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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 24, 2018 19:35:15 GMT
But whay about stuff like party members? Party Member loyalty/recruitment missions and other "traditional Bioware" story beats like major decisions like whether to keep Wrex alive or not on Virmire? Is all of that being tossed asside? We'll need to see. AI Party members may simply not fit this model, but I'm sure there will be NPC stories and interactions.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 24, 2018 19:58:43 GMT
But whay about stuff like party members? Party Member loyalty/recruitment missions and other "traditional Bioware" story beats like major decisions like whether to keep Wrex alive or not on Virmire? Is all of that being tossed asside? We'll need to see. AI Party members may simply not fit this model, but I'm sure there will be NPC stories and interactions. I still don't understand why BioWare is only allowed to make one type of game and the moment they do make something different people will get bent out of shape. If I was a BioWare employee I would want to get away from making Mass Effect games all the time because it would get boring doing the same thing all the time and with how "fans" reacted to Mass Effect 3 nobody should be surprised that the team that worked on that would want to do something different because I would think no matter what I create would never be good enough again since people were making petitions to have everyone that worked on that game fired.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 24, 2018 21:05:19 GMT
We'll need to see. AI Party members may simply not fit this model, but I'm sure there will be NPC stories and interactions. I still don't understand why BioWare is only allowed to make one type of game and the moment they do make something different people will get bent out of shape. If I was a BioWare employee I would want to get away from making Mass Effect games all the time because it would get boring doing the same thing all the time and with how "fans" reacted to Mass Effect 3 nobody should be surprised that the team that worked on that would want to do something different because I would think no matter what I create would never be good enough again since people were making petitions to have everyone that worked on that game fired. Me neither. BUT if they would totally spoil something like the Virmire decision to satisfy some internetwhiners of gameplay before release I would be upset. I just want them to do what they want to do. If it appeals,to me I'm in, if not I'll play something else. Just don't get stuck in "the good ole days".
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 24, 2018 22:01:51 GMT
I just want them to do what they want to do. If it appeals,to me I'm in, if not I'll play something else. So this.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 24, 2018 22:06:33 GMT
Sims 4? I wonder what they'll be doing with the franchise.
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 24, 2018 22:13:28 GMT
Sims 4? I wonder what they'll be doing with the franchise. They tend to always have Sims 4 at EA play, it's not always a big announcement, they generally just let people play the game and have a preview of the latest pack coming out. Last year, I think it was just a stuff pack. They don't usually have a big expansion pack come out til November. They now only have 1 expansion pack a year instead of 2 a year like they did with the Sims 3, instead they bring out two games packs a year, which is a smaller expansion pack that focuses on one theme. They have a Jungle Adventure one coming out soon that looks pretty cool.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 4:07:50 GMT
We'll need to see. AI Party members may simply not fit this model, but I'm sure there will be NPC stories and interactions. I still don't understand why BioWare is only allowed to make one type of game and the moment they do make something different people will get bent out of shape. If I was a BioWare employee I would want to get away from making Mass Effect games all the time because it would get boring doing the same thing all the time and with how "fans" reacted to Mass Effect 3 nobody should be surprised that the team that worked on that would want to do something different because I would think no matter what I create would never be good enough again since people were making petitions to have everyone that worked on that game fired. Bioware isnt allowed to just make one style of game. But as a consumer, I also dont have to be interested either. If Lamborghini decided to make a soccer mom mini van to appeal to a larger consumer base, I dont have to be eager over the fact that their next vehicle is a van and not an exotic sports car. I feel that Bioware had a good thing going minus MEA so them changing the formula is less about a change of scenery and more about following EA's mandate to latch onto the MP craze and focus on a genre that will give them Destiny money. Bioware's future depends on the success of this game so instead of doing what they do best which are companion focused RPGs with player choice, they attempt something that they've never done before.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 25, 2018 7:19:14 GMT
I still don't understand why BioWare is only allowed to make one type of game and the moment they do make something different people will get bent out of shape. If I was a BioWare employee I would want to get away from making Mass Effect games all the time because it would get boring doing the same thing all the time and with how "fans" reacted to Mass Effect 3 nobody should be surprised that the team that worked on that would want to do something different because I would think no matter what I create would never be good enough again since people were making petitions to have everyone that worked on that game fired. Bioware isnt allowed to just make one style of game. But as a consumer, I also dont have to be interested either. If Lamborghini decided to make a soccer mom mini van to appeal to a larger consumer base, I dont have to be eager over the fact that their next vehicle is a van and not an exotic sports car. I feel that Bioware had a good thing going minus MEA so them changing the formula is less about a change of scenery and more about following EA's mandate to latch onto the MP craze and focus on a genre that will give them Destiny money. Bioware's future depends on the success of this game so instead of doing what they do best which are companion focused RPGs with player choice, they attempt something that they've never done before. I really don't care if you are eager or not, but proclaiming you know what will be a success or not is the problem. Just because you think companion focus RPGs are what is BioWare's strong point there have been plenty of people eager to point out they haven't been doing that right for multiple games for multiple reasons including pandering. If you go buy what other people are proclaiming they have never done player choice right since even before EA for I remember all the "my choices don't matter" whining after Mass Effect 1 because there wasn't some magical CGI at the end of the game that demonstrated their choices and how they had a major impact on the game's universe. I really don't want things to be tacked on because people on the internet are claiming it isn't there now, frankly if it isn't there now I don't want it added to the game because it will feel like an afterthought, in many ways it would be the video game equivalent of Justice League where the movie feels like it has two different directions because it did. Frankly you could have used those exact same arguments against Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, and Mass Effect 1 for all three of those were massive steps away from what they have done in the past too. If anything I am surprised BioWare was able to survive the failure of Jade Empire, but then again that could be parts of the reasons behind Microsoft exclusiveness for Mass Effect or the partnering with Pandemic which led to EA buying them.
