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Post by Amburu on Aug 4, 2016 18:27:24 GMT
I'm just an ordinary mage who likes to save things and has completely nothing to do with bloodmagic I totally dig that Avatar Maker.
Am I the only one who thinks the smallest font is too big? :'<
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Post by Mikado on Aug 4, 2016 18:28:01 GMT
What an irony. I didn't like Merrill But I don't remember why. hmm... time to play DA2 again.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 4, 2016 18:32:46 GMT
It's ok as I prefer dogs Cats are the spawn of satan.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 4, 2016 18:57:55 GMT
If I remember correctly, it was due to the magic amulet that sped up the spread of the taint within her and when the amulet was removed the effects reversed which somehow caused her to lose the taint entirely? But I'm not sure it's actually detailed in the book what happened. Also don't know if dragons blood was involved. And she was the only Grey Warden whose taint was artificially sped up that survived. I think. I'm sensing a theme here =p .... blood magic, lyrium (Titan's blood), dragon blood ... oh my god my mind just went to a terrible place Call me a cat, but I'm curious.
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Post by Julilla on Aug 4, 2016 18:59:43 GMT
About whether or not the artwork means anything (from a few pages back): I think it's better to take the 'reused art asset' view. One of the devs (possibly Weekes?) said that the huge number of wolf statues didn't mean anything - they were just filling space. I know that the proliferation of wolf statues is sometimes assigned to reuse of art assets, as you showed by the weekes quote. But surely the giant one in the foyer of Dirthamen's Temple means something. Also the wolf's statue in the waterfall at Watcher's Reach, specifically mentioned in a codex about how it must be magically maintained cus it hasn't eroded. And the watcher above Watcher's Reach seems deliberately put there (again, codex entry referencing it) and seems a lot like a Dirthamen statue (though I admit I thought maybe it was meant to be a Solas statue at one point in my playthrough). There is a connection btwn Dirthamen and Fen'Harel that we have not had elaborated. Not sure *what*, but it's something. But all those wolves do mean something. They're a heads up if it's your first playthrough. How many times did you kick yourself on subsequent playthroughs and say "I should have known something was up with all these wolves."? They also show that history was written by the winners, and there's a whole boatload of stuff that we didn't know about Fen'Harel and those reasons are why there are statues all over. It's literally like hitting you over the head and telling you to pay attention because you don't know what you think you do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2016 19:01:03 GMT
Thank you for posting the link to the extra Solas dialogue for if he doesn't approve of the Inquisitor. I'd caught some of it on You Tube but I wondered what the alternative options were. Things I notice:
If the Inquisitor killed Abelas and Co, Solas criticises them striking down "some of the few true elves left". So it is pretty clear cut there as to who he considers true elves.
Solas really doesn't have much faith in the Grey Wardens and their expertise with the Blight. When the Warden makes some sarcastic comments about Solas being an expert on that now, his response is "If current wisdom is that you corrupt yourself with darkspawn blood, then any suggestion I offer would have to be better."
I still love his criticism of letting people think you are the Herald of Andraste but I hadn't seen the line before where he outright calls it a lie and that the Inquisitor is keeping the people in ignorance.
It seems such a shame that I never get to hear these things because he likes me because, apart from the true elf one, my Lavellan would so much agree with him. I suppose that is why he approved of me, because right from the outset I kept saying I was not the Herald and was not happy after Adamant when people suggested I should suppress the truth.
What I do notice is that he would approve of the Dalish emphasis on belief in family, just not attributing it the influence of their gods, which you have to admit is rather ironic considering the Evanuris were anything but a big happy family.
The other thing I now think he would approve of was my male Lavellan disbanding the Inquisition in view of his comments about groups of people not willing to surrender power and his low opinion of the Templars, who grew out of the original Inquisition after it was placed under the control of the Chantry.
