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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 27, 2018 19:39:50 GMT
For some reason, I always thought Anthem being a live-service game wasn't originally the plan but that they created the first prepwork for building a new IP and then came the mandate "make this online-DRM-MTX-crap-whatever and chase the Destiny fad!" from EA because Casey left right around that time and I thought he was gonna be in charge. Anyway today i was reminded of the thing that Mac said at the end of this video. "Here's what the world is doing right now -- come and play!". What I thought was just Mac trying to conjure up phrases that sounded cool, I now realize he must've been referring to the live-nature of the game.
At its worst I feared Anthem was going to get cannibalized from its initial pitch into an MMO-like live-structure that would then wear it down and lameify the concept but knowing they actually planned for this and that this live-service nature must've been part of Casey calling this "The Bob Dylan of video games" is at least assuring to me in that it's BioWare's initiative and they're actually being fancy with it (hopefully).
Mike Laidlaw was also interviewed by GI recently where he implied that if Anthem becomes what its potential is which he likens to Divinity 2 and its "reactive narrative co-op experience" he thinks it will be an achievement. I think that is a bit if and I think he's implying the game, like all other BioWare games or any other general game has the risk of being what he calls "crumbled" where you downscope a game for either technical or budgetary reasons.
I'm hoping what Mac said ends up being as smart and cool in execution as the coolness and smartness of that phrasing.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 28, 2018 21:20:39 GMT
Just like a lot of things in gaming "Live service" I think there are different variations with developers and the online personalities will take all the most negative aspects combine them together and then brush all games with "live service" as that one ultimate evil.
What I have gathered from AskAGameDev and other articles is that for the developers they are talking to "live service" is pretty much adding and taking content from a game without a patch. So if they are just doing activities even if a grind like ME3MP weekend challenges I am fine with them being in the game for I am the type of person after awhile needs a goal to continue to play a game.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 1, 2018 3:22:46 GMT
For some reason, I always thought Anthem being a live-service game wasn't originally the plan but that they created the first prepwork for building a new IP and then came the mandate "make this online-DRM-MTX-crap-whatever and chase the Destiny fad!" from EA because Casey left right around that time and I thought he was gonna be in charge. Anyway today i was reminded of the thing that Mac said at the end of this video. "Here's what the world is doing right now -- come and play!". What I thought was just Mac trying to conjure up phrases that sounded cool, I now realize he must've been referring to the live-nature of the game. At its worst I feared Anthem was going to get cannibalized from its initial pitch into an MMO-like live-structure that would then wear it down and lameify the concept but knowing they actually planned for this and that this live-service nature must've been part of Casey calling this "The Bob Dylan of video games" is at least assuring to me in that it's BioWare's initiative and they're actually being fancy with it (hopefully). Mike Laidlaw was also interviewed by GI recently where he implied that if Anthem becomes what its potential is which he likens to Divinity 2 and its "reactive narrative co-op experience" he thinks it will be an achievement. I think that is a bit if and I think he's implying the game, like all other BioWare games or any other general game has the risk of being what he calls "crumbled" where you downscope a game for either technical or budgetary reasons. I'm hoping what Mac said ends up being as smart and cool in execution as the coolness and smartness of that phrasing. I have this gut feeling that Anthem in the embryo stages was a standard SP Bioware game that eventually morphed into what it is now.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 1, 2018 3:30:28 GMT
Just like a lot of things in gaming "Live service" I think there are different variations with developers and the online personalities will take all the most negative aspects combine them together and then brush all games with "live service" as that one ultimate evil. What I have gathered from AskAGameDev and other articles is that for the developers they are talking to "live service" is pretty much adding and taking content from a game without a patch. So if they are just doing activities even if a grind like ME3MP weekend challenges I am fine with them being in the game for I am the type of person after awhile needs a goal to continue to play a game. Many of you here doubt the ambition of EA....
