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Post by Iakus on Aug 18, 2018 1:39:02 GMT
The sucky part is that there is little in the way of options for those of us that prioritize good RP and story above all else. I get one of those about every 2-3 years... That used to be true a decade ago. These days it just means you're not looking hard enough Can't find them in AAA games, really. Gotta look at the indies and Kickstarters.
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Post by goishen on Aug 18, 2018 19:39:26 GMT
And BioWare isn't known for their prescient storytelling anyway. They're known for their good storytelling and fun gameplay. One of those falls, the other doesn't matter. I would argue that before their most recent games they were quite the opposite; visionary storytelling (well, within the context of gaming at any rate) and abysmal gameplay. The original ME/DA games were pretty unique experiences with shitty combat. I hear what you're saying though, Bio needs to refine and deepen the combat system shown in the previous gameplay trailer. And I think they need to show a bit of how the story works and interactions with companions within the hub, since many are on the fence until they can get a sense of depth on that side of things. No, they were still fun. It's just that each of them had some game play choices that people hated. Big difference there. I hate (and to this day still hate) ME1's cover mechanic. The game play is still fun however. I hated (and to this day still hate) DA:O's decision to put defense and armor into almost all pieces of armor. (Hint, you can't mix and match, it's either all armor, or all defense. If you try and mix and match, you're gonna have a tank that's getting crushed, all the time) To me, standing there in a semi-static position will get boring as fuck five seconds after I start it. I've played WoW, I've raided in WoW, and most all, I'm done with WoW. There, you're doing exactly the same thing. Standing in a semi-static position shooting at the boss until it is dead. Big freakin' whoop. I can see how it would be exciting for someone that never played WoW, or any other game where you just stood there and shot something until it died. But it's not for me.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 20, 2018 14:38:04 GMT
Hm... I wonder if this article points to a potential Anthem trouble.
Basically Battlefield V has weak pre-order sales. Is this DICE CEO Patrick Soderlund's fault or just player fatigue?
Now Anthem avoided gender combat issues by using the Javelins. However, Ex EA Patrick Suderlund "I don't give a crap about what you think" may be a self-inflicted wound.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 20, 2018 16:09:38 GMT
Hm... I wonder if this article points to a potential Anthem trouble.
Basically Battlefield V has weak pre-order sales. Is this DICE CEO Patrick Soderlund's fault or just player fatigue?
Now Anthem avoided gender combat issues by using the Javelins. However, Ex EA Patrick Suderlund "I don't give a crap about what you think" may be a self-inflicted wound.
Most likely it's because BF5 is slated to release at the same time as Red Dead Redemption 2, one of the most hyped titles of the year. Affording games is getting more difficult for most people so when two titles release at the same time they pre-order the one they want to play most. BF5 is just another mindless cookie cutter shooter game released literally every single year while Red Dead Redemption 2 is the sequel to one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Not everything can be blamed on SJWs.
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Post by rras1994 on Aug 20, 2018 18:25:09 GMT
Hm... I wonder if this article points to a potential Anthem trouble.
Basically Battlefield V has weak pre-order sales. Is this DICE CEO Patrick Soderlund's fault or just player fatigue?
Now Anthem avoided gender combat issues by using the Javelins. However, Ex EA Patrick Suderlund "I don't give a crap about what you think" may be a self-inflicted wound.
Most likely it's because BF5 is slated to release at the same time as Red Dead Redemption 2, one of the most hyped titles of the year. Affording games is getting more difficult for most people so when two titles release at the same time they pre-order the one they want to play most. BF5 is just another mindless cookie cutter shooter game released literally every single year while Red Dead Redemption 2 is the sequel to one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Not everything can be blamed on SJWs. I've also seen a number of game analysts say on different forums, that it's not just BFV with lower pre-orders, it's all of them apart from Red Dead and the new COD. It's a really packed section this year with alot of big games close together.
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Post by goishen on Aug 20, 2018 20:48:23 GMT
Anybody telling any other group of people that "I don't give a crap what you think" is gonna piss them off. This has nothing to do with SJW's.
