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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 19:41:01 GMT
Both. The players were warned in advance about a pit trap, and despite this, made a bunch of really lousy rolls to cross it. And in the process, their inadequately-secured wizard prisoner managed to escape
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 26, 2018 20:37:23 GMT
Both. The players were warned in advance about a pit trap, and despite this, made a bunch of really lousy rolls to cross it. And in the process, their inadequately-secured wizard prisoner managed to escape Now, in my experience as a GM, the players always do the unexpected BUT they manage to make whatever rolls they have to do to accomplish them. Which just leaves me in tears (usually the good kind) as the party saunters past whatever I had planned. But such is life.
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Post by sirlysander on Jun 26, 2018 21:44:54 GMT
Both. The players were warned in advance about a pit trap, and despite this, made a bunch of really lousy rolls to cross it. And in the process, their inadequately-secured wizard prisoner managed to escape That wizard must have been higher than level 2 - otherwise they'd have had a body, not a prisoner. Ahh... d4 HD. Those were the days.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 21:48:41 GMT
Both. The players were warned in advance about a pit trap, and despite this, made a bunch of really lousy rolls to cross it. And in the process, their inadequately-secured wizard prisoner managed to escape Now, in my experience as a GM, the players always do the unexpected BUT they manage to make whatever rolls they have to do to accomplish them. Which just leaves me in tears (usually the good kind) as the party saunters past whatever I had planned. But such is life. It was comical. The rogue, at least should have easily made the Dexterity check. AS it is, the rogue is starting to become the party wizard (is now an Arcane Trickster and wields a magic staff) The sorcerer is becoming more of a tank (2nd highest in AC and hps in the party) and the fighter seems to be some sort of scholar since he's ALWAYS rolling really high on knowledge checks!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 21:49:24 GMT
Both. The players were warned in advance about a pit trap, and despite this, made a bunch of really lousy rolls to cross it. And in the process, their inadequately-secured wizard prisoner managed to escape That wizard must have been higher than level 2 - otherwise they'd have had a body, not a prisoner. Ahh... d4 HD. Those were the days. AN NPC wizard, with 5d8 for hps, but still only CR1
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 26, 2018 21:52:18 GMT
Now, in my experience as a GM, the players always do the unexpected BUT they manage to make whatever rolls they have to do to accomplish them. Which just leaves me in tears (usually the good kind) as the party saunters past whatever I had planned. But such is life. It was comical. The rogue, at least should have easily made the Dexterity check. AS it is, the rogue is starting to become the party wizard (is now an Arcane Trickster and wields a magic staff) The sorcerer is becoming more of a tank (2nd highest in AC and hps in the party) and the fighter seems to be some sort of scholar since he's ALWAYS rolling really high on knowledge checks! Oh dear. I'll certainly give your players credit for playing outside the normal roles.
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Post by sirlysander on Jun 26, 2018 21:53:10 GMT
The little guy is totally ingratiating himself to the party. THoguh outside of knowing the layout of this specific dungeon, he's going to be pretty much useless to them. This guy. Right here. If he's not dead, don't kill him. Make him into something spectacular for later in the game. That could go either way - the little bugger was learning, gaining levels with the party, and when they need help of "x" type, Henchman to the rescue! Or... *cue evil laugh* this was the mid-game evil mastermind all along, stringing along the party by leading them to get rid of his rivals. Or some variation there. Or, use both - was gonna be the former as long as the party treats him right, but becomes the latter if they don't...
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Post by sirlysander on Jun 26, 2018 21:54:57 GMT
That wizard must have been higher than level 2 - otherwise they'd have had a body, not a prisoner. Ahh... d4 HD. Those were the days. AN NPC wizard, with 5d8 for hps, but still only CR1 Wizard... with 5 d8.... I... I think I need to sit with my 2E books for a while. D8s... That's just crazy talk, there!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 21:57:44 GMT
It was comical. The rogue, at least should have easily made the Dexterity check. AS it is, the rogue is starting to become the party wizard (is now an Arcane Trickster and wields a magic staff) The sorcerer is becoming more of a tank (2nd highest in AC and hps in the party) and the fighter seems to be some sort of scholar since he's ALWAYS rolling really high on knowledge checks! Oh dear. I'll certainly give your players credit for playing outside the normal roles. ANd they're all brand new to 5E as well. The cleric is is newish but not brand new to the edition is playing a pretty standard cleric build, but he does have "sailor" for a background. I'll have to see if I can make use of that....