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 1, 2018 4:50:07 GMT
Just like a lot of things in gaming "Live service" I think there are different variations with developers and the online personalities will take all the most negative aspects combine them together and then brush all games with "live service" as that one ultimate evil. What I have gathered from AskAGameDev and other articles is that for the developers they are talking to "live service" is pretty much adding and taking content from a game without a patch. So if they are just doing activities even if a grind like ME3MP weekend challenges I am fine with them being in the game for I am the type of person after awhile needs a goal to continue to play a game. Many of you here doubt the ambition of EA.... Just like how people want to ignore the crap other developers and publishers pull and only outrage when its EA.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 1, 2018 11:34:34 GMT
True enough, but the crucial part is that it isn't ONLY that. Live service also means always online DRM, likely a focus on MP, MTX/LB, blocking any kind of modding / hacking / cheating (because again, not a true SP game), etc. Of course, it's in the interest of those companies to downplay all aspects that people wouldn't like in particular. Sure, though views vary. From my perspective: - always online DRM - a legitimate means to an end, not something that has ever troubled me.
- a focus on MP - I like multiplayer
- blocking any kind of modding / hacking / cheating - again, no problem here, ban the cheaters.
- MTX/LB - If they are predatory that would be an issue, otherwise, {shrug}...
In short, there is nothing here (aside from MTX done badly) that would deter me at all. But that's a personal view, I don't know where the consensus among paying customers sits...
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 1, 2018 11:43:09 GMT
- blocking any kind of modding / hacking / cheating - again, no problem here, ban the cheaters...
If the official idea of gameplay, progress, mechanics suck, you can't easily mod it to your liking. Your stuck with the official idea how to play the game. And if that kinda sucks - tough luck. They can even introduce new mechanics that might break it for you - you might end up with a game you don't want to play anymore after an update. Be it grind, powercreep, p2w or a character face you really despise. MP always online has its risks and drawbacks.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 1, 2018 12:05:25 GMT
Good for you? I suspect that you are more than aware that there's a significant portion of gamers that at best tolerates MP. Sure, though the player numbers for multiplayer games would suggest that such a group is rather in the minority. I'm not saying that 'single-player' aficionados should not be catered to, but 'multiplayer' is not a dirty word (if done well). And that line is fairly thin. In any case, I wouldn't tolerate MT in a SP game, not MT that sell cosmetics / weapons, etc. Anthem is not a SP game, however, so we'll see how the MTX's are handled.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 1, 2018 12:21:52 GMT
It's a fallacy to suggest that because something is popular everything should be made in a similar way, that's the surest way to create over-saturation and genre fatigue. In any case, I'm not complaining about the popularity of MP games, I'm merely stating that at best I can tolerate that aspect if a game is amazing otherwise, and that's a big if. Sure, not everything should be PUBG. I don't know who suggested that fallacy, it wasn't me. Pulling off a successful story-based game with live elements does not appear to be over-saturated. If BioWare can manage it, good for them, it's by no means a risk-free endeavor. And you may simply not be the target customer if multiplayer causes so many concerns, there are other games.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 1, 2018 12:35:36 GMT
Hey, I just... Maybe he meant to say: "...come and pay!"?
