inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 5, 2020 20:54:02 GMT
Besides, you can always attract new people into the game That depends. The new people attracted into ME:A weren't enough to save it from being dropped on release, Montreal to be viable and ME to be sustainable. With the added damage done to the franchise by ME:A, how likely is it that the next game will completely turn things around?
|
|
Highwayman667
N3
"In uncertainty, find infinite possibility"
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
Posts: 522 Likes: 722
inherit
11507
0
Jun 22, 2021 18:16:33 GMT
722
Highwayman667
"In uncertainty, find infinite possibility"
522
May 10, 2020 13:11:01 GMT
May 2020
highwayman667
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 5, 2020 21:50:49 GMT
That depends. The new people attracted into ME:A weren't enough to save it from being dropped on release, Montreal to be viable and ME to be sustainable. With the added damage done to the franchise by ME:A, how likely is it that the next game will completely turn things around? Go home sirpetrakus, you're still drunk.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 5, 2020 21:54:43 GMT
Go home sirpetrakus, you're still drunk. Does that mean you have no argument to make? Because defeat is always an option. Not a good option, but an option nonetheless.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 6, 2020 7:30:35 GMT
Not sure how that logic follows Of course, there’s no guarantee that any alternatives don’t have a negative impact on the fanbase. That's the logic. According to alanc9 , the further shrinking of the fanbase is inevitable, therefore Bioware shouldn't even attempt to rectify it. But I've yet to come across a business whose target wasn't growth. The logic is inherently flawed. With regard to the “old fans”, he’s probably right, however. After years of bitching and moaning, it’s clear that anything BioWare does is going to piss off a number of people. “Rectification” of the trilogy ending, whatever that actually entails, Andromeda sequel, a totally disconnected soft reboot, whatever, is going to probably be massively divisive. It only speaks to the short-term effect anyway. Long-term growth will only be determined by whether or not whatever they come up with is actually good quality entertainment.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 6, 2020 7:36:55 GMT
Besides, you can always attract new people into the game That depends. The new people attracted into ME:A weren't enough to save it from being dropped on release, Montreal to be viable and ME to be sustainable. With the added damage done to the franchise by ME:A, how likely is it that the next game will completely turn things around? Like you said, it depends. Whether or not something is likely to turn things around isn’t an argument that can be made specific to Andromeda, because Andromeda is far from being the franchise’s sole problem. After all, the game only exists because of the widely hated ending, on top of the numerous variables in how to handle moving forward without having to deal with the massive, universe altering world states. If anything, it’s more the endings’ hugely divergent states more than negative fan sentiment that got us here. I could argue that trying to address the ending would just be reopening that can of clusterfuck and it would just make matters worse.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 6, 2020 7:40:14 GMT
That depends. The new people attracted into ME:A weren't enough to save it from being dropped on release, Montreal to be viable and ME to be sustainable. With the added damage done to the franchise by ME:A, how likely is it that the next game will completely turn things around? Like you said, it depends. Whether or not something is likely to turn things around isn’t an argument that can be made specific to Andromeda, because Andromeda is far from being the franchise’s sole problem. After all, the game only exists because of the widely hated ending, on top of the numerous variables in how to handle moving forward without having to deal with the massive, universe altering world states. If anything, it’s more the endings’ hugely divergent states more than negative fan sentiment that got us here. I could argue that trying to address the ending would just be reopening that can of clusterfuck and it would just make matters worse. So... Leave the franchise on ice indifferently then?
