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Post by samhain444 on Jan 26, 2018 18:45:04 GMT
I was not tuned in into the larger community feels in 2005, I was hanging out with the modding crowd. I played Jade and loved it. Its only drawback as far as I was concerned was not really being able to mod Zu’s romance in. So I went back to modding the old infinity games and NWN2. i think for me back then in-fighting over the mods, and what to mod mattered more, and it never really even occurred to me that BioWare might have troubles. It was always Obsidian that teetered on the brink and had problems. As far as I knew in my community everyone worshiped the pixels Bio walked on in that time period. The seething hatred was reserved for NWN1, and, to a degree, for the dialogue wheel in ME, but it was not associated with “we hate Bio!” Loved Jade Empire. I initially bought it because of the "from the developers of KOTOR" marketing and play it for months. Still have memories of getting hit by the Ghosts outside the Inn and fighting your evil master with the Jade Golem. Jade Empire was the reason I bought Mass Effect without waiting for reviews.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 18:49:22 GMT
Loved Jade Empire. I initially bought it because of the "from the developers of KOTOR" marketing and play it for months. Still have memories of getting hit by the Ghosts outside the Inn and fighting your evil master with the Jade Golem. Jade Empire was the reason I bought Mass Effect without waiting for reviews Jade Empire has the best shape-shifting mechanism from all their games. I am still waiting to replay it with an emphasize on accumulating the different demon forms and, yup, the Jade Golem... In all other games, the shifting was not nearly as cool. That's too bad.
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Post by nanotm on Jan 26, 2018 19:49:37 GMT
despite all the negativity around a couple of bioware's recent efforts the games wernt all bad (hell even though i didnt like it as much Andromeda wasn't that bad, the storyline had some stupidity points but otherwise was fine, the game mechanics had a few bugs (but so do most games, hell skyrim and tw3 both still have game killing bugs) the single worst aspect of it was the lacklustre voice acting for the main character in the sp campaign...
i loved the mp side of it and i only stopped playing that because my pc wouldn't run it after an update and no dev support less than 8months in (and thats more of an EA complaint than a bioware one) if they ever get round to making the other 3 dlc's and fixing a few issues (like the game crashing to desktop when trying to open it) i'll probably play it some more....
if anthem came out tomorrow i'd probably buy it i hate the EA macro transaction system and on principle would prefer it never appeared in any game especially given how much they fleece you for them but all the BW games i played so far have been good....
hopefully bioware will make a new game mass effect game as well as some new DA games building on the good bits of previous ones but that doesn't seem to be how the gaming world is going/
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 26, 2018 20:01:13 GMT
meanwhile Muzyka, Zeschuk and Yip are calmly enjoying all the money EA payed after selling the company, and watching the mess they have been spared off them. Yip was gone long before he could benefit from the ea money. The other two Doctors left at just the right time for them so I salute them for that. The whole EA/riccello thing always seemed very shady to me.
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Post by warden on Jan 26, 2018 20:18:35 GMT
meanwhile Muzyka, Zeschuk and Yip are calmly enjoying all the money EA payed after selling the company, and watching the mess they have been spared off them. Yip was gone long before he could benefit from the ea money.The other two Doctors left at just the right time for them so I salute them for that. The whole EA/riccello thing always seemed very shady to me. oh, i didn't remember that, oh well, "poor" guy i guess.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 26, 2018 20:19:07 GMT
Bioware died long ago for me As we're recycling much of the 'BioWare closure' arguments in here. I'm moving these posts in there.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 26, 2018 20:36:37 GMT
Bait poll is bait.
Few, if any people want Bioware to close. But it's also clearly not the company it was. What I want, at least, is for them to take a good long look at what made them the big name in cRPGs, and try to get back to their roots. Not follow every new fad that comes along.
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Post by tacsear on Jan 26, 2018 20:45:26 GMT
Bait poll is bait. Few, if any people want Bioware to close. But it's also clearly not the company it was. What I want, at least, is for them to take a good long look at what made them the big name in cRPGs, and try to get back to their roots. Not follow every new fad that comes along. They can't go back to their roots because it's not up to them
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Post by Iakus on Jan 26, 2018 20:53:49 GMT
Bait poll is bait. Few, if any people want Bioware to close. But it's also clearly not the company it was. What I want, at least, is for them to take a good long look at what made them the big name in cRPGs, and try to get back to their roots. Not follow every new fad that comes along. They can't go back to their roots because it's not up to them Sadly, this is likely true. But that just makes it more plain that Bioware isn't Bioware anymore.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 26, 2018 21:00:51 GMT
I think the poll should have an indifference option.