It is so frustrating that my lovely male Lavellan sees Solas as the enemy now because really they did agree on so much and still would agree about so many things. The one sticking point is Solas' determination to create a fiery chaos, which my lad feels is something of a betrayal of their friendship. What is even more annoying is that Solas totally understands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 19:10:26 GMT
The blood/lyrium talk always brings me back to my theory on the origins of Vallaslin. And Fenris. (I will explain, shortly). We know that lyrium is the blood of a Titan (thank you Decent), and in Trespasser we see that elves did in fact harvest lyrium during the age of Elvhenan. I started to wonder about Fenris' branding. Tevinter stole (or picked the bones) of the ancient elven magics, and this ritual sort of reeks of this type of thing. Merrill comments on how much like Vallaslin Fenris' markings are, and now in retrospect, it seems quite possible that vallaslin may - during at least some of the time of the Evanuris -have been made with lyrium. Not simply elven blood. Danarius also wouldn't have the mojo to do said ritual the way that the most powerful ancient elves, would have been able to apply it, hence why it isn't done often (or successfully) by him or others in Tevinter that may have attempted it. And it also doesn't have exactly a 'gaes' attached to it, at least not one as potent made by say one of the Evanuris. Even with the "slave mentality" Fenris was prone to, perhaps some aspects of a gaes was imbued (i.e. losing memories, and killing the Fog warriors at Danarius' command. Though the losing of the memories may have been the cheap DIY side effect of "control" over said subject, and not the original intention. But not knowing where you come from, who you really are, can be used against a persons free will.). Lastly, there have been some speculation on the mural depicted in Fen'harel's sanctuary in Trespasser, that his removal of said vallaslin added power to his orb (an orb, if I remember correctly, was depicted in the mural). The lyrium and the magic attached to it, may have been one (of possibly many) power sources, that started to fuel the orb. The rest came while Solas slept, going by what he says to the Inquisitor. Just thoughts. Some. For now. I found June's Vallaslin and Fenris' markings to be quite similar, especially the neck area!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 4, 2016 19:14:05 GMT
Solas really doesn't have much faith in the Grey Wardens and their expertise with the Blight. When the Warden makes some sarcastic comments about Solas being an expert on that now, his response is "If current wisdom is that you corrupt yourself with darkspawn blood, then any suggestion I offer would have to be better." See, he says that and then proceeds not to offer any other solution and I am left wanting to smack him again. Solas, always with the rollercoaster of emotions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 19:38:35 GMT
The blood/lyrium talk always brings me back to my theory on the origins of Vallaslin. And Fenris. (I will explain, shortly). We know that lyrium is the blood of a Titan (thank you Decent), and in Trespasser we see that elves did in fact harvest lyrium during the age of Elvhenan. I started to wonder about Fenris' branding. Tevinter stole (or picked the bones) of the ancient elven magics, and this ritual sort of reeks of this type of thing. Merrill comments on how much like Vallaslin Fenris' markings are, and now in retrospect, it seems quite possible that vallaslin may - during at least some of the time of the Evanuris -have been made with lyrium. Not simply elven blood. Danarius also wouldn't have the mojo to do said ritual the way that the most powerful ancient elves, would have been able to apply it, hence why it isn't done often (or successfully) by him or others in Tevinter that may have attempted it. And it also doesn't have exactly a 'gaes' attached to it, at least not one as potent made by say one of the Evanuris. Even with the "slave mentality" Fenris was prone to, perhaps some aspects of a gaes was imbued (i.e. losing memories, and killing the Fog warriors at Danarius' command. Though the losing of the memories may have been the cheap DIY side effect of "control" over said subject, and not the original intention. But not knowing where you come from, who you really are, can be used against a persons free will.). Lastly, there have been some speculation on the mural depicted in Fen'harel's sanctuary in Trespasser, that his removal of said vallaslin added power to his orb (an orb, if I remember correctly, was depicted in the mural). The lyrium and the magic attached to it, may have been one (of possibly many) power sources, that started to fuel the orb. The rest came while Solas slept, going by what he says to the Inquisitor. Just thoughts. Some. For now. I found June's Vallaslin and Fenris' markings to be quite similar, especially the neck area! Me too! I've been theorizing for a while, that June is an Evanuris because he found the way to use lyrium in his inventions (most importantly the eluvian network) and on people without it killing them - or had dwarven slaves who did the work for him. His vallaslin seems to have a little shield worked into the design, so perhaps those elves worked making weapons or in a foundry or something.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 4, 2016 19:42:07 GMT
