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Post by Croatsky on Feb 28, 2021 11:27:46 GMT
Maybe they will learn after all... There is a sliver of hope that BioWare can find itself back. All they have to do now is leave the 'woke' nonsense behind. Sorry for being bothered that BioWare acknowledges PoC and LGBT people exist.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 28, 2021 11:35:57 GMT
This reminds me that they never canonized how long protheans live. Perhaps he is still alive. Maybe he even rules all the Primitives in the galaxy with an iron fist by this point, having eliminated all rivals via judicious application of airlock. I would buy that game. That's an interesting thought about Javik. They created the asari. It's not that far-fetched that they wouldn't create a race more powerful and longer-lived than themselves. They fully intended to return and reclaim the galaxy. It would be hard to do if a superior life form existed. Superior lifeform is a very subjective take anyway. Also on the topic of maximum age, here's a list of MET squadmates that could or could not be alive by the time of hypothetical NME being set at MEA timeline.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 28, 2021 11:54:35 GMT
Sorry for being bothered that BioWare acknowledges PoC and LGBT people exist. Woke seems to have a very different meaning, depending on who you talk to. For example, the Marvel and DC comics brand of "woke" that they've been pumping out over the past 5 years, has been exclusively racist and sexist.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2021 12:26:58 GMT
Sorry for being bothered that BioWare acknowledges PoC and LGBT people exist. Woke seems to have a very different meaning, depending on who you talk to. For example, the Marvel and DC comics brand of "woke" that they've been pumping out over the past 5 years, has been exclusively racist and sexist. In the case of BioWare games, however, there’s not a whole lot of things to choose from. The PoC matter doesn’t really seem to be much of a concern it looks like, so it’s really more on the sexual orientation and gender front, the latter of which only seemed to pop up for a single minor NPC in Andromeda whose name I forgot minutes after encountering them. When people say that BioWare should address something that’s “woke”, I feel like maybe it warrants some examples.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 28, 2021 12:48:13 GMT
Woke seems to have a very different meaning, depending on who you talk to. For example, the Marvel and DC comics brand of "woke" that they've been pumping out over the past 5 years, has been exclusively racist and sexist. In the case of BioWare games, however, there’s not a whole lot of things to choose from. The PoC matter doesn’t really seem to be much of a concern it looks like, so it’s really more on the sexual orientation and gender front, the latter of which only seemed to pop up for a single minor NPC in Andromeda whose name I forgot minutes after encountering them. When people say that BioWare should address something that’s “woke”, I feel like maybe it warrants some examples. It's not the case today, but BioWare like many other gaming studios had lack of character customization options for non-whites, mainly black people.
They addressed that with MEA and now they will do the same in MELE with updated CC system. It's really these small things that when changed make a big difference. And it's also a sort of "woke" thing many gamers get upset about.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 28, 2021 14:13:11 GMT
In the case of BioWare games, however, there’s not a whole lot of things to choose from. The PoC matter doesn’t really seem to be much of a concern it looks like, so it’s really more on the sexual orientation and gender front, the latter of which only seemed to pop up for a single minor NPC in Andromeda whose name I forgot minutes after encountering them. When people say that BioWare should address something that’s “woke”, I feel like maybe it warrants some examples. It's a lot of things, really. Like, the lack of men in positions of authority in DA:I or the ineffectual and emasculated men in ME:A or the unrealistic proportion of LGBTQ people you meet in game, as opposed to IRL, which isn't bad, but it is disconnecting. And it doesn't have to be a 1:1 representation of IRL, but it does raise the question of how a majorly LGBTQ population, in a medieval setting most importantly, reproduces to maintain those numbers. Or perhaps all the straight people don't go adventuring. Which isn't an impossibility, but what are the odds? From a point on, it just feels like ticking boxes. And that's not a good way to build a character. And, to make it clear, none of these, by themsevles are necessarily a problem. But by combining them all together, it starts to create a disconnect. It becomes noticeable. And it's not that ... as I said earlier, it creates in-universe complications. As what's-his-face says, in Andromeda, at some point you need to start making babies. With a majoraly LGBTQ population, how are you going to do that? How many people where on the human ark? 50k? So let's say a good 60% of them are LGBTQ. That leaves 20k straight people to reproduce and sustain a livable population. And maybe, like with what's-his-face, maybe a woman will get him drunk, shag him and make a baby. That's rape. Maybe we'll grow vat babies, which sounds dystopian, or maybe we'll assign children to couples, from women that will be used as breeders, which is even worse. Furthermore, there is also the