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Post by Iakus on Mar 29, 2019 15:21:54 GMT
The AI conspiracy starts to get even better. There are several anecdotal (so far) claims from people who say they have consistently way better luck in Legendary drop rates compared to their friends. The difference? The "lucky" players spent a good ammount of money on Anthem's MTX... Edit: I wonder if the "health bug" is the AI actually tweaking the difficulty per player. Btw, this "bug" is still not fixed despite Bioware's patch claims. Sounds like how Las Vegas casinos treat their whales.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Mar 29, 2019 15:51:40 GMT
Random drops for online games need to die in a fucking fire. Let the player earn currency, then go to a store and buy what they want.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 29, 2019 16:32:22 GMT
Borderlands 2: Handsome Edition is on sale for 15 bucks on Steam. Boyfriend played it way back and is now begging me to buy it so we can replay together. I'm inclined to give it a shot. Keep hearing how it was looter shooter done right. So let's see if I can enjoy that genre after all. Bioware's version of both open world and looter shooter is not a good messure for anything anyway... If I like it, Borderlands 3 is on the horizon too (but I'd bet money it's going to be Epic exclusive at first). Looks like a good deal. I was curious about that game for a while. Sounds like a good time to grab it and put it on the waiting list. They are fun games though I wish you could customize your characters. You are stuck with short lady with lame hat if you want to play the robot summoner. Or old grey haired skinny dude if you want to play the assassin. Magic= women in the setting. To pretend it’s not the standard women’s are mages trope they are making the current mage have brawling magic. But if you want to have magic powers on your character and play a dude tough shit. Basically fixed protagonist issues though you have 4 choices for your fixed protagonist. It’s rpg enough that I’m not a fan of the fixed protagonist model. I totally roll with it in pure action adventure games like tomb raider or uncharted. But once it feels pseudo rpg I want more customization. Assassins creed has similar issues for me, I haven’t played the most recent one so I’m not sure how much you can customize him/her.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 29, 2019 16:51:19 GMT
Looks like a good deal. I was curious about that game for a while. Sounds like a good time to grab it and put it on the waiting list. They are fun games though I wish you could customize your characters. You are stuck with short lady with lame hat if you want to play the robot summoner. Or old grey haired skinny dude if you want to play the assassin. Magic= women in the setting. To pretend it’s not the standard women’s are mages trope they are making the current mage have brawling magic. But if you want to have magic powers on your character and play a dude tough shit. Basically fixed protagonist issues though you have 4 choices for your fixed protagonist. It’s rpg enough that I’m not a fan of the fixed protagonist model. I totally roll with it in pure action adventure games like tomb raider or uncharted. But once it feels pseudo rpg I want more customization. Assassins creed has similar issues for me, I haven’t played the most recent one so I’m not sure how much you can customize him/her. I cannot stand the humor of it anymore. It has gone from charming to memetastic. It's like the big bang theory of video games, focusing on low hanging fruit and nonsequitors. The only saving grace is what is admittedly a decent cyberpunk story in the 2nd game. 3 seems to be the same boat still...I have a feeling when I play it it will fall flat for me, guess we shall see.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 29, 2019 16:57:54 GMT
But we do know about the game. People are passing judgment on those things we know. Not giving the game "the benefit of the doubt" in this case is the acknowledgment that what has been shown is unappealing, and what can be extrapolated based solely on those elements is, similarly, disheartening. Nothing has been shown that would indicate otherwise. Giving the benefit of the doubt means assuming that things which they have made no reference to are going to be a part of the game. It's not, admittedly, very rational to assume things based on only small amounts of evidence, but it's even less rational to make assumptions based on none at all, isn't it? My response would be to point out that Bioware has outright said that “traditional Bioware story-telling” would be in the game. That’s some evidence. It isn’t enough for anyone to decide the game will be great, but it’s enough that I want to wait and see what form that storytelling will take. Don't mind me. Just going through the thread, looking at old posts. This one aged badly. Sorry, Heimdall.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 29, 2019 17:06:26 GMT
My response would be to point out that Bioware has outright said that “traditional Bioware story-telling” would be in the game. That’s some evidence. It isn’t enough for anyone to decide the game will be great, but it’s enough that I want to wait and see what form that storytelling will take. Don't mind me. Just going through the thread, looking at old posts. This one aged badly. Sorry, Heimdall. I liked the story we got in Anthem, so whatever.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 29, 2019 17:29:17 GMT
