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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 24, 2021 23:56:40 GMT
I can understand BioWare's decision and I endorse it. I got my money's worth from the game over many many hours, but it required huge forgiveness at launch for its shitty condition and whilst the traversal and Javlins were awesome there was ultimately little to do in the game but replay a dozen levels and grind endlessly. I haven't played for 16 months and don't get the urge to jump back in that I still do with MEMP. On this occasion the Skepticism thread called it right, Anthem was not firing on all thrusters from the start. Though ceasing development on any game project is bitter-sweet.
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Post by Lorn on Feb 25, 2021 2:08:26 GMT
Didn't stop you all from infesting all the other threads like a pestilence. I largely stayed out of the Anthem threads except the skepticism thread. It was easy since I never got the game, you see. Hell I hang out in the Star Wars thread more than anywhere else now. The place has gotten so toxic towards anyone remotely critical of BioWare. Yes, the Cult of BioWare has all ready driven numerous people away. Some of us just like to show up for some good ol' schadenfreude every now and again.
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 2:33:04 GMT
Too much more of this talk and Your Anthem might make a passive aggressive comment in his video strawmanning some of your points I can't stand that channel. That dude is such an EA shill... afraid to lose his "Game changer" (lol), status with EA. Absolute garbage videos. From the videos I've seen, a large chunk is him reading stuff you could read yourself, another large chunk is him passive aggressively lashing out at criticism of his beloved game, and another large chunk is random speculation/feelings/baseless optimism. It's a very low quality channel for people wanting actual anthem news and analysis.
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 2:35:23 GMT
Lol I was thinking about posting this myself. All those who called us haters, and that BW could do no wrong, even after what happened to Andromeda. It feels good to be right. Right about what? People who like the game won't get updates anymore and you're celebrating? It's a sad day, but considering not even Battlefront 2 is getting updates anymore and that's actually a pretty damn successful game now ... I'm like what chance did Anthem have Same publisher and all
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 2:43:03 GMT
I can understand BioWare's decision and I endorse it. I got my money's worth from the game over many many hours, but it required huge forgiveness at launch for its shitty condition and whilst the traversal and Javlins were awesome there was ultimately little to do in the game but replay a dozen levels and grind endlessly. I haven't played for 16 months and don't get the urge to jump back in that I still do with MEMP. On this occasion the Skepticism thread called it right, Anthem was not firing on all thrusters from the start. Though ceasing development on any game project is bitter-sweet. Cynical gamers of the world unite ... Who am I kidding, we've just been burnt before and could see the signs. No happiness in it. One example, I was hard on EA Gamechangers for not providing a good service for the fans and instead allowing themselves to be used as shameless advertising. This is not to say that I hate Gamechangers. When gamers found out that the gaming media weren't addressing THEM they decided to make their own media and what I saw was EA using gamers own media against them to sway opinions. Using their own community in shameless ways. I called it out then and I'll continue to call it out in the future. Hopefully people will be more wary of Gamechangers opinions and videos in the future even though these people are community members.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 25, 2021 2:47:47 GMT
Hopefully people will be more wary of Gamechangers opinions and videos in the future even though these people are community members. Most 'community influencers' I see aren't trying to sell the games but they are getting caught up in the hype as it's perhaps understandable that if you are given access, then you share it to promote your own channel. I know some of the 'gamechangers' fairly well and I find them honest and genuine people.