issue of how you're going to represent LGBTQ people. Because if your purpose is to "represent", instead of making a character that just happens to be LGBTQ, you can't make an LGBTQ character that is remotely controversial, because then you're going to have the LGBTQ community down your throat, for missrepresenting them. Like with the trans person in Andromeda. Also, LGBTQ people can't be evil, because that is a trope and it is negative to the LGBTQ community. You also can't kill a LGBTQ character, because " bury your gays" etc. etc. etc. So right off the bat, you're going to need to make compromises, just by choosing to "represent". Which is why the "straight white male" is the best template for anything. There is literally nothing you can't project on one. Killer, psycho, incel, spouse beater, child molester, alcoholic, drug addict, you name it. And the sweetest thing is nobody is going to make a fuss about it. Just, you know, no allegories. I don't need to be told that the Illusive Man is a stand-in for Trump and all Cerberus are Trump supporters. You know, the Alex Kurtzman Klingorc approach.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 28, 2021 15:31:06 GMT
Needing a high birth rate depends on your infant mortality rates. We don't have good data on those for Thedas. It's also not clear that failing to suppress the expression of homo- or-bisexuality actually reduces birth rates for a civilization which understands the mechanics of reproduction. It's a reasonable hypothesis, but I haven't seen anyone actually do the work.
I'm also not certain we should call the setting medieval. It seems to be a pastiche of various eras; some Orlesian architecture is outright baroque, and other aspects of the setting match the Renaissance better.
As for ineffectual or emasculated men, I don't see the correlation between gender and effectiveness you do. There's an awful lot of ineffectual leadership in Andromeda. OTOH, you'rwe more sensitive to this sort of thing than I am.
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Post by N7_Shadow_DK on Feb 28, 2021 17:14:37 GMT
...And, to make it clear, none of these, by themsevles are necessarily a problem. But by combining them all together, it starts to create a disconnect. It becomes noticeable. And it's not that ... as I said earlier, it creates in-universe complications. As what's-his-face says, in Andromeda, at some point you need to start making babies. With a majoraly LGBTQ population, how are you going to do that? How many people where on the human ark? 50k? So let's say a good 60% of them are LGBTQ. That leaves 20k straight people to reproduce and sustain a livable population. And maybe, like with what's-his-face, maybe a woman will get him drunk, shag him and make a baby. That's rape. Maybe we'll grow vat babies, which sounds dystopian, or maybe we'll assign children to couples, from women that will be used as breeders, which is even worse.
The ratio between female and male is discused in Dr. Strangelove:
Joke aside, it is good to see the game industry takes representation of color, sexual orientation serious.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 28, 2021 17:33:53 GMT
Needing a high birth rate depends on your infant mortality rates Absolutely. But there's a difference when 80% of your population is actively engaged in the action of reproduction, compared to 40%. Let's say you work in a factory. 20% of the staff is administrative and the other 80% is the manual labour staff. When that balance gets shifted to being 60% administrative to 40% manual labour staff, the productivity is obviously down. Of course, in a factory, that would mean automation has substituted much of the need of a manual labour workforce, but the 60% administrative staff is bloated and non viable for a company. It simply doesn't need that many people in administration. Similarly, in Thedas, there is no technological means, that we've so far seen or even mentioned, to subset the extremely high percentages of LGBTQ population we are seeing. And even so, some of them, the Bs I'd wager, would contribute to the birthrates. But only to an extent. I wouldn't expect there to be Bi-breeding farms. I would expect an equal number, roughly, settling with a partner of the opposite sex, as a same sex one. I'm also not certain we should call the setting medieval. It seems to be a pastiche of various eras; some Orlesian architecture is outright baroque, and other aspects of the setting match the Renaissance better. Yes, but we've not esstablished anything about the medicinal practices of the time, or the progress being made in that sector. For example, in the UK, infant mortality rate was in the 35% range in the 1700s and dropped to 15% in the 1800s. But population only blew up over the past 100 years, with tremendous leaps in medicine. It stands to reason that, considering it doesn't look like Thedas has any place looking like UK in the 1800s, that we've seen so far, Ferelden especially looks more like 1500-1600s, assuming the medical science of the 1700s, a family would need to carry 9 children, 6 of which would survive, on average, just to keep a stable world population, if there is a 60/40 split between LGBTQ and heterosexual communities. Considering, again the state of the medicinal science of the time, how many women would survive 9 childbirths? There's an awful lot of ineffectual leadership in Andromeda Not by women. And if it's a man, he's gay. Again, it's not a problem, but at some point, it strikes as odd. I'm not saying don't do it, but even it out a little, so people won't notice it.