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 20, 2018 21:00:56 GMT
Anybody telling any other group of people that "I don't give a crap what you think" is gonna piss them off. This has nothing to do with SJW's. That is true as far as i'm concerned if I remember correctly there is no romance so with that said, if you play as a female toon or male there is no argument about same sex romance, there is none, correct me if i'm wrong. its you play as a female or a male
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Post by rras1994 on Aug 20, 2018 21:08:36 GMT
Anybody telling any other group of people that "I don't give a crap what you think" is gonna piss them off. This has nothing to do with SJW's. That is true as far as i'm concerned if I remember correctly there is no romance so with that said, if you play as a female toon or male there is no argument about same sex romance, there is none, correct me if i'm wrong. its you play as a female or a male They are talking about Battlefield V and what EA/DICE said about the people complaining about women customisation option. Not Anthem. EA/DICE still don't give a crap about those people.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 20, 2018 22:21:11 GMT
Most likely it's because BF5 is slated to release at the same time as Red Dead Redemption 2, one of the most hyped titles of the year. Affording games is getting more difficult for most people so when two titles release at the same time they pre-order the one they want to play most. BF5 is just another mindless cookie cutter shooter game released literally every single year while Red Dead Redemption 2 is the sequel to one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Not everything can be blamed on SJWs. I've also seen a number of game analysts say on different forums, that it's not just BFV with lower pre-orders, it's all of them apart from Red Dead and the new COD. It's a really packed section this year with alot of big games close together. Not to mention that pre-ordering in general, and from EA in particular, isn’t the smartest way to spend one’s money. FO4 was the last game I pre-ordered. Ironically, it was Bethesda that taught me that lesson. Now I only buy within the first month after release, or the first sale, depending on the game’s reception, with appropriate filtering applied.
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Post by rras1994 on Aug 20, 2018 22:25:35 GMT
I've also seen a number of game analysts say on different forums, that it's not just BFV with lower pre-orders, it's all of them apart from Red Dead and the new COD. It's a really packed section this year with alot of big games close together. Not to mention that pre-ordering in general, and from EA in particular, isn’t the smartest way to spend one’s money. FO4 was the last game I pre-ordered. Ironically, it was Bethesda that taught me that lesson. It is if you know you already want the game and there are other benefits - like for example today, DICE announced the open beta for all platforms, it wouldn't surprise me if pre-orders went up now as there would actually be a benefit. Still a crowded marketplace, so I wouldn't be surprised if people waited for more reactions to the game. I don't think anyone's expecting Battlefield to do badly though, they just aren't expecting Red Dead or CoD numbers - something I doubt EA were expecting either.
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Post by river82 on Aug 20, 2018 22:26:02 GMT
I've also seen a number of game analysts say on different forums, that it's not just BFV with lower pre-orders, it's all of them apart from Red Dead and the new COD. It's a really packed section this year with alot of big games close together. Not to mention that pre-ordering in general, and from EA in particular, isn’t the smartest way to spend one’s money. FO4 was the last game I pre-ordered. Ironically, it was Bethesda that taught me that lesson. Now I only buy within the first month after release, or the first sale, depending on the game’s reception, with appropriate filtering applied. Pre-ordering benefits the developer, and so I pre-order games from developers I'm happy with and want to support. Valkyria Chronicles 4 - pre-ordered, Pillars of Eternity 2 - pre-ordered. I used to pre-order every Bioware game released, but after DA:2, DA:I, and ME:A I'm gonna stop doing that.
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Post by river82 on Aug 20, 2018 23:15:55 GMT
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 20, 2018 23:37:58 GMT
That is true as far as i'm concerned if I remember correctly there is no romance so with that said, if you play as a female toon or male there is no argument about same sex romance, there is none, correct me if i'm wrong. its you play as a female or a male They are talking about Battlefield V and what EA/DICE said about the people complaining about women customisation option. Not Anthem. EA/DICE still don't give a crap about those people. Oops I stand corrected, lost track of the conversation
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Post by goishen on Aug 21, 2018 13:51:13 GMT
I dunno. It seems like EA is just being a stick in the mud saying, "We know what gamers want, forever." When, in actuality, gaming has changed and so have gamers.
Or worse, EA is going in the opposite direction of what gamers want, what with the loot box controversy.
Hopefully Casey Hudson can pull it off, but with the monolith that is EA, I can see that being a Sisyphean task.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 22, 2018 16:06:00 GMT
Not to mention that pre-ordering in general, and from EA in particular, isn’t the smartest way to spend one’s money. FO4 was the last game I pre-ordered. Ironically, it was Bethesda that taught me that lesson. Now I only buy within the first month after release, or the first sale, depending on the game’s reception, with appropriate filtering applied. Pre-ordering benefits the developer Not without cost to the developer as well. In the case of Anthem, where the "demo"/beta is tied to the pre-order, okay, maybe there is net benefit, but I can think of other cases where games had to be hyped beyond reasonable expectations in order to flog pre-order sales, only to result in a larger backlash than would have happened if the hype had been toned down. And who knows what the long term effect is? Maybe revenue after 2 years would have been higher without the pre-order hype, or pre-orders at all.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Aug 22, 2018 19:59:58 GMT
It's an action game with an emphasis on multiplayer. I cannot think of a description better designed to alienate me.
