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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jan 12, 2021 1:38:23 GMT
I saw the trailer, and I tried to resist the urge to speculate. Then I watched Jenifer Hale's cast get together. Then I noticed the podcasts. I failed to cease my speculation. picture snip I'll give it to you Once you did decide to speculate, you went all in. It wasn't so much a decision as a progression of thought. What if.. then.. what if.. then.. what if... then.. what if.. But all in it certainly was!
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Post by traks on Jan 12, 2021 13:44:23 GMT
I basically expect Shepard to be a historical figure, meaning not every decision your or my Shepard made will be important for the next game. So I prepare to play my character in a 'what if the Reaper war had the following consequences on the galaxy'-world state.
I also don't expect species that were involved in the biggest questions to play a major role as a whole. Squadmates of every species are on the table though.
The new challenge won't have anything to do with Reapers, but at least the shadow broker is back as a link to these challenging days over 600 years ago.
The threat might come out of Andromeda, depending on how much BioWare wants to bring both galaxies together.
That's all I have so far.
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Post by jrpN7 on Jan 14, 2021 18:54:15 GMT
The threat might come out of Andromeda, depending on how much BioWare wants to bring both galaxies together. That's all I have so far. Which is unfortunate because all I can think of for emerging threats to the MW from Andromeda are the kett and the scourge. Both lackluster imo. Kett aren't too interesting and don't stand a chance against a united MW front with Reaper tech, and the scourge is just some unfortunate phenomenon you can't really interact with. It's like fighting cancer or radiation.
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Post by traks on Jan 14, 2021 22:00:25 GMT
The threat might come out of Andromeda, depending on how much BioWare wants to bring both galaxies together. That's all I have so far. Which is unfortunate because all I can think of for emerging threats to the MW from Andromeda are the kett and the scourge. Both lackluster imo. Kett aren't too interesting and don't stand a chance against a united MW front with Reaper tech, and the scourge is just some unfortunate phenomenon you can't really interact with. It's like fighting cancer or radiation. The threat would likely be the one, that the Kett prepare for through exalting Andromeda - which is still a mystery - not the Kett themselves, if I should guess. Doesn't really matter, but that's an easy and believable way to connect both galaxies. Also a good reason for the Milky Way to face another big threat after the Reapers are taken care of. The council for once being right, that we shouldn't poke too far into the unknown, because you'll never know what dangers you'll "invite" to your home. But as I wrote: this will only happen, if BioWare wants to connect both galaxies, which we don't really know yet. Wouldn't be the worst thought from BioWare though, that if the MW galaxy faces another threat on the Reaper level, that it has to come out of another galaxy.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 15, 2021 2:51:38 GMT
Which is unfortunate because all I can think of for emerging threats to the MW from Andromeda are the kett and the scourge. Both lackluster imo. Kett aren't too interesting and don't stand a chance against a united MW front with Reaper tech, and the scourge is just some unfortunate phenomenon you can't really interact with. It's like fighting cancer or radiation. The threat would likely be the one, that the Kett prepare for through exalting Andromeda - which is still a mystery - not the Kett themselves, if I should guess. Doesn't really matter, but that's an easy and believable way to connect both galaxies. Also a good reason for the Milky Way to face another big threat after the Reapers are taken care of. The council for once being right, that we shouldn't poke too far into the unknown, because you'll never know what dangers you'll "invite" to your home. But as I wrote: this will only happen, if BioWare wants to connect both galaxies, which we don't really know yet. Wouldn't be the worst thought from BioWare though, that if the MW galaxy faces another threat on the Reaper level, that it has to come out of another galaxy. Wait the Kett are exalting people to prepare for a threat, I must have missed that. I just thought it was some empire/cultural thing. So right off of me3s we harvest due to the threat of AI they roll into we exalt you for some unknown threat. Lol, that would make the Kettt even worse of a story point.