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Post by Radec on Feb 28, 2021 17:59:53 GMT
I'm not usually one to defend Andromeda but the dumbest person in the andromeda galaxy award probably goes to the Ms. "My Face is tired" director dumbass
And that's saying a lot in a game that has Liam and Peepee in it.
The Outcast leader is also a dumb pointlessly brutal, thuggish moron who gets emotionally manipulated and outmaneuvered by a much more intelligent and shrewd male rival (Reyes) unless you step in to save her dumb ass.
So if they were going for feminist empowerment they kind of failed IMO (though with Bio that could be due to bad writing rather than intent).
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 28, 2021 18:17:41 GMT
Woke seems to have a very different meaning, depending on who you talk to. For example, the Marvel and DC comics brand of "woke" that they've been pumping out over the past 5 years, has been exclusively racist and sexist. In the case of BioWare games, however, there’s not a whole lot of things to choose from. The PoC matter doesn’t really seem to be much of a concern it looks like, so it’s really more on the sexual orientation and gender front, the latter of which only seemed to pop up for a single minor NPC in Andromeda whose name I forgot minutes after encountering them. When people say that BioWare should address something that’s “woke”, I feel like maybe it warrants some examples. Woke seems a catchall word for a cultural bun fight. For me i was bugged by some of the reinterpretation in Andromeda rather than here's a character of this orientation. i'm expecting to be at least slightly bugged by ME5. As long as the story is good though slightly bugged is workable.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 28, 2021 19:03:38 GMT
The Outcast leader is also a dumb pointlessly brutal, thuggish moron who gets emotionally manipulated and outmaneuvered by a much more intelligent and shrewd male rival (Reyes) unless you step in to save her dumb ass. I'm not usually one to defend Andromeda but the dumbest person in the andromeda galaxy award probably goes to the Ms. "My Face is tired" director dumbass Maybe. I think she was just poorly written.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Feb 28, 2021 21:00:23 GMT
The Outcast leader is also a dumb pointlessly brutal, thuggish moron who gets emotionally manipulated and outmaneuvered by a much more intelligent and shrewd male rival (Reyes) unless you step in to save her dumb ass. I'm not usually one to defend Andromeda but the dumbest person in the andromeda galaxy award probably goes to the Ms. "My Face is tired" director dumbass Maybe. I think she was just poorly written. To be fair, Reyes is bisexual.. and the one previous liaison of his that's plot important is with an ex-girlfriend. Tann is actually not terrible (except for the krogan thing), he's just uncharismatic. Alec Ryder is important and good at his job. The more you learn about Addison, the less effective she is. Iunno, dude.
