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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 18, 2020 6:24:57 GMT
Sorry if this was already asked but what are the chanses BW are doing this remaster so they can lay some solid ground for the next ME? I mean if they alter the end in some way? Zero Percent chance. Even if this remaster happens, which itself is highly unlikely, no narrative or gameplay elements would likely be changed. It would be, at best, a minor graphical upgrade that makes it available for this gen of hardware, namely PS4
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 18, 2020 15:34:27 GMT
Zero Percent chance. Even if this remaster happens, which itself is highly unlikely, no narrative or gameplay elements would likely be changed. It would be, at best, a minor graphical upgrade that makes it available for this gen of hardware, namely PS4 At the ass end of the PS4's lifetime, with cloud based backward compatibility looming, it's looking highly unlikely.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 18, 2020 17:27:35 GMT
Zero Percent chance. Even if this remaster happens, which itself is highly unlikely, no narrative or gameplay elements would likely be changed. It would be, at best, a minor graphical upgrade that makes it available for this gen of hardware, namely PS4 At the ass end of the PS4's lifetime, with cloud based backward compatibility looming, it's looking highly unlikely. I don’t suppose that would make much of a difference if the PS5 can run it anyway. As for the patent, that may not be a thing that develops into an actual product for the end user well into the service life of the new console, maybe even beyond that.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 21, 2020 22:54:22 GMT
We can speculate. But we can also dismiss some speculation. I think we are on the right forum. See, the problem I spy here is that if no choice can get you locked out of content, then what point is there to choice in the first place? Not being able to see certain content goes hand in hand with consequence - and without consequence, you don't really have choice. Of course, the Bio devs believe this to be false. I'm sure you've seen their posts on the topic. They consider having the state of the game world be different to be good enough, even if the gameplay experience doesn't change much . This has always been the case. In KotOR, making an LS or DS choice on a planet changes things on that planet, but since by that point you've exhausted all the content for that planet there isn't much gameplay consequence, and nothing changes on the other planets either.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 21, 2020 23:20:00 GMT
See, the problem I spy here is that if no choice can get you locked out of content, then what point is there to choice in the first place? Not being able to see certain content goes hand in hand with consequence - and without consequence, you don't really have choice. Of course, the Bio devs believe this to be false. I'm sure you've seen their posts on the topic. They consider having the state of the game world be different to be good enough, even if the gameplay experience doesn't change much . This has always been the case. In KotOR, making an LS or DS choice on a planet changes things on that planet, but since by that point you've exhausted all the content for that planet there isn't much gameplay consequence, and nothing changes on the other planets either. Well, if you're going to name your franchise "Mass Effect" because your choices are going to have "a massive effect" to the story and world, I don't rightly expect to have a "superficial effect". That's not the name of the franchise.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 22, 2020 7:45:37 GMT
But...that’s not what “Mass Effect” means within the context of the universe.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2020 14:46:16 GMT
But...that’s not what “Mass Effect” means within the context of the universe Bioware named the franchise such, because the choices you made are supposed to have a massive effect across the trilogy. As it turns out, you make 1 choice that burns the franchise forever. As for the "Mass Effect" tech itself, that's going to be a problem for the franchise going forward. Mass Effect tech is a thing, because the Reapers set the tech to be so. Our entire tech is based on the Reapers and either post ME3 ending Milky Way or in Andromeda, we are not shoehorned down a Mass Effect evolutionary path. Which creates a problem that, sooner or later, Mass Effect tech will become irrelevant. Maybe not in 10 years after the events of the latest title, but give it fifty, a hundred, two hundred. Eventually the tech will advance, it always does and the races will outgrow it or compensate for it, through other means. So the scope of how long Mass Effect remains relevant to the setting, for either argument, is going to be very limited.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 22, 2020 16:05:14 GMT
Bioware named the franchise such, because the choices you made are supposed to have a massive effect across the trilogy. As it turns out, you make 1 choice that burns the franchise forever. "Mass Effect" pertains solely to the technology, not the effect of making decisions, unless the actual creators of the franchise explicitly noted the intent of the title to have such a double meaning.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2020 16:05:39 GMT
"Mass Effect" pertains solely to the technology, not the effect of making decisions, unless the actual creators of the franchise explicitly noted the intent of the title to have such a double meaning. Yes. Yes, they did.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 22, 2020 16:08:25 GMT
"Mass Effect" pertains solely to the technology, not the effect of making decisions, unless the actual creators of the franchise explicitly noted the intent of the title to have such a double meaning. Yes. Yes, they did. Where have they said this? Not to say that this is a lie, but I'd need to see it for myself before I buy it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2020 16:23:44 GMT
Where have they said this? Not to say that this is a lie, but I'd need to see it for myself before I buy it. The original title of the game, the one Bioware used to refer to it during development, was SFX, standing for Science Fiction X. They grew so attached to that title that they didn't even want to change it, so, eventually, they came up with the ME title, because of the tech and because our choices would have a mass effect in the franchise. I think it mentioned in that demo they showed of in 2006? It wasn't in an interview later, was it? Reddit has the quote and the story. I don't remember where. There's also 2 tweets by Casey that supposedly have more info on it, that I can't see, because twitter is locked out for me, at work. Maybe it's there? I remember it. I've talked to other users here, in this forum, about it, the previous time I argued the significance of Mass Effect tech in the setting and how jumping too far into the future basically kills its relevance.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 22, 2020 23:55:26 GMT
But our choices do have an effect. Don't be stupid about this. Entire species live and die at Shepard's whim
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 23, 2020 1:11:02 GMT
But our choices do have an effect. Don't be stupid about this. Entire species live and die at Shepard's whim One species can die because of Shepard. One. And you have to do it twice because Bioware thinks Return of the King is the best place for new players to start playing.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 23, 2020 10:58:57 GMT
But our choices do have an effect. Don't be stupid about this. Entire species live and die at Shepard's whim One species can die because of Shepard. One. And you have to do it twice because Bioware thinks Return of the King is the best place for new players to start playing. No, it’s really every species that can die off in the trilogy. From a narrative perspective, we can make excuses for the character simply being one person, or that some species technically get themselves killed, but these are all the direct result of player choices, thus Shepard’s.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 23, 2020 12:27:39 GMT
But our choices do have an effect. Don't be stupid about this. Entire species live and die at Shepard's whim The Geth and the Quarians? Or are we going to take the "Refuse" ending into account?
