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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 5:46:32 GMT
I see it more like I paid full price for half a ball of ice cream and no little spoon, so I had to make my own spoon, to eat the ice cream, which wasn't even a single ball worth. Then I'm told that if I wanted the spoon and the other half of the ball, I had to pay $15 extra. Also, that's no chocolate sauce with sprinkles. I mean, it is, it's just not made from the ingredients you think it is. If you feel me. I don't feel you. Had Bioware told you upfront that would be included in the base game, yes, your point stands. However, they did not. You want more than they're offering. Pony up princess. Just because you go to a movie theater and buy a ticket, doesn't mean the popcorn and drinks come for free, or should be included in that purchase.
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Post by Gludipow on May 13, 2020 9:21:04 GMT
Wince this thread went waaaaay off the tracks and people are now arguing about the validity and necessity of DLC instead of talking about speculations surrounding ME5, I will try to bring this train back on course.
For me, I would love an MEA2. There is so much that could be explored with what was in MEA. Between Jien Garson's murder and the Jardaan possibly returning, to planets becoming life sustaining and the possibility of the entire Kett empire invading to exhalt the cluster. There is so much to explore yet, and I would hate for all the work put into MEA to go to waste because Mass Effect Andromeda didn't live up to the very high expectations of Mass Effect fanboys.
I would also love for Andromeda to take place maybe 5 years in the future, so we can see how planets are progressing. With Meridian being online, terraforming is on full throttle so planets like Eos could become tropical beach locations. Voeld could transform completely until it's nearly unrecognizable. And I would really love to see that progress. I would love to see what decisions that seemingly had "no repercussions" in MEA now have lingering ones in MEA2. Like, for example, I would really like to see Raeka save Drack's life to "earn" her life being saved over Drack's scouts. As just one example. As much as I love the Krogan, I really wanna see a choice that isn't the atypical Krogan>Salarians choices we got a lot in the OT.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 13, 2020 13:18:39 GMT
Wince this thread went waaaaay off the tracks and people are now arguing about the validity and necessity of DLC instead of talking about speculations surrounding ME5, I will try to bring this train back on course. For me, I would love an MEA2. There is so much that could be explored with what was in MEA. Between Jien Garson's murder and the Jardaan possibly returning, to planets becoming life sustaining and the possibility of the entire Kett empire invading to exhalt the cluster. There is so much to explore yet, and I would hate for all the work put into MEA to go to waste because Mass Effect Andromeda didn't live up to the very high expectations of Mass Effect fanboys. I would also love for Andromeda to take place maybe 5 years in the future, so we can see how planets are progressing. With Meridian being online, terraforming is on full throttle so planets like Eos could become tropical beach locations. Voeld could transform completely until it's nearly unrecognizable. And I would really love to see that progress. I would love to see what decisions that seemingly had "no repercussions" in MEA now have lingering ones in MEA2. Like, for example, I would really like to see Raeka save Drack's life to "earn" her life being saved over Drack's scouts. As just one example. As much as I love the Krogan, I really wanna see a choice that isn't the atypical Krogan>Salarians choices we got a lot in the OT. We need to shake things up. I felt like the idea for Andromeda was sincere and genuine but... it was treading old ground. What we freaking need... is criminals. I didn't realize it until I saw it that Mass Effect takes some of its story and character beats from Farscape, and that was a show where the cast was composed of a bunch of fugitives that managed to escape from the clutches of an evil empire that chases them throughout the entire show. We need to frame Mass Effect 5 around something that is noticeably distinct from the "systems alliance crew" of the last games.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 15:15:07 GMT
I don't feel you either. Had Bioware told you upfront that would be included in the base game, yes, your point stands My point stands regardless. When people point out your inconsistencies, you don't go ahead and claim that these inconsistencies can be explained, for an extra $15. I don't care for your explanations, locked behind paywalls. Either in the game, on release, or recall the product. I don't sympathize. You want more than they're offering Asking a consistent and logical plot is asking more than they're offering? Their offering must be really poor, then. Pony up princess. Just because you go to a movie theater and buy a ticket, doesn't mean the popcorn and drinks come for free, or should be included in that purchase Oh, I paid full price for the popcorn and drinks. What I didn't pay was getting dysentery, because the drinks went bad 3 months ago and the popcorn had rat pee in it. Trust me, Bioware has seen a fair share of money from me. I am just not on board with ant-consumer practices and even less so with anti-consumer relations.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 13, 2020 15:18:16 GMT