Don't mind me. Just going through the thread, looking at old posts. This one aged badly. Sorry, Heimdall. I liked the story we got in Anthem, so whatever. It isn't about whether you liked it or not. It's about whether that "classic Bioware story telling" made it into the game or not and whether that belief in the developer was justified. I am very happy to see that you are pleased, though, with the level of quality that Bioware provided you with in their product. Somebody else might have not.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 29, 2019 17:48:29 GMT
My response would be to point out that Bioware has outright said that “traditional Bioware story-telling” would be in the game. That’s some evidence. It isn’t enough for anyone to decide the game will be great, but it’s enough that I want to wait and see what form that storytelling will take. Don't mind me. Just going through the thread, looking at old posts. This one aged badly. Sorry, Heimdall. Well on the positive side at least I don’t have to worry about missing out on the (nonexistent) good story as I hate the game design.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 29, 2019 17:52:51 GMT
I liked the story we got in Anthem, so whatever. It isn't about whether you liked it or not. It's about whether that "classic Bioware story telling" made it into the game or not and whether that belief in the developer was justified. I am very happy to see that you are pleased, though, with the level of quality that Bioware provided you with in their product. Somebody else might have not. You claimed my response didn’t “age well” somehow, when all it actually says is that I was willing to wait and see what form the storytelling would take. If what Anthem didn’t deliver what some people fit into the rather nebulous definition of “classic BioWare storytelling”, so be it, that was always bound to be the case to some degree. It delivered a fun story in an interesting world with a cast of enjoyable characters and some ability to influence my character’s reaction to the world. That fits the definition for me.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 29, 2019 17:57:55 GMT
They are fun games though I wish you could customize your characters. You are stuck with short lady with lame hat if you want to play the robot summoner. Or old grey haired skinny dude if you want to play the assassin. Magic= women in the setting. To pretend it’s not the standard women’s are mages trope they are making the current mage have brawling magic. But if you want to have magic powers on your character and play a dude tough shit. Basically fixed protagonist issues though you have 4 choices for your fixed protagonist. It’s rpg enough that I’m not a fan of the fixed protagonist model. I totally roll with it in pure action adventure games like tomb raider or uncharted. But once it feels pseudo rpg I want more customization. Assassins creed has similar issues for me, I haven’t played the most recent one so I’m not sure how much you can customize him/her. Doesn't bother me all that much. Although that sounds like a weird design choice... I'll play whatever character is the explosives freak.
Just bought it. May not start playing this weekend though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 29, 2019 18:20:07 GMT
Don't mind me. Just going through the thread, looking at old posts. This one aged badly. Sorry, Heimdall. Well on the positive side at least I don’t have to worry about missing out on good story if I hate the game design. Regardless of who this product is targeted at, the developer ought to make good on their promises and not mislead the consumer. Whether you, I or Heimdall had any interest in the game is irrelevant. The developer ought to be held to a standard and they ought to be held accountable for their actions. Through the Minimum Viable Product (hereforth referred to as MVP) system, Bioware has provided a product that adheres to its promises, though just barely, and are therefore not liable to a lawsuit. Just because the MVP is in effect, though, does not necessarily mean that Bioware acted good on their promises, as evident by the game's reception by critics and the general gaming public alike.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 29, 2019 18:22:07 GMT
Well on the positive side at least I don’t have to worry about missing out on good story if I hate the game design. Regardless of who this product is targeted at, the developer ought to make good on their promises and not mislead the consumer. Whether you, I or Heimdall had any interest in the game is irrelevant. The developer ought to be held to a standard and they ought to be held accountable for their actions. Through the Minimum Viable Product (hereforth referred to as MVP) system, Bioware has provided a product that adheres to its promises, though just barely, and are therefore not liable to a lawsuit. Just because the MVP is in effect, though, does not necessarily mean that Bioware acted good on their promises, as evident by the game's reception by critics and the general gaming public alike. Yet the game is a typical bioware story with bioware style narrative beats. It's not barely at all its somewhat typical really. Whether that story is good or not is subjective.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 29, 2019 18:42:10 GMT