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 6, 2020 7:48:28 GMT
Like you said, it depends. Whether or not something is likely to turn things around isn’t an argument that can be made specific to Andromeda, because Andromeda is far from being the franchise’s sole problem. After all, the game only exists because of the widely hated ending, on top of the numerous variables in how to handle moving forward without having to deal with the massive, universe altering world states. If anything, it’s more the endings’ hugely divergent states more than negative fan sentiment that got us here. I could argue that trying to address the ending would just be reopening that can of clusterfuck and it would just make matters worse. So... Leave the franchise on ice indifferently then? Maybe, but what I’m arguing is that whatever game BioWare makes isn’t going to survive due to how well it markets to old fans; it’ll only survive on it actually being a legitimately good game. Like, if they went back to the Milky Way, which people love to argue is the only way to save it, that won’t make a difference if the game turns out to be shit anyway. But then, that game also has the added burden of determining where to put all that baggage the old trilogy left behind.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 6, 2020 7:53:08 GMT
So... Leave the franchise on ice indifferently then? Maybe, but what I’m arguing is that whatever game BioWare makes isn’t going to survive due to how well it markets to old fans; it’ll only survive on it actually being a legitimately good game. Like, if they went back to the Milky Way, which people love to argue is the only way to save it, that won’t make a difference if the game turns out to be shit anyway. But then, that game also has the added burden of determining where to put all that baggage the old trilogy left behind. Leaving it on ice indifferently seems like the most logical step. No matter which way you look at it, it's going to piss one group or the other. Glad I don't have to choose.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
Apr 22, 2024 18:35:27 GMT
9,167
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,821
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Jun 6, 2020 20:42:28 GMT
Maybe, but what I’m arguing is that whatever game BioWare makes isn’t going to survive due to how well it markets to old fans; it’ll only survive on it actually being a legitimately good game. Like, if they went back to the Milky Way, which people love to argue is the only way to save it, that won’t make a difference if the game turns out to be shit anyway. But then, that game also has the added burden of determining where to put all that baggage the old trilogy left behind. Leaving it on ice indifferently seems like the most logical step. No matter which way you look at it, it's going to piss one group or the other. Glad I don't have to choose. I'm a bit less gloomy about it. By the time MENext actually ships, the percentage of the potential player base who actually care about this crap won't be all that large. People leave gaming, switch preferred genres, die, etc. all the time, and are replaced by new players all the time. Half of ME2 players never played ME1, according to tracking data. An MENext which sells decently will have an even smaller proportion of trilogy fans in its player base.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
Apr 22, 2024 18:35:27 GMT
9,167
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,821
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2020 0:05:05 GMT
So... Leave the franchise on ice indifferently then? Maybe, but what I’m arguing is that whatever game BioWare makes isn’t going to survive due to how well it markets to old fans; it’ll only survive on it actually being a legitimately good game. Like, if they went back to the Milky Way, which people love to argue is the only way to save it, that won’t make a difference if the game turns out to be shit anyway. But then, that game also has the added burden of determining where to put all that baggage the old trilogy left behind. Yeah, pretty much. MEA2 without Ryder strikes me as the satisficing alternative, since it trips relatively fewer red lines thsn any other option. Realistic option, that is; with a fantasy budget we could make returning to the MW workable, but I have no patience for that thought exercise.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 0:09:13 GMT
Leaving it on ice indifferently seems like the most logical step. No matter which way you look at it, it's going to piss one group or the other. Glad I don't have to choose. I'm a bit less gloomy about it. By the time MENext actually ships, the percentage of the potential player base who actually care about this crap won't be all that large. People leave gaming, switch preferred genres, die, etc. all the time, and are replaced by new players all the time. Half of ME2 players never played ME1, according to tracking data. An MENext which sells decently will have an even smaller proportion of trilogy fans in its player base. I honestly don't really care about it all. Good chances are I'll not even buy any upcoming ME game.
|
|
inherit
7671
0
Apr 22, 2024 14:41:26 GMT
1,046
NotN7
1,080
Apr 15, 2017 17:34:16 GMT
April 2017
notn7
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by NotN7 on Jun 7, 2020 2:36:05 GMT
I'm a bit less gloomy about it. By the time MENext actually ships, the percentage of the potential player base who actually care about this crap won't be all that large. People leave gaming, switch preferred genres, die, etc. all the time, and are replaced by new players all the time. Half of ME2 players never played ME1, according to tracking data. An MENext which sells decently will have an even smaller proportion of trilogy fans in its player base. I honestly don't really care about it all. Good chances are I'll not even buy any upcoming ME game. And you keep posting?
