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Post by General Mahad on Feb 11, 2020 8:16:26 GMT
A better decision would have been to never make an online only looter that pales in comparison with all previous works in gameplay, story, characters, setting, and music.
No Man’s Sky got a redemption arc because Hello Games didn’t have the EA Axe hanging over their heads and it took them three years of expansion packs to make the game pretty good. Plus Sean Murray didn’t call fans toxic and got his team to go quietly back to work fixing the game.
You think BioWare will be as lucky and insightful?
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 11, 2020 8:51:32 GMT
Fully reworking Anthem would require a full team, ideally one that's familiar with its spaghetti code unless they want to redo huge sections of code from scratch. If it's the same poor bastards who got saddled with this product after the A team moved on to greater glory, then all they can feasibly do is data manipulations - changing weapons stats, enemy stats, drop chances, encounter mechanics etc. They could add more boss fights based on recoloured existing models with different stats and their own drop tables. They could add ways of rerolling inscriptions and such. That's all quite possible.
The game's base content however will very likely remain the same.
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Post by jclosed on Feb 11, 2020 8:58:34 GMT
Well - "2.0" is on the way...
It only makes me 2.0 times more certain I won't buy that stuff.
If this will be a turn-around for the game and company? I have my doubts. The name Anthem has no positive vibe for the majority of gamers at this moment. Most of the people that was playing the game in the beginning already have moved to greener pastures, and it's not very likely they will return.
I don't know if they want any payment for the new version from the present players, but if that's the case I guess they won't get very much positive reactions. But even if it's free they must make a hell of a good game to turn around the negative tide. And to be honest - I personally think that Anthem 2.0 will not be that massive overhaul that's needed to make the game at least somewhat attractive (for those that like multiplayer). My prediction is that they will "beautify" the stuff that's already there, but leave the big part of the core design stuff intact. And that will be the second failure of Anthem. Yep - I am maybe skeptical and negative (as expected in this thread), but I am afraid my predictions will turn out to be true (just like my previous predictions).
Anyway - I still keep saying that this multiplayer stuff simply is not what I, and a lot of other Bioware game lovers with me, wanted to see. Even if they do that massive overhaul I simply am not interested, because I don't like multiplayer stuff. I still feel salty because Mass Effect Andromeda could have been so much better, if they concentrated on that game in stead of putting so much resources in the disaster that's called Anthem.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 11, 2020 11:32:24 GMT
Anthem is like a train heading for the ravine derailing. Everybody knows it but it's moving already so they stick with it for a while and jump off at some point before the disaster.
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Post by tatann on Feb 11, 2020 11:33:43 GMT
Feels like they're digging their own grave I hope this obsession will push good employees to join other studios so we can at least get good SP games from them I just hope the ones responsible (Gamble, "can't remember the name of the one that already left in August", etc...) will stay at EA or at least not join good AA studios
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Post by Coronavirus on Feb 11, 2020 11:47:20 GMT
I had a nightmare once that somebody bought me Anthem for my birthday. Scared the shit out of me.
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 11, 2020 12:03:52 GMT
Fully reworking Anthem would require a full team, ideally one that's familiar with its spaghetti code unless they want to redo huge sections of code from scratch. If it's the same poor bastards who got saddled with this product after the A team moved on to greater glory, then all they can feasibly do is data manipulations - changing weapons stats, enemy stats, drop chances, encounter mechanics etc. They could add more boss fights based on recoloured existing models with different stats and their own drop tables. They could add ways of rerolling inscriptions and such. That's all quite possible. The game's base content however will very likely remain the same. They have to redo huge sections of code from scratch, this is why they gave up on incremental changes and went for a complete rewrite of some systems.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 11, 2020 12:28:19 GMT
Fully reworking Anthem would require a full team, ideally one that's familiar with its spaghetti code unless they want to redo huge sections of code from scratch. If it's the same poor bastards who got saddled with this product after the A team moved on to greater glory, then all they can feasibly do is data manipulations - changing weapons stats, enemy stats, drop chances, encounter mechanics etc. They could add more boss fights based on recoloured existing models with different stats and their own drop tables. They could add ways of rerolling inscriptions and such. That's all quite possible. The game's base content however will very likely remain the same. They have to redo huge sections of code from scratch, this is why they gave up on incremental changes and went for a complete rewrite of some systems. Sounds more like they are ditching the current game and go on to work on a completely new one. Which will have to be bought separately. It fits pretty well. EA made a killing this Christmas for BF2 by selling old content (some of it 2 years old) for 30 extra bucks. So selling the same game in a newer package makes so much sense for them right now.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 11, 2020 13:11:01 GMT
So, do we add "text chat" along with "hair" and "open world" as the things Bioware can't do even if their lives depended on it? Don't forget about being transparent, or managing a community for an online multiplayer game And day/night cycles. Or did they do that?