Regardless of who this product is targeted at, the developer ought to make good on their promises and not mislead the consumer. Whether you, I or Heimdall had any interest in the game is irrelevant. The developer ought to be held to a standard and they ought to be held accountable for their actions. Through the Minimum Viable Product (hereforth referred to as MVP) system, Bioware has provided a product that adheres to its promises, though just barely, and are therefore not liable to a lawsuit. Just because the MVP is in effect, though, does not necessarily mean that Bioware acted good on their promises, as evident by the game's reception by critics and the general gaming public alike. Yet the game is a typical bioware story with bioware style narrative beats. It's not barely at all its somewhat typical really. Whether that story is good or not is subjective. I would disagree with you on that. In most every Bioware game, you have the chance to influence the way the story unfolds and/or the NPCs that accompany you. You have no control over either of those in Anthem, everything progresses in a set fashion and at most, you can make a dialogue choice that lets you skip further dialogue with a certain NPC. The amount of interactivity with the story elements of the game, is non-existant. And that does tie into the ability of some to enjoy the "classic" Bioware story. To some, that interactivity is what makes it good.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 29, 2019 18:42:47 GMT
It isn't about whether you liked it or not. It's about whether that "classic Bioware story telling" made it into the game or not and whether that belief in the developer was justified. I am very happy to see that you are pleased, though, with the level of quality that Bioware provided you with in their product. Somebody else might have not. You claimed my response didn’t “age well” somehow, when all it actually says is that I was willing to wait and see what form the storytelling would take. If what Anthem didn’t deliver what some people fit into the rather nebulous definition of “classic BioWare storytelling”, so be it, that was always bound to be the case to some degree. It delivered a fun story in an interesting world with a cast of enjoyable characters and some ability to influence my character’s reaction to the world. That fits the definition for me. You are taking this as a personal assault. I did not make that comment as a reason to ridicule you or any other member of this board. Call it unfortunate, if you will. I am not criticizing you, specifically. You have every right to like what you want and whatever you feel like fits your definition is fine. But as you said, that fits for you.
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Post by bladefist on Mar 29, 2019 20:44:15 GMT
Anthem tearing these guys down. One day they're posting about completing the grindiest of challenges. Next day, they're done!
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2019 21:03:09 GMT
You claimed my response didn’t “age well” somehow, when all it actually says is that I was willing to wait and see what form the storytelling would take. If what Anthem didn’t deliver what some people fit into the rather nebulous definition of “classic BioWare storytelling”, so be it, that was always bound to be the case to some degree. It delivered a fun story in an interesting world with a cast of enjoyable characters and some ability to influence my character’s reaction to the world. That fits the definition for me. You are taking this as a personal assault. I did not make that comment as a reason to ridicule you or any other member of this board. Call it unfortunate, if you will. I am not criticizing you, specifically. You have every right to like what you want and whatever you feel like fits your definition is fine. But as you said, that fits for you. But you did claim that his statement didn't work, and he's standing by that statement. No sense pretending there's no substantive dispute here.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 29, 2019 21:27:53 GMT
You are taking this as a personal assault. I did not make that comment as a reason to ridicule you or any other member of this board. Call it unfortunate, if you will. I am not criticizing you, specifically. You have every right to like what you want and whatever you feel like fits your definition is fine. But as you said, that fits for you. But you did claim that his statement didn't work, and he's standing by that statement. No sense pretending there's no substantive dispute here. Regardless of his subjective, personal opinion, which he is free to speak at any point in time and to whoever he pleases to, I'd say the reality of a now 59 metacritic average score on PC, disproves Bioware's claim on an objective level. It is not Heimdall's fault that he believed that claim at the time, nor do I choose to persecute him for subjective taste in enjoying it. I am more than hopeful that he got his full $60 worth of fun from Anthem and to continue to do so. The notion that I intently chose to ridicule Heimdall is to me abhorrent and if Heimdall feels that way, I am truly sorry for whatever grief I have caused you in doing so, that was neither my point, nor my intent. My point is that, regardless of Heimdall's appreciation of the story elements in the game, the vast majority of gaming critics judged Anthem's narrative to be as unpolished as the world the Shapers left behind them and vastly inferior to what Bioware has us accustomed to. It is a notion that I myself share, I won't shy away from it, but I would also like to point out that shying away from criticism does neither us, the consumers, nor Bioware as a developer, nor other EA employees any good.