Wince this thread went waaaaay off the tracks and people are now arguing about the validity and necessity of DLC instead of talking about speculations surrounding ME5, I will try to bring this train back on course. For me, I would love an MEA2. There is so much that could be explored with what was in MEA. Between Jien Garson's murder and the Jardaan possibly returning, to planets becoming life sustaining and the possibility of the entire Kett empire invading to exhalt the cluster. There is so much to explore yet, and I would hate for all the work put into MEA to go to waste because Mass Effect Andromeda didn't live up to the very high expectations of Mass Effect fanboys. I would also love for Andromeda to take place maybe 5 years in the future, so we can see how planets are progressing. With Meridian being online, terraforming is on full throttle so planets like Eos could become tropical beach locations. Voeld could transform completely until it's nearly unrecognizable. And I would really love to see that progress. I would love to see what decisions that seemingly had "no repercussions" in MEA now have lingering ones in MEA2. Like, for example, I would really like to see Raeka save Drack's life to "earn" her life being saved over Drack's scouts. As just one example. As much as I love the Krogan, I really wanna see a choice that isn't the atypical Krogan>Salarians choices we got a lot in the OT. We need to shake things up. I felt like the idea for Andromeda was sincere and genuine but... it was treading old ground. What we freaking need... is criminals. I didn't realize it until I saw it that Mass Effect takes some of its story and character beats from Farscape, and that was a show where the cast was composed of a bunch of fugitives that managed to escape from the clutches of an evil empire that chases them throughout the entire show. We need to frame Mass Effect 5 around something that is noticeably distinct from the "systems alliance crew" of the last games. They need to finish Ryder's story before they move on to a new protagonist. Even then, no thanks. Have no interest in playing as a criminal.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 13, 2020 15:31:36 GMT
They need to finish Ryder's story before they move on to a new protagonist. Even then, no thanks. Have no interest in playing as a criminal. Why not ? It's worked for Firefly, Farscape, Star Wars and even Star Trek ! What I like about the idea is that it would allow people to fall in love with space exploration again. Why ? Because in any normal setting a space criminal wouldn't give two fucks about the endeavors of scientists and explorers, unless he/she was personally involved or somehow understood the importance of his/her task. Thus, we could welcome new players that haven't played Mass Effect before because they would share the perspective of the criminal while giving a different and innovative take for loyal fans. Everybody wins
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Post by ClarkKent on May 13, 2020 15:32:21 GMT
Well unreal Engine 5 looks pretty.
How about we drop Frostbite for the Mass Effect game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 13, 2020 15:35:41 GMT
They need to finish Ryder's story before they move on to a new protagonist. Even then, no thanks. Have no interest in playing as a criminal. Why not ? It's worked for Firefly, Farscape, Star Wars and even Star Trek ! What I like about the idea is that it would allow people to fall in love with space exploration again. Why ? Because in any normal setting a space criminal wouldn't give two fucks about the endeavors of scientists and explorers, unless he/she was personally involved or somehow understood the importance of his/her task. Thus, we could welcome new players that haven't played Mass Effect before because they would share the perspective of the criminal while giving a different and innovative take for fans of the previous games. Didn't like Firefly, don't know Farscape, Star Wars was rebels against an oppressive government so not the same thing, and don't recall when they were in Star Trek since I didn't watch most of them. None of what you wrote sounds appealing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 15:44:28 GMT
Didn't like Firefly, don't know Farscape
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 15:45:38 GMT
Well unreal Engine 5 looks pretty. How about we drop Frostbite for the Mass Effect game. If EA decides to let BioWare to use Unreal Engine 5 for the Trilogy, instead of Frostbite. Then they are making progress to not be a shitty producer, and BioWare can get back on their feet.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 15:46:52 GMT
If EA decides to let BioWare to use Unreal Engine 5 for the Trilogy, instead of Frostbite. Then they are making progress to not be a shitty producer, and BioWare can get back on their feet. I think we've already established that Bioware will continue working on Frostbite for both DA and ME, as per Mike Gamble's tweet we saw in ... one of these threads.