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 26, 2018 21:58:46 GMT
AN NPC wizard, with 5d8 for hps, but still only CR1 Wizard... with 5 d8.... I... I think I need to sit with my 2E books for a while. D8s... That's just crazy talk, there! I may be wrong, but I think that every NPC in 5th Edition has d8s for hit points. And I have yet to see an out of the box NPC who has character class levels.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 22:00:20 GMT
The little guy is totally ingratiating himself to the party. THoguh outside of knowing the layout of this specific dungeon, he's going to be pretty much useless to them. This guy. Right here. If he's not dead, don't kill him. Make him into something spectacular for later in the game. That could go either way - the little bugger was learning, gaining levels with the party, and when they need help of "x" type, Henchman to the rescue! Or... *cue evil laugh* this was the mid-game evil mastermind all along, stringing along the party by leading them to get rid of his rivals. Or some variation there. Or, use both - was gonna be the former as long as the party treats him right, but becomes the latter if they don't... The previously-mentioned party cleric has really taken a shine to him. Even talking about hiring him on to be a henchman. I intended to simply use him as a way to foreshadow events going on further east that will comprise the next module. But maybe I can do something with him. Not as a villain, but as a convert for the cleric. A goblin paladin?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 22:01:54 GMT
Wizard... with 5 d8.... I... I think I need to sit with my 2E books for a while. D8s... That's just crazy talk, there! I may be wrong, but I think that every NPC in 5th Edition has d8s for hit points. And I have yet to see an out of the box NPC who has character class levels. Yeah, NPCs don't really get class levels as sop anymore. Less of a headache for DMs. But it also means players and monsters effectively play by two different sets of rules.
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 26, 2018 22:04:15 GMT
This guy. Right here. If he's not dead, don't kill him. Make him into something spectacular for later in the game. That could go either way - the little bugger was learning, gaining levels with the party, and when they need help of "x" type, Henchman to the rescue! Or... *cue evil laugh* this was the mid-game evil mastermind all along, stringing along the party by leading them to get rid of his rivals. Or some variation there. Or, use both - was gonna be the former as long as the party treats him right, but becomes the latter if they don't... The previously-mentioned party cleric has really taken a shine to him. Even talking about hiring him on to be a henchman. I intended to simply use him as a way to foreshadow events going on further east that will comprise the next module. But maybe I can do something with him. Not as a villain, but as a convert for the cleric. A goblin paladin? One of my groups had a goblin tag along with us for a while. And then, when someone had to die to open a puzzle, he sacrificed himself for the party. And one of us is still carrying around his pickaxe.
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Post by sirlysander on Jun 26, 2018 22:09:06 GMT
This guy. Right here. If he's not dead, don't kill him. Make him into something spectacular for later in the game. That could go either way - the little bugger was learning, gaining levels with the party, and when they need help of "x" type, Henchman to the rescue! Or... *cue evil laugh* this was the mid-game evil mastermind all along, stringing along the party by leading them to get rid of his rivals. Or some variation there. Or, use both - was gonna be the former as long as the party treats him right, but becomes the latter if they don't... The previously-mentioned party cleric has really taken a shine to him. Even talking about hiring him on to be a henchman. I intended to simply use him as a way to foreshadow events going on further east that will comprise the next module. But maybe I can do something with him. Not as a villain, but as a convert for the cleric. A goblin paladin? That is awesome. Just... don't reveal it to the cleric just how *successful* he was at converting the little blighter - until the Proverbial hits the Mover-of-Air, and ye Olde Henchman lays out a Smite. Then give the cleric's player the character sheet for his Most Trusted Follower... (and cue the not-so-evil snickering when you do that).
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Post by sirlysander on Jun 26, 2018 22:12:30 GMT
I may be wrong, but I think that every NPC in 5th Edition has d8s for hit points. And I have yet to see an out of the box NPC who has character class levels. Yeah, NPCs don't really get class levels as sop anymore. Less of a headache for DMs. But it also means players and monsters effectively play by two different sets of rules. Yea, I've heard that. Haven't played 5th yet, so don't have any practical experience with it. Looking at the PHB, it looks like they did pull inspiration form 1E/2E, some from 3/3.5/Pathfinder, and ditched a lot of the "This is really a computer game programming manual" aspects of 4E (*spit* - eh, excuse me). But that's just from reading, one of the core books, not anything practical.
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 26, 2018 22:24:50 GMT
Would y'all mind if I share some of my own stories?
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Post by sirlysander on Jun 26, 2018 22:48:11 GMT
Would y'all mind if I share some of my own stories? Go right ahead!
I'd have to put some thought to mine - both in remembering (heh) and generalizing in the sense of removing in-jokes or giving pages of explanation to why "That halfling is as shady as f***...."
In an old, and short-lived Ravenloft campaign (and no, not short lived because Ravenloft, actually), I had a cleric... I want to say of Fharlanghn, but now that doesn't sound right... that was a bigger thief than the party thief. Embezzlement for the win!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 26, 2018 22:56:10 GMT
Would y'all mind if I share some of my own stories? Please do!