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 1, 2018 13:36:25 GMT
Many of you here doubt the ambition of EA.... Just like how people want to ignore the crap other developers and publishers pull and only outrage when its EA. You mean by consuming devs and making them push out games that are aimed less on quality and more on getting the instant buck based on the current trend and then when that dev runs dry they close them down? Other publishers besides EA does that? Or how about when a CEO makes comments about how they see the future if gaming where people will be enticed to buy ammo in the middle of a firefight because they are low on ammo and are not price sensitive at that point? Other CEOs besides from the ones at EA said that? Or how they acquire the exclusive rights to Star Wars and make a game where your progression is tied to random luck and to ease this, must buy loot boxes to progress at a normal rate. Other games did that? Star Wars Battlefront 2 from Pandemic did that? Yeah, you defend EA cause buy proxy attacking EA is also attacking Anthem cause you know Anthem is tied to the ambition and endeavors of EA and also that if Anthem fails, Bioware will become another victim of EA and join Visceral, Maxis, Pandemic and the others. EA is the largest publisher and has the most influence. So of course people will crap on EA more. Doesnt make it right but at the same time, that doesn't make what EA does right as well.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 1, 2018 13:48:31 GMT
Just like how people want to ignore the crap other developers and publishers pull and only outrage when its EA. You mean by consuming devs and making them push out games that are aimed less on quality and more on getting the instant buck based on the current trend and then when that dev runs dry they close them down? Other publishers besides EA does that? Or how about when a CEO makes comments about how they see the future if gaming where people will be enticed to buy ammo in the middle of a firefight because they are low on ammo and are not price sensitive at that point? Other CEOs besides from the ones at EA said that? Or how they acquire the exclusive rights to Star Wars and make a game where your progression is tied to random luck and to ease this, must buy loot boxes to progress at a normal rate. Other games did that? Star Wars Battlefront 2 from Pandemic did that? Yeah, you defend EA cause buy proxy attacking EA is also attacking Anthem cause you know Anthem is tied to the ambition and endeavors of EA and also that if Anthem fails, Bioware will become another victim of EA and join Visceral, Maxis, Pandemic and the others. Sigh, how about what Konami has done with Metal Gear? They are currently charging $10 for additional save slots, how about Activision and they have a mode in Call of Duty that gives you in game lootboxes for watching people open boxes, Blizzard that side stepped a Chinese law requiring odds to be displayed by selling keys and including lootboxes as a "bonus". Bethesda that raised the price of their season pass because they determined the "great" content they were delivering for Fallout 4 required the price to be increased by $20, not to mention Gearbox and the Colonial Marines or Duke Nukem fiasco, and not to mention the shoehorning of Praxis Kit DLC into Mankind Divided. Of course nobody else can mess with Star Wars, but there have been plenty of other IPs that have been trashed by bad games a big example could have been the Alien franchise with Colonial Marines or the recent Tony Hawk game by Activision. EA CEO steps down after making stupid comment, internet will forever blame the company that he has left, instead of worrying that he might do that to the Unity engine. Personally if they are not firing everyone that was on a development team when they close a studio, I really don't care if a studio closes and frankly there haven't been the reports of all those people in Canada that are out of work because EA closed Visceral and BioWare Montreal, there were reports about how they were moving into Motive. Edit: Forgot about WBIE and how they were exploiting the death of an employee to sell DLC and wouldn't tell people outside a few specific states where the money was going to go and when they changed the policy they blamed the people who were concerned they were going to profit from it and how they was going to hurt the family. There was how Rocksteady released a broken game, never fully fixed it for the PC and made an open world cash grab as well to sell more units of a game that didn't understand Batman. Edit 2: I also forgot how Square Enix is going to be breaking Final Fantasy VII into three separate games, how CDPR had the trading card game based on who you slept with in the first Witcher game, the Real Money Auction House in Diablo 3, Bethesda with Prey and how they made a completely new game based on an old IP to try and trick people. Ubisoft and how they are adding microtransactions to their existing games, Ubisoft releasing Assassin's Creed Unity in a broken state, again Ubisoft having different detection radius for collectibles in Assassin's Creed Syndicate if the map to show the locations with those items are from game currency or premium currency. I am not saying that EA hasn't done dumb or stupid things, but the internet commentators seems to focus on them and ignore the dumb and stupid things from other developers and publishers.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 1, 2018 15:23:20 GMT
