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Post by Sanunes on Jan 28, 2018 14:28:28 GMT
I think YongYea(of course) did a long video on the Cyberpunk 2077 rumors about it being scaled back. I hope not, having some character creation in a cdpr game sounded great but if they cut that? Hmm. Kind of surprising Anthem is make or break, I thought it might be, but Inquisition wasn't that far back. It's not like it's been several games in a row that were thrown into the internet grinder of judgment. I need more then just a video from YongYea to believe that CDPR has gone back to scrap major aspects of the game. If they have it means they are in trouble because they are rushing to meet a deadline, in a lot of ways like people are carrying on about Anthem. Honestly Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect: Andromeda were all ripped apart on the internet. Since EA doesn't release numbers we don't know how they really did as far as meeting internal expectations. Right now I honestly believe that no matter the quality of game that BioWare releases the angry mob is going to find some reason to hate the game and then you will have people then attaching themselves to that to "prove" that BioWare is a bad developer or whatever they want to say. What I want to see in Anthem is BioWare finally developing a spine and giving the middle finger to the people that keep saying what they need to do to their games to make them better. They are the only studio I see that really tries to cater to the internet mob and they keep suffering because of it. The majority of developers just continue making games that fit what they want to do and might incorporate a feature/adjustment or two to make the game better, but BioWare keeps going back to re-invent the wheel.
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Post by simit on Jan 28, 2018 15:39:52 GMT
Got to agree with nigh everything you said Sanunes an if im honest one of my fears for this game is they actually release a good game but then start pandering to "vocal" minorities
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 28, 2018 21:04:37 GMT
Those people/leadership who produced those best RPGs are no longer with Bioware. The core people who made NWN, Baulder's Gate, KOTOR, and Mass Effect are NOT making Anthem. Some members of the Anthem team did work on those games. But is it that same vision? Back when NWN, BG, and KOTOR was being made, they focused ONLY on the SP aspects of the game. They weren't trying to match or copy the style of another game. Anyone who thinks that the vision of Anthem is the same as....KOTOR and NWN are fooling themselves. The only thing Anthem shares with the previous games is that they are all developed by Bioware. The bulk of the teams and culture within them are vastly different. I wish I could find some old interviews from the Doctors talking about their scope and vision of Bioware....
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 28, 2018 21:46:25 GMT
But is it that same vision? You didn't ask about the vision, you asked about people. Some are there that worked on those games and they are making Anthem, heck Mark Darrah (Anthem's Exec Producer) has been there over 20 years. Ok, 'vision' then: Casey was tweeting the other day about 'Story & character' being at the heart of what they are doing. Oh, and from 2002: "BioWare's goal with the project (NWN)was to try to capture the subtleties of a pen-and-paper role-playing session in a computer game." So they were trying to match and copy the style of another game, if a physical one and were inspired (copied) Ultima Online. Link. Baldur's Gate matched and copied from Dungeon's and Dragons. KOTOR matched and copied from Star Wars. Currently, we have BioWare developing new IP's, good for them.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 28, 2018 23:49:02 GMT
But is it that same vision? You didn't ask about the vision, you asked about people. Some are there that worked on those games and they are making Anthem, heck Mark Darrah (Anthem's Exec Producer) has been there over 20 years. Ok, 'vision' then: Casey was tweeting the other day about 'Story & character' being at the heart of what they are doing. Oh, and from 2002: "BioWare's goal with the project (NWN)was to try to capture the subtleties of a pen-and-paper role-playing session in a computer game." So they were trying to match and copy the style of another game, if a physical one and were inspired (copied) Ultima Online. Link. Baldur's Gate matched and copied from Dungeon's and Dragons. KOTOR matched and copied from Star Wars. Currently, we have BioWare developing new IP's, good for them. Ok, we shall see how it all turns out. E3 2018 should give more perspective on the nature of the game..... Me personally, I think Anthem is doomed to fail. Unlike NWN which was still core to what they do as they did it with BG, Anthem is completely different. Also unlike NWN, EA wasn't breathing down their necks making them add/subtract things that mainly focuses on improving revenue, like MTs and online components. The fact that DA4 is being "rebooted" to include "live" services shows how far from their core values they are reaching in order to satisfy their EA masters.
