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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 25, 2018 22:10:08 GMT
At some point I'm thinking I'll play a Brosca, and I've got a couple things I'm curious about.
1. Dude or gal the better experience? How come?
2. If gal, do you do anything to reconcile Brosca's corpse being male when it shows up in Garcia's dungeon for the other Wardens? Or since that one doesn't get noticed as often, do you do anything to reconcile Lady Aeducans with them being referred to as Endrin's "son" elsewhere since that's kind of the same?
3. On that note how does Lady Aeducan compare to Lord Aeducan? I couldn't get into a male Aeducan, but could maybe give the background another try with a good reason to try with the opposite gender.
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Post by Curious Crow on Feb 25, 2018 23:10:15 GMT
1. I like the concept of guy better, since I like the whole little brother with a chip on his shoulder wanting to protect his sis, even if she's the one who has been protecting the family proper. But I also found lady Brosca fun to play. So no comment.
2. What happens in alternate universes is none of my concern. Did you know that in one of them Arl Howe was the Gray Warden who saved the world? Madness I tells ya. Either way, that fellow is in there even if you are a Brosca so nothing to reconcile there. And well, with Lady Aeducan the alternate universe excuse.
3. I have three completed runs with a Lady Aeducan, zero with the Lord. So my preference is clear. Or maybe I just really, really like Lady Dwarves. But if you want to see Gorim being charming, that is one reason to try the Lady path.
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Post by olnorton on Feb 25, 2018 23:18:16 GMT
For Brosca's, it pretty much the same with either sex. The one thing the Lord Aeducan has over the lady, is he can have a son with Mardy. The boy is born casteless because even thou Mardy is not casteless, the boy takes his caste from his father. (who is an exile) But you get to name him, and can have him gain noble status.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 25, 2018 23:34:24 GMT
*TRAVERSES THE UNIVERSE* YOU CALLED?! 1. Dude or gal the better experience? How come? They're both great. Either way, you're fighting to protect your sister - and she's fighting to protect you, in her own way. This is especially poignant as a female character because she explicitly says her work has kept you from "buying your future with what's between your legs." She makes that sacrifice so you don't have to, and that's something that's brought up over and over, with your own mother saying she would've put you on a street corner by now if it wasn't for Rica, and numerous NPCs talking about how you're only as good as your vagina. As a guy, your mother and other NPCs frequently bring up the fact that no woman will ever want you because you can only give them casteless brats and drag their name through the mud. The Proving scene is epic no matter what, but as a woman... Doesn't matter because stuff like this happens because male is the assumed default, which is shitty but hey, it happens. I figure a corpse is just a big blobby bloaty looking thing by that point anyway so I don't pay it any mind. Two, both male-corpse-Brosca and son-Aeducan only appear if you don't choose those origins, so if you do choose them it's irrelevant. Love it, but I love male Aeducan too so I don't know if that helps. It puts a different dynamic on your relationships, not only the obvious ones (like Gorim), but the game paints you as kind of a daddy's girl and Bhelen's betrayal is a whole 'nother level of horrifying when you consider he exiled you to the Deep Roads where, if you didn't stumble upon Duncan and co., you could've been captured and turned into a Broodmother. There's also the fact that the Assembly was considering making you queen (preferring you over the elder brother and heir) which is rare in and of itself. There are numerous moments where people seem to expect you to be delicate because you're a woman, or they underestimate you as a warrior despite your name (and bitchin' armor, but I digress).
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Post by copper on Feb 26, 2018 0:01:43 GMT
I tend to prefer male Brosca and female Aeducan, though I don't really have a problem with the reverse. I think it strikes me as more plausible for Brosca to be male simply because the casteless are so desperate to make ends meet. Having two daughters working as noble hunters increases the odds that one of them will have a son with some noble, rather than putting all the hope on Rica. So if Brosca is female, I don't see why she wouldn't need to be a noble hunter as well regardless of whether she wants to or not, as bleak as that is. For Lady Aeducan I just enjoy Gorim and challenging Orzammar's patriarchy.