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Post by jrpN7 on Mar 1, 2021 1:27:36 GMT
It's a lot of things, really. Like, the lack of men in positions of authority in DA:I or the ineffectual and emasculated men in ME:A or the unrealistic proportion of LGBTQ people you meet in game, as opposed to IRL, which isn't bad, but it is disconnecting. From a point on, it just feels like ticking boxes. And that's not a good way to build a character. With a majoraly LGBTQ population, how are you going to do that? How many people where on the human ark? 50k? So let's say a good 60% of them are LGBTQ. That leaves 20k straight people to reproduce and sustain a livable population. Furthermore, there is also the issue of how you're going to represent LGBTQ people. Because if your purpose is to "represent", instead of making a character that just happens to be LGBTQ, you can't make an LGBTQ character that is remotely controversial, because then you're going to have the LGBTQ community down your throat, for missrepresenting them. Like with the trans person in Andromeda. Also, LGBTQ people can't be evil, because that is a trope and it is negative to the LGBTQ community. You also can't kill a LGBTQ character, because " bury your gays" etc. etc. etc. As a gay man, I just wanted to point out a few things... I totally get where you're coming from: misrepresentation is unnecessarily problematic and having an excess of LGBT people in combination with other tick-the-box factors can begin to be immersion breaking for these games... However, at least with Mass Effect, it makes sense that there'd be more gay people because it would simply be more commonplace that far in the future. Every year in modern times more people "come out" not because it is a trend, but because society across the globe is more accepting. It's always been this way, we're just realizing now how big the LGBT community actually is. Also, I don't mean to be "that person" but scientists today can claim with certainty that an embryo can have two biological dads or moms. In other words, it is very possible for two men or two women to produce genetic offspring; it's just a matter of genetic technological advancement and fighting off concerned naysayers at this point. They've done this successfully with mice in a few countries like Japan and France, I believe. All you need is a stem cell from one man (a skin cell will suffice) which can easily (but expensively) be converted to an egg and then fertilized with the other man's sperm. I don't see why they wouldn't have and utilize this technology in Andromeda when they can be advanced enough to cross deep space and when population is a sensitive matter. Anyway.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 1, 2021 1:50:37 GMT
Also, I don't mean to be "that person" but scientists today can claim with certainty that an embryo can have two biological dads or moms. In other words, it is very possible for two men or two women to produce genetic offspring; it's just a matter of genetic technological advancement and fighting off concerned naysayers at this point. They've done this successfully with mice in a few countries like Japan and France, I believe. All you need is a stem cell from one man (a skin cell will suffice) which can easily (but expensively) be converted to an egg and then fertilized with the other man's sperm. I don't see why they wouldn't have and utilize this technology in Andromeda when they can be advanced enough to cross deep space and when population is a sensitive matter. Honestly, I didn't know this. But in ME, even Miranda can't get pregnant, it seems. Which does mean there is some problem with the non-established way of conception, in universe, at least. Otherwise, that entire entry is pointless. Or maybe the Initiative fixed that too. Which, at this point, the advancements the Initiative has achieved is just beyond anything we've seen accomplished. IRL or not. I'm not even surprised at this point, just how successful the Initiative is at making things, which nobody else in the entire Milky Way managed to do, in virtually no time, with limited resources, compared to what's available to the rest of the galaxy, while also being completely incompetent at accomplishing anything, the moment they set foot on Andromeda. My suspension of disbelief is just so shattered at this point that, why the fuck not, might as well make everyone eternally young and immortal in Andromeda, as well.