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 27, 2018 0:43:42 GMT
So this isn’t technically a D&D story, but it is still pen and paper, I hope that's fine. I’m going to do my best to summarize an entire (admittedly short) campaign in one post, so this might be a little long but I’ll try to keep it as short as possible. This was the first game I ever game-mastered and it was a little… unusual and very ramshackle at times. It was just me and one player, mostly because the rest of our group was busy at the time and we really wanted to play something, anything. The game itself was Vampire: the Dark Ages, I think; whatever it was it was heavily modified and barely recognizable. The setting was basically feudal Japan (mostly because I'd just finished watching the Extra History series on the Sengoku Jidai), minus the samurai being the absolute law of the land. My dear player decided to play as a land-owning samurai, which led to the game being more of a conquest game, with some roleplaying here and there, and a little bit of intrigue thrown in on top of that. The Inciting Incident! I wanted to establish that this game was going to involve intrigue and would be about shaking the current order of things; I did this by assassinating the divinely ordained emperor (he was poisoned so there was uncertainty about whether his death was illness or not) and leaving his prepubescent son as the only legal heir. Backstory Mining Conveniently my dear player had established that his family had a dynastic feud going with one of the other major noble houses, so I decided that the empress turned queen-mother was a member of the rival house. Now I wasn’t going to be a jerk and bring the hammer down on him straight out of the gate, that would be in bad taste in-universe as his family hadn’t technically done anything illegal yet. But he was still hesitant (rightfully so) when he was invited to the capital for the coronation of the new child emperor, but being that it was his duty to do so as a vassal, he still went. The World's Saddest Poem So Mr. Samurai Lord arrives at the capital and being that he has the poetry skill, he composes a funeral poem (I’m sure there’s a better term for that) and he reads it in front of the mourning court. And rolls almost perfectly leading to several members of the court (including the normally stoic empress) to break down crying. Though I didn’t know it at the time, this would be how he rolled for the entire game, at least when it would do maximum damage to my preparation. The Vote So after the previous emperor is buried and the new emperor crowned, the nobles gather to sort something out; who gets to be the child-emperor’s regent? The solution, someone suggested, would be to have the assembled nobles vote on it. Now, I had planned for this to be a sort of show of force for the rival house, the patriarch of whom was basically a guaranteed winner being that he was a respected statesman, successful military leader and the maternal grandfather of the child emperor. But my dear player stepped in and said, “I’m going to try to sway the vote in my house’s favor!” So he made some rolls… and nailed it. Conclusion His house’s patriarch was named regent and that set in motion events that would lead to a civil war that would destroy the power base of the bureaucratic nobility that had kept the realm together for centuries, leaving the samurai as the dominant power of land, establishing a Shogun that was more powerful than the emperor and leaving the nation peaceful for a couple centuries until, Sengoku style, the samurai started fighting over the position of Shogun. But that was a later game that never came to be. There was a surprising amount that happened in the five or six sessions we played (turns out players can get a lot done when it's all one person making the decisions), including several assassination attempts, successful assassinations, making deals with criminals, general treachery, adultery, kangaroo courts, and beheading rivals. And while it was fun, I have long since lost my notes (which is why I didn’t use any proper nouns, I just don’t remember them) so a good chunk of the specifics are lost to time.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 27, 2018 13:28:20 GMT
Sounds like you were really able to think on your feet there!
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Post by Iakus on Jul 9, 2018 16:51:27 GMT
So ran with my group again last night. In the end, they decided NOT to keep the goblin with them. Surprisingly, because they were worried that he'd get hurt traveling with them. Their current patron has agreed to "find something for him to do" So I'll have to come up with stuff he'll be doing while "off-screen". Maybe have him hang out at the Shrine of Tymora in town. Meanwhile, the group went hiking in the hills, looking for the brothers of an NPC who has been kidnapped by goblins. Problem is, they don't know where they are camped (nor do they know that they have been captured as well, and one of them is dead) Still, from pretty good guesswork, they actually came within a couple of miles of the final dungeon of the campaign. THAT would have been interesting. They probably couldn't handle it at their level As it is, they kept on wandering and ended up meeting a cave full of orcs. There was a bounty for clearing out that den anyway, but I think the ogre with them came as a surprise.