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 11, 2020 13:30:55 GMT
Don't forget about being transparent, or managing a community for an online multiplayer game And day/night cycles. Or did they do that? Minor feature. I think it's more concerning to hear they are concentrating on gameplay. The original outset was to combine gameplay and storytelling to something new. Story bits used to be Bioware forte.
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your monthly amusing video, related to this
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Feb 11, 2020 13:56:14 GMT
I don't think Bioware to be seen to be as filled with hubris as Blizzard though Random fan: Have you thought about having servers for previous expansions as they were back then?Blizzard: Noooo. And you don't want that. You think you do, but you don't. *Classic WoW is released and doubles/triples the number or WoW subscriptions.* Good job Brack. Real good job. was I not right? Did you not see Casey's amazing letter/blog post? It is ALMOST as idiotic as "you did not like the ending to ME3 because you did not understand it" We asked you for a better fucking story and Bioware-games features like companions and romances And you wanna focus on loot and gameplay only Great! ME3 devalued ME2 (plot-wise) and its multiplayer success paved the way for the shitshow that is called Anthem.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 11, 2020 14:12:01 GMT
Most companies had that minor feature working decades ago, at this point. Morrowind and Warcraft 3 had it since 2002. And it made sense to have it in games like Dragon Age and even more so in Anthem. You see, little details pile up, to the point of massing into glaring issues that can't be ignored, eventually. You have to go one step above, to do things that other studios don't notice. That doesn't mean having a horse that takes a dump on camera, nor one whose testicles shrink in the cold (wtf Rockstar???), but details.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 11, 2020 14:26:47 GMT
Most companies had that minor feature working decades ago, at this point. Morrowind and Warcraft 3 had it since 2002. And it made sense to have it in games like Dragon Age and even more so in Anthem. You see, little details pile up, to the point of massing into glaring issues that can't be ignored, eventually. You have to go one step above, to do things that other studios don't notice. That doesn't mean having a horse that takes a dump on camera, nor one whose testicles shrink in the cold (wtf Rockstar???), but details. I don't think ticking checkboxes of features present or not is any good for determining quality. I go with gameplay and story-telling and UI.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 11, 2020 14:31:44 GMT
I don't think ticking checkboxes of features present or not is any good for determining quality. I go with gameplay and story-telling and UI. But that's the baseline. It's attention to detail which elevates games above the baseline. And yes, that could innfluece gameplay, the story and/or the UI. It doesn't have to just be visual.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 11, 2020 14:32:47 GMT
The responses to this blogpost that I’ve seen are oddly and baselessly optimistic.
The point of Casey’s post is to say that the seasonal content they previously promised is cancelled. Just like the roadmap they previously promised then cancelled. Yes, the excuse for scrapping more promised features is working on more structural changes to the game, but they’ve been saying that pretty much all along. At bottom, the announcement reveals reduced support for the game, not increased.
People seem to be reading this alongside the Kotaku article as confirmation that a larger rework is in progress. Maybe, but it’s not really news that BioWare has at least some people reevaluating the game’s framework. We still have zero info on the scope of the rework or the details after almost a year now, and there’s nothing to suggest it will meaningfully improve the game. Why anyone would give BioWare the benefit of doubt at this point is beyond me.