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Post by Fly In The Lotion on Feb 25, 2018 10:00:44 GMT
Let's hope it'll be more than some Johnny Cash bullshit.
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Post by giubba on Feb 25, 2018 11:44:12 GMT
I still don't understand why BioWare is only allowed to make one type of game and the moment they do make something different people will get bent out of shape. If I was a BioWare employee I would want to get away from making Mass Effect games all the time because it would get boring doing the same thing all the time and with how "fans" reacted to Mass Effect 3 nobody should be surprised that the team that worked on that would want to do something different because I would think no matter what I create would never be good enough again since people were making petitions to have everyone that worked on that game fired. Bioware isnt allowed to just make one style of game. But as a consumer, I also dont have to be interested either. If Lamborghini decided to make a soccer mom mini van to appeal to a larger consumer base, I dont have to be eager over the fact that their next vehicle is a van and not an exotic sports car. I feel that Bioware had a good thing going minus MEA so them changing the formula is less about a change of scenery and more about following EA's mandate to latch onto the MP craze and focus on a genre that will give them Destiny money. Bioware's future depends on the success of this game so instead of doing what they do best which are companion focused RPGs with player choice, they attempt something that they've never done before. Yeah like blizzard they were only good at making RTS....oh wait i mean they are only good at making MMOs....oh wait i mean they are only good at making FPS.....
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 12:30:30 GMT
Bioware isnt allowed to just make one style of game. But as a consumer, I also dont have to be interested either. If Lamborghini decided to make a soccer mom mini van to appeal to a larger consumer base, I dont have to be eager over the fact that their next vehicle is a van and not an exotic sports car. I feel that Bioware had a good thing going minus MEA so them changing the formula is less about a change of scenery and more about following EA's mandate to latch onto the MP craze and focus on a genre that will give them Destiny money. Bioware's future depends on the success of this game so instead of doing what they do best which are companion focused RPGs with player choice, they attempt something that they've never done before. I really don't care if you are eager or not, but proclaiming you know what will be a success or not is the problem. Just because you think companion focus RPGs are what is BioWare's strong point there have been plenty of people eager to point out they haven't been doing that right for multiple games for multiple reasons including pandering. If you go buy what other people are proclaiming they have never done player choice right since even before EA for I remember all the "my choices don't matter" whining after Mass Effect 1 because there wasn't some magical CGI at the end of the game that demonstrated their choices and how they had a major impact on the game's universe. I really don't want things to be tacked on because people on the internet are claiming it isn't there now, frankly if it isn't there now I don't want it added to the game because it will feel like an afterthought, in many ways it would be the video game equivalent of Justice League where the movie feels like it has two different directions because it did. Frankly you could have used those exact same arguments against Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, and Mass Effect 1 for all three of those were massive steps away from what they have done in the past too. If anything I am surprised BioWare was able to survive the failure of Jade Empire, but then again that could be parts of the reasons behind Microsoft exclusiveness for Mass Effect or the partnering with Pandemic which led to EA buying them. Most people would agree that the strong point to past Bioware games asside from their stories were the companion presence, stories, and interactions. There is a reason why many consider ME2 to be the better ME game and probably one of Bioware's best, because it was companion driven and that is what Bioware excels at. Most of their stories are generic takes on overused themes, but what sets the game apart and allow the stories to feel unique is the companions. Imagine if KOTOR, DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1 and ME2 didnt have companions. They would lose a lot of what made them so great. KOTOR would still be a fun game, but not having HK47, Bastilla, Carth, Canderous etc be there really takes away a lot. Oh and one more thing, their first MMO was based on a highly popular Warcraft series, so while it wasnt a RTS, people were still excited to dive back into the Warcraft world and lore. Same with SWTOR, Bioware's first MMO. It was based on the popular KOTOR and Star Wars brand. Overwatch, their first FPS was not based on a popular franchise, but at the same time, Blizzard wasnt in a dire situation like Bioware is in now. People still had high expectations and faith in Blizzard....not like Bioware now. So people flocked to Overwatch cause they new what Blizzard touched would be of good quality. Bioware doesnt have that same advantage anymore where people assume that amything they touch is golden and will madly flock to it.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 12:45:26 GMT