Too loaded as is.
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Post by river82 on Jan 26, 2018 21:17:11 GMT
NO ONE HERE WILL VOTE YES. At the end of the day everyone on social is a fan, because this isn't a wacky hivemind - although thanks for making a thread of my previous post, it felt like i was on reddit for a second which was why i made it. Why? Because if you go onto Reddit, then 3/4 of responses will pretty much talk about how they are total shit and should go away, EA ruined them, everyone good is gone, etc etc ad nauseam. Reddit's a cesspool at times. I don't understand the concept of "this company no longer caters to me, they need to be destroyed" because if they're still in business then obviously many others are happy with their games. They want to take away a studio others are happy with because they are irritated. It's a selfish attitude.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 26, 2018 21:46:27 GMT
close? no
but failing SO hard that they cannot dodge it/deflect it and have to take a long deep hard look at some of their new practices and whatnot? yeah
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Post by natetrace on Jan 26, 2018 21:48:09 GMT
Some want them too. It's fun for them to feel like they made a difference, even if it's terrible. I don't because their games are right up my alley and I get more out of them than any other company. Also I don't because I'm pretty sure people losing their jobs is a bad thing. Well, mostly. Look, I follow the Packers and all teams out of Cleveland. It's gonna take a helluva lot for BioWare to screw up in my eyes.
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Post by Rochrok on Jan 27, 2018 3:19:34 GMT
I don't really care. I'm mostly a consumer. If the company stops making games I want to play, then they can shut down for all I care. I'll feel bad for the people losing their jobs, but people lose their jobs every day.
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Post by tacsear on Jan 27, 2018 7:05:42 GMT
They can't go back to their roots because it's not up to them Sadly, this is likely true. But that just makes it more plain that Bioware isn't Bioware anymore. It's all about how long can they stay as Bioware under EA, which isn't very long
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 27, 2018 12:05:46 GMT
well, to me the bioware i grew up with started to die around DA2... now, when did it's heart actually stop beating? i honestly have no idea. it's almost like that bioware i loved died, and i somehow didn't notice it had been replaced with a plastic blowup doll.
so, do i think bioware, or rather the plastic doll that replaced it should just disintegrate? no. killing what's left of this incarnation of bioware won't bring back the old one, and simply destroying their studio wouldn't really accomplish anything in my eyes. so, by all means let them keep turning out titles, if they're good... i might actually pick one up. if not... it's no skin off my back, i just won't spend any of my cash picking up the garbage.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jan 27, 2018 14:44:56 GMT
I don't like seeing any studio close, even if I don't care for their games. If Bioware can't or won't make anymore SP games with the same deep rich stories and characters like they did with the OT or the first couple DA games, then I'm done with them and what happens to them happens.
They are following the flow of money, either by choice or not, but it's not the way I want to see them go. As long as EA are the overlords their creative freedom to do what they have done best in the past is going to be stifled in favor of profit margins.
My favorite games from Bioware are DA2 and ME2. I think for story, characters, and dialog, those were the best of their series (IMO). I would love to see the devs from those games come together with their own studio and create linear SP games like we used to get. I have never supported a kicker starter game, but I would be willing to support something like that.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 27, 2018 17:19:54 GMT
I would be ok with it if it happened. Let's be honest here, companies never last especially developers in the games industry. Bioware has been producing mediocre products as of late so the quality dip shows us where Bioware is heading if Anthem flops and I have growing suspicion it will since it's a glorified destiny clone.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 27, 2018 17:21:38 GMT
I jumped on Bioware's train in 2009. I wonder what the situation was when Jade Empire, Bioware's first IP, flopped in 2005. Did people want Bioware to be closed? Jade Empire didn't flop where did you pull that from? Jade Empire was a good game.