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Post by Ascend on Mar 1, 2021 2:04:44 GMT
Maybe they will learn after all... There is a sliver of hope that BioWare can find itself back. All they have to do now is leave the 'woke' nonsense behind. Sorry for being bothered that BioWare acknowledges PoC and LGBT people exist. FYI, I would fall in the category of PoC. Did you assume I was a white cis male...? Attitudes like these are exactly the problem. But it's not like I 'miss' PoC in any media if it is full of white males. One of my favorite movies is The Last Samurai. If I was focused on wanting PoC in everything, I would hate that movie for no legitimate reason. I don't play the victim and I know my worth. I don't need to see someone that more closely resembles me in any media, because I don't need outside validation for me to feel good about my existence. Some minorities can't figure out their own emotions yet think they have the right to dictate how the world is run, and that is a huge problem. And those are exactly the ones behind the 'woke' movement. The majority of 'minorities' don't bother themselves with these woke politics, at least, from the perspective of the ones that I know. I think SirSourpuss explained quite well what the issues are in-game of 'woke' content. If you HAVE to be inclusive, you either have to automatically limit what you can do to play it safe for the 'woke' crowd, or, you have to live with killing the immersion. I mean, imagine if you have a game set during the time of the Vikings and in Viking territory, and yet half of the Vikings are PoC. Any reasonable person would ask what kind of nonsense this is. Imagine a bunch of "PoC" Samurai in The Last Samurai. That would immediately kill the credibility of the movie. Or flip it. Imagine a game taking place in Nigeria, where you're a soldier fighting against oppression, but to be 'inclusive', a quarter of your Nigerian soldier mates fighting on your side are white blonde dudes with blue eyes. Or imagine Black Panther being half white dudes in the tribes/clans to be 'inclusive'. Imagine the outrage. So... Why then, should we accept the opposite? The same applies for LGBT. Take Andromeda. It simply makes little sense to send a bunch of LGBT people to a new galaxy where reproduction is paramount. Even if you have tech to facilitate the reproduction of LGBT people, it does take additional resources compared to standard reproduction. Not to mention the extremely controversial but scientifically verified detail that heterosexual couples experience less intimate partner violence and less suicide attempts compared to LGBT. You'd want as little conflict as possible when going to another galaxy, because survival and collaboration is paramount. But obviously, not including any 'minorities' would piss off the woke people, because they are trying extremely hard to say that they are exactly the same and equally as normal as everyone else. Obviously the argument would be that it's because society is against them, but really, if that was the case, bisexuals and lesbians wouldn't be having the higher rates of domestic violence compared to heterosexual couples. That happens in the home or one on one. Everything points to personal issues, not primarily societal ones. But whatever the reason that suicides and domestic violence are lower in heterosexuals, the only LGBT that would logically be in Andromeda would be one that came out of the closet in Andromeda. And that, in fact, would have been an interesting situation, a much more dynamic and deep exploration of someone in that situation, rather than flooding the game with LGBT characters that serve no purpose to the setting other than quietly saying that the future is woke. Being inclusive for the sake of it is belittling those exact people. And it's not about equality either. If it was, you would be able to shoot an LGBT character in the head in a game, just like you would a white male. But that would not be allowed, now would it...? No matter how evil they are in the game, you will get a bunch of people being pissed off at you that a minority is killed. That kind of immunity is unhealthy for any group of people. You're gonna have to make a choice. Do you want a good BioWare, or do you want a woke BioWare? Because really, you cannot have both. And that doesn't count solely for BioWare, but for all gaming and movie studios. As long as media attempts to be 'safe' for minorities, the inevitable result is predictable and boring products. Not to mention patronizing. And this will remain like that, until the minorities lose their immutability and more importantly, their immunity to criticism and reality. And all this, is coming from someone that loved the movie Philadelphia. Just FYI.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 1, 2021 2:23:57 GMT
Oh boy, we're at the point where people aren't even trying to hide their bigotry.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 1, 2021 2:33:49 GMT
Also why ban LGBTQ people from going to Andromeda? First and foremost, if they are smart or qualified for something you need there is no reason to ban them. As for having babies, each Ark carried 20,000 people. Science says you need less than 200 to populate a planet while avoiding inbreeding, so literally 99% of each Ark could not have babies for whatever reason and the future would be fine. Not to mention there are plenty of LGBTQ people who want to be parents.
Edit: Anders. Fenris. Merrill. The Iron Bull. Celene. Briala. Tela Vasir. Morinth. Samara. And so on. There have been plenty of characters who are LGBTQ who were made villains and/or could be killed.