You mean by consuming devs and making them push out games that are aimed less on quality and more on getting the instant buck based on the current trend and then when that dev runs dry they close them down? Other publishers besides EA does that? Or how about when a CEO makes comments about how they see the future if gaming where people will be enticed to buy ammo in the middle of a firefight because they are low on ammo and are not price sensitive at that point? Other CEOs besides from the ones at EA said that? Or how they acquire the exclusive rights to Star Wars and make a game where your progression is tied to random luck and to ease this, must buy loot boxes to progress at a normal rate. Other games did that? Star Wars Battlefront 2 from Pandemic did that? Yeah, you defend EA cause buy proxy attacking EA is also attacking Anthem cause you know Anthem is tied to the ambition and endeavors of EA and also that if Anthem fails, Bioware will become another victim of EA and join Visceral, Maxis, Pandemic and the others. Sigh, how about what Konami has done with Metal Gear? They are currently charging $10 for additional save slots, how about Activision and they have a mode in Call of Duty that gives you in game lootboxes for watching people open boxes, Blizzard that side stepped a Chinese law requiring odds to be displayed by selling keys and including lootboxes as a "bonus". Bethesda that raised the price of their season pass because they determined the "great" content they were delivering for Fallout 4 required the price to be increased by $20, not to mention Gearbox and the Colonial Marines or Duke Nukem fiasco, and not to mention the shoehorning of Praxis Kit DLC into Mankind Divided. Of course nobody else can mess with Star Wars, but there have been plenty of other IPs that have been trashed by bad games a big example could have been the Alien franchise with Colonial Marines or the recent Tony Hawk game by Activision. EA CEO steps down after making stupid comment, internet will forever blame the company that he has left, instead of worrying that he might do that to the Unity engine. Personally if they are not firing everyone that was on a development team when they close a studio, I really don't care if a studio closes and frankly there haven't been the reports of all those people in Canada that are out of work because EA closed Visceral and BioWare Montreal, there were reports about how they were moving into Motive. Edit: Forgot about WBIE and how they were exploiting the death of an employee to sell DLC and wouldn't tell people outside a few specific states where the money was going to go and when they changed the policy they blamed the people who were concerned they were going to profit from it and how they was going to hurt the family. There was how Rocksteady released a broken game, never fully fixed it for the PC and made an open world cash grab as well to sell more units of a game that didn't understand Batman. Edit 2: I also forgot how Square Enix is going to be breaking Final Fantasy VII into three separate games, how CDPR had the trading card game based on who you slept with in the first Witcher game, the Real Money Auction House in Diablo 3, Bethesda with Prey and how they made a completely new game based on an old IP to try and trick people. Ubisoft and how they are adding microtransactions to their existing games, Ubisoft releasing Assassin's Creed Unity in a broken state, again Ubisoft having different detection radius for collectibles in Assassin's Creed Syndicate if the map to show the locations with those items are from game currency or premium currency. I am not saying that EA hasn't done dumb or stupid things, but the internet commentators seems to focus on them and ignore the dumb and stupid things from other developers and publishers. So cause the CEO stepped down you are implying that EA has fundamentally changed for the better? Again, people bang on EA cause they are the biggest publisher and has the most influence. Just the nature of the beast. The ONLY REASON why EA stopped the lootboxes in BF2 is cause Disney jumped in. Had that never happened, EA would continue on as normal ignoring the concerns of the gamers. Guess what...there wont be a Disney to jump in for Anthem. You choose to think other wise cause EA owns Anthem and you don't want to see the EA hate train spill over to the reception of Anthem like it did with Battlefront 2 and MEA cause that would likely mean the end for Bioware. Its a defensive reaction.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 1, 2018 15:40:51 GMT
Isn't it pointless to argue whether EA is the worst or not? It's definitely one of the top dogs in a sea of sharks. the rest is just sEAmantics.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 1, 2018 16:04:44 GMT