Bioware isnt allowed to just make one style of game. But as a consumer, I also dont have to be interested either. If Lamborghini decided to make a soccer mom mini van to appeal to a larger consumer base, I dont have to be eager over the fact that their next vehicle is a van and not an exotic sports car. I feel that Bioware had a good thing going minus MEA so them changing the formula is less about a change of scenery and more about following EA's mandate to latch onto the MP craze and focus on a genre that will give them Destiny money. Bioware's future depends on the success of this game so instead of doing what they do best which are companion focused RPGs with player choice, they attempt something that they've never done before. Yeah like blizzard they were only good at making RTS....oh wait i mean they are only good at making MMOs....oh wait i mean they are only good at making FPS..... That is cause Blizzard focuses on quality instead of quantity. Between 2003 and 2018, how many games has Bioware produced? Now compare that to how many games Blizzard has made. When they make games, they take there time and only release it when its ready. Bioware did delay Anthem, but I think the delay was more to move Anthem away from Battlefield and other competitive Holiday releases like Call of Duty and Red Dead Redemption to a less competitve spot. Remember, if Anthem fails then Bioware is done. I do not see people talking about the possible closure of Blizzard nor do I see people who said that if Overwatch failed then Blizzard is done. And when was the last game from Blizzard that flopped? When was Bioware's? Point is, Blizzard through the years has proven to be a competent dev, even Bioware. Difference is Blizzard has not dealt with any stingers like Bioware has (DA2, MEA, ME3 ending etc....) SWTOR was a success, but was it cause it was a Star Wars game? Anthem is coming during a time when the industry reception to MTs is not all that good and only a naive person will believe that Anthem will not have MTs. Overwatch has them, but they are purely cosmetic. In addition, Blizzard isnt scrutinized the same way Bioware is. A mistake by Blizzard, CDPR, and Rockstar, even Bethesda will be given forgiveness to an extend. Bioware makes the same mistake and the internet will tear Bioware apart. A lot is riding on Anthem and if I were Bioware, I would be pushing for a late 2019 or early 2020 release to ensure that this goes dowm as intended. I doubt you'll see Cyberpunk 2077 come out early 2019 and that game has been in developmemt around the same time as Anthem. Why? Cause quality over quantity....
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Post by giubba on Feb 25, 2018 13:29:26 GMT
Yeah like blizzard they were only good at making RTS....oh wait i mean they are only good at making MMOs....oh wait i mean they are only good at making FPS..... That is cause Blizzard focuses on quality instead of quantity. Between 2003 and 2018, how many games has Bioware produced? Now compare that to how many games Blizzard has made. When they make games, they take there time and only release it when its ready. Bioware did delay Anthem, but I think the delay was more to move Anthem away from Battlefield and other competitive Holiday releases like Call of Duty and Red Dead Redemption to a less competitve spot. Remember, if Anthem fails then Bioware is done. I do not see people talking about the possible closure of Blizzard nor do I see people who said that if Overwatch failed then Blizzard is done. And when was the last game from Blizzard that flopped? When was Bioware's? Point is, Blizzard through the years has proven to be a competent dev, even Bioware. Difference is Blizzard has not dealt with any stingers like Bioware has (DA2, MEA, ME3 ending etc....) SWTOR was a success, but was it cause it was a Star Wars game? Anthem is coming during a time when the industry reception to MTs is not all that good and only a naive person will believe that Anthem will not have MTs. Overwatch has them, but they are purely cosmetic. In addition, Blizzard isnt scrutinized the same way Bioware is. A mistake by Blizzard, CDPR, and Rockstar, even Bethesda will be given forgiveness to an extend. Bioware makes the same mistake and the internet will tear Bioware apart. A lot is riding on Anthem and if I were Bioware, I would be pushing for a late 2019 or early 2020 release to ensure that this goes dowm as intended. I doubt you'll see Cyberpunk 2077 come out early 2019 and that game has been in developmemt around the same time as Anthem. Why? Cause quality over quantity.... You serious? Probably blizzard made MORE game in a shorter amount of time than bioware considering wow+all the expansions+starcraft+diablo 3. And blizzard had and still deal with the same amount of shit as the other devs but when your playerbase rank in over 10 milions you are able to dismiss most of the drama because you have literally other millions of people that still happy about it.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 25, 2018 16:27:28 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing?