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 2:44:29 GMT
I honestly don't really care about it all. Good chances are I'll not even buy any upcoming ME game. And you keep posting? And I should stop because you will it so?
|
|
inherit
The homeostatic problem-solving structure
8860
0
Apr 26, 2022 11:22:31 GMT
8,536
Unicephalon 40-D
An unknown possibly hostile flotilla detected at eight hundred astronomical units from the sun!
4,798
Jun 29, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
June 2017
legendcncd
Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
LegendCNCD / AsariLoverFI
|
Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 7, 2020 7:52:07 GMT
And I should stop because you will it so? No it just makes you look like you have an agenda still etc. go ahead though...
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 8:06:18 GMT
And I should stop because you will it so? No it just makes you look like you have an agenda still etc. go ahead though... What "agenda" would that be?
|
|
inherit
The homeostatic problem-solving structure
8860
0
Apr 26, 2022 11:22:31 GMT
8,536
Unicephalon 40-D
An unknown possibly hostile flotilla detected at eight hundred astronomical units from the sun!
4,798
Jun 29, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
June 2017
legendcncd
Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
LegendCNCD / AsariLoverFI
|
Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 7, 2020 8:16:42 GMT
No it just makes you look like you have an agenda still etc. go ahead though... What "agenda" would that be? I dunno, you tell us. I dont mind your posts, they're just noise in signal though.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 8:25:03 GMT
What "agenda" would that be? I dunno, you tell us. I dont mind your posts, they're just noise in signal though. Funny, because nearly all of yours and the others are the to me as well, just white noise. But to answer your question, I'm indifferent to if I should buy any upcoming ME game or not, were as you'd say or cry out "hater" because I would not go out and blindly spend my cash on something I'd come to dislike and had wasted my money on. Just because it has the Mass Effect title on.
|
|
inherit
975
0
Apr 13, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
1,677
cloud9
3,871
Aug 14, 2016 11:41:22 GMT
August 2016
cloud9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2
sicklyhour015
|
Post by cloud9 on Jun 7, 2020 9:18:10 GMT
I dunno, you tell us. I dont mind your posts, they're just noise in signal though. Funny, because nearly all of yours and the others are the to me as well, just white noise. But to answer your question, I'm indifferent to if I should buy any upcoming ME game or not, were as you'd say or cry out "hater" because I would not go out and blindly spend my cash on something I'd come to dislike and had wasted my money on. Just because it has the Mass Effect title on. That's BioWare Defense Force for ya.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 9:35:09 GMT
Funny, because nearly all of yours and the others are the to me as well, just white noise. But to answer your question, I'm indifferent to if I should buy any upcoming ME game or not, were as you'd say or cry out "hater" because I would not go out and blindly spend my cash on something I'd come to dislike and had wasted my money on. Just because it has the Mass Effect title on. That's BioWare Defense Force for ya. More or less yeah. At this point, their rambling is just eyerolling. I don't even pay attention to them anymore.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
Apr 22, 2024 18:35:27 GMT
9,167
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,821
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2020 9:57:59 GMT
I'm a bit less gloomy about it. By the time MENext actually ships, the percentage of the potential player base who actually care about this crap won't be all that large. People leave gaming, switch preferred genres, die, etc. all the time, and are replaced by new players all the time. Half of ME2 players never played ME1, according to tracking data. An MENext which sells decently will have an even smaller proportion of trilogy fans in its player base. I honestly don't really care about it all. Good chances are I'll not even buy any upcoming ME game. I presume this depends on what's actually in the game. Isn't it a little early to make predictions? Hell, I wouldn't bet money that the thing will even ever exist.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 10:01:16 GMT
I honestly don't really care about it all. Good chances are I'll not even buy any upcoming ME game. I presume this depends on what's actually in the game. Isn't it a little early to make predictions? Hell, I wouldn't bet money that the thing will even ever exist. I'm going by Bio's track record so far (from ME3 to Anthem), so far it doesn't look good. But as you pointed out, time will tell.
