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Post by Julilla on Feb 27, 2017 20:14:28 GMT
... Do we really know if Solas had spies within Inquisition since day 1? I would definitely assume he did. He already had spies and a spy network set up before the explosion. You don't think he'd move people into place to find out what was going on that he wasn't present for? And even if it wasn't that first day, how many? 4? A week? A month? Does it matter? Edit, this thing isn't formatting right so it looks like I'm answering my own question. Heh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 20:26:54 GMT
I would definitely assume he did. He already had spies and a spy network set up before the explosion. You don't think he'd move people into place to find out what was going on that he wasn't present for? And even if it wasn't that first day, how many? 4? A week? A month? Does it matter? Edit, this thing isn't formatting right so it looks like I'm answering my own question. Heh. I believe that's the thing though. If he had spies during any of his within Inquisition, I'm of the opinion of applauding and saluting Solas for doing it. It's a smart move. Before he knows the Inquisitor (regardless if it turns out they are a giant dildo or potential love of his life), they are an unknown that has vast amounts of power fostered on them and a title that harkens people to come to them in droves. That individual and the group that is gathering to said individual needs to be observed. After getting to know Inquisitor? Well about the same would still apply. As I put in the above post, he wouldn't be privy to everything.
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Post by Julilla on Feb 28, 2017 21:23:26 GMT
Oh, it's definitely smart, very crafty and rogue-ish, etc. I'm just talking about my Inquisitor's feels, that's all. In her mind, he's sleeping in her bed, spying on her org to find it's weak links and then cuddling with her. It feels very awful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 21:36:21 GMT
Oh, it's definitely smart, very crafty and rogue-ish, etc. I'm just talking about my Inquisitor's feels, that's all. In her mind, he's sleeping in her bed, spying on her org to find it's weak links and then cuddling with her. It feels very awful. Kinda makes you wonder though, if your Inquisitor felt betrayed/angry/insert emotion here, why did they? It's an interesting thing to consider. (Going off the assumption an Inquisitor is befriended at the very least because an Assquisitor certainly wouldn't get the chance to understand Solas since he wouldn't let them. Though technically Solas is the most truthful to the one he hates ) The Inquisitor would have a relatively decent grasp of Solas' mannerisms and his way of looking at the world. So, why would an Inquisitor be angry at Solas? They would see it as Solas saw it would they not? (Hmm..not sure that made sense... pfft...) Not questioning or demeaning your Inquisitor or anything, it was just an interesting thought.
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Post by Garnet on Feb 28, 2017 22:54:46 GMT
Oh, it's definitely smart, very crafty and rogue-ish, etc. I'm just talking about my Inquisitor's feels, that's all. In her mind, he's sleeping in her bed, spying on her org to find it's weak links and then cuddling with her. It feels very awful. Kinda makes you wonder though, if your Inquisitor felt betrayed/angry/insert emotion here, why did they? It's an interesting thing to consider. (Going off the assumption an Inquisitor is befriended at the very least because an Assquisitor certainly wouldn't get the chance to understand Solas since he wouldn't let them. Though technically Solas is the most truthful to the one he hates ) The Inquisitor would have a relatively decent grasp of Solas' mannerisms and his way of looking at the world. So, why would an Inquisitor be angry at Solas? They would see it as Solas saw it would they not? (Hmm..not sure that made sense... pfft...) Not questioning or demeaning your Inquisitor or anything, it was just an interesting thought. Hmm. To me, Solas is still unpredictable, even knowing all the meta stuff about him. Being on the same page as someone isn't being able to read their every thought, so the feeling of betrayal comes from the trust he/she put into him. He was just a simple apostate until suddenly, he wasn't. Lavellan or any other Inquisitor has every right to feel betrayed after finding out that they were being spied on the whole time. Especially if they had a romantic relationship, as those are (usually) built on trust. My (Nia) Lavellan felt hurt and betrayed as well as shocked, but not (too) angry with him. The next quizzie might be very angry, though. I haven't decided yet.