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Post by sirlysander on Jul 9, 2018 22:53:15 GMT
So ran with my group again last night. In the end, they decided NOT to keep the goblin with them. Surprisingly, because they were worried that he'd get hurt traveling with them. Their current patron has agreed to "find something for him to do" So I'll have to come up with stuff he'll be doing while "off-screen". Maybe have him hang out at the Shrine of Tymora in town. While very setting-specific ( Birthright - Cuiraecen and Forgotten Realms - Horus) the little bugger could, possibly, theoretically, become a Paladin of Tymora. The group could begin to hear rumors of a "strange Paladin" operating near them, after a few (in game) years or so... Meanwhile, the group went hiking in the hills, looking for the brothers of an NPC who has been kidnapped by goblins. Problem is, they don't know where they are camped (nor do they know that they have been captured as well, and one of them is dead) Not sure who's captured here - the goblins with captives were, themselves, captured? Or the Party? Still, from pretty good guesswork, they actually came within a couple of miles of the final dungeon of the campaign. THAT would have been interesting. They probably couldn't handle it at their level One of the things I warn players of when I DM is I very, very rarely scale. If it's an Ancient Red Dragon, it's an Ancient Red Dragon, even if they're barely level 2. Running away can be a very good tactic, when appropriate. As it is, they kept on wandering and ended up meeting a cave full of orcs. There was a bounty for clearing out that den anyway, but I think the ogre with them came as a surprise. Ha!
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Post by Iakus on Jul 10, 2018 17:02:05 GMT
So ran with my group again last night. In the end, they decided NOT to keep the goblin with them. Surprisingly, because they were worried that he'd get hurt traveling with them. Their current patron has agreed to "find something for him to do" So I'll have to come up with stuff he'll be doing while "off-screen". Maybe have him hang out at the Shrine of Tymora in town. While very setting-specific ( Birthright - Cuiraecen and Forgotten Realms - Horus) the little bugger could, possibly, theoretically, become a Paladin of Tymora. The group could begin to hear rumors of a "strange Paladin" operating near them, after a few (in game) years or so... I had thought about that. But he really is incompetent at combat. I think giving him a martial class like that would be strange. There is a subclass of warlock where you can make a pact with a good-aligned celestial being. Perhaps with one of Tymora's agents? He'd be more of a caster then. Also, the priestess who tends the shrine is also a Harper agent There are three dwarf brothers. One they know has been kidnapped and taken to the local goblin king. The party is looking for the other two brothers, who have also been captured (though the party does not know this yet) and one of the brothers has since died in captivity. There are actually several encounters like that in the next module I'll be running. [/quote] It was a CR5 encounter, and they were level 3. Let's just say it was a good thing they went into this fight fresh. Amusingly, the fight might have been easier if they hadn't managed to silently take out the lookout guarding the entrance of the cave. The orcs might have broken and run when their leader went down. But as it is, they had no back exit, and the party was between them and the cave mouth, so they had nowhere to go but through the party
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Post by sirlysander on Jul 10, 2018 23:46:29 GMT
While very setting-specific ( Birthright - Cuiraecen and Forgotten Realms - Horus) the little bugger could, possibly, theoretically, become a Paladin of Tymora. The group could begin to hear rumors of a "strange Paladin" operating near them, after a few (in game) years or so... I had thought about that. But he really is incompetent at combat. I think giving him a martial class like that would be strange. There is a subclass of warlock where you can make a pact with a good-aligned celestial being. Perhaps with one of Tymora's agents? He'd be more of a caster then. Also, the priestess who tends the shrine is also a Harper agent You know your NPCs better than I, LOL. I like messing with the party along the "but everyone knows that!" lines. There are three dwarf brothers. One they know has been kidnapped and taken to the local goblin king. The party is looking for the other two brothers, who have also been captured (though the party does not know this yet) and one of the brothers has since died in captivity. Gotcha. Misdirection and slight of hand... There are actually several encounters like that in the next module I'll be running. There's an old Birthright module that subverts the "if it has stats, it can be killed" trope - the players have to infiltrate a Big Bad's (minor) fortress (he has several) to rescue a prisoner. The Big Bad happens to be in residence, and the party will meet him. The module explicitly does not stat the Big Bad (technically, though, he's statted in the Campaign Setting books), and the DM is bluntly told "he has any weapon proficiency and mastery needed". It goes on to say that the Big Bad is sick of the "prisoner" (and their incessant prattle), so if they would kindly take it and GTFO, they won't die. If they try to initiate combat (heh... try...) kill a player. If they retreat, let them go, otherwise keep killing the players until they retreat or only one remains and is down to ~5 HP, then the Big Bad takes them and the "prisoner" and dumps them at the gates, telling the remaining one to "just effing GO already." It was a CR5 encounter, and they were level 3. Let's just say it was a good thing they went into this fight fresh. Amusingly, the fight might have been easier if they hadn't managed to silently take out the lookout guarding the entrance of the cave. The orcs might have broken and run when their leader went down. But as it is, they had no back exit, and the party was between them and the cave mouth, so they had nowhere to go but through the party LOL. Hate it when that happens!
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