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Post by N7eezo on May 13, 2020 19:29:57 GMT
Just read that game assets made with Unreal Engine 4 can be ported to the just announced 5 without much hassle. However Unreal Engine 3 is basically incompatible with Unreal Engine 4.
If a Remaster is on the way, I wonder if EA/Bioware or whatever studio the farmed it out to sticks with UE3 or the rebuild and go with the "inhouse" Frostbite?
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 19:35:58 GMT
It really explains a lot why the Frostbite Engine is problematic.
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 19:39:23 GMT
Then he's a complete fool for not using Unreal Engine to their advantage. I don't know to what extent he is able to make these decisions. We just got the UE5 reveal. I don't think EPIC will wave away their royalty fee, to make it more attractive a solution for EA. Either they use Unreal Engine 5/any high quality engine to make new games, or EA should have people to reprogram and upgrade Frostbite Engine for devs to use.
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Post by N7_Shadow_DK on May 13, 2020 19:53:00 GMT
Well unreal Engine 5 looks pretty. How about we drop Frostbite for the Mass Effect game.
That is truly impressive and Unreal just set the bar higher for everyone in the gaming industry. Real time cinematographic CGI !!!
Unreal's royalties are "5 percent royalty on gross revenue above $3,000 per product, per quarter", the number crunching guys have the saying there, besides company pride, I assume.
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 21:08:44 GMT
Well unreal Engine 5 looks pretty. How about we drop Frostbite for the Mass Effect game.
That is truly impressive and Unreal just set the bar higher for everyone in the gaming industry. Real time cinematographic CGI !!!
Unreal's royalties are "5 percent royalty on gross revenue above $3,000 per product, per quarter", the number crunching guys have the saying there, besides company pride, I assume.
There are no excuses that they don't use Unreal Engine. Respawn Entertainment uses it in Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, and it performs very well. And they're under EA on top of that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 21:34:18 GMT
EA should have people to reprogram and upgrade Frostbite Engine for devs to use But that doesn't generate EA revenue. Even if they could monetize it, by letting other studios, for other companies, make use of it to produce their game, with EA support, for a fee, in addition to a share of their revenue, from sales. That's trickle down money and EA isn't a wage slave. It's all hookers, gambling and drugs for EA. Are afforded a far greater degree of freedom, because they do a lot of heavy lifting and bring in revenue, especially in one of EA's hardest times, when Battlefront 2 was still hurting, Battlefield V was limping and Anthem had no legs out the gate, with Apex Legends. Respawn is still swinging their balls around and moving everyone out of their way, including Blake Jorgensen. But I predict things will start going downward for Respawn sooner than later. A lot of talent has left them, apparently and Zampella is in a more managerial position in EA and no longer head of Respawn. Which is a shame. I really hope I am wrong. Fallen Order was a good game and hopefully Fallen Order 2 will be better and do better. Man, I hope I am wrong about Respawn's future.
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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2020 21:51:03 GMT
EA should have people to reprogram and upgrade Frostbite Engine for devs to use But that doesn't generate EA revenue. Even if they could monetize it, by letting other studios, for other companies, make use of it to produce their game, with EA support, for a fee, in addition to a share of their revenue, from sales. That's trickle down money and EA isn't a wage slave. It's all hookers, gambling and drugs for EA. Are afforded a far greater degree of freedom, because they do a lot of heavy lifting and bring in revenue, especially in one of EA's hardest times, when Battlefront 2 was still hurting, Battlefield V was limping and Anthem had no legs out the gate, with Apex Legends. Respawn is still swinging their balls around and moving everyone out of their way, including Blake Jorgensen. But I predict things will start going downward for Respawn sooner than later. A lot of talent has left them, apparently and Zampella is in a more managerial position in EA and no longer head of Respawn. Which is a shame. I really hope I am wrong. Fallen Order was a good game and hopefully Fallen Order 2 will be better and do better. Man, I hope I am wrong about Respawn's future. That doesn't make any sense that they won't upgrade their gaming engine. If they're so concerned about generating revenue, then they should upgrade Frostbite Engine as the state of the art system. That way, the devs under EA would not have a hard time using the engine. But what do I know? EA are a bunch of assholes, anyhow. And I wish Respawn Entertainment the very best.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2020 22:59:51 GMT