I would also like to ask Heimdall if he has any criticisms of the story, however big or small, in his opinion, that he would like to express, or even to say if he found it to be a perfect 10/10 story for him.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 29, 2019 22:10:38 GMT
It isn't about whether you liked it or not. It's about whether that "classic Bioware story telling" made it into the game or not and whether that belief in the developer was justified. I am very happy to see that you are pleased, though, with the level of quality that Bioware provided you with in their product. Somebody else might have not. You claimed my response didn’t “age well” somehow, when all it actually says is that I was willing to wait and see what form the storytelling would take. If what Anthem didn’t deliver what some people fit into the rather nebulous definition of “classic BioWare storytelling”, so be it, that was always bound to be the case to some degree. It delivered a fun story in an interesting world with a cast of enjoyable characters and some ability to influence my character’s reaction to the world. That fits the definition for me. so uhm I am going to promise you a traditional steakhouse burger but I present you with a macdonald's double cheeseburger instead. You are ok with it because, you know, they are both beef so it fits the definition? Come the fuck on
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 29, 2019 23:32:18 GMT
You claimed my response didn’t “age well” somehow, when all it actually says is that I was willing to wait and see what form the storytelling would take. If what Anthem didn’t deliver what some people fit into the rather nebulous definition of “classic BioWare storytelling”, so be it, that was always bound to be the case to some degree. It delivered a fun story in an interesting world with a cast of enjoyable characters and some ability to influence my character’s reaction to the world. That fits the definition for me. so uhm I am going to promise you a traditional steakhouse burger but I present you with a macdonald's double cheeseburger instead. You are ok with it because, you know, they are both beef so it fits the definition? Come the fuck on Come the fuck on is precisely the right response to someone making inaccurate comparisons. Look, I’ve been listening to people declare that “classic BioWare” is dead since the original Mass Effect. The only things BioWare has always stuck to is a focus on story and characters, which they have held to here. I’ve never really had much patience for that “true BioWare” nonsense.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 29, 2019 23:56:22 GMT
One thing I'm grateful for in Anthem is the case study in people being unable to admit that they were wrong and others were right. Of course there are isolated exceptions but by and large people are sticking to their guns which is hilarious to watch.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 29, 2019 23:59:34 GMT
They are fun games though I wish you could customize your characters. You are stuck with short lady with lame hat if you want to play the robot summoner. Or old grey haired skinny dude if you want to play the assassin. Magic= women in the setting. To pretend it’s not the standard women’s are mages trope they are making the current mage have brawling magic. But if you want to have magic powers on your character and play a dude tough shit. Basically fixed protagonist issues though you have 4 choices for your fixed protagonist. It’s rpg enough that I’m not a fan of the fixed protagonist model. I totally roll with it in pure action adventure games like tomb raider or uncharted. But once it feels pseudo rpg I want more customization. Assassins creed has similar issues for me, I haven’t played the most recent one so I’m not sure how much you can customize him/her. I cannot stand the humor of it anymore. It has gone from charming to memetastic. It's like the big bang theory of video games, focusing on low hanging fruit and nonsequitors. The only saving grace is what is admittedly a decent cyberpunk story in the 2nd game. 3 seems to be the same boat still...I have a feeling when I play it it will fall flat for me, guess we shall see. Valid issue. It’s definitely a humor I have to be in the mood for. It’s a blowing off steam game I think which makes it fun after a long slog at work. I only played 2 in depth so I never beat the humor to death or anything. I suspect it will wear thin in 3.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 30, 2019 0:17:23 GMT
so uhm I am going to promise you a traditional steakhouse burger but I present you with a macdonald's double cheeseburger instead. You are ok with it because, you know, they are both beef so it fits the definition? Come the fuck on Come the fuck on is precisely the right response to someone making inaccurate comparisons. Look, I’ve been listening to people declare that “classic BioWare” is dead since the original Mass Effect. The only things BioWare has always stuck to is a focus on story and characters, which they have held to here. I’ve never really had much patience for that “true BioWare” nonsense. and the story is abysmal and there is proof of it being hacked into pieces and stitched back together poorly. The characters have been analyzed at length and generally laughed at or just met with general dislike by most. The vast majority of reviewers, content creators and fans comes to the consensus that yeah this is WAY subpar for a Bioware game. So again how EXACTLY is my comparison flawed?