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Post by Ascend on Mar 1, 2021 2:39:11 GMT
Oh boy, we're at the point where people aren't even trying to hide their bigotry. Uncomfortable truths are not bigotry. Just as some additional info... Healthy relationships require open discussion of uncomfortable subjects and uncomfortable events. To shy away from that is to shy away from a healthy relationship, and therefore from the relationship itself. We can't be snowflaking all the time. We have to stop expecting to be offended. Stand for your rights. But don't play the victim. That area is not as gray as it seems.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 1, 2021 2:42:38 GMT
Oh boy, we're at the point where people aren't even trying to hide their bigotry. Uncomfortable truths are not bigotry. Saying various groups of people aren't normal, aren't mature enough, etc aren't truths. It's the same kind of arguments slave used about how the black people weren't able to care for themselves or were inferior to white people. Edit: Also using The Last Samurai as an example of a movie without PoC is a terrible example, since most of the cast are PoC (Japanese in this case).
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Post by Ascend on Mar 1, 2021 3:00:44 GMT
Also why ban LGBTQ people from going to Andromeda? First and foremost, if they are smart or qualified for something you need there is no reason to ban them. If there is no one else, sure. If there is someone else that is fertile and willing to reproduce, it is perfectly logical to pick that person over an LGBT one if they can do the same job. Unless you can have both come along, and the LGBT is backup for that job, in case the primary one dies. As for having babies, each Ark carried 20,000 people. Science says you need less than 200 to populate a planet while avoiding inbreeding, so literally 99% of each Ark could not have babies for whatever reason and the future would be fine. Not to mention there are plenty of LGBTQ people who want to be parents. If you would have to drive 100 miles, and your car's mileage is 20 miles per gallon, are you going to put in exactly 5 gallons before the trip? Yeah. Didn't think so. I don't think we have to explain the reasons for maximizing natural reproduction capabilities, if we're going to another galaxy with a bunch of unknowns. There's a reason there is more than one ark. And you forgot to account for the different species on each ark. Edit: Anders. Fenris. Merrill. The Iron Bull. Celene. Briala. Tela Vasir. Morinth. Samara. And so on. There have been plenty of characters who are LGBTQ who were made villains and/or could be killed. Anders: Fair enough Fenris & Merill & Iron Bull : Maybe... The Elves and Qunari almost function like the Asari in Mass Effect. I really liked Merrill btw. Awesome character. Celene & Briala: Don't know/remember who they are Tela Vasir, Morinth and Samara don't count. A mono-gendered race can't be considered LGBT, in my view. I think 'plenty' is an overstatement. There have indeed been a few, as you have shown. For Anders, it didn't matter if he was LGBT or not. That is a good thing. For good characters, it generally doesn't really matter. But the Andromeda controversy shows where BioWare has headed with the LGBT characters. And that is the wrong direction.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 1, 2021 3:05:20 GMT
I think we can safely discard the violence metrics because ... it's the future. Like, I don't assume that the rates would maintain their percentages through the years. I'd expect it to decrease with time. But the population aspect is a problem. If it were, in universe, as simple, then you could have, in theory, human/alien hybrids even. You'd be able to grow cells that have genetic material of either parent and be healthy. But it is not what we see. The "Rose of Ilium" for example lets her krogan suitor know that his children will never look like him. It just doesn't seem possible. And while, yes, 200 people could eventually populate the planet, but with more people being born that won't engage in the act of procreation, the population will gradually shrink to under 200 people, to non-viable. Even so, only 4-5% identify as LGBT in the US and it is probably one of the most accepting places of LGBT in the world. Will this change as time passes? Without a doubt. Will it reach the levels portrayed in ME3/ME:A? Unknown. Will it reach to the point where it will eclipse heterosexuals? Honestly, I doubt it. I think we'll reach a point where nobody will care about sexuality.