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Post by Sokemis on Feb 26, 2018 1:41:43 GMT
Love my female Brosca (though to be fair, haven't really played as a male). The way I play her she was rude, crude, and sarcastic, cut her hair very short, got a tattoo - all things Rica encouraged to make her less desirable as a noble hunter. The warden is portrayed as the one fighting to protect their sister. I like to think that, in her own way, Rica has been fighting all along to protect her little sister from being forced into becoming a noble hunter like she was.
Haven't played Aeducan enough to truly have an opinion either way. Mine was a female, played her a bit "high and mighty" (aka she was a bitch) so didn't even go the possible Gorim secret romance route.
ETA: as far as the gender difference when playing as a different Origin - parallel universes and all that...
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 26, 2018 2:18:42 GMT
Lots of interesting insights, I appreciate it from y'all. Love it, but I love male Aeducan too so I don't know if that helps. The one thing the Lord Aeducan has over the lady, is he can have a son with Mardy. The boy is born casteless because even thou Mardy is not casteless, the boy takes his caste from his father. (who is an exile) But you get to name him, and can have him gain noble status. Yeah, I tried this with my Lord Aeducan, but it didn't play as big a role as I would've liked, and I was disappointed especially that there was no ability to get a little bit of brotherly bonding with Bhelen over the whole thing. That's part of the problem with Aeducan in general that I had previously, since it felt like there wasn't enough "special" about Orzammar for him. At least, I was thinking, with a Lady Aeducan, I wouldn't feel as compelled to do the Mardy plot, and thus feel like it, in turn, was kind of anticlimactic. 2. What happens in alternate universes is none of my concern. Did you know that in one of them Arl Howe was the Gray Warden who saved the world? Madness I tells ya. Either way, that fellow is in there even if you are a Brosca so nothing to reconcile there. Doesn't matter because stuff like this happens because male is the assumed default, which is shitty but hey, it happens. I figure a corpse is just a big blobby bloaty looking thing by that point anyway so I don't pay it any mind. Two, both male-corpse-Brosca and son-Aeducan only appear if you don't choose those origins, so if you do choose them it's irrelevant. I have this weird compulsion to see it all as a shared universe, but perhaps I just need to learn to cast that aside. I'm curious, though, 'cause Curious Crow said the corpse appears is Brosca's cell even if you play a Brosca, and vertigomez said it doesn't? Which is it? All else being equal (and people have definitely given decent arguments for both sides), I personally lean towards dude Brosca, just because I feel like I play a lot of female Wardens and it's nice to have a little balance. But if there's a body in the cell either way, that sort of supports my "shared universe" and takes away the biggest argument against gal Brosca, at least. . There's also the fact that the Assembly was considering making you queen (preferring you over the elder brother and heir) which is rare in and of itself. For Lady Aeducan I just enjoy Gorim and challenging Orzammar's patriarchy. These are really interesting points, too. Are there any references in the lore to any queens of Orzammar? Several kings get mentioned, but I can't remember a single queen, and even if, therefore, the Aeducan Warden can't, ultimately, be one either, just the dynamic of it being a consideration does make it fascinating.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 26, 2018 2:39:35 GMT
Lazarillo My mistake, the corpse appears if you don't play Brosca. But if you do then Leske's free and you never run into it afaik. FWIW I felt like there was enough brotherly bonding, but only in the sense that Bhelen's always going to be kind of an asshole and Warden Aeducan can either choose to accept that or.... not. But he does restore your caste and title and says he's glad you put Orzammar ahead of your own grievances, and that's as much as I can expect from him. According to the wiki (and Bhelen, if you ask him why Trian considers you a threat), there have been dwarven queens before. Just not very many. Getha: One of few queens mentioned by name. In the second year of her reign she sent the entire Legion of Steel, an all-golem regiment, to recover Paragon Caridin but none returned. Due to the incalculable loss of the Legion of Steel, Queen Getha was deposed. Queen Valda Aeducan: Ruler during the Storm Age. She forged a trade agreement with Emperor Etienne I of Orlais in 7:80 Storm and gifted him a bronto trophy to commemorate this event.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 2:45:08 GMT
I've played a Aeducan before. He was a Morrigan romancer, who took Merdi on her deal. He was very practical and no nonsense. I liked my Aeducan (who left Loghain alive, btw, and Alistair is a drunk somewhere...)