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Post by Julilla on Feb 28, 2017 23:15:58 GMT
Oh, it's definitely smart, very crafty and rogue-ish, etc. I'm just talking about my Inquisitor's feels, that's all. In her mind, he's sleeping in her bed, spying on her org to find it's weak links and then cuddling with her. It feels very awful. Kinda makes you wonder though, if your Inquisitor felt betrayed/angry/insert emotion here, why did they? It's an interesting thing to consider. (Going off the assumption an Inquisitor is befriended at the very least because an Assquisitor certainly wouldn't get the chance to understand Solas since he wouldn't let them. Though technically Solas is the most truthful to the one he hates ) The Inquisitor would have a relatively decent grasp of Solas' mannerisms and his way of looking at the world. So, why would an Inquisitor be angry at Solas? They would see it as Solas saw it would they not? (Hmm..not sure that made sense... pfft...) Not questioning or demeaning your Inquisitor or anything, it was just an interesting thought. As far as she sees it, she *thought* she knew him well. Then he dumped her. Then he took off and never explained anything. And now he's back telling her he loves her but she's probs gonna die because he's the Dread Wolf and he did some stuff he has to make right, so sorry. She doesn't understand anything that's going on. Like, at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 23:50:02 GMT
Oh no, I'm fairly confident Inquisitors wouldn't be able to fully predict was going in his head. Meant more along the lines of knowing his trust issues and his inability to be completely forthright. I have to headcannon that all Inquisitors knew he didn't want to delve deeply into his personal life and history otherwise the Inquisitor is kinda in the airhead spectrum... Yes, Inquisitors wouldn't guess Solas was anything other than some Apostate, but the precaution of having spies within their Inquisition is another matter. A friend or lover would think that was in keeping with Solas' character when they found out wouldn't you say?
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Post by Garnet on Mar 1, 2017 3:18:46 GMT
Oh no, I'm fairly confident Inquisitors wouldn't be able to fully predict was going in his head. Meant more along the lines of knowing his trust issues and his inability to be completely forthright. I have to headcannon that all Inquisitors knew he didn't want to delve deeply into his personal life and history otherwise the Inquisitor is kinda in the airhead spectrum... Yes, Inquisitors wouldn't guess Solas was anything other than some Apostate, but the precaution of having spies within their Inquisition is another matter. A friend or lover would think that was in keeping with Solas' character when they found out wouldn't you say? I see. I feel that way about it too. He's obviously hiding something. Lavellan just didn't think it was an entire network of spies. (..Unless they were a really paranoid Inquisitor.) And that he would eventually tell her in his own time. (He was so close!) Solas being an ancient elf? Maybe quizzie wouldn't be too surprised after meeting Abelas. But (a potential ex-boyfriend) being Fen'Harel, the Elven god of legends? Was not expecting that. Also, I can't stop staring at this gif set.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Mar 1, 2017 4:57:25 GMT
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 1, 2017 16:48:00 GMT
.... Welp, it's one of those days - the one with bizarre dreams which involve Dragon Age-related stuff. The first part was pretty much a scrambled mess - just a string of scenes my brain tried to piece together, but ultimately couldn't do much. It may have involved Lavellan trying to stop Solas at one point, but the details elude me. The other part of dream was - in contrast - strangely coherent: I've found myself in a room with someone deeply involved with DA project, where - suddenly and inexplicably - I was given access to details about future games! I've found out that there will be 3 more titles, first one involving ice, 2nd one lava and fire and 3rd one... may involve dwarves building a space station, elves turned into deer (not halla, just... regular small brown deer) and huge rat infestation that I somehow knew was supposed to be Very Symbolic. Also, the title of the last chapter may have had word "oak" in it. ...Sheesh, brain, what the heck
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 1, 2017 19:07:59 GMT
I've had more than one Dragon Age related dream but not for some months now. Most occurred during the first six months of playing the game. The spookiest one was when I kept dreaming that we needed to go somewhere deep under Skyhold involving the use of lifts and tunnels because something needed dealing with down there and then only a short time after this the Descent came out. That definitely gave me a feeling of Deja vu.
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Post by Wynne on Mar 3, 2017 6:55:41 GMT
TL;DR: I don't think Solas blames anyone but himself for the Orb's destruction, and I don't think its loss provoked him into making harsher plans than he already had. If anything I think we might see him trying to find a less harsh means to his end if he can. Let him steep in his own self-hatred and blame; no need for a befriended or romanced Inquisitor to take on that burden for him. He even says as much. Ahh, yes. I've only played Trespasser once so far, so I hadn't seen all the details or processed it all completely yet. Thank you. I definitely hope those second thoughts continue. This really pulls the arc together, when you think about it, though... The Inquisitor gets his mark in the beginning; the Inquisitor breaks his orb at the end. It's almost like it was destined. I wonder if thoughts like that will haunt him.
