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Post by goishen on Aug 24, 2018 21:35:41 GMT
You just linked a report that covered the report of the the link I posted, which takes the main point of Battlefield V being in the same boat as pretty much every game and twists it to the negative - it's from the same source, that EA has major post launch support plans, which are going to be the same if it does well or not, which is the definition of not panicking - which was always going to be free. Anthem is also 7 months from launch so the pre-order numbers aren't going to tell us much as this stage.
Hm.... Didn't read yours.... I guess click bait articles are making the rounds.
Yes, there are a few games that are suffering pre-order wise. The glut of games launched nearly at the same time probably is a factor. If true, then a publisher cannot assume that fans of a game brand will remain loyal. Though, I admit that EA + SWBF II may have residual negative feelings (from players) regarding DICE and their "we did it for you... crap". The bottom line is that EA cannot afford to show their investors a poor quarter. So, free content may spur post launch sales in the hope of saving their projected numbers.
Coming back to Anthem. Bio + EA is banking on old fans + new players. Imagine if BF V flops. What will save EA's 4th quarter..... Anthem?
I can say what it's due to. It's due to EA churning out games as if they were homogenized butter. Bland, tasteless, butter. And I'm sorry to admit it, but BW is playing straight into their bullshit. EDIT : Bleh, always leaving out words.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 25, 2018 21:14:39 GMT
It occurred to me since anyone can jump into someone else's mission that we may have bozos that will spread lead on the good guys just to stir the pot.
So, if there is friendly fire (I believe combos will hurt the good guys), fine people will be pizzed off for sure. Conversely, the "new" guy can be a hindrance since any one at any level can jump in. This is potential chaos since I met some players who were Super unfriendly to "newbies" because of their minimum experience and skill levels.. The social aspect of this game can become a hassle. I'd much prefer missions with mandated min-max skill levels just to avoid potential player animosities.
Once this game is launched, all the warts will show up. Another reason to "wait and see" and avoid this pre-order madness ( imo).
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 26, 2018 17:56:02 GMT
So, if there is friendly fire (I believe combos will hurt the good guys), fine people will be pizzed off for sure. You can always do fact checking with the EWKAA thread. If you use the quote function and switch to BBCode, you can do full text search quite easily. That's how I found this, no friendly fire: No Friendly Fire (at the moment), but allies may still block bullets' path. [ Source] [ Source] Even if combos have splash damage friendly-fire, that's a pretty difficult grief to pull off. Plus, most of the damage still goes to the enemy, so it's net helping. More annoying than ganking. And, even if it gets out of hand, the squad leader can kick the offending player out of the server.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 26, 2018 21:14:55 GMT
I'm starting to think the Anthem Skepticism thread needs to be renamed the Anthem Negativity thread A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.
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Post by ivymorosa on Aug 27, 2018 14:55:27 GMT
A few months ago I read: "A great story in the style of Bioware".
Now I read this: "Anthem will differ in many ways from all the previous works of the Canadian team, so many are questioning about the storyline itself. To put an end to the issue was the game director Jonathan Werner during an interview with VG247, who explained that: "There will be choices to be made. Being a role-playing game with social dynamics in a shared world, we are focusing less on a massively branched story and we are more oriented towards a personal narrative ". That there is a narrative style in Destiny style? "
OMG...
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 27, 2018 18:10:38 GMT
A few months ago I read: "A great story in the style of Bioware". Now I read this: "Anthem will differ in many ways from all the previous works of the Canadian team, so many are questioning about the storyline itself. To put an end to the issue was the game director Jonathan Werner during an interview with VG247, who explained that: "There will be choices to be made. Being a role-playing game with social dynamics in a shared world, we are focusing less on a massively branched story and we are more oriented towards a personal narrative ". That there is a narrative style in Destiny style? " OMG...
A personal narrative is role playing? Isn't that a stretch?
Any "role playing" is limited to Fort Tarsis, from what I understand. And, since I watch the new Gamescon Cyberpunk 2077 demo (not the one from E3. ) [ Source] with a complete mission, ... I'm not really impressed by the RPG element and fear the hub / Fort Tarsis experience will be the same.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 27, 2018 18:35:50 GMT
A few months ago I read: "A great story in the style of Bioware". Now I read this: "Anthem will differ in many ways from all the previous works of the Canadian team, so many are questioning about the storyline itself. To put an end to the issue was the game director Jonathan Werner during an interview with VG247, who explained that: "There will be choices to be made. Being a role-playing game with social dynamics in a shared world, we are focusing less on a massively branched story and we are more oriented towards a personal narrative ". That there is a narrative style in Destiny style? " OMG...
A personal narrative is role playing? Isn't that a stretch?