|
|
inherit
The homeostatic problem-solving structure
8860
0
Apr 26, 2022 11:22:31 GMT
8,536
Unicephalon 40-D
An unknown possibly hostile flotilla detected at eight hundred astronomical units from the sun!
4,798
Jun 29, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
June 2017
legendcncd
Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
LegendCNCD / AsariLoverFI
|
Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 7, 2020 11:07:46 GMT
I dunno, you tell us. I dont mind your posts, they're just noise in signal though. Funny, because nearly all of yours and the others are the to me as well, just white noise. But to answer your question, I'm indifferent to if I should buy any upcoming ME game or not, were as you'd say or cry out "hater" because I would not go out and blindly spend my cash on something I'd come to dislike and had wasted my money on. Just because it has the Mass Effect title on. uhh.. that went sideways then but ok, thats a good info, thanks. I didnt imply anything like that though either.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 7, 2020 12:01:30 GMT
I could argue that trying to address the ending would just be reopening that can of clusterfuck and it would just make matters worse. I'd argue the franchise is already dead. You can't get worse. More dead than dead is just dead, as well. I think the only way to trigger a reaction, at this point, is to anger the beehive. You can create some buzz behind Shepard returning, you can get some traction. Nobody's going to think twice about Ryder and Andromeda. Even in the off chance, at this point, that the game is actually good, people won't buy on release, they'll wait till the game is down to $20 on the bargain bin.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 7, 2020 12:03:51 GMT
Funny, because nearly all of yours and the others are the to me as well, just white noise. But to answer your question, I'm indifferent to if I should buy any upcoming ME game or not, were as you'd say or cry out "hater" because I would not go out and blindly spend my cash on something I'd come to dislike and had wasted my money on. Just because it has the Mass Effect title on. uhh.. that went sideways then but ok, thats a good info, thanks. I didnt imply anything like that though either. That's what I have come to suspect when interacting with you lot (the ones named the "BioWare Defence Force" that is), from personal encounters to seeing posts from them. Make of that what you will. Also, maybe now the so called "BDF" will think before assuming anything, hmm?
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 7, 2020 13:25:59 GMT
I could argue that trying to address the ending would just be reopening that can of clusterfuck and it would just make matters worse. I'd argue the franchise is already dead. You can't get worse. More dead than dead is just dead, as well. I think the only way to trigger a reaction, at this point, is to anger the beehive. You can create some buzz behind Shepard returning, you can get some traction. Nobody's going to think twice about Ryder and Andromeda. Even in the off chance, at this point, that the game is actually good, people won't buy on release, they'll wait till the game is down to $20 on the bargain bin. Like I said, this is only about the short term effect. Creating “buzz” is great, but doesn’t mean anything for the long-term. Only the quality of the game will keep it going in the end. However, a hypothetical Shepard game comes with special caveats, because this buzz they’d want to generate applies to fans of the series that already dealt with some seemingly irreversible story decisions. So, what would be the consequences of nullifying these story decisions? Would it be better? Would the potential damage it creates for those older fans be worse than an alternative follow-up? I suppose it’s anyone’s guess, but it seems to me that this direction has a few more complications attached to it that just can’t be overlooked. If the answer then is simply “Well it’s just totally dead and can’t get worse”, then I don’t see what’s left to talk about. Our creative well has run dry, and since we can’t think of a solution, I guess nobody can. If this is a case of which path offers the least resistance, I don’t think it’s as clear cut as some might think.
|
|