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Post by 10k on Sept 1, 2018 7:32:34 GMT
BioWare is looking real dumb right now. But really, who didn't see this coming? Anthem will be first and foremost a looter shooter. Just like Destiny and The Division.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 1, 2018 13:23:07 GMT
BioWare is looking real dumb right now. But really, who didn't see this coming? Anthem will be first and foremost a looter shooter. Just like Destiny and The Division.
Yep.... Bio has said so in so many ways. Still, some cling to the old beliefs that Bio is a story teller.
Not with this game.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 1, 2018 14:38:17 GMT
Anyone else remember how "awesome" the binary dialogue choices were in ME3?
This is shaping up to be even worse.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 2, 2018 0:30:23 GMT
Well I finally got the vid to run and i'm curious about these contracts to continue the story after the initial game is done, I got the impression that there maybe a pay wall to continue it. sure there will be no loot boxes etc. so in a since they are not lying but a contract? hope i'm wrong and i'm sure I am but that's the impression I got.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 2, 2018 2:13:50 GMT
Well I finally got the vid to run and i'm curious about these contracts to continue the story after the initial game is done, I got the impression that there maybe a pay wall to continue it. sure there will be no loot boxes etc. so in a since they are not lying but a contract? hope i'm wrong and i'm sure I am but that's the impression I got. Contracts are basically side-quests and radiant missions. Why would those be behind a paywall?
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 2, 2018 2:30:32 GMT
Well I finally got the vid to run and i'm curious about these contracts to continue the story after the initial game is done, I got the impression that there maybe a pay wall to continue it. sure there will be no loot boxes etc. so in a since they are not lying but a contract? hope i'm wrong and i'm sure I am but that's the impression I got. Contracts are basically side-quests and radiant missions. Why would those be behind a paywall? Its just to me how they presented it on the panel, for the initial game story is over but if you want to continue there are these contracts.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 2, 2018 3:20:32 GMT
Contracts are basically side-quests and radiant missions. Why would those be behind a paywall? Its just to me how they presented it on the panel, for the initial game story is over but if you want to continue there are these contracts. My impression is that it's basically akin to Skyrim and Fallouts radiant quest system, where even after the main campaign is over, you can go to one of the Agents at Fort Tarsis and do a mission for them. The mission will randomly select an objective for you to complete, what faction you'll have to deal with, and where the mission will take place on the map.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Sept 2, 2018 10:08:30 GMT
I find it hard to understand how people can be so pleased with latest Anthem trailer. It looks so... boring, just average shooter with nice graphics - that's all.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 2, 2018 11:10:35 GMT
Its just to me how they presented it on the panel, for the initial game story is over but if you want to continue there are these contracts. My impression is that it's basically akin to Skyrim and Fallouts radiant quest system, where even after the main campaign is over, you can go to one of the Agents at Fort Tarsis and do a mission for them. The mission will randomly select an objective for you to complete, what faction you'll have to deal with, and where the mission will take place on the map. I'll trust ya on that since I have never played Skyrim or any of the Fallout games so i'll confess I have no idea how those games/stories play out.
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Post by 10k on Sept 2, 2018 15:01:17 GMT
I find it hard to understand how people can be so pleased with latest Anthem trailer. It looks so... boring, just average shooter with nice graphics - that's all. You just have to understand that the people who are excited about this are probably those who enjoyed games like Destiny or The Division. Personally I don't think a gamer who only love RPGs would be excited for this. Bioware haven't even showcased any story elements. Their focus has been primarily on the shooting mechanics. This is absolutely not an RPG, and I have no issue with that because I'm not buying it. I will just wait for Cyberpunk 2077 to get my RPG fix.
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Post by Pearl on Sept 2, 2018 15:24:59 GMT
I find it hard to understand how people can be so pleased with latest Anthem trailer. It looks so... boring, just average shooter with nice graphics - that's all. Nice graphics is all it takes, unfortunately.
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 2, 2018 19:57:09 GMT
Regarding the "personal narrative" + story telling, game director Jon Warner said this...
"... And for those worried that it’s too much of a departure from the developer’s norm, Warner assures you it isn’t. "If you look at BioWare games on a spectrum, from Baldur's Gate to Neverwinter, and Jade Empire to Knights of the Old Republic, to Mass Effect and Dragon Age, you'll see that the games have always been about evolving our technique and storytelling... so the way that we look at it, Anthem is not a departure, it's the continued evolution of our craft and our technique," he explained. "
It's an evolution all right. If the classic games are the equivalent of 400K word novels, Anthem's personal narrative is equivalent to a 100K word novel.story. Technically, I guess, it is an evolution in story telling...like thinning out the story part. Plus, the binary dialogue choices enforces the idea that our "social interactions" with NPCs in the hub(s) is hardly deep character development.
Yet, we will be the hero of the story and "... the way we look at it.... it's the continued evolution of our craft.".
Yeah... right. I guess with DA4, Bio will decide to retrograde story telling to get the deep characters the studio prides itself with that franchise.... or will they?