So cause the CEO stepped down you are implying that EA has fundamentally changed for the better? Again, people bang on EA cause they are the biggest publisher and has the most influence. Just the nature of the beast. The ONLY REASON why EA stopped the lootboxes in BF2 is cause Disney jumped in. Had that never happened, EA would continue on as normal ignoring the concerns of the gamers. Guess what...there wont be a Disney to jump in for Anthem. You choose to think other wise cause EA owns Anthem and you don't want to see the EA hate train spill over to the reception of Anthem like it did with Battlefront 2 and MEA cause that would likely mean the end for Bioware. Its a defensive reaction. I am implying that influence that made that dumb comment is no longer there, so saying they said that comment isn't completely accurate because it was said by one person who has left and can only influence another company since EA never did that. Yes Disney stepped in, but if you want to hold everything that a CEO of EA says as a complete guarantee there is a comment from the current CEO that said the direction lootboxes went it was because of canon and Disney is the one that controls the canon. So there could be a lot more blame to look at Disney for this lootbox fiasco that people aren't seeing because EA won't publicly point a finger. Which easily means they went in a direction they didn't want to because Disney forced their hands which means Anthem won't have that problem since EA 100% owns it. Its easy to find directions things can go in since there is no proof either way. Besides the hate train is always going to be there against EA because people remember things they want to. Its just like what happened with Westwood, half the team quit the moment the company was sold to EA because they weren't as profitable as in the past so EA had to piece together a game from what someone else started and it failed. So then the studio closed because the developers abandoned ship. Now EA gets all the blame, but the people that worked there before share in that responsibility when they abandoned ship prior to EA being the "bad guy". Just like with all the "death of BioWare" you never know what might lead to the closure, for Visceral closed after bombing Dead Space 2, poor sales for Dead Space 3, a bad Battlefield spinoff, and reports of the new Disney game being mismanaged. Right now BioWare Montreal did close, but it is different then closing all of BioWare after one so-so game and whatever might happen with Anthem.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 1, 2018 16:05:30 GMT
Isn't it pointless to argue whether EA is the worst or not? It's definitely one of the top dogs in a sea of sharks. the rest is just sEAmantics. Saying its the worst of not is semantics, but what seems to be ignoring the overall trends in the industry is wearing blinders.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2018 3:58:59 GMT
So cause the CEO stepped down you are implying that EA has fundamentally changed for the better? Again, people bang on EA cause they are the biggest publisher and has the most influence. Just the nature of the beast. The ONLY REASON why EA stopped the lootboxes in BF2 is cause Disney jumped in. Had that never happened, EA would continue on as normal ignoring the concerns of the gamers. Guess what...there wont be a Disney to jump in for Anthem. You choose to think other wise cause EA owns Anthem and you don't want to see the EA hate train spill over to the reception of Anthem like it did with Battlefront 2 and MEA cause that would likely mean the end for Bioware. Its a defensive reaction. I am implying that influence that made that dumb comment is no longer there, so saying they said that comment isn't completely accurate because it was said by one person who has left and can only influence another company since EA never did that. Yes Disney stepped in, but if you want to hold everything that a CEO of EA says as a complete guarantee there is a comment from the current CEO that said the direction lootboxes went it was because of canon and Disney is the one that controls the canon. So there could be a lot more blame to look at Disney for this lootbox fiasco that people aren't seeing because EA won't publicly point a finger. Which easily means they went in a direction they didn't want to because Disney forced their hands which means Anthem won't have that problem since EA 100% owns it. Its easy to find directions things can go in since there is no proof either way. Besides the hate train is always going to be there against EA because people remember things they want to. Its just like what happened with Westwood, half the team quit the moment the company was sold to EA because they weren't as profitable as in the past so EA had to piece together a game from what someone else started and it failed. So then the studio closed because the developers abandoned ship. Now EA gets all the blame, but the people that worked there before share in that responsibility when they abandoned ship prior to EA being the "bad guy". Just like with all the "death of BioWare" you never know what might lead to the closure, for Visceral closed after bombing Dead Space 2, poor sales for Dead Space 3, a bad Battlefield spinoff, and reports of the new Disney game being mismanaged. Right now BioWare Montreal did close, but it is different then closing all of BioWare after one so-so game and whatever might happen with Anthem.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2018 11:40:27 GMT
I expected clickbait, but that's an excellent video, thanks for sharing.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 2, 2018 14:23:35 GMT
Saying its the worst of not is semantics, but what seems to be ignoring the overall trends in the industry is wearing blinders. There is quite a lot of talk in regards to the others, like Konami for example (though with them I think just about everyone knew that MG Survive was going to be a disaster from the beginning). However, I think EA worked hard in order to generate the amount of ill will many gamers have towards them. Is it ALL justified? I don't know, and I don't particularly care at this point, what I do know is that EA is an industry leader when it comes to a lot of the things I despise in gaming. That said, I'm more than aware that they aren't alone in that. I avoided buying Shadow of War for example because of the cheats-for-sale that were shoved into it. Ye. #metoo