It seems such a shame that I never get to hear these things because he likes me because, apart from the true elf one, my Lavellan would so much agree with him. I suppose that is why he approved of me, because right from the outset I kept saying I was not the Herald and was not happy after Adamant when people suggested I should suppress the truth. What I do notice is that he would approve of the Dalish emphasis on belief in family, just not attributing it the influence of their gods, which you have to admit is rather ironic considering the Evanuris were anything but a big happy family. Considering how scathing he is about the Evanuris and their society, I don't see his approval of a belief in family as ironic. Which comment are you referring to though? I don't remember him talking about the Dalish belief in family? I also wish my high-approval Lavellan got to hear these things, she would have appreciated hearing his thoughts on the circles and the Maker.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2016 19:56:15 GMT
Sorry I expressed myself badly. I meant the Dalish belief was ironic because they attributed it to the influence of their gods' teaching on having faith and loyalty in the family, when we know what the situation with those gods really was. Obviously Solas' approval of belief in family isn't ironic because I'm sure he totally does believe in family, which is why he says as much. The words are as follows:
Inquisitor: "I don't know if you've noticed, but people could use something to believe in." Solas: "You gave them a lie! Pride, defence, love of family, even the concept of the Inquisition, those are real things."
So essentially if the Dalish were to say "we believe in love of the family" and left it at that, he would totally approve. It is giving the credit to their gods that he would object to.
If you check a few pages back, there is a link to the Solas dialogue that I am quoting. It is a posting by Bayonet Hipshot about half way down page 10. I must admit I rather like reading the dialogue for an angry Solas because you get an insight into what he really feels about certain aspects of the modern world
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Post by Fenassan on Aug 4, 2016 20:02:28 GMT
I wanted to take some nice screenshots today, but Solas wasn't very cooperative. I thought I'd share the worst best ones with you, if that's okay. Fenassan apparently wants to kill him. And Solas wants to hit me in the face. Mr Egg has an old man's back, it seems Fortunately I managed to get a few good pics of him, too, so I didn't waste those few hours completely. Sorry for an image heavy post!
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 4, 2016 20:05:01 GMT
The blood/lyrium talk always brings me back to my theory on the origins of Vallaslin. And Fenris. (I will explain, shortly). We know that lyrium is the blood of a Titan (thank you Decent), and in Trespasser we see that elves did in fact harvest lyrium during the age of Elvhenan. I started to wonder about Fenris' branding. Tevinter stole (or picked the bones) of the ancient elven magics, and this ritual sort of reeks of this type of thing. Merrill comments on how much like Vallaslin Fenris' markings are, and now in retrospect, it seems quite possible that vallaslin may - during at least some of the time of the Evanuris -have been made with lyrium. Not simply elven blood. Danarius also wouldn't have the mojo to do said ritual the way that the most powerful ancient elves, would have been able to apply it, hence why it isn't done often (or successfully) by him or others in Tevinter that may have attempted it. And it also doesn't have exactly a 'gaes' attached to it, at least not one as potent made by say one of the Evanuris. Even with the "slave mentality" Fenris was prone to, perhaps some aspects of a gaes was imbued (i.e. losing memories, and killing the Fog warriors at Danarius' command. Though the losing of the memories may have been the cheap DIY side effect of "control" over said subject, and not the original intention. But not knowing where you come from, who you really are, can be used against a persons free will.). Lastly, there have been some speculation on the mural depicted in Fen'harel's sanctuary in Trespasser, that his removal of said vallaslin added power to his orb (an orb, if I remember correctly, was depicted in the mural). The lyrium and the magic attached to it, may have been one (of possibly many) power sources, that started to fuel the orb. The rest came while Solas slept, going by what he says to the Inquisitor. Just thoughts. Some. For now. I think I made a post pointing out something similar way back, so I'm glad people independently have come to the same conclusion. Fenris' power negates magic to a certain degree, so my guess was that the Evanuris used them as very efficient guards (as everyone being mages would give them an edge against... well, everyone). I don't think the memory loss actually was a part of the ritual though; if you give Fenris back to Danarius he will send you a letter telling you that Fenris was once again acting like his slave and that his memory has been erased. So my guess is that either Fenris simply assumed the ritual stripped him of his memory, or Danarius lied (my money is on the latter). This would also explain why the Evanuris seem to have mined the Titans so thoroughly.