Any "role playing" is limited to Fort Tarsis, from what I understand. And, since I watch the new Gamescon Cyberpunk 2077 demo (not the one from E3. ) [ Source] with a complete mission, ... I'm not really impressed by the RPG element and fear the hub / Fort Tarsis experience will be the same. You'd be surprised what marketing and management comes up with. In Elite Dangerous the "personal narrative" is pretty much the the looting and crafting of stuff.
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Post by biggydx on Aug 27, 2018 19:39:01 GMT
A few months ago I read: "A great story in the style of Bioware". Now I read this: "Anthem will differ in many ways from all the previous works of the Canadian team, so many are questioning about the storyline itself. To put an end to the issue was the game director Jonathan Werner during an interview with VG247, who explained that: "There will be choices to be made. Being a role-playing game with social dynamics in a shared world, we are focusing less on a massively branched story and we are more oriented towards a personal narrative ". That there is a narrative style in Destiny style? " OMG... There are no choices in Destiny. You can't even speak to the most prominent characters in the series (at will) in order to find out what their background is. Most of that is tucked within the games lore. Honestly, it just sounds like they're shooting for something more akin to how you would see story-telling in an Uncharted game or Max Payne, but with some options to pick how certain story elements turn out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 20:21:28 GMT
I'm still on the fence for many different reasons about Anthem but once the story details drop hopefully that will push me one way or the other and I'll be able to weigh the pros and cons to see if I want to put money and time into Anthem.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 27, 2018 20:44:54 GMT
A personal narrative is role playing? Isn't that a stretch?
Any "role playing" is limited to Fort Tarsis, from what I understand. And, since I watch the new Gamescon Cyberpunk 2077 demo (not the one from E3. ) [ Source] with a complete mission, ... I'm not really impressed by the RPG element and fear the hub / Fort Tarsis experience will be the same. You'd be surprised what marketing and management comes up with. In Elite Dangerous the "personal narrative" is pretty much the the looting and crafting of stuff.
Not really. Once qualifiers like "personal narrative" are thrown around, it's a given the old RPG genre this game is not. While corp speak is enticing, it avoids describing the true nature of "personal narrative".I'm looking for something more than shooting bullet sponges and the tactical elements are few. Combos are mentioned plus gear crafting, "treasure hunting" and vanity upgrades but is that it?
I mean, what does this game have to pull us in besides it being a Bio game?
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Post by helios969 on Aug 27, 2018 23:43:23 GMT
I'm starting to think the Anthem Skepticism thread needs to be renamed the Anthem Negativity thread A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist. Ha! I've been trying to convince friends and family of that my whole life. It's amazing how few understand the distinction.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 28, 2018 16:35:46 GMT
I'm starting to think the Anthem Skepticism thread needs to be renamed the Anthem Negativity thread A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist. This is a bit tricky to read, since "calls" can either mean that realist is the object and "pessimist" is the object's name, as in, "A hero is what the newspaper calls John," or that pessimist is the object and "realist" is the object's name, as in, "John is what the newspaper calls a hero." Unlike my example, the meaning changes radically between the two readings of the original, so which is intended? If realist is the object, the statement makes no sense, since an optimist emphasizes the positive and wouldn't call a realist a pessimist, because that's an emphasis to the negative. If pessimist is the object, the statement is that realists are just pessimists with a positive emphasis. As in the related and much clearer phrase: Is a pessimist who calls himself a realist an optimist? It does NOT say that pessimists are maligned realists, which is what I think the intent is. A pity, since Yes, Minister had otherwise extremely good writing.
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Post by goishen on Aug 28, 2018 21:59:23 GMT
And you wonder why there are only 7 people in this entire section of the forum?
SJW propaganda like that.
I'm sorry, I haven't heard a load of shit like that in forever.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 29, 2018 4:14:34 GMT
A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist. This is a bit tricky to read, since "calls" can either mean that realist is the object and "pessimist" is the object's name, as in, "A hero is what the newspaper calls John," or that pessimist is the object and "realist" is the object's name, as in, "John is what the newspaper calls a hero." Unlike my example, the meaning changes radically between the two readings of the original, so which is intended? If realist is the object, the statement makes no sense, since an optimist emphasizes the positive and wouldn't call a realist a pessimist, because that's an emphasis to the negative. If pessimist is the object, the statement is that realists are just pessimists with a positive emphasis. As in the related and much clearer phrase: Is a pessimist who calls himself a realist an optimist? It does NOT say that pessimists are maligned realists, which is what I think the intent is. A pity, since Yes, Minister had otherwise extremely good writing. umm, I was quoting Ashley Williams from ME1....
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 31, 2018 14:45:15 GMT
Regarding the "personal narrative" + story telling, game director Jon Warner said this...