That doesn't make any sense that they won't upgrade their gaming engine. If they're so concerned about generating revenue, then they should upgrade Frostbite Engine as the state of the art system. That way, the devs under EA would not have a hard time using the engine. But what do I know? EA are a bunch of assholes, anyhow. EA doesn't care. It's a game engine. How hard can it be? Andrew Wilson's job is to make money, not to make things easy. Even if he decides what could be made easy, or easier, so as to generate more money. It's like putting in money for something and to maintain something that doesn't generate money, by itself, is not a thought crossing Andrew's mind.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2020 2:11:00 GMT
That doesn't make any sense that they won't upgrade their gaming engine. If they're so concerned about generating revenue, then they should upgrade Frostbite Engine as the state of the art system. That way, the devs under EA would not have a hard time using the engine. But what do I know? EA are a bunch of assholes, anyhow. EA doesn't care. It's a game engine. How hard can it be? Andrew Wilson's job is to make money, not to make things easy. Even if he decides what could be made easy, or easier, so as to generate more money. It's like putting in money for something and to maintain something that doesn't generate money, by itself, is not a thought crossing Andrew's mind. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't create win-win situations. If I were head of EA, I would get feedback from devs about issues of the engine. And then I'll have programmers to upgrade the Frostbite Engine, to make things easier for developers to create games with the engine. The higher the quality of the engine, the more better games that comes from devs. And more revenue. But it seems that companies such as EA refuse to do that, because they're are a bunch of jack-asses.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 14, 2020 6:44:58 GMT
*** Munches some popcorn and watches engine discussion ***
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Post by Gludipow on May 14, 2020 6:55:44 GMT
We need to shake things up. I felt like the idea for Andromeda was sincere and genuine but... it was treading old ground. What we freaking need... is criminals. I didn't realize it until I saw it that Mass Effect takes some of its story and character beats from Farscape, and that was a show where the cast was composed of a bunch of fugitives that managed to escape from the clutches of an evil empire that chases them throughout the entire show. We need to frame Mass Effect 5 around something that is noticeably distinct from the "systems alliance crew" of the last games. They need to finish Ryder's story before they move on to a new protagonist. Even then, no thanks. Have no interest in playing as a criminal. I would have to agree. The closest you will get is maybe outcasts in Andromeda recreating the old Merc bands or trying to turn Kadara into Omega... something like that, and even then I don't think that will go far beyond maybe getting a companion from that line. No one is really that interested in PLAYING a criminal. That stuff makes for good TV entertainment and movie stuff. As you mention TV shows and movies. But it doesn't exactly translate well into a game like this unless the game is fully rigged in that direction. Mass Effect may take some inspiration from Farscape, as you say. But inspiration doesn't translate to taking the whole damn dessert cart and running with it just because. It would turn off a lot of fans to the franchise, truth be told. And I know I would be one of them. Also, I have to agree with Hanako on the idea that BW did exactly what was necessary with Andromeda and going the explorer route into a potentially tense and hostile cluster. It will make any conflicts with the Jardaan and the Kett empire in future Andromeda titles all the more pressing and important. We don't have ships with guns to fall back on if shit goes South. We are composed of civilians and explorers first, small task forces of military personnel second of which on their own could NOT fight a Kett legion. The ending stressed we CANNOT just raise another Remnant fleet against another possible onslaught of Kett or, heaven forbid, the Jardaan or whatever manipulated the dark energy to scare them away. We have a limited population of only a couple hundred thousand people to wake up, at maximum. Fewer for other races given the run ins we already had with the Kett and the Scourge in MEA. We would have to play smart, make smart decisions, play diplomat where necessary, etc. Be STRATEGIC instead of using flat out brute force like we are used to. Because unlike the original trilogy, we don't have the Alliance military to back us even if we have some of it's training. Think Mass Effect 3 but on steroids and requiring way more strategic maneuvering because no ship with a stealth drive and a Turian laser. That is what I am thinking may very well happen in upcoming Andromedas. Surrounded by enemies with no military fleets to back us. We would be seriously up shit creek without a paddle. And that kind of tension will make for an amazing game if they can execute it right.