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Post by javeart on Mar 3, 2017 11:42:19 GMT
I'm not too much into shipping characters, but I have t o say that I've always like the idea of Solas x Fenris. I mean, lots of ifs and probably awfully difficult relationship but still
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 3, 2017 19:19:42 GMT
No, I think Solas and Fenris is one step too far for credibility. Solas is just too wrapped up in the wonder of magic for Fenris to stomach. It was hard enough reconciling Fenris and my mage Hawke but at least he admitted he regarded them as the exception to his rule about mages. I never took the blood mage spec though, which I think should have been a breaker for any romance with him as well.
In my minds eye Fenris is the last person you would want anywhere near Solas if you want Solas to survive. Fenris' ability to become incorporeal and pass through solid matter could be the one thing Solas might not expect and I don't think even Solas could survive having his heart ripped out.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 3, 2017 19:49:03 GMT
No, I think Solas and Fenris is one step too far for credibility. Solas is just too wrapped up in the wonder of magic for Fenris to stomach. It was hard enough reconciling Fenris and my mage Hawke but at least he admitted he regarded them as the exception to his rule about mages. I never took the blood mage spec though, which I think should have been a breaker for any romance with him as well. In my minds eye Fenris is the last person you would want anywhere near Solas if you want Solas to survive. Fenris' ability to become incorporeal and pass through solid matter could be the one thing Solas might not expect and I don't think even Solas could survive having his heart ripped out. His heart is a whole other person in a lot of playthroughs! ;D And he was an Evanuris... probably has contingency plan horcruxes in place like Mythal. Wait...
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2017 20:33:56 GMT
No, I think Solas and Fenris is one step too far for credibility. Solas is just too wrapped up in the wonder of magic for Fenris to stomach. It was hard enough reconciling Fenris and my mage Hawke but at least he admitted he regarded them as the exception to his rule about mages. I never took the blood mage spec though, which I think should have been a breaker for any romance with him as well. In my minds eye Fenris is the last person you would want anywhere near Solas if you want Solas to survive. Fenris' ability to become incorporeal and pass through solid matter could be the one thing Solas might not expect and I don't think even Solas could survive having his heart ripped out. As much as Solas admitted to being unfamiliar with certain things or even certain types of magic, I think you may be underestimating him a little bit - because such unfamiliarity is a double-edged sword: nobody knows the extent of Solas's ability. We can however assume there's a lot we don't know, considering that he can turn whole armies into stone in seconds with what seems to be a single thought. Therefore Fenris may become even more of a solid mass before he even moves in Solas's direction. Plus - considering that: a.) Knight Enchanters, direct 'descendants' of elven Arcane Warriors, can turn themselves incorporeal b.) the Anchor itself lets Inquisitor temporarily phase out of material world c.) ancient elves descend from spirits who themselves are incorporeal belings ...suggests that if there's one thing Solas is intimately familiar with, it's likely the ability to become incorporeal.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2017 21:08:56 GMT
Okay, there's one thing I'm somewhat curious about.... what is the extent of knowledge the surrounding world has about Inquisitor's romantic pursues? I understand that a lot of it is a matter of personal headcanon and it can vary from being secret to other companions to being officially confirmed and celebrated... but right now I'm curious about what we can find the game. I find it interesting that the Dragon Age Keep calls Inquistor's lovers 'paramours' - a word used usually for someone who's an illicit lover. Hence it's relatively safe to assume that the world at large thinks that Inky having a love life is... improper. I find it curious, considering that Andraste had a husband and even a few kids.... though perhaps it's expected for Herald of Andraste to be devoted to the prophet. Or just not have time for taking lovers while they're busy saving the world from imploding - such sentiment can be found among gossip in the tavern, which Cabot is ready to share with us after we're committed to a romance with a selected companion. Which is another thing - we do know that people gossip about Inky's romances, though Josephine can inform us that people will merrily speculate no matter if Inky is committed to being in relationship with someone or not. Yet the pair in Skyhold's main hall will react as if the identity of a chosen paramour is known well enough... although how much is this just a matter of coincidence and how much of knowledge is a matter of debate, especially when they start chatting about impending nuptials right after Solas broke Lavellan's heart ... I always have to chuckle at that, no matter how sorry I am for my elf Inky: a brokenhearted Lavellan comes back to Skyhold only to find that people are literally ordering new gowns that they expect to wear during supposed wedding with Solas That's just cruel. Then there are companions - some appear to know well about given romance and have appropriate dialogue, some only seem to guess who it might be. Vivienne especially makes curious comment about Solas if we romance him, suggesting that she doesn't know the extent of his involvement with Inky... although that could have only been Vivienne being Vivienne In Trespasser she seems to be fully aware of what transpired, as did many other companions, so it's safe to assume the Inner Circle always knew of Inquisitor's chosen lover. I still wonder what the world at large knew - even with officially marrying certain companions it's hard to say how many people know of it, considering that it was a small ceremony in the midst of intense political event that was eventually overshadowed by Qunari mass assassination plot.