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Post by duckley on Jan 27, 2018 17:25:39 GMT
I really never fully understood the level of criticism that Bioware has received. From my perspective they have produced some masterpieces, some great games, as well as some mediocre (but fun) games. Taking new directions as a company (or subsidiary) like with Anthem, may work well for them in expanding their fan base. I think I may even try Anthem, although it doesn't really look like my kind of game.
I just hope they also continue to produce fun and great SP RPGs!!
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Post by phoray on Jan 27, 2018 20:26:12 GMT
Where did the OP come from? how did this poll come about? o-o
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 27, 2018 20:58:44 GMT
close? no but failing SO hard that they cannot dodge it/deflect it and have to take a long deep hard look at some of their new practices and whatnot? yeah You don't think it's a bit naive to believe that the former won't be the most likely consequence of the latter? You think EA is supportive of learning from lessons when millions of dollars are being flushed down the toilet? If positive change is going to come at all, it will be from modest success that can be improved on. Any other outcome leads to status quo or closure.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 27, 2018 21:07:14 GMT
seems like 75% of the posters on this thread actually want Bioware to be closed down. It can seem that way, but bear in mind that some BSNers have ridden this train for a long time and tastes can fall out of step with where the market is. Hmm, my instinct is that most people around here want BioWare to succeed but critical posts have a 'squeaky wheel effect. But I might be wrong. I think it might be interesting to see what the truth of it is ~ I'll appropriate this post into a little poll. I think there are multiple variables to look at. 1) There are those, I guess you can say....."anti-SJW" crowd that no matter how good a Bioware game is, they will hate it and cheer its failure because they do not like the...."SJW" vibe that Bioware games have. So for these people, yes, they purely want Bioware to fail and close. 2) People who would rather Bioware go back to their pre-EA ways and be a simple RPG developer who focuses on story and less of that "EAism". I fall into this category. We wanted Bioware to succeed, but it is now clear that Bioware is a shell of its former self (see MEA) and that all their endeavors now is focused on the EA goal rather than the old 3 Pillars of Bioware which were Story, Worlds, and Characters. Now it is more....MTs, Multiplayer, and Story. Since Bioware is no long what it used to be, might as well close down the whole thing instead of keeping them on life support. The delay of Anthem along with the reboot of DA4 is not a good sign. It shows that they are in desperate mode and is trying to scramble and go all in on Anthem to ensure that it isn't a failure. Since when did Bioware ever have to do this? Even pre-release, MEA was considered a much anticipated game and was expected to do well, it was only the early access that killed it along with the bad gameplay and narrative. Also, this poll is clearly biased as this is a fansite of Bioware so naturally more people would want Bioware to succeed than fail. Me, I voted yes because I do want Anthem to fail. My hope is that by Anthem failing, Bioware/EA would understand that purely MP games isn't Bioware's strong suit and perhaps will let them go back to the single player focused mindset.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 27, 2018 21:09:50 GMT
Where did the OP come from? how did this poll come about? o-o This was the instigating reply, in context within it's thread: bsn.boards.net/thread/14088/anthem-delayed-2019-inside-sources?page=2&scrollTo=973715But you see that kind of sentiment all over this forum, particularly in the ME subs. You can see in the replies in this thread that most of the grievances against Bioware are with respect to ME. So SofaJockey decided to put the sentiment to the test: how pervasive is it in these subs? It's not a scientific poll by any means, and not everyone will see it that might vote either way, but it will still be entertaining, regardless. I do agree that a neutral option would have been good, though. Frankly, I think most customers of Bioware are neutral. BSN self-selects for fans, so we won't get a true picture here, but even within BSN we should see some more representative customers who just come here for info or rumors, not to fan.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 27, 2018 21:11:49 GMT
Also, this poll is clearly biased as this is a fansite of Bioware so naturally more people would want Bioware to succeed than fail. Me, I voted yes because I do want Anthem to fail. My hope is that by Anthem failing, Bioware/EA would understand that purely MP games isn't Bioware's strong suit and perhaps will let them go back to the single player focused mindset. FWIW, you misread the poll question. It's is it time for Bioware to close, yes/no? Not do you want Anthem to fail. If Bioware closes, all hope of going "back to the single player focused mindset" is over.
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