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Post by Ascend on Mar 1, 2021 3:13:52 GMT
Saying various groups of people aren't normal, aren't mature enough, etc aren't truths. Oh boy... Here we go with the victim playing... If a certain group has a much higher suicide rate than another, if you randomly pick someone from that higher group, you have a higher chance of picking someone with issues, obviously. For a life or death situation, you don't want someone with issues, so you lower the risk. That has nothing to do with hating on any group. It is an educated and calculated decision based on the goal you are trying to reach. I'm not even gonna touch on the 'normal' thing. I've triggered people enough. I'll just say that it's another example of having your cake and eating it too. Edit: Also using The Last Samurai as an example of a movie without PoC is a terrible example, since most of the cast are PoC (Japanese in this case). If you're incapable of understanding that I was obviously referring to 'black' people, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 1, 2021 3:15:49 GMT
Also why ban LGBTQ people from going to Andromeda? First and foremost, if they are smart or qualified for something you need there is no reason to ban them. If there is no one else, sure. If there is someone else that is fertile and willing to reproduce, it is perfectly logical to pick that person over an LGBT one if they can do the same job. Unless you can have both come along, and the LGBT is backup for that job, in case the primary one dies. Congratulations, you just proved my point about bigotry since you just discriminated for no valid reason. You used the same argument as the people who asked "Why hire a black man when a white man can do the job?" Okay, so let's say 10,000 of the 20,000 are LGBTQ. That means another 10,000 are straight which is way way way more than enough for colonization. And again, many LGBTQ people would love to be parents. The reason there is more than one Ark is because different species have different needs. It's the same reason why the Quarian Ark was delayed since it had to add more stuff to care for it carrying multiple races. Celene was the Queen of Orlais, who was a lesbian and you could let be killed to put Gaspard on the throne. They let you help kill a lesbian for a straight white guy. Briala was her female elven spurned lover. Why can't they? If they aren't male or female, that certainly falls under it. No, saying most of the DAI/MEA characters are LGBTQ is an overstatement. In DAI, the most diverse cast so far, only 5 of the 12 weren't straight. In MEA, only 4 of the 10 (5 after the Jaal patch) weren't straight. And most of the minor characters in both games we never learn their orientation, so that's all assumptions they aren't. Also people pointed out characters like Reyes in MEA, who is bi and without character not a pristine character but instead a crime lord. So they didn't shy from making any of them not hero characters either. Saying various groups of people aren't normal, aren't mature enough, etc aren't truths. Oh boy... Here we go with the victim playing... If a certain group has a much higher suicide rate than another, if you randomly pick someone from that higher group, you have a higher chance of picking someone with issues, obviously. For a life or death situation, you don't want someone with issues, so you lower the risk. That has nothing to do with hating on any group. It is an educated and calculated decision based on the goal you are trying to reach. I'm not even gonna touch on the 'normal' thing. I've triggered people enough. I'll just say that it's another example of having your cake and eating it too. Edit: Also using The Last Samurai as an example of a movie without PoC is a terrible example, since most of the cast are PoC (Japanese in this case). If you're incapable of understanding that I was obviously referring to 'black' people, I don't know what to tell you. The reason there is a higher suicide rate among them is because of people like you saying they're freaks and should be discriminated against. In a future where people aren't bigoted assholes, that will go down. Then say black people, not PoC. It's only two more characters.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 1, 2021 3:20:52 GMT
I think we can safely discard the violence metrics because ... it's the future. Like, I don't assume that the rates would maintain their percentages through the years. I'd expect it to decrease with time. But the population aspect is a problem. If it were, in universe, as simple, then you could have, in theory, human/alien hybrids even. You'd be able to grow cells that have genetic material of either parent and be healthy. But it is not what we see. The "Rose of Ilium" for example lets her krogan suitor know that his children will never look like him. It just doesn't seem possible. And while, yes, 200 people could eventually populate the planet, but with more people being born that won't engage in the act of procreation, the population will gradually shrink to under 200 people, to non-viable. Even so, only 4-5% identify as LGBT in the US and it is probably one of the most accepting places of LGBT in the world. Will this change as time passes? Without a doubt. Will it reach the levels portrayed in ME3/ME:A? Unknown. Will it reach to the point where it will eclipse heterosexuals? Honestly, I doubt it. I think we'll reach a point where nobody will care about sexuality. And what levels were portrayed in ME3/MEA? I would love to see the data. So far both games had a few NPCs as such, with just as many if not more shown to be straight and most never stated one way or the other, and one of some of the groups represented in the main group. Heck there were so few gay characters in MEA, the most progressive ME game, that gay players couldn't even get the romance achievement until the Bi Jaal patch.
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