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Okay, there's one thing I'm somewhat curious about.... what is the extent of knowledge the surrounding world has about Inquisitor's romantic pursues? I understand that a lot of it is a matter of personal headcanon and it can vary from being secret not even all companions know about, to being officially confirmed and celebrated... but right now I'm curious about what we can find the game. I find it interesting that the Dragon Age Keep calls Inquistor's lovers 'paramours' - a word used usually for someone who's an illicit lover. Hence it's relatively safe to assume that the world at large thinks that Inky having a love life is... improper. I find it curious, considering that Andraste had a husband and even a few kids.... though perhaps it's expected for Herald of Andraste to be devoted to the prophet. Or just not have time for taking lovers while they're busy saving the world from imploding - such sentiment can be found among gossip in the tavern, which Cabot is ready to share with us after we're committed to a romance with a selected companion. Which is another thing - we do know that people gossip about Inky's romances, though Josephine can inform us that people will merrily speculate no matter if Inky is committed to being in relationship with someone or not. Yet the pair in Skyhold's main hall will react as if the identity of a chosen paramour is known well enough... although how much is this just a matter of coincidence and how much of knowledge is a matter of debate, especially when they start chatting about impending nuptials right after Solas broke Lavellan's heart ... I always have to chuckle at that, no matter how sorry I am for my elf Inky: a brokenhearted Lavellan comes back to Skyhold only to find that people are literally ordering new gowns that they expect to wear during supposed wedding with Solas That's just cruel. Then there are companions - some appear to know well about given romance and have appropriate dialogue, some only seem to guess who it might be. Vivienne especially makes curious comment about Solas if we romance him, suggesting that she doesn't know the extent of his involvement with Inky... although that could have only been Vivienne being Vivienne In Trespasser she seems to be fully aware of what transpired, as did many other companions, so it's safe to assume the Inner Circle always knew of Inquisitor's chosen lover. I still wonder what the world at large knew - even with officially marrying certain companions it's hard to say how many people know of it, considering that it was a small ceremony in the midst of intense political event that was eventually overshadowed by Qunari mass assassination plot. Lol, funny enough, I have this very thing coming up in my current writing. Now granted the limit of dialogue and whispers we get as players may be due to just that, game/time limitations. But when I listen back through some of the dialogue with Josephine especially, like talking about making connections and having appearances, I am very inclined to believe (headcannon wise) that the knowledge of a lover was kept quiet. Rumors would have spread and perhaps been said in dark corners but I do not think the Inquisitor was ever vocal or flagrantly waving their relationship status. Mostly because of their position and the need of appearances as Josephine mentions. And I believe there is even a codex entry concerning sex in Thedas. If I remember correctly it says that though sex isn't frowned upon, relationships and dalliances being openly displayed and discussed is. So another tick in my opinion of the Inquisitor keeping shit hush hush, or at least discrete. Hmm...pretty sure that made sense...
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 4, 2017 2:23:16 GMT
Lol, funny enough, I have this very thing coming up in my current writing. Now granted the limit of dialogue and whispers we get as players may be due to just that, game/time limitations. But when I listen back through some of the dialogue with Josephine especially, like talking about making connections and having appearances, I am very inclined to believe (headcannon wise) that the knowledge of a lover was kept quiet. Rumors would have spread and perhaps been said in dark corners but I do not think the Inquisitor was ever vocal or flagrantly waving their relationship status. Mostly because of their position and the need of appearances as Josephine mentions. And I believe there is even a codex entry concerning sex in Thedas. If I remember correctly it says that though sex isn't frowned upon, relationships and dalliances being openly displayed and discussed is. So another tick in my opinion of the Inquisitor keeping shit hush hush, or at least discrete. Hmm...pretty sure that made sense... Nah, it did In fact, I forgot to mention that keeping things hush-hush may not just be because of political or societal status quo or whatever opinion the people in general have about Inky having a love life... it may be to protect their significant other, not just from any sort of nasty rumor, jealousy or scrutiny, but from enemies of Inquisition. I bet anyone who wishes Inquisitor ill would be interested with either hurting or kidnapping if they knew there's someone Inky cares a lot about, hence not spreading around information far and wide that Inquisitor has a lover makes sense in that regard.