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Post by mousestalker on Feb 26, 2018 3:02:22 GMT
I have played both dwarven origins as both sexes. It doesn't much matter which you choose as the differences are fairly trivial. Sex with the human noble epilogue matters more and the city elf origin plays differently. With the female dwarf noble origin you have the opportunity to have a bittersweet romance with Gorim (which I wallow in). With the male noble origin you can help make a baby. With the casteless origin, there is even less difference. Play what you enjoy and what makes you comfortable. As vertigomez noted the female casteless reveal is epic-er. Video of that (spoilered): The only recommendation I make is that if you play dwarf commoner you take Morrigan with you when you explore the palace in Orzammar. There is a very small bit of dialogue that will happen. Also, if you like having a wealthy Warden, the dwarf noble will give you that. You have the chance to start the main story with a good chunk of cash and a certain merchant in Denerim will buy from you at double the normal price.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 3:07:31 GMT
I have played both dwarven origins as both sexes. It doesn't much matter which you choose as the differences are fairly trivial. Sex with the human noble epilogue matters more and the city elf origin plays differently. With the dwarf noble origin you have the opportunity to have a bittersweet romance with Gorim (which I wallow in). With the male noble origin you can help make a baby. With the casteless origin, there is even less difference. Play what you enjoy and what makes you comfortable. Yeah, I failed Morrigan in that respect because my Dwarf turned around and say a big no to it. And he was romancing her. It was hilarious, If you will
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Post by Curious Crow on Feb 26, 2018 14:15:32 GMT
Lazarillo In my game John Carpet appears both as a Brosca and an Aeducan (presumably as the others too, but haven't got any testers). He aint even branded either. So I'm guessing he's just Leske's other friend and Brosca got skewered somewhere along their rampage through the Carta hideout and their remains fed to Javia's deepstalkers.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Feb 26, 2018 18:16:21 GMT
I tend to prefer male Brosca and female Aeducan, though I don't really have a problem with the reverse. I think it strikes me as more plausible for Brosca to be male simply because the casteless are so desperate to make ends meet. Having two daughters working as noble hunters increases the odds that one of them will have a son with some noble, rather than putting all the hope on Rica. So if Brosca is female, I don't see why she wouldn't need to be a noble hunter as well regardless of whether she wants to or not, as bleak as that is. For Lady Aeducan I just enjoy Gorim and challenging Orzammar's patriarchy. Not all casteless women are noble hunters though. Look at Jarvia or Sigrun. And Rica did her best to stop the warden having to do that.
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Post by copper on Feb 26, 2018 19:30:38 GMT
I tend to prefer male Brosca and female Aeducan, though I don't really have a problem with the reverse. I think it strikes me as more plausible for Brosca to be male simply because the casteless are so desperate to make ends meet. Having two daughters working as noble hunters increases the odds that one of them will have a son with some noble, rather than putting all the hope on Rica. So if Brosca is female, I don't see why she wouldn't need to be a noble hunter as well regardless of whether she wants to or not, as bleak as that is. For Lady Aeducan I just enjoy Gorim and challenging Orzammar's patriarchy. Not all casteless women are noble hunters though. Look at Jarvia or Sigrun. And Rica did her best to stop the warden having to do that. That's a good point. My impression though was that being a noble hunter requires funding, since Beraht was paying for Rica to be dolled up and educated on how to be most appealing to nobles. Jarvia and Sigrun likely didn't have anyone willing to sponsor them. Brosca had to be one of Beraht's lowly minions to help pay that debt off if I remember correctly. It's certainly possible that Beraht wasn't willing to sponsor two Brosca sisters, preferring to have our Brosca work off the debt as insurance in case Rica never has a son. For me personally I still probably prefer male Brosca but I think there's room to justify a Brosca of either gender.
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