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Post by giubba on Feb 25, 2018 16:34:04 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing? Cannot say about the time period around overwatch release but when diablo 3 launched i saw some BSN level of shit ("the old blizzard is dead","once they made the history of gaming now they are a sellout to activision greed"etc.) especially regarding the auction house.Same goes for starcraft 2 releases
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Post by Pearl on Feb 25, 2018 16:34:26 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing? No, because people were generally satisfied with existing offerings and understood that new genres of games require multiple teams. For example, the raid designers for WOW wouldn't be very good at designing Overwatch heroes, just like the sandbox designers for Diablo wouldn't do a great job at designing MMO PvP zones. That's not to say that there's zero overlap whatsoever, but different games with different goals require different sets of expertise.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 17:20:22 GMT
That is cause Blizzard focuses on quality instead of quantity. Between 2003 and 2018, how many games has Bioware produced? Now compare that to how many games Blizzard has made. When they make games, they take there time and only release it when its ready. Bioware did delay Anthem, but I think the delay was more to move Anthem away from Battlefield and other competitive Holiday releases like Call of Duty and Red Dead Redemption to a less competitve spot. Remember, if Anthem fails then Bioware is done. I do not see people talking about the possible closure of Blizzard nor do I see people who said that if Overwatch failed then Blizzard is done. And when was the last game from Blizzard that flopped? When was Bioware's? Point is, Blizzard through the years has proven to be a competent dev, even Bioware. Difference is Blizzard has not dealt with any stingers like Bioware has (DA2, MEA, ME3 ending etc....) SWTOR was a success, but was it cause it was a Star Wars game? Anthem is coming during a time when the industry reception to MTs is not all that good and only a naive person will believe that Anthem will not have MTs. Overwatch has them, but they are purely cosmetic. In addition, Blizzard isnt scrutinized the same way Bioware is. A mistake by Blizzard, CDPR, and Rockstar, even Bethesda will be given forgiveness to an extend. Bioware makes the same mistake and the internet will tear Bioware apart. A lot is riding on Anthem and if I were Bioware, I would be pushing for a late 2019 or early 2020 release to ensure that this goes dowm as intended. I doubt you'll see Cyberpunk 2077 come out early 2019 and that game has been in developmemt around the same time as Anthem. Why? Cause quality over quantity.... You serious? Probably blizzard made MORE game in a shorter amount of time than bioware considering wow+all the expansions+starcraft+diablo 3. And blizzard had and still deal with the same amount of shit as the other devs but when your playerbase rank in over 10 milions you are able to dismiss most of the drama because you have literally other millions of people that still happy about it. Im talking about base games, not expansions. WoW and Statecraft 2 are two base games. Their expansions are just.....expansions of those base games.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 17:22:16 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing? But was the general consensus that Blizzard needed Overwatch to succeed or else Activision might close down blizzard?
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Post by giubba on Feb 25, 2018 17:22:54 GMT
You serious? Probably blizzard made MORE game in a shorter amount of time than bioware considering wow+all the expansions+starcraft+diablo 3. And blizzard had and still deal with the same amount of shit as the other devs but when your playerbase rank in over 10 milions you are able to dismiss most of the drama because you have literally other millions of people that still happy about it. Im talking about base games, not expansions. WoW and Statecraft 2 are two base games. Their expansions are just.....expansions of those base games. MMO expansion require as much or sometimes even more work only in a shorter amount of time. Usually devs have 2 years for making a complete full expansion (which isn't a 10 hour dlc) and at the same time keep supporting the live game.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 17:23:35 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing? No, because people were generally satisfied with existing offerings and understood that new genres of games require multiple teams. For example, the raid designers for WOW wouldn't be very good at designing Overwatch heroes, just like the sandbox designers for Diablo wouldn't do a great job at designing MMO PvP zones. That's not to say that there's zero overlap whatsoever, but different games with different goals require different sets of expertise. Good point.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 17:27:08 GMT
Im talking about base games, not expansions. WoW and Statecraft 2 are two base games. Their expansions are just.....expansions of those base games. MMO expansion require as much or sometimes even more work only in a shorter amount of time. Usually devs have 2 years for making a complete full expansion (which isn't a 10 hour dlc) and at the same time keep supporting the live game. The length of developmemt doesnt mean it is a different game. An expansion is an expansion, no matter if it takes 5 months or 4 years to develop. Now if we get a Starcraft 3 or a WoW 2, those would be new games. SWTOR is just 1 game. Knights of the Fallen Empire etc are just expansions.