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Post by traks on Jan 15, 2021 8:21:12 GMT
The threat would likely be the one, that the Kett prepare for through exalting Andromeda - which is still a mystery - not the Kett themselves, if I should guess. Doesn't really matter, but that's an easy and believable way to connect both galaxies. Also a good reason for the Milky Way to face another big threat after the Reapers are taken care of. The council for once being right, that we shouldn't poke too far into the unknown, because you'll never know what dangers you'll "invite" to your home. But as I wrote: this will only happen, if BioWare wants to connect both galaxies, which we don't really know yet. Wouldn't be the worst thought from BioWare though, that if the MW galaxy faces another threat on the Reaper level, that it has to come out of another galaxy. Wait the Kett are exalting people to prepare for a threat, I must have missed that. I just thought it was some empire/cultural thing. So right off of me3s we harvest due to the threat of AI they roll into we exalt you for some unknown threat. Lol, that would make the Kettt even worse of a story point. You didn't miss anything, we don't know what the Kett's real goal is. But, I would say a reason why they exalt every species other than "because we can and are evil" would in fact be a much better story. I wouldn't be opposed to fight the Kett empire though, but I doubt, that the empire would be a galaxy wide threat to the Milky Way in Liara's timeline, although of course they might fit the Collector role. I know, that some want smaller stories, but my gut feeling says that BioWare introduces a bigger threat in the next game. Now what could be worse than a species exalting Andromeda? Probably the Jaardan or their enemy.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 15, 2021 9:59:09 GMT
From what i remember the kett can't reproduce so they exalt species. They have exalted thousands before the angara.
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Post by traks on Jan 15, 2021 12:47:24 GMT
From what i remember the kett can't reproduce so they exalt species. They have exalted thousands before the angara. They have. But that doesn't mean that their reason for growing numbers isn't the fear of another enemy.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jan 15, 2021 22:08:57 GMT
I liked the idea of the Kett but their execution was lacking. They looked too much like the collectors, and the whole exaltation thing invited Lazy comparisons.
I'm all for some big corny space imperialists to be the antagonist of the next game - just probably not the Kett.
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Post by Zemgus on Jan 15, 2021 22:22:23 GMT
I liked the idea of the Kett but their execution was lacking. They looked too much like the collectors, and the whole exaltation thing invited Lazy comparisons. I'm all for some big corny space imperialists to be the antagonist of the next game - just probably not the Kett. They were not particularly interesting and we have indeed already done the fighting against evil aliens thing in MET. Fighting against different factions of humans / friendly aliens might be an interesting theme. Especially if you could decide which side you want to support.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jan 15, 2021 22:31:54 GMT
I liked the idea of the Kett but their execution was lacking. They looked too much like the collectors, and the whole exaltation thing invited Lazy comparisons. I'm all for some big corny space imperialists to be the antagonist of the next game - just probably not the Kett. They were not particularly interesting and we have indeed already done the fighting against evil aliens thing in MET. Fighting against different factions of humans / friendly aliens might be an interesting theme. Especially if you could decide which side you want to support. Agreed. I would say that the Reapers and Kett are different brands of evil alien though. The reapers are space Cthullu that want to destroy everything for the lols. The Kett are space Nazis/imperialists. I wouldn't be against the idea of space imperialists making a return - just not in the form of the Kett.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2021 4:24:09 GMT
Wait the Kett are exalting people to prepare for a threat, I must have missed that. I just thought it was some empire/cultural thing. So right off of me3s we harvest due to the threat of AI they roll into we exalt you for some unknown threat. Lol, that would make the Kettt even worse of a story point. You didn't miss anything, we don't know what the Kett's real goal is. But, I would say a reason why they exalt every species other than "because we can and are evil" would in fact be a much better story. I wouldn't be opposed to fight the Kett empire though, but I doubt, that the empire would be a galaxy wide threat to the Milky Way in Liara's timeline, although of course they might fit the Collector role. I know, that some want smaller stories, but my gut feeling says that BioWare introduces a bigger threat in the next game. Now what could be worse than a species exalting Andromeda? Probably the Jaardan or their enemy. A goal behind it would be interesting if it wasn't overplayed by everyone and especially bioware. But I don't think it has to be because they are evil.(well we might perceive them as evil) Its a different cultural decision, they think it is a blessing they are bestowing on people even if it is against there will. While that story can be flubbed it offers more depth IMO than the overplayed no we aren't doing bad, here are the real bad guys and we needed to do this to beat them. Which maybe if the plot of me3 didn't end up being exactly that might work.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 16, 2021 18:29:26 GMT
I wouldn't call the kett space Nazis exactly. They're more like the Borg minus being a collective. Their goal is to turn all not-Them into Them, rather than extermination or enslavement of the not-Them.