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Post by Gya on Mar 30, 2019 1:22:08 GMT
One thing I'm grateful for in Anthem is the case study in people being unable to admit that they were wrong and others were right. Of course there are isolated exceptions but by and large people are sticking to their guns which is hilarious to watch. Sunk cost fallacy is a big part of this. But also, I think it's a bit more complex than the game just being totally awful, and that speaks to the general lack of nuance in a lot of online discussion. Either you love the game and everyone who dislikes it is HITLER on steroids, or the game is LITERALLY worse than dying of AIDS while getting paper cuts on your penis. I'm a filthy heathen who likes this game for the potential the combat promises, but that isn't enough on its own, and I'm more than aware of the myriad flaws. I'm only willing to waste so much time while biower continue to fuck up constantly and refuse to address the biggest issues. Shit MW/legendary drop rates and fuckwitted RNG inscriptions are not a good combination. This, along with the lack of endgame content is not a good look. Promising free future content is great I'm sure, but people are getting bored and leaving. And how many will come back for the much vaunted cataclysm, when biower already confirmed on reddit that there are no new enemy types. So I guess we can expect a skybox colour change, more lightning, and a portal shitting out titans. Cool. For now, I'll admit to enjoying the damn thing, and I still have some faint hope that the new content might be interesting and biower will get their shit together with the loot fiasco. I guess that's the gaming equivalent of admitting to liking the Michael Bay Transformers films, or sniffing glue (ie subtract 20 IQ points).
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 30, 2019 1:35:49 GMT
One thing I'm grateful for in Anthem is the case study in people being unable to admit that they were wrong and others were right. Of course there are isolated exceptions but by and large people are sticking to their guns which is hilarious to watch. That's because all of you keep feeding off of the controversy. It's all the gaming community seems to thrive on anymore. Finding an enemy to hate on and cannibalizing your own to fuel that desire. It's...tiring honestly.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 30, 2019 3:21:56 GMT
One thing I'm grateful for in Anthem is the case study in people being unable to admit that they were wrong and others were right. Of course there are isolated exceptions but by and large people are sticking to their guns which is hilarious to watch. That's because all of you keep feeding off of the controversy. It's all the gaming community seems to thrive on anymore. Finding an enemy to hate on and cannibalizing your own to fuel that desire. It's...tiring honestly. False. We find it incredible and distressing that the world has sunk to this new low. It is like Padme Amidala going to Palpatine's coronation, on a Groundhog Day loop. I am decidedly not cannibalizing my own. I wouldn't eat any of you. Also, I am not a "gamer". That is a lame ass label like any other. I do not care about this "group", I care about playing a good game that is so much fun I want to come here and talk about it, and have passionate arguments with "my own", people that like the same game as me and have a different interpretation of X bit of lore, or Y bit of strategy. I didn't look for anyone to hate, but they present themselves consistently for hating. Instead they get a range of "meh" to incredulity. I don't choose to not hate an idiot after reading his/her idiotic post, I do what comes naturally and call out the idiot for being an idiot. That was a really sad story, just not a true one. It sure does sound like gaming journalism though.
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