leading me to be annoyed that I'm not getting Dragon Age sooner or Mass Effect confirmed by that point.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 31, 2017 22:25:55 GMT
Put me down in the "cautiously optimistic" camp. What we've seen so far looks interesting, combat looks good, and jetpacking around beautiful open-world environments looks like a hell of a lot of fun. But obviously progression systems, loot boxes, MTs are going to be huge concerns here. In this way, I'm actually thankful for SW BFII. Because of the massive backlash, they know there's a limit to how far they can push these MT/LB systems (at least in these kinds of games), and gamers are becoming increasing educated about these practices. With Anthem being a new IP, and targeting gamers outside their core audience, and probably the most expensive game BioWare's ever made... they can't afford to have that kind of backlash. So I have a feeling they won't try and push anything more than cosmetics in paid LBs at most. I've been much more worried about what an Anthem 2 would do, anyway. For Anthem I was less worried about monetization (but also that), but more worried about it being just... disappointing, relatively barebones for what they lead us to believe, and leading me to be annoyed that I'm not getting Dragon Age sooner or Mass Effect confirmed by that point. Yeah, not much more we can do than hope it's as good as they've been boasting. Though I know for a lot of BW fans, this is just that game that's in the way for the game(s) they want.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 1, 2018 14:58:12 GMT
Put me down in the "cautiously optimistic" camp. What we've seen so far looks interesting, combat looks good, and jetpacking around beautiful open-world environments looks like a hell of a lot of fun. But obviously progression systems, loot boxes, MTs are going to be huge concerns here. In this way, I'm actually thankful for SW BFII. Because of the massive backlash, they know there's a limit to how far they can push these MT/LB systems (at least in these kinds of games), and gamers are becoming increasing educated about these practices. With Anthem being a new IP, and targeting gamers outside their core audience, and probably the most expensive game BioWare's ever made... they can't afford to have that kind of backlash. So I have a feeling they won't try and push anything more than cosmetics in paid LBs at most. -(_ANTHEM_)-
And there are plenty of suckers that will buy frivolities, just to look awesome.
However, this path needs constant new cosmetic items, maps, gear, fauna + flora and intelligent enemies to keep the player engaged. Rolling a new class character and possibly also in a different FORT can make character replays interesting.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 2, 2018 17:32:28 GMT
Best case scenario: a decent-good game trampled by lootboxes and microtransactions. Probable scenario: a trainwreck with a layer of lootboxes and microtransactions on top.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 3, 2018 8:18:42 GMT
I'm cautiously optimistic. I want it to be good. I want to play a good bioware game. But most of all, I want the people who resent bioware for their idiotic reasons and are already planning to take the release day off to spam metacritic 0-ratings to get a gobsmacking due to the game being awesome.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 3, 2018 10:18:54 GMT
I'm cautiously optimistic. I want it to be good. I want to play a good bioware game. But most of all, I want the people who resent bioware for their idiotic reasons and are already planning to take the release day off to spam metacritic 0-ratings to get a gobsmacking due to the game being awesome. Just don't preorder out of spite and you`re good.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 4, 2018 3:27:55 GMT
Cautiously Pessimistic.
I have no reason to believe that it will be good, and plenty of reasons to believe that it will be subpar. However, given how little information there is about this game, it would not be fair for me to completely write it off at this point.
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