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 2, 2018 16:18:22 GMT
Saying its the worst of not is semantics, but what seems to be ignoring the overall trends in the industry is wearing blinders. There is quite a lot of talk in regards to the others, like Konami for example (though with them I think just about everyone knew that MG Survive was going to be a disaster from the beginning). However, I think EA worked hard in order to generate the amount of ill will many gamers have towards them. Is it ALL justified? I don't know, and I don't particularly care at this point, what I do know is that EA is an industry leader when it comes to a lot of the things I despise in gaming. That said, I'm more than aware that they aren't alone in that. I avoided buying Shadow of War for example because of the cheats-for-sale that were shoved into it. I meant my comment more about how the YouTube commentators have pretty much dropped talking about those issues, but there are still people making how evil EA is for those lootboxes at any moment they can. If the CEO of EA sneezes then lootboxes and Battlefront are some part of conspiracy about tissues.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2018 16:24:59 GMT
There is quite a lot of talk in regards to the others, like Konami for example (though with them I think just about everyone knew that MG Survive was going to be a disaster from the beginning). However, I think EA worked hard in order to generate the amount of ill will many gamers have towards them. Is it ALL justified? I don't know, and I don't particularly care at this point, what I do know is that EA is an industry leader when it comes to a lot of the things I despise in gaming. That said, I'm more than aware that they aren't alone in that. I avoided buying Shadow of War for example because of the cheats-for-sale that were shoved into it. I meant my comment more about how the YouTube commentators have pretty much dropped talking about those issues, but there are still people making how evil EA is for those lootboxes at any moment they can. If the CEO of EA sneezes then lootboxes and Battlefront are some part of conspiracy about tissues. Again, goo.gl/images/hMXXLg
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2018 17:08:45 GMT
I avoided buying Shadow of War for example because of the cheats-for-sale that were shoved into it. I enjoyed playing Shadow of War because those chests were optional. If I felt forced to buy those chests that would have been different.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2018 17:38:10 GMT
*shrug* I don't care either way, I have no desire to support this practice. If I want to cheat in a SP game I will do it on my own thank you very much, I don't need the developer's permission and will certainly not pay for the privilege. Indeed. Though I'm seeing some argue that they won't buy a game because they include such features. I don't see why the existence of an optional feature I won't use would deter me from buying a game I will otherwise enjoy.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 2, 2018 18:54:02 GMT
*shrug* I don't care either way, I have no desire to support this practice. If I want to cheat in a SP game I will do it on my own thank you very much, I don't need the developer's permission and will certainly not pay for the privilege. Indeed. Though I'm seeing some argue that they won't buy a game because they include such features. I don't see why the existence of an optional feature I won't use would deter me from buying a game I will otherwise enjoy. To put some clarification on the issue, the controversy was related to ability to either grind away for hours and build up your army enough to win at the end or just buy your army as a shortcut. I've never played "Shadow of War" so this is based on things I've heard and read but what was conveyed was the amount of time building your army to "win" at the end was borderline prohibitive, thus, making buying your army more attractive.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2018 19:25:13 GMT
To put some clarification on the issue, the controversy was related to ability to either grind away for hours and build up your army enough to win at the end or just buy your army as a shortcut. I've never played "Shadow of War" so this is based on things I've heard and read but what was conveyed was the amount of time building your army to "win" at the end was borderline prohibitive, thus, making buying your army more attractive. Yes, I realize that in Shadow of War's case there's a side question of how long it takes to collect the army / find the zots / to finish the game. I remember Dragon Age Inquisition being criticised for requiring power points / collect enough fade-touched materials / to complete a playthrough. How do you balance the needs of those who want to play for 1,000 hours, vs. those who want to bang through the game in 10...? That question gains an extra dimension if you can 'pay' to short-cut that process. Will Anthem allow people to optionally 'buy' souped-up Javelins to save their time? Will Dragon Age 4 allow people to optionally 'buy' crafting materials to save their time?
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