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 2:55:40 GMT
Hopefully people will be more wary of Gamechangers opinions and videos in the future even though these people are community members. Most 'community influencers' I see aren't trying to sell the games but they are getting caught up in the hype as it's perhaps understandable that if you are given access, then you share it to promote your own channel. I know some of the 'gamechangers' fairly well and I find them honest and genuine people. They were shown a deliberately hype inducing part of the gameplay to some of the most passionate members of the community and EA then allowed the excited members of the community to spread that hype at a grassroots level around the world. It's nicely done of EA ... and by nicely I mean sleezily of course because any attacks on that hype wouldn't be attacking a greedy corporate organisation known for overhyped marketing, but would instead be attacking the integrity of passionate members of the community. And THAT'S what I don't like.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 25, 2021 3:04:46 GMT
And THAT'S what I don't like. I get that. For me, the behaviour isn't total machiavellian corporate manipulation, but it does 'use' enthusiasts as part of the marketing push, which for an excellent game would be fine. Where there are game issues it can be problematic. Heck, I have a 'freebie' Anthem T-shirt somewhere, but that of itself didn't alter my perception of the game.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 25, 2021 7:51:58 GMT
I don't feel good that the game failed. It has sucked seeing BW fail again and again. But it definitely feels good to be right over people on this forum who constantly calls me a hater because I don't like what BW are doing with their games. All I see are people insulting me for liking Anthem and Andromeda but time and time again, Bioware cares for more of you guys then people like me. Maybe I'm just seeing Bioware wrong considering I've loved games that people say it's "wrong" to like. But I guess you guys can bask in your "victory" because to be honest everybody lost here. People who wanted to give the game a chance will not get a promised update and people who are skeptical will see it as a waste of time. I always said that there are two outcomes. Everyone wins (Anthem is good) or everyone loses (Anthem is trash).
I never insulted anyone for liking Andromeda (I find it an ok game) or Anthem. But I always argued for people to see through Bioware's PR bullshit. I've had enough of it with SWTOR and could see the same patterns from the start after Anthem launched.
And I definitely was insulted (openly and covertly) by Anthem/Bioware fans people here and elsewhere for saying the Road Map is just smoke and mirrors, the rumors for new motion capturing are just that - rumors, Shaper storms Cataclysm will be nothing like in the E3 2017, the game will cease content updates once it's 1-year contractual obligations with Sony and Microsoft are up (I was wrong, it ceased them about 6 months after launch), etc. Those were all realistic predictions based on what news we received and how EA is known to operate.
And boy, what vitriol there was when I told people the game is effectively abandoned near the end of 2019. "No, they are doing FF XIV overhaul, they are doing Anthem Next, it's Anthem 2.0 in the works, they got thousands, hundreds, ten people on it!".
Two weeks after Anthem launched I said the game would be lucky to last even two years (as we saw, it lasted 6 months), can't be salvaged and the only way to improve it is to create Anthem 2 as a brand new game. I also said EA doesn't do that, so Anthem will be abandoned sooner rather than later. But I was a "hater" apparently... And no, I don't consider it a victory. Just speaking common sense and hoping at least some people learn a lesson.
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 8:12:49 GMT
BTW I love how this news was broken quickly and professionally to the fans, probably because if they didn't Jason would have leaked it in a couple of days
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 25, 2021 9:02:15 GMT
And THAT'S what I don't like. I get that. For me, the behaviour isn't total machiavellian corporate manipulation, but it does 'use' enthusiasts as part of the marketing push, which for an excellent game would be fine. Where there are game issues it can be problematic. Heck, I have a 'freebie' Anthem T-shirt somewhere, but that of itself didn't alter my perception of the game. It's covert advertisement. Other media have regulations about product placement in movies and TV shows in place. Everyone with half a brain knows it. It's not only EA trying to coast regulation which isnt fit for this kind of covert advertising because it's fairly new. Others do it as well. EA just has the cheek to call it "gamechangers".