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Post by themikefest on May 14, 2020 12:33:14 GMT
If Bioware were to make another game in Andromeda, I would want it take place shortly after the events of MEA because of the kett. They remain a threat. They know the location of the Nexus and outposts. If the game were to take place x number of years in the future, what excuse would be given for the kett? They decided to pack up their bags and go home? I would have the next game start off with the Kett attacking the Nexus or an outpost in force. After the attack, the Initiative realize they don't have enough to take on the kett. The main character ends up going to another cluster to get help to deal with the kett.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2020 15:00:35 GMT
I would. Kallo was better than Joker. Lexi was better than Chakwas. Drack was better than Wrex. Cora was better than Miranda. Suvi is my favorite in the franchise. And so on. space hamster is better than the duck. Samara is better than the stowaway. Taylor is better than the traitor. The Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, is the best chef in the universe. Harbinger is better than archie. The SR2 is better than the tempest. The mako has weapons. Harbinger and TIM are two of my favorites in the franchise, and so on. What the heck is the duck?
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Post by themikefest on May 14, 2020 15:12:13 GMT
space hamster is better than the duck. Samara is better than the stowaway. Taylor is better than the traitor. The Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, is the best chef in the universe. Harbinger is better than archie. The SR2 is better than the tempest. The mako has weapons. Harbinger and TIM are two of my favorites in the franchise, and so on. What the heck is the duck? You have played MEA? Remember Ryder being called little duck? Instead of saying duck, I will say little duck the next time.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2020 15:34:30 GMT
What the heck is the duck? You have played MEA? Remember Ryder being called little duck? Instead of saying duck, I will say little duck the next time. Oh Christ I keep forgetting that Massani fool actually exists in the game, since he just buggers off to the boonies of Eos to sleep with Kett corpses.
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Post by themikefest on May 14, 2020 16:32:49 GMT
You have played MEA? Remember Ryder being called little duck? Instead of saying duck, I will say little duck the next time. Oh Christ I keep forgetting that Massani fool actually exists in the game, since he just buggers off to the boonies of Eos to sleep with Kett corpses. That Massani fool, as you call him, I would prefer over the two stupid fools, the stowaway and traitor.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2020 0:53:08 GMT
Oh Christ I keep forgetting that Massani fool actually exists in the game, since he just buggers off to the boonies of Eos to sleep with Kett corpses. That Massani fool, as you call him, I would prefer over the two stupid fools, the stowaway and traitor. Conrad’s sister is better. She should’ve had an option for us to cause her to die hilariously like her brother.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2020 0:59:33 GMT
That Massani fool, as you call him, I would prefer over the two stupid fools, the stowaway and traitor. Conrad’s sister is better. She should’ve had an option for us to cause her to die hilariously like her brother. There should have been an option to leave the stowaway on the planet for putting everyone in danger and an option to shoot the traitor for his stupidity. Both of those would have been hilarious.
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Post by Gludipow on May 15, 2020 8:19:01 GMT
That Massani fool, as you call him, I would prefer over the two stupid fools, the stowaway and traitor. Conrad’s sister is better. She should’ve had an option for us to cause her to die hilariously like her brother. Wasn't Verner his cousin and not his sister? If Bioware were to make another game in Andromeda, I would want it take place shortly after the events of MEA because of the kett. They remain a threat. They know the location of the Nexus and outposts. If the game were to take place x number of years in the future, what excuse would be given for the kett? They decided to pack up their bags and go home? I would have the next game start off with the Kett attacking the Nexus or an outpost in force. After the attack, the Initiative realize they don't have enough to take on the kett. The main character ends up going to another cluster to get help to deal with the kett. In all honesty, we don't know how far away the Kett home system is. So a few years later would be reasonable, not to mention it would take time for the Kett empire to mobilize and send a mass of ships to the Andromeda galaxy for revenge. After all, as you might recall, ME3 took place at least 6 months to a year after ME2 even though our last shot in ME2 was of the Reapers heading toward the Milky Way galaxy. And that was WITH them on the way. The Kett have to go home at the end of MEA, and then come back in the sequel. Which gives more wiggle room to at least witness the fruits of our labor in the first game. Personally that is my preference. To at least see how our pick for ambassador works out and how the worlds are flourishing. It would at least give players a motivator to fight for what they made, or to do better. At least in my opinion.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2020 8:50:51 GMT