Evil? They think being kett is better than not being kett. So turning someone into a kett isn't bad for him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2021 8:20:56 GMT
I wouldn't call the kett space Nazis exactly. They're more like the Borg minus being a collective. Their goal is to turn all not-Them into Them, rather than extermination or enslavement of the not-Them. Evil? They think being kett is better than not being kett. So turning someone into a kett isn't bad for him. Yeah, it fits the colonization themes since they are conquerors who see themselves as liberators enlightening the more ‘primitive’ natives.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jan 19, 2021 3:19:38 GMT
"Hello, we're the Kett. Have you heard about our goal and aim of non-consensual genetic assimilation? Are you interested? No? Too bad." *prepares injections* The Kett viewed exaltation with religious reverence, as if it was inherently good or virtuous to be exalted. Although the Kett did a fair bit of slaving and killing as well. They had no pretenses about the fact that they were there to secure genetic material, and did not care if they killed a lot of whatever to do it. So I am uncertain as to whether or not exaltation was to secure manpower, secure genetic material, or complete some sort of quasi-moralistic objective to uplift who were "beneath" them. Maybe a bit of all three. But this was never explored in any detail in ME:A. So some of you are thinking if ME:A gets linked up, the Kett will come through as well? Interesting. ME:A didn't really make any mention of any sort of Kett super-FTL (i.e. Mass Relays). Would they even know how to use a Mass Relay? But I do think they were a bit underwhelming as villains overall. Reaper forces and collectors were A.) Terrifying and B.) Dangerous. If a bit hard on the eardrums. Geth are very stormtrooper-y, but compensated by having a variety of abilities and weapons. Cerberus had even more variety than Geth. Meanwhile, Kett had that annoying flying dart board. (The Ascendant) Kinda lousy enemy design imo. But ME:3 just had better enemies than ME:A overall. I think the next ME needs better enemies then Kett. Or give the Kett an upgrade.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 24, 2021 23:01:40 GMT
Yep. And with the Citadel over Earth, humanity will take over the galaxy, and then the universe. That thing has been broken down and sold worse than the Berlin Wall by now ... Beautiful just beautiful
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 24, 2021 23:03:33 GMT
"Hello, we're the Kett. Have you heard about our goal and aim of non-consensual genetic assimilation? Are you interested? No? Too bad." *prepares injections* The Kett viewed exaltation with religious reverence, as if it was inherently good or virtuous to be exalted. Although the Kett did a fair bit of slaving and killing as well. They had no pretenses about the fact that they were there to secure genetic material, and did not care if they killed a lot of whatever to do it. So I am uncertain as to whether or not exaltation was to secure manpower, secure genetic material, or complete some sort of quasi-moralistic objective to uplift who were "beneath" them. Maybe a bit of all three. But this was never explored in any detail in ME:A. So some of you are thinking if ME:A gets linked up, the Kett will come through as well? Interesting. ME:A didn't really make any mention of any sort of Kett super-FTL (i.e. Mass Relays). Would they even know how to use a Mass Relay? But I do think they were a bit underwhelming as villains overall. Reaper forces and collectors were A.) Terrifying and B.) Dangerous. If a bit hard on the eardrums. Geth are very stormtrooper-y, but compensated by having a variety of abilities and weapons. Cerberus had even more variety than Geth. Meanwhile, Kett had that annoying flying dart board. (The Ascendant) Kinda lousy enemy design imo. But ME:3 just had better enemies than ME:A overall. I think the next ME needs better enemies then Kett. Or give the Kett an upgrade. I agree although I did not mis that annoying banshee scream from ME3. I think the Kett could have been much better.