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Post by apollexander on Jan 29, 2018 3:06:13 GMT
SWKOTOR was very different from DND based games. Jade Empire was very different from previous Bioware games and was trying to copy popular Action games. Mass Effect was very different from previous Bioware games and was trying to copy TPS. Dragon Age Origins was trying to copy the popular POV and manipulation like WOW. Mass Effect 2 was very different from Mass Effect and was trying to copy more from popular TPS. Dragon Age 2 was very different from Dragon Age Origins. Mass Effect 3 was trying to copy more from Gears of War. Dragon Age Inquisition was very different from previous Bioware games and trying to copy and Ubisoft's open world or Skyrim. Mass Effect Andromeda was very different from previous Mass Effect games and trying to copy Kingdoms of Amalur. Anthem ... Well, I suppose Baldur's Gate was very different from Shattered Steel and trying to copy DND.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 29, 2018 6:32:39 GMT
Me personally, I think Anthem is doomed to fail. We know, and yes, we will see...
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 29, 2018 20:43:59 GMT
I think YongYea(of course) did a long video on the Cyberpunk 2077 rumors about it being scaled back. I hope not, having some character creation in a cdpr game sounded great but if they cut that? Hmm. Kind of surprising Anthem is make or break, I thought it might be, but Inquisition wasn't that far back. It's not like it's been several games in a row that were thrown into the internet grinder of judgment. I need more then just a video from YongYea to believe that CDPR has gone back to scrap major aspects of the game. If they have it means they are in trouble because they are rushing to meet a deadline, in a lot of ways like people are carrying on about Anthem. Honestly Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect: Andromeda were all ripped apart on the internet. Since EA doesn't release numbers we don't know how they really did as far as meeting internal expectations. Right now I honestly believe that no matter the quality of game that BioWare releases the angry mob is going to find some reason to hate the game and then you will have people then attaching themselves to that to "prove" that BioWare is a bad developer or whatever they want to say. What I want to see in Anthem is BioWare finally developing a spine and giving the middle finger to the people that keep saying what they need to do to their games to make them better. They are the only studio I see that really tries to cater to the internet mob and they keep suffering because of it. The majority of developers just continue making games that fit what they want to do and might incorporate a feature/adjustment or two to make the game better, but BioWare keeps going back to re-invent the wheel. Well...there is this to be fair. I don't see it as a middle finger, but it is BioWare sticking to their guns in the end regardless of the angry mob. They lost that spark with Andromeda though...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 22:25:10 GMT
SWKOTOR was very different from DND based games. KotOR used the D20 rule set like NWN, it was even built using a heavily modified aurora engine. To say they're very different isn't strictly true. Are they very different games? Yes that's very true. Their underlining mechanics aren't that different however.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 30, 2018 8:52:35 GMT
I'll just leave this here...
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 30, 2018 8:57:56 GMT
I'll just leave this here... Thanks, another video I wont watch
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 30, 2018 9:10:45 GMT
I'll just leave this here... Thanks, another video I wont watch If you wish to remain knowingly ignorant of the situation of this industry, then more power to you.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 30, 2018 9:56:46 GMT
Thanks, another video I wont watch If you wish to remain knowingly ignorant of the situation of this industry, then more power to you. So, by being in the industry, not watching particular video, I remain ignorant of the situation. What does this tell you?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 30, 2018 10:11:19 GMT
If you wish to remain knowingly ignorant of the situation of this industry, then more power to you. So, by being in the industry, not watching particular video, I remain ignorant of the situation. What does this tell you? Personally, it tells me you've made up your mind about a particular issue, and don't care about views that possibility disagree with your own. Just like every politician ever. You went out of your way, to respond to my post, because you wanted to make it clear as day, based on nothing but whose video it is or its title, that you think it's ridiculous and refuse to watch it because you are closed minded and believe you're perspective is the "correct" one. That is what it tells me.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 30, 2018 10:21:03 GMT
Thanks, another video I wont watch If you wish to remain knowingly ignorant of the situation of this industry, then more power to you. Who cares about the industry, really? How does it affect you in the end?