I’ll also gently remind everyone that DA4 is entering production right now, a new ME is also in the works, and current BioWare has proven completely incapable of juggling multiple projects at once, especially in genres in which they have no experience.
Finally, they’re not even pretending they’re working on fixing the laughably bad campaign, so this news really only applies to those who are looking for more looter/shooter stuff. Those hoping for more classic BioWare elements can safely just move on at this point.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 11, 2020 16:52:03 GMT
The responses to this blogpost that I’ve seen are oddly and baselessly optimistic. The point of Casey’s post is to say that the seasonal content they previously promised is cancelled. Just like the roadmap they previously promised then cancelled. Yes, the excuse for scrapping more promised features is working on more structural changes to the game, but they’ve been saying that pretty much all along. At bottom, the announcement reveals reduced support for the game, not increased. People seem to be reading this alongside the Kotaku article as confirmation that a larger rework is in progress. Maybe, but it’s not really news that BioWare has at least some people reevaluating the game’s framework. We still have zero info on the scope of the rework or the details after almost a year now, and there’s nothing to suggest it will meaningfully improve the game. Why anyone would give BioWare the benefit of doubt at this point is beyond me. I’ll also gently remind everyone that DA4 is entering production right now, a new ME is also in the works, and current BioWare has proven completely incapable of juggling multiple projects at once, especially in genres in which they have no experience. Finally, they’re not even pretending they’re working on fixing the laughably bad campaign, so this news really only applies to those who are looking for more looter/shooter stuff. Those hoping for more classic BioWare elements can safely just move on at this point. Pretty much. "We're listening." Marketingsprech. Loot system was already up for review after they "listened" some time back. Not much happened. There is quite a lot of listening, actually. I guess it's a lot of going in left and existing to the right without much happening in the middle.
*deflating balloon noise*
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Post by saandrig on Feb 11, 2020 16:54:05 GMT
The responses to this blogpost that I’ve seen are oddly and baselessly optimistic. The point of Casey’s post is to say that the seasonal content they previously promised is cancelled. Just like the roadmap they previously promised then cancelled. Yes, the excuse for scrapping more promised features is working on more structural changes to the game, but they’ve been saying that pretty much all along. At bottom, the announcement reveals reduced support for the game, not increased. People seem to be reading this alongside the Kotaku article as confirmation that a larger rework is in progress. Maybe, but it’s not really news that BioWare has at least some people reevaluating the game’s framework. We still have zero info on the scope of the rework or the details after almost a year now, and there’s nothing to suggest it will meaningfully improve the game. Why anyone would give BioWare the benefit of doubt at this point is beyond me. I’ll also gently remind everyone that DA4 is entering production right now, a new ME is also in the works, and current BioWare has proven completely incapable of juggling multiple projects at once, especially in genres in which they have no experience. Finally, they’re not even pretending they’re working on fixing the laughably bad campaign, so this news really only applies to those who are looking for more looter/shooter stuff. Those hoping for more classic BioWare elements can safely just move on at this point. This is the saddest thing about all this. Bioware outright says (with very little reading between the lines needed) in this blogpost that they no longer care for the game since it's a fail, will not patch it extensively, won't make an expansion for it and have completely different plans going forward, but haven't even started to work on them yet and have no clue if it will even happen... And yet somehow people are once again happy and chanting "Anthem is going to recover". Just like they did when the infamous Day 1 patch was announced. Just like they did when the Road map released. Just like they did when the Shaper storm Cataclysm was announced for April, May, July. Just like they did when Seasons were announced to be the best thing since sliced bread (canceled now, duh). I wonder how many more blows some people can turn into a positive and completely forget after a few months.