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Post by Julilla on Aug 4, 2016 20:05:56 GMT
I have a lil announcement lethallans, I'm pleased to report that the original Solas thread (by ElitePinecone) and the first Blanketfort thread have both been successfully archived and saved somewhere. At present they won't be made available online or anything like that as it may be that one or several of the community-wide archival/import/other saving efforts succeed. We just thought it was important to save our old threads just in case (safety net). Set your minds to rest Also join me in making a blood sacrifice to warmly thanking our helper elf Mikado who kindly took it upon herself to investigate the matter and sort it out once she'd found a solution. Thankyou Mikado! Mikadothe hero the Blanketfort deserves Woooooo Mikado!!!! You rock!!!
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Post by Julilla on Aug 4, 2016 20:18:09 GMT
OK, and I am going to learn to format on this board. Urrrgggg
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 20:27:46 GMT
The blood/lyrium talk always brings me back to my theory on the origins of Vallaslin. And Fenris. (I will explain, shortly). We know that lyrium is the blood of a Titan (thank you Decent), and in Trespasser we see that elves did in fact harvest lyrium during the age of Elvhenan. I started to wonder about Fenris' branding. Tevinter stole (or picked the bones) of the ancient elven magics, and this ritual sort of reeks of this type of thing. Merrill comments on how much like Vallaslin Fenris' markings are, and now in retrospect, it seems quite possible that vallaslin may - during at least some of the time of the Evanuris -have been made with lyrium. Not simply elven blood. Danarius also wouldn't have the mojo to do said ritual the way that the most powerful ancient elves, would have been able to apply it, hence why it isn't done often (or successfully) by him or others in Tevinter that may have attempted it. And it also doesn't have exactly a 'gaes' attached to it, at least not one as potent made by say one of the Evanuris. Even with the "slave mentality" Fenris was prone to, perhaps some aspects of a gaes was imbued (i.e. losing memories, and killing the Fog warriors at Danarius' command. Though the losing of the memories may have been the cheap DIY side effect of "control" over said subject, and not the original intention. But not knowing where you come from, who you really are, can be used against a persons free will.). Lastly, there have been some speculation on the mural depicted in Fen'harel's sanctuary in Trespasser, that his removal of said vallaslin added power to his orb (an orb, if I remember correctly, was depicted in the mural). The lyrium and the magic attached to it, may have been one (of possibly many) power sources, that started to fuel the orb. The rest came while Solas slept, going by what he says to the Inquisitor. Just thoughts. Some. For now. I think I made a post pointing out something similar way back, so I'm glad people independently have come to the same conclusion. Fenris' power negates magic to a certain degree, so my guess was that the Evanuris used them as very efficient guards (as everyone being mages would give them an edge against... well, everyone). I don't think the memory loss actually was a part of the ritual though; if you give Fenris back to Danarius he will send you a letter telling you that Fenris was once again acting like his slave and that his memory has been erased. So my guess is that either Fenris simply assumed the ritual stripped him of his memory, or Danarius lied (my money is on the latter). This would also explain why the Evanuris seem to have mined the Titans so thoroughly. Doesn't he say that after making love to Hawke he started to get his memory back? Was it touch or something that caused it? I forgot.