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Post by rras1994 on Aug 22, 2018 20:05:36 GMT
The same analyst report is stating that Red Dead 2 pre-orders are 46 % behind BlOps4 - something which goes against what alot of analysts are saying, heck, theres reports out that CoD is low on pre-orders at the moment. link. That report should be taken with quite a bit of grain of salt tbh. Is Battlefield V pre-orders a bit low at the moment? Yeah. Are most other games with pre-orders also low apart from Red Dead 2 including Cod, Ass Creed Oddysey and other big games? Also yeah.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 22, 2018 21:52:05 GMT
Well, EA may be panicking over BF V.
This article says EA has a contingency plan if BF V flops.... like mooocho free content post launch.
Now I like free content but not at the expense of Anthem failing when the game launches. Thing is, I have yet to see any Anthem pre-order numbers.
Any clue out there?
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Post by rras1994 on Aug 22, 2018 22:02:43 GMT
Well, EA may be panicking over BF V.
This article says EA has a contingency plan if BF V flops.... like mooocho free content post launch.
Now I like free content but not at the expense of Anthem failing when the game launches. Thing is, I have yet to see any Anthem pre-order numbers.
Any clue out there?
You just linked a report that covered the report of the the link I posted, which takes the main point of Battlefield V being in the same boat as pretty much every game and twists it to the negative - it's from the same source, that EA has major post launch support plans, which are going to be the same if it does well or not, which is the definition of not panicking - which was always going to be free. Anthem is also 7 months from launch so the pre-order numbers aren't going to tell us much as this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:05:37 GMT
I'm starting to think the Anthem Skepticism thread needs to be renamed the Anthem Negativity thread
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Post by river82 on Aug 22, 2018 22:05:41 GMT
Well, EA may be panicking over BF V.
This article says EA has a contingency plan if BF V flops.... like mooocho free content post launch.
Now I like free content but not at the expense of Anthem failing when the game launches. Thing is, I have yet to see any Anthem pre-order numbers.
Any clue out there? It's a report from Jeff Grubb who seems like he has a bit of inside information, but has spent the past couple of days running around concocting excuses. It reads like a member of a fan forum made a long post defending something he's a fan of. He says to take Cowen's analysis with a grain of salt, but proceeds to tell everyone that it's not meeting internal expectations. He says it's not going to bomb and says it's doing much better than titanfall 2, ignoring that Battlefield 5 was expected to sell 13 or 14 million copies and therefore needs to vastly outsell Titanfall 2. He says it's not failing, but then blames it on the release window and says there's a contingency plan. Honestly it's the most confused report I've read in a long time :S
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 23, 2018 1:12:18 GMT
Well, EA may be panicking over BF V.
This article says EA has a contingency plan if BF V flops.... like mooocho free content post launch.
Now I like free content but not at the expense of Anthem failing when the game launches. Thing is, I have yet to see any Anthem pre-order numbers.
Any clue out there?
You just linked a report that covered the report of the the link I posted, which takes the main point of Battlefield V being in the same boat as pretty much every game and twists it to the negative - it's from the same source, that EA has major post launch support plans, which are going to be the same if it does well or not, which is the definition of not panicking - which was always going to be free. Anthem is also 7 months from launch so the pre-order numbers aren't going to tell us much as this stage.
Hm.... Didn't read yours.... I guess click bait articles are making the rounds.
Yes, there are a few games that are suffering pre-order wise. The glut of games launched nearly at the same time probably is a factor. If true, then a publisher cannot assume that fans of a game brand will remain loyal. Though, I admit that EA + SWBF II may have residual negative feelings (from players) regarding DICE and their "we did it for you... crap". The bottom line is that EA cannot afford to show their investors a poor quarter. So, free content may spur post launch sales in the hope of saving their projected numbers.
Coming back to Anthem. Bio + EA is banking on old fans + new players. Imagine if BF V flops. What will save EA's 4th quarter..... Anthem?
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 23, 2018 1:18:53 GMT
I'm starting to think the Anthem Skepticism thread needs to be renamed the Anthem Negativity thread
Skepticism started a while back and current pre-order numbers appear to support this.
Perhaps all the analysis fails to pick upon one main possibility.... Player Fatigue about same-old, same-old games.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 24, 2018 19:43:21 GMT
I'm starting to think the Anthem Skepticism thread needs to be renamed the Anthem Negativity thread
Skepticism started a while back and current pre-order numbers appear to support this.
Perhaps all the analysis fails to pick upon one main possibility.... Player Fatigue about same-old, same-old games.
Are we seriously assessing preorder numbers 6 months out? I typically preorder games 6 days before release.
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