"... And for those worried that it’s too much of a departure from the developer’s norm, Warner assures you it isn’t. "If you look at BioWare games on a spectrum, from Baldur's Gate to Neverwinter, and Jade Empire to Knights of the Old Republic, to Mass Effect and Dragon Age, you'll see that the games have always been about evolving our technique and storytelling... so the way that we look at it, Anthem is not a departure, it's the continued evolution of our craft and our technique," he explained. "
It's an evolution all right. If the classic games are the equivalent of 400K word novels, Anthem's personal narrative is equivalent to a 100K word novel.story. Technically, I guess, it is an evolution in story telling...like thinning out the story part. Plus, the binary dialogue choices enforces the idea that our "social interactions" with NPCs in the hub(s) is hardly deep character development.
Yet, we will be the hero of the story and "... the way we look at it.... it's the continued evolution of our craft.".
Yeah... right. I guess with DA4, Bio will decide to retrograde story telling to get the deep characters the studio prides itself with that franchise.... or will they?
Edit: source for the quoted statement can be found here.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 31, 2018 16:23:56 GMT
Regarding the "personal narrative" + story telling, game director Jon Warner said this...
"... And for those worried that it’s too much of a departure from the developer’s norm, Warner assures you it isn’t. "If you look at BioWare games on a spectrum, from Baldur's Gate to Neverwinter, and Jade Empire to Knights of the Old Republic, to Mass Effect and Dragon Age, you'll see that the games have always been about evolving our technique and storytelling... so the way that we look at it, Anthem is not a departure, it's the continued evolution of our craft and our technique," he explained. "
It's an evolution all right. If the classic games are the equivalent of 400K word novels, Anthem's personal narrative is equivalent to a 100K word novel.story. Technically, I guess, it is an evolution in story telling...like thinning out the story part. Plus, the binary dialogue choices enforces the idea that our "social interactions" with NPCs in the hub(s) is hardly deep character development.
Yet, we will be the hero of the story and "... the way we look at it.... it's the continued evolution of our craft.".
Yeah... right. I guess with DA4, Bio will decide to retrograde story telling to get the deep characters the studio prides itself with that franchise.... or will they?
Edit: source for the quoted statement can be found here. Yeah, binary dialogue choices are a devolution, not evolution. I mean, I'm replaying BG2 right now and I see nothing in Anthem that makes me think it's at all an advancement over that masterpiece.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 31, 2018 17:40:07 GMT
Considering discourse like this, I sympathize with Bioware's decision closing their forums. Anthem forums would have been filled with shitty personal attacks and concern trolling. Not a lot of room for nuanced discussion. If they cannot handle criticism and not keeping the peace in their forum, then that's their fault for not maintaining the forum. And it would be pointless for them to make games if they cannot take constructive criticism.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 31, 2018 19:27:29 GMT
Considering discourse like this, I sympathize with Bioware's decision closing their forums. Anthem forums would have been filled with shitty personal attacks and concern trolling. Not a lot of room for nuanced discussion. If they cannot handle criticism and not keeping the peace in their forum, then that's their fault for not maintaining the forum. And it would be pointless for them to make games if they cannot take constructive criticism. I can agree with the first part as it was well within their domain to control/cleanup their own forums...the second part is dubious since I see little on the internet or around here that qualifies as constructive criticism...most typically it goes something like this: Bioware is lazy, incompetent, greedy (basically because they didn't get a game custom tailored to their tastes) or people who do manage to offer constructive feedback get plastered from equivalent numbers stating the exact opposite. After a while it just becomes background noise, so it's not really surprising the relationship between "fans" and devs is where it is.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 31, 2018 20:23:10 GMT
And it would be pointless for them to make games if they cannot take constructive criticism. Ha hahahahahahahha hahhahahhahahaa!! Good one. As if all that forum drama and nastiness could be called constructive ... Oh, wait. You were serious?
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 31, 2018 20:57:57 GMT
*cough* this is the skepticism thread *cough* I request that those who are not being sufficiently skeptical give it a rest for a while and allow those who are, to be skeptical without being hassled, please.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2018 21:01:27 GMT
*cough* this is the skepticism thread *cough* I request that those who are not being sufficiently skeptical give it a rest for a while and allow those who are, to be skeptical without being hassled, please. Excuse me, but that moderation is far too optimistic. This is the skepticism thread, so you need to be more cynical.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 31, 2018 21:02:34 GMT
Excuse me, but that moderation is far too optimistic. This is the skepticism thread, so you need to be more cynical. Fair enough, I'll see myself out...
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 1, 2018 7:03:34 GMT
BioWare is looking real dumb right now.
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