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Post by themikefest on Jul 23, 2020 12:30:39 GMT
No, it’s really every species that can die off in the trilogy. You mean if the reapers succeed, right? In an ME3 default playthrough, the player has no choice. It's one or the other, at least in the case of the geth and quarians.
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Post by Serza on Jul 23, 2020 13:12:21 GMT
But our choices do have an effect. Don't be stupid about this. Entire species live and die at Shepard's whim The Geth and the Quarians? Or are we going to take the "Refuse" ending into account?
Refuse is refuse.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 23, 2020 14:06:26 GMT
It's also not in the base game. So I think it's kind of irrelevant, because unless there was a huge outcry about it, it wasn't even in the plan of ever being made.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 23, 2020 14:40:56 GMT
No, it’s really every species that can die off in the trilogy. You mean if the reapers succeed, right? In an ME3 default playthrough, the player has no choice. It's one or the other, at least in the case of the geth and quarians. No, obviously that’s not what I mean. Shepard’s own actions (or inaction) has direct consequences. The default ME3 argument is basically a cop-out. We know what a full trilogy run entails and what the player is able to do, and we know full well what dictates the setups of the choices across the trilogy in the actual canon. That a default ME3 has the ability to ignore these things doesn’t matter, even with empty market speak/excuses like the “best place to start”. If the rachni queen in ME3 is the clone, we are fully aware that the clone is the result of Shepard killing the original, whether the game wants to acknowledge this decision or not.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 23, 2020 15:04:03 GMT
No, obviously that’s not what I mean. Then what do you mean? Because all species are not decided by Shepard. If you're talking about refuse, then say so. You may know what a full trilogy run entails. That doesn't mean a new player would.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 23, 2020 18:13:04 GMT
No, obviously that’s not what I mean. Then what do you mean? Because all species are not decided by Shepard. If you're talking about refuse, then say so. You may know what a full trilogy run entails. That doesn't mean a new player would. Yes, all species are actually decided by Shepard, due in part to refuse counting as being encompassed by Shepard’s choices, but prior to the ending (and prior to Refuse becoming an option) any race that can be doomed to extinction prior to the final decision is directly because of Shepard. A new player’s knowledge, or lack thereof, of what happens in the trilogy doesn’t change whether or not those actions can happen.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 23, 2020 18:38:14 GMT
Yes, all species are actually decided by Shepard, due in part to refuse counting as being encompassed by Shepard’s choices, but prior to the ending (and prior to Refuse becoming an option) any race that can be doomed to extinction prior to the final decision is directly because of Shepard. Explain how the asari species could be doomed by Shepard prior to the final decision? I never said those actions never happened. A new player would not know about those actions when playing ME3 without playing the previous games.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 23, 2020 18:47:33 GMT
Yes, all species are actually decided by Shepard, due in part to refuse counting as being encompassed by Shepard’s choices, but prior to the ending (and prior to Refuse becoming an option) any race that can be doomed to extinction prior to the final decision is directly because of Shepard. Explain how the asari species could be doomed by Shepard prior to the final decision? I never said those actions never happened. A new player would not know about those actions when playing ME3 without playing the previous games. “Due in part to refuse” is your answer. But I added to that saying that before the final decision, any species that can go extinct is directly because of Shepard. I didn’t say that the asari could go extinct prior to the final decision, but rather that Refuse added them and every other spacefaring species to the pool once refuse was added. Before that, each major arc potentially ends with a species being doomed or wiped out immediately. In the end, refuse itself doesn’t very much make a difference, because it all comes down to making a decision, not something set on rails. Sure, and I said that what a new player knows or doesn’t know doesn’t matter. Any gaps in context is a weakness of the trilogy’s whole story being stuck in a paywall of buying the previous games (though that interactive comic thing might make a difference), but it doesn’t change the facts of the trilogy.
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Post by natetrace on Jul 23, 2020 19:28:53 GMT
I feel like we need an Urdnot Bakara quote here. Modified, anyway. You can let old wounds fester, as nerds have always done...
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Post by Dazzle on Jul 23, 2020 20:39:31 GMT
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