If the game's not fun, don't buy/play it. Don't like microtransactions? Don't be so feeble minded as to purchase them. Have some fetish against preordering? Then don't do it.
Whatever índustry'decides, they always follow the money. No matter how many videos I watch, that won't change. Buying or not buying, that makes a change. Don't make it more complicated for yourself than it needs to be. You'll just worry for nothing.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 30, 2018 10:23:51 GMT
So, by being in the industry, not watching particular video, I remain ignorant of the situation. What does this tell you? Personally, it tells me you've made up your mind about a particular issue, and don't care about views that possibility disagree with your own. Just like every politician ever. You went out of your way, to respond to my post, because you wanted to make it clear as day, based on nothing but whose video it is or its title, that you think it's ridiculous and refuse to watch it because you are closed minded and believe you're perspective is the "correct" one. That is what it tells me. Okay, so we both SEEM to have made up our minds lets not continue this. 'Tis a silly argument.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 30, 2018 10:33:47 GMT
If you wish to remain knowingly ignorant of the situation of this industry, then more power to you. Who cares about the industry, really? How does it affect you in the end?
If the game's not fun, don't buy/play it. Don't like microtransactions? Don't be so feeble minded as to purchase them. Have some fetish against preordering? Then don't do it.
Whatever índustry'decides, they always follow the money. No matter how many videos I watch, that won't change. Buying or not buying, that makes a change. Don't make it more complicated for yourself than it needs to be. You'll just worry for nothing.
It affects me greatly, because video games are how I enjoy my free time. Perhaps the concept of being passionate about something you care about is a foreign idea to you, I can't know that. What I do know, is apathy is how the problem gets worse. You can sit there and do nothing, and act like it's pointless if you wish, you are entitled to do so. I did not in my initial post mock him or degrade his choice, I made an observation based upon his fully volunteered reaction. I already don't do any of the things you described, but you are taking upon yourself, to tell me who cares about the thing I care about, as if does not matter. It does not matter to YOU, and that is fine, but I hardly think that gives you the right to tell ME that something I obviously care about, does not matter, as if it is empirical fact.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 30, 2018 10:46:12 GMT
Who cares about the industry, really? How does it affect you in the end?
If the game's not fun, don't buy/play it. Don't like microtransactions? Don't be so feeble minded as to purchase them. Have some fetish against preordering? Then don't do it.
Whatever índustry'decides, they always follow the money. No matter how many videos I watch, that won't change. Buying or not buying, that makes a change. Don't make it more complicated for yourself than it needs to be. You'll just worry for nothing.
It Perhaps the concept of being passionate about something you care about is a foreign idea to you, I can't know that. Oohh, edgy.
You misinterpreted the grammatical mood of my text as indicative, where it was imperative. Also, I would like to kindly inform that it's not because I quoted you that the post is directed in singular towards you. If that would have been the case, I would have PM'd you. This is a forum, and every post written is directed at the community, unless stated otherwise.
As for the rest of your post's body: Life happened to me. As much as I am still passionate about gaming in my free time, growing older (wiser? I don't know, I'd never use that term to describe myself) has thaught me perspective.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 30, 2018 10:58:38 GMT
It Perhaps the concept of being passionate about something you care about is a foreign idea to you, I can't know that. Oohh, edgy.
You misinterpreted the grammatical mood of my text as indicative, where it was imperative. Also, I would like to kindly inform that it's not because I quoted you that the post is directed in singular towards you. If that would have been the case, I would have PM'd you. This is a forum, and every post written is directed at the community, unless stated otherwise.