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Post by Solas on Aug 4, 2016 20:33:06 GMT
The blood/lyrium talk always brings me back to my theory on the origins of Vallaslin. And Fenris. (I will explain, shortly). We know that lyrium is the blood of a Titan (thank you Decent), and in Trespasser we see that elves did in fact harvest lyrium during the age of Elvhenan. I started to wonder about Fenris' branding. Tevinter stole (or picked the bones) of the ancient elven magics, and this ritual sort of reeks of this type of thing. Merrill comments on how much like Vallaslin Fenris' markings are, and now in retrospect, it seems quite possible that vallaslin may - during at least some of the time of the Evanuris -have been made with lyrium. Not simply elven blood. Danarius also wouldn't have the mojo to do said ritual the way that the most powerful ancient elves, would have been able to apply it, hence why it isn't done often (or successfully) by him or others in Tevinter that may have attempted it. And it also doesn't have exactly a 'gaes' attached to it, at least not one as potent made by say one of the Evanuris. Even with the "slave mentality" Fenris was prone to, perhaps some aspects of a gaes was imbued (i.e. losing memories, and killing the Fog warriors at Danarius' command. Though the losing of the memories may have been the cheap DIY side effect of "control" over said subject, and not the original intention. But not knowing where you come from, who you really are, can be used against a persons free will.). Lastly, there have been some speculation on the mural depicted in Fen'harel's sanctuary in Trespasser, that his removal of said vallaslin added power to his orb (an orb, if I remember correctly, was depicted in the mural). The lyrium and the magic attached to it, may have been one (of possibly many) power sources, that started to fuel the orb. The rest came while Solas slept, going by what he says to the Inquisitor. Just thoughts. Some. For now. I found June's Vallaslin and Fenris' markings to be quite similar, especially the neck area! creepy realization D: june was a monster
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 4, 2016 20:48:31 GMT
I think I made a post pointing out something similar way back, so I'm glad people independently have come to the same conclusion. Fenris' power negates magic to a certain degree, so my guess was that the Evanuris used them as very efficient guards (as everyone being mages would give them an edge against... well, everyone). I don't think the memory loss actually was a part of the ritual though; if you give Fenris back to Danarius he will send you a letter telling you that Fenris was once again acting like his slave and that his memory has been erased. So my guess is that either Fenris simply assumed the ritual stripped him of his memory, or Danarius lied (my money is on the latter). This would also explain why the Evanuris seem to have mined the Titans so thoroughly. Doesn't he say that after making love to Hawke he started to get his memory back? Was it touch or something that caused it? I forgot. He does say that, although we know that he will start to remember things regardless (in his last personal quest he obviously remembers his sister). I think they never stated what caused his memory to return, so it is anyone's guess. It might be that touching him affected his lyrium somehow, or simply that the action reminded him of something and thus jolted his memory. It is possible also that Fenris was lying, and only said so to give himself an "out" of committing himself to Hawke (let's face it, the guy understandably had quite some commitment-issues). My poor Fenris, seeing him so heartbroken afterwards always gets to me... "All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me."
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Post by NightSymphony on Aug 4, 2016 20:56:43 GMT
All this Fenris talk has me wanting to play DA2 and romance him again. Hmm...maybe I will....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 20:59:57 GMT
Doesn't he say that after making love to Hawke he started to get his memory back? Was it touch or something that caused it? I forgot. He does say that, although we know that he will start to remember things regardless (in his last personal quest he obviously remembers his sister). I think they never stated what caused his memory to return, so it is anyone's guess. It might be that touching him affected his lyrium somehow, or simply that the action reminded him of something and thus jolted his memory. It is possible also that Fenris was lying, and only said so to give himself an "out" of committing himself to Hawke (let's face it, the guy understandably had quite some commitment-issues). My poor Fenris, seeing him so heartbroken afterwards always gets to me... "All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me." Okay I could almost hear Solas' voice in that quote. No wonder I went for that bald elf!