Ffs, it's pretty much the same message Bioware has been releasing since the game launch - "we are listening, we are working". Just this time it's even clearer how nothing will be ever fixed and everyone should just hope for Anthem 2 for which you will have to pay full price once again.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 11, 2020 17:02:12 GMT
was I not right? Did you not see Casey's amazing letter/blog post? It is ALMOST as idiotic as "you did not like the ending to ME3 because you did not understand it" We asked you for a better fucking story and Bioware-games features like companions and romances And you wanna focus on loot and gameplay only Great! ME3 devalued ME2 (plot-wise) and its multiplayer success paved the way for the shitshow that is called Anthem. and EA wanted their Destiny clone which did not fucking help Hopefully after the success of Fallen Order EA wakes the fuck up to smell the coffee
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 11, 2020 17:04:09 GMT
everyone should just hope for Anthem 2 for which you will have to pay full price once again. I pretty much agree with the rest of your post but this would be the stupidest move they could possibly make. There is no way BW will try to re-sell an Anthem 2.0 to those people who already own the game. Especially if DA4 is scheduled for some time 2021, they could ill afford another shitstorm and if they tried that, they'd get one of biblical proportions.I grant you that BW has made their fair share of stupid decisions lately but that one would still be too much, even for them.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 11, 2020 17:08:04 GMT
everyone should just hope for Anthem 2 for which you will have to pay full price once again. I pretty much agree with the rest of your post but this would be the stupidest move they could possibly make. There is no way BW will try to re-sell an Anthem 2.0 to those people who already own the game. Especially if DA4 is scheduled for some time 2021, they could ill afford another shitstorm and if they tried that, they'd get one of biblical proportions.I grant you that BW has made their fair share of stupid decisions lately but that one would still be too much, even for them.
Oh, I agree it will be a shitstorm of biblical proportions. Which is why I think we will not see Anthem 2 for at least 2-3 years from now. So they have both the time to work on it and a good excuse to sell it again.
PS. As I said earlier, EA made a surprisingly good amount of money selling a "Celebration Edition" of BF2 for 30 extra bucks... And the content is the same one that was already in the game for years, but you just don't need to grind for it anymore... Almost no one made a fuss. I can totally see them pulling something similar with Anthem.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 11, 2020 17:33:18 GMT
I pretty much agree with the rest of your post but this would be the stupidest move they could possibly make. There is no way BW will try to re-sell an Anthem 2.0 to those people who already own the game. Especially if DA4 is scheduled for some time 2021, they could ill afford another shitstorm and if they tried that, they'd get one of biblical proportions.I grant you that BW has made their fair share of stupid decisions lately but that one would still be too much, even for them.
Oh, I agree it will be a shitstorm of biblical proportions. Which is why I think we will not see Anthem 2 for at least 2-3 years from now. So they have both the time to work on it and a good excuse to sell it again.
PS. As I said earlier, EA made a surprisingly good amount of money selling a "Celebration Edition" of BF2 for 30 extra bucks... And the content is the same one that was already in the game for years, but you just don't need to grind for it anymore... Almost no one made a fuss. I can totally see them pulling something similar with Anthem.
Ah, now I see, you interpret the blocg post as basically saying "Anthem is dead, we are now starting to work on Anthem 2 and this may take years".
Fair enough, I can see how one might interpret it this way. However, I don't think that's what it says. He is talking about a timeframe of "the coming months" and he is talking about running "the current version" of Anthem, which oes imply that they want to revise that version with another one, rather than just making a completely new game.
However, I grant you, it isn't clear and it might again be just misleading marketing speak (something BW git really good at). Let's wait and see. Either way, I am not really invested enough in Anthem to really care that much but I am curious to see how BW will move on with this clusterfuck they have created for themselves.
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Post by tatann on Feb 11, 2020 17:52:53 GMT
Don't forget about being transparent, or managing a community for an online multiplayer game And day/night cycles. Or did they do that? Day/night cycles are useful for open worlds, I'd prefer Bioware to stay away from it. But yeah, it was missing in MEA (and I guess DAI ?), it could have brought some great sunsets... I freakin love sunsets, I bought my house just to enjoy sunsets everyday
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 11, 2020 18:00:27 GMT
I freakin love sunsets, I bought my house just to enjoy sunsets everyday My dad moved out to the countryside and has a very nice view of a sunset. Enjoys it daily with my mom. Or nightly, depends how you look at it. Yeah, I'm gonna have to secure that for myself. But I can't do what my dad did, yet.
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