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Post by close2myheart on Mar 4, 2017 4:51:57 GMT
Well, maybe it depends on who that SO might be. If her last name is Montilyet, I have a hard time picturing things could be kept quiet ... Maybe it's because I always picture Josephine's wedding being opulent, a wedding dress with the 'sky is the limit' kind of budget. Invitations of relatives, friends, close and distant branches of the family. She is heir apparent to a goodstanding house, very close to papa and with her family accepting Inqui with open arms and joy.. kinda hard to picture her having a 'simple' wedding. The idea of 'simple' might even break her dad's heart, LoL. I think the whole Southern Thedas will know if IQ marries Sera (that wedding bell bit gives me that impression, i guess) and I can totally picture Sera announces loudly to the world that yes, IQ is hers, they're madly in love and married. Blackwall and IB, I guess people will most definitely know (esp IB, when you let the Chargers die, by the end of Tresspasser there is a brutal comedy about that). I don't think BW like the idea of his 'sudden celebrity' status, but it's a thing he can (and happilly) ignore. Whilst IB just doesn't give a damn. If that LI is Cass and not Divine, then it will be the organization's (Inquisition, Circle Magi / Templar Order, Seeker, Chantry) worst kept secret. If Cass is Divine, damn. That's too depressing to even think of, let alone write. Cullen. Well, if you marry him, everyone in Halamshiral knows it shortly after. It even causes a lot of noise even for their standard (Cass' words). I guess his main stance on them is 'Deal with it, we're married' and ignore the crowd. He may not talk about it, but I'm sure he'll manage to let the world knows for certain (sure Cullen, lets keep things private between us.. by kissing me passionately by the battlements where patrol guards are heading our way, IN BROAD DAY LIGHT yeah) I can hear the sound of shattered hearts in the Orlesian court.. it's delicious Dorian. Welll... you know how Sotherners feel about the TI. Top that off with their IQ being in love with a Tevinter Magister and I'm sure the Magisterium has a mutually ill sentiment regarding them being a couple (especially if he isn't a mage. Now that's beyond scandalous). This is a kind of relationship that I feel will be kept mostly behind closed doors. Whispers and rumours within the Imperium and Southern part. Because y'know, for appearence sake. Now Solas, this will take things into a whole new ball game (my personal perspective of it anyway) I can see non-elvhens will eye the IQ with high suspicion if s/he does not have enough 'zeal' in wanting to defeat the so called 'Elvhen God'. While some of the elves will view you with awe and some with disdain (the ones who hated Fen'harel be it them knowing/not knowing what he has done) and this is from IQ being in a 'friendly' disposition towards Solas. Being his SO however, to say things are 'complicated' will be a monumental understatement. A breath of rumor about it can be dangerous for both of them (Solas and IQ) Solas has many insanely strong, powerful, and cunning enemies who has millenias worth of grudge they wished to settle. If they can't carve Fen'harel's heart, be sure they will go for the next best thing. Fen'harel's agents and allies will also soon doubt his willingness to go through with his plans because they now know where his heart lies. And that's bad for morale. Equally dangerous if the general population caught wind that the IQ trully DOES love the Dreadwolf. Didn't matter what good she has done in the past, she'd soon be labled as a fallen (or false) hero and what comes after could be pretty devastating for her and other elves. IQ has many powerful enemies too and they'd be more than happy to exploit this situation to their advantage. Any effort she made will be viewd in suspicion that she is only doing things to further the Dreadwolf's agenda. While her not doing anything to stop Fen'harel will add more fuel to those who already has high suspicion over the (former) IQ. This is why I can see the inner circle of both parties will want to keep a tight lid about it. So sad, so sincere in their love and yet it must be kept in silence :'( When being apart is a wiser course of action instead of being together (at least what I felt on Solas' part. He did chose to leave her behind as opposed to taking her in).. .. of course these are my opinions only I suspect many feels differently since we play Lavellans with different heart beats and differents dreams Sorry for the wall o'text.
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