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Post by Solas on Aug 4, 2016 21:06:21 GMT
oh my god my mind just went to a terrible place Call me a cat, but I'm curious. okay.. it's terrible to me because it really squicks me out kinda. so the idea is about dragonsblood right? dragons are unusually resistant to the taint and can stem its spread within their own bodies by growing cysts around blighted flesh. though they cannot do this indefinitely, this is super notable. imo btw this "indefinite" thing refers to high dragons (most common 'powerful' dragon in the setting). great dragons are more powerful and more ancient [see why i mention this in a second]. there's all that hoo-hah about the power in the theirin bloodline. qunari belief is that calenhad theirin drank the blood of a great dragon, gaining strength that made him undefeatable. some of that power was passed on in the bloodline (Flemeth's request of Maric shows the line still has power in the blood). a great dragon's blood, not a high dragon's. is the theirin bloodline therefore resistant to the taint? merril also purified a mirror with blood magic, and didnt avernus extend his life through blood magic? we got blood power against the taint all up in here. fiona was pregnant with a child of the bloodline. biologically a mother and her fetus's bloodstreams interact in pregnacy don't they? consider how warden alistair in inquisition isn't off in search of a cure for the calling the way a romanced surviving HoF is. sure, he doesn't know he's resistant to the corruption, consciously, and any cure the HoF finds she'd surely share with her beloved, and he's occupied/distracted by the Corypheus thing, and he can hear the song like all wardens can at that time, but.. I dunno. she's off trying to cure herself of her taint and he seems .. subconsciously less worried. cause he's resistant. theirin bloodline in fiona's pregnancy cured her. maric's magic spunk.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 4, 2016 21:06:24 GMT
And now I almost want to start a Fenris-thread so we can discuss an elf who dumped us but eventually returned without robbing us of our left hand... Edit* Damn, someone beat me to it!
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Post by Mikado on Aug 4, 2016 21:11:34 GMT
Woooooo Mikado!!!! You rock!!! Oh stahp it, you All this Fenris talk has me wanting to play DA2 and romance him again. Hmm...maybe I will.... DO IT : D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 21:12:42 GMT
Call me a cat, but I'm curious. okay.. it's terrible to me because it really squicks me out kinda. so the idea is about dragonsblood right? dragons are unusually resistant to the taint and can stem its spread within their own bodies by growing cysts around blighted flesh. though they cannot do this indefinitely, this is super notable. imo btw this "indefinite" thing refers to high dragons (most common 'powerful' dragon in the setting). great dragons are more powerful and more ancient [see why i mention this in a second]. there's all that hoo-hah about the power in the theirin bloodline. qunari belief is that calenhad theirin drank the blood of a great dragon, gaining strength that made him undefeatable. some of that power was passed on in the bloodline (Flemeth's request of Maric shows the line still has power in the blood). a great dragon's blood, not a high dragon's. is the theirin bloodline therefore resistant to the taint? merril also purified a mirror with blood magic, and didnt avernus extend his life through blood magic? we got blood power against the taint all up in here. fiona was pregnant with a child of the bloodline. biologically a mother and her fetus's bloodstreams interact in pregnacy don't they? consider how warden alistair in inquisition isn't off in search of a cure for the calling the way a romanced surviving HoF is. sure, he doesn't know he's resistant to the corruption, consciously, and any cure the HoF finds she'd surely share with her beloved, and he's occupied/distracted by the Corypheus thing, and he can hear the song like all wardens can at that time, but.. I dunno. she's off trying to cure herself of her taint and he seems .. subconsciously less worried. cause he's resistant. theirin bloodline in fiona's pregnancy cured her. maric's magic spunk. You and I are of one mind my friend.
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