Destiny's recent failures might mean this game actualy dose good...

The last paragraph is why I do not mind subscription model as long as the content is trickling down and it is made obvious what they are working on fairily regularly.

I know. From what I have seen, the subscription is a far cheaper way to obtain the decent QoL/casual experience I look for in the games, while the MTX is very expensive. That is the only reason I object to the MTX, that they make it nearly impossible to enjoy a game in a casual way for a reasonable price. SWTOR cost me 140$ a year, but in any MP game, to bypass the daily routine to only do what you feel like for an hour or so & not tax/challenge myself (the way I play SP games) you would normally pay an upward of a thousand.

The problem is that even if the game offers casual, relaxed content that is MP, but the hard content offers all the lollipops, the pleasant, relaxed content does not get used, since everyone goes a-farming.

I liked how both ME MPs managed tho. I never felt the compulsion to buy boxes, 'cause I suffered or could not find games with my gear level/difficulty level. ... and no frigging endless memorization.

I tried a couple of mmo after Swtor, both of which had a similar structure. I tried to keep up with Blade and Soul in my casual way, but it became impossible save for replaying the same basic story and a few solo dailies. I only wanted to do easier dungeons and 24M parallel play dungeons and the OWs zone, but the easy dungeons would not pop, the hard dungeons peeps posted gear scores to join, and, they were frankly far too hard for me. The daily load of four tasks to get a reward was too long, and often included at least one I could not do. In the OW it was great on a very small server I was in, so I mainly stayed for that, but once servers merged, the geared guys rotated through instances popping in just before the sequence started, and their godly DPS left you w/o access to loot (the boss died in seconds and only the top DPS got rewarded).

It would have taken about a thousand in that one to buy mats to update my gear to get the score for running the dungeons... but, yeah, they were too hard for me regardless, and there were literally only a couple-three of them peeps ran again, and again, and again for the random drops.

The second time I popped into an open beta of a mmo, and before the week was out, well, I was not even finished with the story, and people went through everything and had gear scores doubling if not tripling mine. Seeing that it was a no restriction kill after level 40 world with no PvE flag servers, and the storyline was so embarrassingly poor that the best part of it was that it was for the most part untranslated from Chinese, I left & never got back to it.

Lol, even thinking about it makes me tired...

In Swtor though, because I was on sub, I logged in, and had a choice of stuff to do, between the war zones, GSF, storylines and, later, the Ops. I know I was there for the really good two or three years when gearing was nothing, and, well, I am happy I was. I had a blast.

Well, they are also too hard for me. Swtor was okay, and so were ME’s horde modes. Horde mode is pretty much my favorite MP form along with the 24M style dungeons (I.e. parallel play and mass slaying of bosses who appear in timered events in different portions of the dungeon so you play in a crowd, but do not have to group up)

incorrect, we know EA wants to incentivize the purchase of MTs, they want them to feel like you should spend money not to go through a slog because that is the easiest bet in a grind based game.

that one I believe because bungie SUCKS ASS at those things...why? Well, you are talking about the company that thought downgrading your legendary loot upon decryption "gave players an extra thrill".....yeah....no. Also, that right there is why I am bever buying one of their games again.


Also, about SWOTR.....uhm, the whole WoW clone does not at all guarantee the "Bioware game" part of the plan especially with player agency and decision making and character growth. I hope you are tho...

Erm... no? Swtor had more meaningful interactions and better, way longer character story than DAI for me. On top of it, it added a layer of personality and carrier choices for my favorite protagonists that an SP games do not provide. If Anthem is like Swtor, i would be satisfied. If Anthem is sort of an Andromeda and Swtor blend, I will be satisfied. Only if there is either no story instances like FPs and Ops and personal stories, and/or they are not all/almost all available solo with decent PvE NPCs I will walk away from the game.

And, on top of it, those eight narratives take place during the same timeframe, and some of those protagonists are direct antagonists in the grand scheme of things!

Swtor is the best SP game ever made in terms of the overall story length and complexity if you play all 8 stories.

Edit: to be crystal clear, I don’t expect Anthem, or any other game ever match Swtor again, but if the storytelling is as good as in one of the class stories and the best Flashpoints/ops, it will be miles ahead most SP games out there.

Yes, there are things you can grind solo, heroics and solo Flashpoints, the events, and it depends. Things have changed since I have played, but in my time, you did not need to touch MP to finish the 8 stories. I did not group up at all for the first 6 months save for playing with my husband once in a while, and it was just to see each other’s stories, we did not gain any significant loot that way.

I did try all MP stuff later, but back then they did not have solo heroics and FPs.

Edit: I find it is important to add that I subscribed for all 3 years I played it.

Majority is a good start..."All" would be better

Point is...how is Swotor a persistent shared world game? (which is what Bioware wants with Anthem)