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Post by hulluliini on Jan 25, 2021 7:12:41 GMT
If the Andromeda galaxy is involved, I hope they discuss colonialist themes in more depth.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2021 9:59:12 GMT
I agree although I did not mis that annoying banshee scream from ME3. Ah, man I loved that sound...immediately put the hackles up...quickly panning around to track the b*tches progress.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2021 10:12:15 GMT
From what I gathered - with no guarantee of completeness: - Liara may be old - or may be not
- The Geth might be back with a Superstructure - or not
- Stuff might mean something, or probably not
Oh, and about two pages or so of 'Shepard is back' - 'No' - 'Absolutely not' I think Liara is older but it doesn't necessarily mean anything in regard to timeline. That could be a prologue of sorts in which she's out on one of her digs, finds the piece of N7 helmet which triggers a flashback and start to new game. I don't think the Alderson disk has anything to do with the Geth...simply because of the order in which it appears in the montage and the fact that the Geth haven't been around long enough to build something on that scale. Stuff certainly means something...but it's all guesswork at this point. Oh, and Shepard most certainly could be back. Yes, definitely yes.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 1, 2021 17:30:40 GMT
I think Liara is older but it doesn't necessarily mean anything in regard to timeline. That could be a prologue of sorts in which she's out on one of her digs, finds the piece of N7 helmet which triggers a flashback and start to new game. I'm going to pretend this is what's going to happen until BW eventually dashes my dreams.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 1, 2021 17:42:17 GMT
From what I gathered - with no guarantee of completeness: - Liara may be old - or may be not
- The Geth might be back with a Superstructure - or not
- Stuff might mean something, or probably not
Oh, and about two pages or so of 'Shepard is back' - 'No' - 'Absolutely not' I think Liara is older but it doesn't necessarily mean anything in regard to timeline. That could be a prologue of sorts in which she's out on one of her digs, finds the piece of N7 helmet which triggers a flashback and start to new game. I don't think the Alderson disk has anything to do with the Geth...simply because of the order in which it appears in the montage and the fact that the Geth haven't been around long enough to build something on that scale. Stuff certainly means something...but it's all guesswork at this point. Oh, and Shepard most certainly could be back. Yes, definitely yes.
My eyes suck, as the Alderson disk people keep talking about just looks like generic asteroid field planetary rings imagery to me. Like I did not see a structure, its just grey with lines. Is their some super 4k blown up image of it that shows more.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Feb 1, 2021 19:59:14 GMT
I think Liara is older but it doesn't necessarily mean anything in regard to timeline. That could be a prologue of sorts in which she's out on one of her digs, finds the piece of N7 helmet which triggers a flashback and start to new game. I don't think the Alderson disk has anything to do with the Geth...simply because of the order in which it appears in the montage and the fact that the Geth haven't been around long enough to build something on that scale. Stuff certainly means something...but it's all guesswork at this point. Oh, and Shepard most certainly could be back. Yes, definitely yes.
My eyes suck, as the Alderson disk people keep talking about just looks like generic asteroid field planetary rings imagery to me. Like I did not see a structure, its just grey with lines. Is their some super 4k blown up image of it that shows more.
Yeah I missed it too. To be honest I think people are reading WAY too much into a vague trailer.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Feb 1, 2021 20:01:00 GMT
If the Andromeda galaxy is involved, I hope they discuss colonialist themes in more depth. Only if we can become like king leopold. A man too brutal even during colonial times. Just kidding about that but if you mean the exploration and such of new planets then sure.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2021 20:14:43 GMT
I think Liara is older but it doesn't necessarily mean anything in regard to timeline. That could be a prologue of sorts in which she's out on one of her digs, finds the piece of N7 helmet which triggers a flashback and start to new game. I don't think the Alderson disk has anything to do with the Geth...simply because of the order in which it appears in the montage and the fact that the Geth haven't been around long enough to build something on that scale. Stuff certainly means something...but it's all guesswork at this point. Oh, and Shepard most certainly could be back. Yes, definitely yes.
My eyes suck, as the Alderson disk people keep talking about just looks like generic asteroid field planetary rings imagery to me. Like I did not see a structure, its just grey with lines. Is their some super 4k blown up image of it that shows more.
Upon further review you could be correct...close inspection of the highest res I could find does not reveal anything especially artificial in the ring. However looking at it from afar and the way the ring is distributed in orbit around the sun looks unnatural in and of itself. If the artist was attempting to represent a newly forming star system they're mistaken in its portrayal...so this could be why it's being interpreted as an Alderson disk. Besides it's more fun to speculate that some ancient race was able to create such a marvel.
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