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 25, 2021 12:29:22 GMT
And Bioware have said that Anthem will include traditional Biowarestyle characters and storytelling. Of course these statements are consistently ignored by by those with an agenda.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 25, 2021 17:58:29 GMT
So, this thread can be closed, right? 'Cause I mean, skepticism requires by definition that we don't know yet. Ok, enough of the cynical humor. This comes a little bit as a surprise, given that they made it appear that they were still trying. But honestly, it's not an unwelcome one as far as I am concerned. I realize Anthem has its community and I am sorry for those who were hoping to keep playing it and that it would be improved. To some extent, I am sorry as well, Anthem had potential, the core gameplay with the flying and the fast paced, movement-oriented TPS combat was actually really fun and I did enjoy my time with the campaign 9though I never got into the MP part of it really). However, I think it's weaknesses were too numerous and too deep within the game's structure to really be fixed in a satisfactory way. Better to make a clean cut at some point and spend resources on more successful projects for us player to have fun with. On a selfish note, I am also a little glad to see BioWare fall on its nose with the idea of an MP/Coop BioWare game (for the second time, I might add, Shadow Realms was the first). This is not Schadenfreude. It's more that I (admittedly rather selfishly) hope that BioWare realizes that had already found their niche with high quality cinematic character- and story-driven single player RPGs. It's what they are known for, it's what they do best and it's something that has a well defined target audience which is usually starved for content. After all, how many studios actually make games like that on that level of quality? I can only think of three others, CD Projekt RED, Spiders and Obsidian and two of those are more in the AA market (though we'll see if Obisdian can up their game, now that they have Microsoft money). That's not a lot. There is a reason why the good but not great Greedfall sold extremely well. It's because players who like these kinds of games are starved for content. Sure, these kinds of games are probably very expensive to makes for a limited core audience and the profit margins may not be as high as MP games but they do occupy a very solid niche and I hope BW realized through this disaster that this niche has some value. That doesn't mean they shouldn't innovate at all but maybe think through what new ideas really complement their core strengths. After all, in the MP Coop loot-shooter market, there are dozens of studios competing for a slice of the cake, many with much more experience by now and some even within the EA family itself. Hopefully BioWare, or maybe even more EA, will realize that not every game needs to be MP and that not every studio needs to (or can) create the next super cash cow. If that were the case (and befitting this thread, I do remain skeptical on that), at least the Anthem tragedy would serve some purpose in my book.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 25, 2021 21:14:53 GMT
I propose that anyone who disagreed with the skeptics about factual issues with the game be branded with some sort of scarlet avatar.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 25, 2021 22:49:42 GMT
Can’t say i’m Not relieved that their experiment away from sp, away from companions and away from rpg story choice is gone.
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Post by xrayspex73 on Feb 26, 2021 2:36:31 GMT
I am skeptical that Anthem 2.0/Next will ever come out. At this point it makes little sense.
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Post by fuchsteufelswild on Feb 28, 2021 16:41:55 GMT
I propose that anyone who disagreed with the skeptics about factual issues with the game be branded with some sort of scarlet avatar. Can't recall ever being called a skeptic to be honest. "Hater" on the other hand, was thrown around just as often as "fanboy" or some such. But for old times sake... Did someone say Anthem Axed yet?
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Post by DoctorDAM on Mar 2, 2021 12:37:30 GMT
I got my money's worth from the game over many many hours, but it required huge forgiveness at launch for its shitty condition and whilst the traversal and Javlins were awesome there was ultimately little to do in the game but replay a dozen levels and grind endlessly. I haven't played for 16 months and don't get the urge to jump back in that I still do with MEMP. Just jumped in here to say I entirely agree with both above statements. Well, Open demo aside, I waited for over a year before giving them my hard earned $5 (LOL) to play the game. By which the bugs had been worked out. No regrets.
What more caught me is the, irony is it?, of the last two sentences. Bored of Anthem because of endless repeating gameplay and grind, yet loves MEMP. Which is endless repeat of 13+6 maps and manifest/challenge point grind. And yet I feel exactly the same way!
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 2, 2021 12:48:42 GMT
I got my money's worth from the game over many many hours, but it required huge forgiveness at launch for its shitty condition and whilst the traversal and Javlins were awesome there was ultimately little to do in the game but replay a dozen levels and grind endlessly. I haven't played for 16 months and don't get the urge to jump back in that I still do with MEMP. Just jumped in here to say I entirely agree with both above statements. Well, Open demo aside, I waited for over a year before giving them my hard earned $5 (LOL) to play the game. By which the bugs had been worked out. No regrets.