Conrad’s sister is better. She should’ve had an option for us to cause her to die hilariously like her brother. Wasn't Verner his cousin and not his sister? If Bioware were to make another game in Andromeda, I would want it take place shortly after the events of MEA because of the kett. They remain a threat. They know the location of the Nexus and outposts. If the game were to take place x number of years in the future, what excuse would be given for the kett? They decided to pack up their bags and go home? I would have the next game start off with the Kett attacking the Nexus or an outpost in force. After the attack, the Initiative realize they don't have enough to take on the kett. The main character ends up going to another cluster to get help to deal with the kett. In all honesty, we don't know how far away the Kett home system is. So a few years later would be reasonable, not to mention it would take time for the Kett empire to mobilize and send a mass of ships to the Andromeda galaxy for revenge. After all, as you might recall, ME3 took place at least 6 months to a year after ME2 even though our last shot in ME2 was of the Reapers heading toward the Milky Way galaxy. And that was WITH them on the way. The Kett have to go home at the end of MEA, and then come back in the sequel. Which gives more wiggle room to at least witness the fruits of our labor in the first game. Personally that is my preference. To at least see how our pick for ambassador works out and how the worlds are flourishing. It would at least give players a motivator to fight for what they made, or to do better. At least in my opinion. No it’s actually her sister. We do know that the Kett utilize ships similar to the arks, which is one that we board at some point. This would suggest that the time it takes to reach the Kett home world would probably be too long to be practical for a ship like the Tempest. This does leave opportunity for a decent time jump and progression in Heleus while reasonably explaining why the Kett haven’t done anything for a long time since.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2020 12:29:08 GMT
In all honesty, we don't know how far away the Kett home system is. So a few years later would be reasonable, not to mention it would take time for the Kett empire to mobilize and send a mass of ships to the Andromeda galaxy for revenge. The Initiative does not know where the kett's home world is, so they have to assume the kett can have reinforcements come in at any time. Even without them, the kett are still in a position to do a lot of damage to the Initiative. The Initiative proved they can't stop the kett. Take away the scrouge, the tempest would have been destroyed. Take away the scrouge, all the ships that were attacking the kett over Meridian would have been destroyed. If the kett were to attack the Nexus in force, they would succeed in destroying it. Remember how easy it was for them to take the Hyperion. Of course no one knows what Meridian will be able to do until it's fully studied. How long will it take? Do they have to go home? Doing that would give the Initiative a chance to fine a way to deal with them when they return. I don't see that happening. How much time would pass to see the planets flourish? As I said, I would have the kett attack either an outpost or the Nexus forcing the Initiative to send the main character to another cluster to get help. Doing that would let the player explore another cluster, and meet another species or two.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2020 13:39:39 GMT
In all honesty, we don't know how far away the Kett home system is. So a few years later would be reasonable, not to mention it would take time for the Kett empire to mobilize and send a mass of ships to the Andromeda galaxy for revenge. The Initiative does not know where the kett's home world is, so they have to assume the kett can have reinforcements come in at any time. Even without them, the kett are still in a position to do a lot of damage to the Initiative. The Initiative proved they can't stop the kett. Take away the scrouge, the tempest would have been destroyed. Take away the scrouge, all the ships that were attacking the kett over Meridian would have been destroyed. If the kett were to attack the Nexus in force, they would succeed in destroying it. Remember how easy it was for them to take the Hyperion. Of course no one knows what Meridian will be able to do until it's fully studied. How long will it take? Do they have to go home? Doing that would give the Initiative a chance to fine a way to deal with them when they return. I don't see that happening. How much time would pass to see the planets flourish? As I said, I would have the kett attack either an outpost or the Nexus forcing the Initiative to send the main character to another cluster to get help. Doing that would let the player explore another cluster, and meet another species or two. There’s not much to suggest that the Kett are in any position to launch another offensive after their defeat at Merdian with what may be left in the cluster. The Primus is still alive, but that doesn’t really mean much in and of itself. Any remaining forces may simply not have the numbers or equipment left to mobilize against both the Initiative and Angara. More importantly, the Initiative is no longer fully exposed to any future attacks by any Kett in Heleus, since Meridian itself serves as a major stronghold. And, since the Scourge *is* a thing that everyone has to adapt to, the Initiative and Angara will still be able to use that to their advantage, since they’ll be better prepared to navigate it than the Kett. The Kett probably wouldn’t go home, or at least not all of them, since they’d probably want to have as many eyes as they can get to keep an eye on Heleus’ progress following their defeat. However much that really helps them in the end would be up to the writers. But whether or not they stay or leave wouldn’t really change the Initiative and their Angaran allies better preparing themselves for any future attacks. It’s doubtful the Kett would be able to do much of anything to impede