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 15:58:40 GMT
If EA decides to let BioWare to use Unreal Engine 5 for the Trilogy, instead of Frostbite. Then they are making progress to not be a shitty producer, and BioWare can get back on their feet. I think we've already established that Bioware will continue working on Frostbite for both DA and ME, as per Mike Gamble's tweet we saw in ... one of these threads. Then he's a complete fool for not using Unreal Engine to their advantage.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 13, 2020 16:52:12 GMT
Didn't like Firefly, don't know Farscape, Star Wars was rebels against an oppressive government so not the same thing, and don't recall when they were in Star Trek since I didn't watch most of them. None of what you wrote sounds appealing. How can anyone dislike Firefly ? Bad Hanako Check Farscape out though. You'll see where the inspiration for Liara T'Soni came from. And Star Wars has criminals galore: Han Solo, Boba Fett, Lando Calrissian, Din Djaren, Bossk and countless other smugglers, bounty hunters and mercenaries. It's okay if you don't like it, I can't really draw you an outline of the whole thing ... but the point is that Bioware might have to do something different from Andromeda and leave their comfort zone. I thought MEA was a good game but it was a bit... safe. We need something different this time, something bold and new that steps in and kicks single player expectations for games right in the ass.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 13, 2020 16:57:12 GMT
Didn't like Firefly, don't know Farscape, Star Wars was rebels against an oppressive government so not the same thing, and don't recall when they were in Star Trek since I didn't watch most of them. None of what you wrote sounds appealing. How can anyone dislike Firefly ? Bad Hanako Check Farscape out though. You'll see where the inspiration for Liara T'Soni came from. And Star Wars has criminals galore: Han Solo, Boba Fett, Lando Calrissian, Din Djaren, Bossk and countless other smugglers, bounty hunters and mercenaries. It's okay if you don't like it, I can't really draw you an outline of the whole thing ... but the point is that Bioware might have to do something different from Andromeda and leave their comfort zone. I thought MEA was a good game but it was a bit... safe. We need something different this time, something bold and new that steps in and kicks single player expectations for games right in the ass. ME1 Liara or ME2-3 Liara? WE'll have to agree to disagree. I think the explorer angle that MEA went was exactly the one they need to.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 13, 2020 17:02:29 GMT
ME1 Liara or ME2-3 Liara? WE'll have to agree to disagree. I think the explorer angle that MEA went was exactly the one they need to. Both, it's the exact same character... buuuut that's a bit off-topic on my part I partially agree. Andromeda was a new galaxy and being an explorer suited both story and gameplay but it was also emulating Shepard and crew a bit too much.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 13, 2020 17:10:16 GMT
ME1 Liara or ME2-3 Liara? WE'll have to agree to disagree. I think the explorer angle that MEA went was exactly the one they need to. Both, it's the exact same character... buuuut that's a bit off-topic on my part I partially agree. Andromeda was a new galaxy and being an explorer suited both story and gameplay but it was also emulating Shepard and crew a bit too much. No, they aren't. ME2-3 Liara was a completely different person than ME1 Liara. They ruined her character. I liked more of the Ryder crew than the Shepard crew tbh so I don't care.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 17:30:13 GMT
Then he's a complete fool for not using Unreal Engine to their advantage. I don't know to what extent he is able to make these decisions. We just got the UE5 reveal. I don't think EPIC will wave away their royalty fee, to make it more attractive a solution for EA.
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Post by Phantom on May 13, 2020 17:30:50 GMT
Both, it's the exact same character... buuuut that's a bit off-topic on my part I partially agree. Andromeda was a new galaxy and being an explorer suited both story and gameplay but it was also emulating Shepard and crew a bit too much. No, they aren't. ME2-3 Liara was a completely different person than ME1 Liara. They ruined her character. I liked more of the Ryder crew than the Shepard crew tbh so I don't care. You are right about ME2-3 Liara is different from ME1 Liara and because of bad writing they did ruin her
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 17:34:33 GMT
No, they aren't. ME2-3 Liara was a completely different person than ME1 Liara. They ruined her character. True. I liked more of the Ryder crew than the Shepard crew tbh so I don't care. I wouldn't go that far. Just me.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 13, 2020 17:41:08 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 13, 2020 17:45:08 GMT
No, they aren't. ME2-3 Liara was a completely different person than ME1 Liara. They ruined her character. True. I liked more of the Ryder crew than the Shepard crew tbh so I don't care. I wouldn't go that far. Just me. I would. Kallo was better than Joker. Lexi was better than Chakwas. Drack was better than Wrex. Cora was better than Miranda. Suvi is my favorite in the franchise. And so on.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 17:49:23 GMT
I would. Kallo was better than Joker. Lexi was better than Chakwas. Drack was better than Wrex. Cora was better than Miranda. Suvi is my favorite in the franchise. And so on. Good for you. Doesn't help much, though.
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Post by themikefest on May 13, 2020 17:57:39 GMT
True. I wouldn't go that far. Just me. I would. Kallo was better than Joker. Lexi was better than Chakwas. Drack was better than Wrex. Cora was better than Miranda. Suvi is my favorite in the franchise. And so on. space hamster is better than the duck. Samara is better than the stowaway. Taylor is better than the traitor. The Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, is the best chef in the universe. Harbinger is better than archie. The SR2 is better than the tempest. The mako has weapons. Harbinger and TIM are two of my favorites in the franchise, and so on.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 18:14:06 GMT
space hamster is better than the duck. Samara is better than the stowaway. Taylor is better than the traitor. The Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, is the best chef in the universe. Harbinger is better than archie. The SR2 is better than the tempest. The mako has weapons. Harbinger and TIM are two of my favorites in the franchise, and so on. There is no reason to antagonize Hanako Ikezawa in his views, as he is strongly opinionated and he won't change his tastes. He simply likes what he likes. He can love it to death, but that won't save ME, because the amount of people that like it, as it was released in its latest iteration, are not enough to sustain it financial. If anything, I can relate to liking something very much and just losing it. I mean, who doesn't?
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