What more caught me is the, irony is it?, of the last two sentences. Bored of Anthem because of endless repeating gameplay and grind, yet loves MEMP. Which is endless repeat of 13+6 maps and manifest/challenge point grind. And yet I feel exactly the same way!
Î think MEMP provides more variety much faster at an overall satisfying game package. It's aged now but it's still decent. MEAMP had somewhat decent loot prgression at the beginning with more shitty character progression, but that was enough to initially interest me. After the loot gates were opened it just went to the shitter.
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Mar 2, 2021 17:42:48 GMT
Just jumped in here to say I entirely agree with both above statements. Well, Open demo aside, I waited for over a year before giving them my hard earned $5 (LOL) to play the game. By which the bugs had been worked out. No regrets.
What more caught me is the, irony is it?, of the last two sentences. Bored of Anthem because of endless repeating gameplay and grind, yet loves MEMP. Which is endless repeat of 13+6 maps and manifest/challenge point grind. And yet I feel exactly the same way!
Î think MEMP provides more variety much faster at an overall satisfying game package. It's aged now but it's still decent. MEAMP had somewhat decent loot prgression at the beginning with more shitty character progression, but that was enough to initially interest me. After the loot gates were opened it just went to the shitter. Kinda curious what things are like in the alternate universe where they made “Anthem” as a looter shooter in the Mass Effect Universe, and let you play as any of the council races with lots of customization for them and their armor and gear. They’d have so many existing art assets and cool locations and story ideas to explore that many players already have a lot of personal investment in. Coulda been pretty good imo.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2021 22:20:56 GMT
Bored of Anthem because of endless repeating gameplay and grind, yet loves MEMP. Which is endless repeat of 13+6 maps and manifest/challenge point grind. And yet I feel exactly the same way!Odd isn't it. Yet MEMP has a charm and balance that just works...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 22:55:51 GMT
For me, playing quickplay random missions kept it interesting. The strongholds are OK in moderation. The cat was just too farkin' long … the truncated three event version just doesn't reward your effort and almost no one currently playing knows how to do "stuff" anymore. Freeplay is OK, but I find the lego world events, with a few exceptions, to be tedious and largely avoided by the player population.
However I find the random "quickplay" missions work for me. Always a different group of folks with different missions, taking us to different areas. Usually a lego or regular contract, but story missions pop up from time to time. With that in mind, I tend to do random strongholds now … gives it some variety.
But absolutely agree, ME3MP was superior. The controls are close to controls for MEA and Anthem, but the one key that rules them all … is just enough to totally screw up my muscle memory. If MELE makes all three games play like ME3, I'll probably wander back to ME3MP (in the original game) and rejoin folks who still play there regularly.
MEAMP was not as good and the bulwark variants should have been named BS variants. If they'd opened up two weapon mod slots for siphon and concussive, that would have been a better approach. For bulwark to have any value, the DR should have been extended to teammates … missed opportunity to make it at least somewhat relevant.
I've grown to really like the characters … I rotate my playing based on the bonus stat groupings … that has made sure I play pretty much all the characters on a recurring basis and have grown in appreciation of their unique play styles. If MEAMP had more game support, similar to ME3MP, additional maps and adding the lost Remnant maps and Roekaar faction to regular rotation would have made it a much better game.
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Post by akots on Mar 4, 2021 14:08:24 GMT
MEAMP had somewhat decent loot prgression at the beginning with more shitty character progression, but that was enough to initially interest me. I can actually agree with that. Looking back to MEAMP after a couple of years did not awake any particular allergies or annoyances, it was an OK game overall. I did put about 150 hours in it and cannot say it was completely forgettable and regrettable. Eventually, incessant orgasmic grunting, unfixed glitches, lack of good maps, and final blunt manifest expansion made it through to my subconsious self and forced me to abandon that nonsense after probably 4 months. I fully migrate to Warframe and am mostly happy with that move.
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