Edit: source for the quoted statement can be found here. Well that’s depressing reading.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 2, 2018 21:43:11 GMT
You just have to understand that the people who are excited about this are probably those who enjoyed games like Destiny or The Division. Personally I don't think a gamer who only love RPGs would be excited for this. Bioware haven't even showcased any story elements. Their focus has been primarily on the shooting mechanics. This is absolutely not an RPG, and I have no issue with that because I'm not buying it. I will just wait for Cyberpunk 2077 to get my RPG fix. I agree with this. I think this is the core of the skepticism expressed in this thread. In fact, we should just call it a fact and not skeptical guesswork, it ain't an RPG. Comparisons to RPGs or Action RPGs are pretty much a waste of time at this point. How, rather, does this game fall short of Destiny or The Division? Admittedly, pretty difficult to do in both cases, but that kind of skeptical guesswork would interest me. Or Warframe, for something that's not such an easy target.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 2, 2018 22:15:41 GMT
I find it hard to understand how people can be so pleased with latest Anthem trailer. It looks so... boring, just average shooter with nice graphics - that's all. Nice graphics is all it takes, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 22:21:32 GMT
Well I've had a bit of time to mull over the PAX panel and I've come to the conclusion that Anthem is not for me. Do I hate the game? No, it's not me.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 3, 2018 0:11:09 GMT
Well I've had a bit of time to mull over the PAX panel and I've come to the conclusion that Anthem is not for me. Do I hate the game? No, it's not me. And that's a fine decision to have and you shouldn't be admonished for it. In fact, I wish more people would be able to come to conclusions like this. Different strokes. I do hope that, once the next Dragon Age comes out, it brings the heat. BioWare owes it to their fans who have been waiting for so long. And yeah, I know Cyberpunk will definitely interest a lot of people as well. It's definitely peaked my curiosity. Considering the amount of NPC's on the map, the amount of AI systems going on, and their sheer graphical fidelity of what was shown, I have to think that this is a next-gen game. I'm making that assumption not as a, "of course it is," more than I'm trying to posit that the next Dragon Age could potentially have to compete with Cyberpunk. BioWare will definitely need to bring it if that turns out to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 0:33:29 GMT
Meh, lost interest in Cyberpunk once it was First Person.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 3, 2018 1:21:19 GMT
Meh, lost interest in Cyberpunk once it was First Person. Lol. I wasn't expecting that response. I'm sure its just me, but it just amazes me how much of a turn-off the FPS perspective is for people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 1:34:19 GMT
Meh, lost interest in Cyberpunk once it was First Person. Lol. I wasn't expecting that response. I'm sure its just me, but it just amazes me how much of a turn-off the FPS perspective is for people. Heh, you like FPS or you don't. I think it's okay for a shooter like Halo but for a RPG I prefer 3rd person. Personal preference I guess.
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2018 1:51:39 GMT
Its just to me how they presented it on the panel, for the initial game story is over but if you want to continue there are these contracts. My impression is that it's basically akin to Skyrim and Fallouts radiant quest system, where even after the main campaign is over, you can go to one of the Agents at Fort Tarsis and do a mission for them. The mission will randomly select an objective for you to complete, what faction you'll have to deal with, and where the mission will take place on the map. also known as "the single worst thing to happen to Bethesda games"
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Post by OdanUrr on Sept 3, 2018 2:11:40 GMT
Meh, lost interest in Cyberpunk once it was First Person. Lol. I wasn't expecting that response. I'm sure its just me, but it just amazes me how much of a turn-off the FPS perspective is for people. *shrugs* Personally, if it's an RPG, I want to see what my character is wearing.
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 3, 2018 11:37:01 GMT
Not a fan of first person too. I like seeing my character being awesome, not just her hands. It make the CC unuseful.
And I don't feel immersed one bit.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 3, 2018 12:01:51 GMT
Meh, lost interest in Cyberpunk once it was First Person. Lol. I wasn't expecting that response. I'm sure its just me, but it just amazes me how much of a turn-off the FPS perspective is for people. Not a fan myself 'cause I get a headache after awhile, but it's CDPR in a cyberpunk world so I'll definitely suck it up. Looks too awesome to pass on. Plus it looks to have much more RP elements than TW series had. I'll just have to approach it in more bite sized portions.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 3, 2018 12:02:57 GMT
Not a fan of first person too. I like seeing my character being awesome, not just her hands. It make the CC unuseful. And I don't feel immersed one bit. You'll still see your character in 3rd person cutscenes.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 3, 2018 15:10:06 GMT
Not a fan of first person too. I like seeing my character being awesome, not just her hands. It make the CC unuseful. And I don't feel immersed one bit. You'll still see your character in 3rd person cutscenes.
Hm...
Why bother? Did Bio not tells us the reason for 1st person view is to be close and personal? 3rd person view, even in cut scenes, goes against the rationale in game design. We know that cinematic cut scenes make for powerful stories and characters you can connect to. Thus the use of 3rd person cut scenes is puzzling.
Personally, I view it as cost cutting in game development.
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