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Post by giubba on Feb 25, 2018 17:35:15 GMT
MMO expansion require as much or sometimes even more work only in a shorter amount of time. Usually devs have 2 years for making a complete full expansion (which isn't a 10 hour dlc) and at the same time keep supporting the live game. The length of developmemt doesnt mean it is a different game. An expansion is an expansion, no matter if it takes 5 months or 4 years to develop. Now if we get a Starcraft 3 or a WoW 2, those would be new games. SWTOR is just 1 game. Knights of the Fallen Empire etc are just expansions. Mate you were the one who was bitching about quantity over quality saying that blizzard put out less game than bioware in a time span of 10 years. Which is false I dunno how much you want to twist your initial post but fact are simple. MMO expansion aren't DLC they require massive amount of money,time and people to create just as much content a normal game have with the sole exception they scope is reduced but we are still talking about creating new classes,doing from scratch dozens of new models,texture mesh etc.,area,dungeons,raid,balance everything and shipping out in a period that it's usually the half on normal game development cycle (2 years instead of 4).
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 17:44:42 GMT
The length of developmemt doesnt mean it is a different game. An expansion is an expansion, no matter if it takes 5 months or 4 years to develop. Now if we get a Starcraft 3 or a WoW 2, those would be new games. SWTOR is just 1 game. Knights of the Fallen Empire etc are just expansions. Mate you were the one who was bitching about quantity over quality saying that blizzard put out less game than bioware in a time span of 10 years. Which is false I dunno how much you want to twist your initial post but fact are simple. MMO expansion aren't DLC they require massive amount of money,time and people to create just as much content a normal game have with the sole exception they scope is reduced but we are still talking about creating new classes,doing from scratch dozens of new models,texture mesh etc.,area,dungeons,raid,balance everything and shipping out in a period that it's usually the half on normal game development cycle (2 years instead of 4). No, you are jusy trying to combine expansions with base games in order to debunk my statement about Blizzard producing less games between 2003 and now. You know that if you only include base games such as WoW, Diablo 3, Statecraft 2, Overwatch, then it would be clear that Blizzard produced less games. But you cannot allow that to be right so you add in expansions and act like they are brand new games. The time and money isnt what makes a new game a game, if thats the case, then DA2 isnt a new game but just am expansion because I am sure there are some MMO expansions that took more time and cost more money to make. So is that the conclusion? DA2 is simply an expansion and not a base game? What about KOTOR 2 from Obsidian or Baulders Gate 2? Both games tool less time and money to make compared to some MMO expansions so I guess those are expansions 2 right?
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 25, 2018 17:51:43 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing? Overwatch had no serious impact on the mood of the Diablo boards. The daily amount of "not-Diablo 2" and so forth still persists. Yup Blizzard is dead because "not-Diablo 2". Sort of like the guys going Bioware is dead because of "not-KOTOR", or "not ME" or "not -Shepard" or "not BG or DAO". You get the picture.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 18:01:34 GMT
Speaking of Blizzard, anyone hang out in the WOW or Diablo boards? Was there quite as much doom & gloom before the release of Overwatch as we're seeing here? WOW players bemoaning the prostitution of their beloved game studio to icky FPS players, lootboxification, "I hope it fails so Blizzard can get back to doing more Diablo", that sort of thing? Overwatch had no serious impact on the mood of the Diablo boards. The daily amount of "not-Diablo 2" and so forth still persists. Yup Blizzard is dead because "not-Diablo 2". Sort of like the guys going Bioware is dead because of "not-KOTOR", or "not ME" or "not -Shepard" or "not BG or DAO". You get the picture. And yet the future of Blizzard did not hang in the balance based on Overwatch the same way Bioware's is dependant on Anthem. Also Blizzard hasnt released a meme generator game that couldnt crack an 80%+ avg review score.....
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