As for the rest of your post's body: Life happened to me. As much as I am still passionate about gaming in my free time, growing older (wiser? I don't know, I'd never use that term to describe myself) has thaught me perspective.
"Life" happens to everyone. I make car payments, pay for my house, my insurance, file my taxes, deal with family and health problems. I can barely afford those things you need to get by in life, I have to save for months to buy 1 game. Having "Life" happen to you is hardly in my mind a reason to not care about something related to your entertainment. Entertainment is a very important aspect of peoples lives, and just because it is not a necessity to continue living does not make it less important.
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Post by river82 on Jan 30, 2018 22:12:23 GMT
After a statement has been filtered through a PR department it ends up wanting to paint things in the most positive light, and one of the ways they do this is to not use words with negative connotations (also reasons that could convey a negative image of the process is also avoided, but I won't deal with that). Delay is one such word because when someone says something is "delayed", people start conjuring up all sorts of bad circumstances in their head - "things are going wrong, Bioware's doomed, welp another ME3 ending etc etc".
So one such tactic would be to not use the word "delay" but rather use another word instead. Or another sequence of words. However Blake Jorgensen shows everyone how not to do this. The trick is to use alternate wording, not to deny wording. By claiming it's "not a delay" when the meaning of "delay" is to "postpone something", not only is Blake being an idiot but he's now losing the trust of the audience. Why? Because the audience recognise he's being deliberately deceptive, and treating readers like fools - we know what the meaning of "delay" is, Blake. At this point people will start looking at his reasoning in a more critical light.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 30, 2018 22:22:34 GMT
After a statement has been filtered through a PR department it ends up wanting to paint things in the most positive light, and one of the ways they do this is to not use words with negative connotations (also reasons that could convey a negative image of the process is also avoided, but I won't deal with that). Delay is one such word because when someone says something is "delayed", people start conjuring up all sorts of bad circumstances in their head - "things are going wrong, Bioware's doomed, welp another ME3 ending etc etc". So one such tactic would be to not use the word "delay" but rather use another word instead. Or another sequence of words. However Blake Jorgensen shows everyone how not to do this. The trick is to use alternate wording, not to deny wording. By claiming it's "not a delay" when the meaning of "delay" is to "postpone something", not only is Blake being an idiot but he's now losing the trust of the audience. Why? Because the audience recognise he's being deliberately deceptive, and treating readers like fools - we know what the meaning of "delay" is, Blake. At this point people will start looking at his reasoning in a more critical light. It's amazing how poorly some of these big gaming publishers handle PR. It's like they think it's still late 90s/early 2000s, when they could talk to the public this way without much scrutiny.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 30, 2018 22:51:38 GMT
After a statement has been filtered through a PR department it ends up wanting to paint things in the most positive light, and one of the ways they do this is to not use words with negative connotations (also reasons that could convey a negative image of the process is also avoided, but I won't deal with that). Delay is one such word because when someone says something is "delayed", people start conjuring up all sorts of bad circumstances in their head - "things are going wrong, Bioware's doomed, welp another ME3 ending etc etc". So one such tactic would be to not use the word "delay" but rather use another word instead. Or another sequence of words. However Blake Jorgensen shows everyone how not to do this. The trick is to use alternate wording, not to deny wording. By claiming it's "not a delay" when the meaning of "delay" is to "postpone something", not only is Blake being an idiot but he's now losing the trust of the audience. Why? Because the audience recognise he's being deliberately deceptive, and treating readers like fools - we know what the meaning of "delay" is, Blake. At this point people will start looking at his reasoning in a more critical light. It's amazing how poorly some of these big gaming publishers handle PR. It's like they think it's still late 90s/early 2000s, when they could talk to the public this way without much scrutiny. They usually hire professional firms for it. Most of the professional firms are given short notice and make do with what they got though.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jan 30, 2018 23:32:18 GMT
Looks like Jason is right once again. And people actually hated him lol
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