that progress. The Remnant artifacts would have each planet within the terraforming network be habitable pretty much immediately. Activating Merdian speeds this up even further. In all likelihood, all terraformed worlds would be teeming with people in pretty short order. Even just a couple of months would probably see a huge population explosion since all those people who were in cryo all this time would now either be planet side or on Meridian during all this development. I personally do not see the Kett being much of a threat here, but if the writers in this hypothetical follow-up were to do something with that Primus ending scene, they’d probably just give them some new kind of death-dealing ship or whatever that we’ve never seen before to raise the stakes. Honestly, I would put my money in the Remnant creators being another threat, since they would have a better understanding of the technology everyone is thriving on, whereas the Kett are just tourists who got their asses kicked after a protracted and ultimately failed initiative.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2020 14:15:10 GMT
There’s not much to suggest that the Kett are in any position to launch another offensive after their defeat at Merdian with what may be left in the cluster. I disagree. Since they were able to take the Hyperion without any problems, sending one or two ships to attack the Nexus would be easy pickings for them. Just fire at it from a distance. They may not destroy the station, but a few well placed shots would likely cripple it. Meridian being a stronghold won't do anything against the kett if they decide to attack the Nexus. The kett will likely avoid Meridian until they can get more information about it. What good did the scrouge do when the kett took the Hyperion? Nothing. I agree it can be useful in the area it's at, but when it's not, the kett have the advantage The problem with the kett was the archon. It's too bad he didn't fire on the salarian ship when Ryder was caught in the immobilization field. Ther tempest may have been destroyed as well. I would have enjoyed seeing the look on Ryder's face if that were to happen. Then look at the kett taking the Hyperion. What i would have done is leave a few ships to guard the Nexus while Archon takes the Hyperion. Ryder is then faced with deciding to save the Nexus or the Hyperion.
Of course it's up to the writers what happens, but I will stick with having the kett attack the Nexus which leads to the main character traveling to another cluster looking for help to deal with the kett, if there's to be another game in Andromeda.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2020 15:41:38 GMT
There’s not much to suggest that the Kett are in any position to launch another offensive after their defeat at Merdian with what may be left in the cluster. I disagree. Since they were able to take the Hyperion without any problems, sending one or two ships to attack the Nexus would be easy pickings for them. Just fire at it from a distance. They may not destroy the station, but a few well placed shots would likely cripple it. Meridian being a stronghold won't do anything against the kett if they decide to attack the Nexus. The kett will likely avoid Meridian until they can get more information about it. What good did the scrouge do when the kett took the Hyperion? Nothing. I agree it can be useful in the area it's at, but when it's not, the kett have the advantage The problem with the kett was the archon. It's too bad he didn't fire on the salarian ship when Ryder was caught in the immobilization field. Ther tempest may have been destroyed as well. I would have enjoyed seeing the look on Ryder's face if that were to happen. Then look at the kett taking the Hyperion. What i would have done is leave a few ships to guard the Nexus while Archon takes the Hyperion. Ryder is then faced with deciding to save the Nexus or the Hyperion.
Of course it's up to the writers what happens, but I will stick with having the kett attack the Nexus which leads to the main character traveling to another cluster looking for help to deal with the kett, if there's to be another game in Andromeda.
The Kett suffered losses both at Khi Tasira and Meridian. It’s not likely they can do much more than take potshots at easier targets. They might be able to attack the Nexus again, but that won’t benefit them if they can’t totally obliterate the central governing agents of the Heleus allies, which are now based in Meridian. The Kett will try to learn about Meridian, but there’s absolutely no reason they could ever learn more than the Initiative, thanks to both SAM and Peebee. The only kett who had any meaningful level of understanding of how Remnant technology works is the Archon, and he’s on a slab for study at Meridian. Safe to say that unless the writers just ass-pull their way into the Kett magically knowing how to just overcome remnant technology despite their continued failure to do so after 80+ years of the Archon trying, they’re shit out of luck. I wouldn’t try to bring the kett back as the major force. I would prefer to complicate them with a bit of turmoil within their own government and perhaps even see them approaching total collapse. I feel it would make sense since their method of reproduction and quasi-religious ideology just isn’t truly sustainable. The Jardaan are far more advanced, and could potentially be a far greater threat if they decided they wanted to reclaim their technology. Maybe even whoever created the scourge itself.
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Post by burningcherry on May 15, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
Let's get the scaling correct: the Initiative's forces are negligible compared to the angara. If someone is to repel a kett offensive, it can only be the latter.
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