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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 8, 2018 17:33:44 GMT
And the absence of verifiable facts means that people will provide their own to support their narrative Kind of like how people claimed that in no way would EA not produce DLC for MEA because apparently EA "was pleased" with the success of MEA and will not miss out on extra money..... ....then when it was confirmed that no DLC was coming, those same people then shifted their stance and claimed that EA never planned on doing DLC as they wanted all resources focused on Anthem. Yup
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 8, 2018 17:40:03 GMT
And the absence of verifiable facts means that people will provide their own to support their narrative Kind of like how people claimed that in no way would EA not produce DLC for MEA because apparently EA "was pleased" with the success of MEA and will not miss out on extra money..... ....then when it was confirmed that no DLC was coming, those same people then shifted their stance and claimed that EA never planned on doing DLC as they wanted all resources focused on Anthem. Yup And you don't like BioWare or their games, as thousands of your forum posts with attest to, so it's not a shock you would have a negative view of "Anthem" and it's potential.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 8, 2018 17:43:37 GMT
Kind of like how people claimed that in no way would EA not produce DLC for MEA because apparently EA "was pleased" with the success of MEA and will not miss out on extra money..... ....then when it was confirmed that no DLC was coming, those same people then shifted their stance and claimed that EA never planned on doing DLC as they wanted all resources focused on Anthem. Yup And you don't like BioWare or their games, as thousands of your forum posts with attest to, so it's not a shock you would have a negative view of "Anthem" and it's potential. So not liking MEA, DAI or the premise of Anthem equates to me not liking Bioware games? Despite me liking KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME1-ME3, DAO, and DA2? And if you hung around the MEA forums pre launch you would have seen how excited I was for MEA Come on....try harder.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 8, 2018 17:47:58 GMT
And you don't like BioWare or their games, as thousands of your forum posts with attest to, so it's not a shock you would have a negative view of "Anthem" and it's potential. So not liking MEA, DAI or the premise of Anthem equates to me not liking Bioware games? Come on....try harder. Yeah, not liking "DAI" and "MEA", which are BioWare games, equates to not liking games BioWare produces... I don't have to try harder, your posts do all the heavy lifting.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 8, 2018 19:23:17 GMT
So not liking MEA, DAI or the premise of Anthem equates to me not liking Bioware games? Come on....try harder. Yeah, not liking "DAI" and "MEA", which are BioWare games, equates to not liking games BioWare produces... I don't have to try harder, your posts do all the heavy lifting. Ah, so I like the majority of Bioware games except for a few so that equates to not liking Bioware. Lol, I am sure there are a number of women Im not attracted to,I guess that means I dont like women. Either way, still doesnt change how people changed their tune regarding MEA DLC after it was confirmed. The point is that people change and modify things to support their narrative. In this case, people couldn't for the love of God admit to MEA being failing so they create a narrative that explains lack of DLC without admitting to the failure of MEA and implying other reasons like EA planning this before launch.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 8, 2018 19:48:42 GMT
Yeah, not liking "DAI" and "MEA", which are BioWare games, equates to not liking games BioWare produces... I don't have to try harder, your posts do all the heavy lifting. Ah, so I like the majority of Bioware games except for a few so that equates to not liking Bioware. Lol, I am sure there are a number of women Im not attracted to,I guess that means I dont like women. Either way, still doesnt change how people changed their tune regarding MEA DLC after it was confirmed. The point is that people change and modify things to support their narrative. In this case, people couldn't for the love of God admit to MEA being failing so they create a narrative that explains lack of DLC without admitting to the failure of MEA and implying other reasons like EA planning this before launch. I'm referring to you not liking BioWare's latest entries and how it's colored your perception of both "Anthem" as a game and BioWare as a company. You non-nonsensical "women" analogy aside, it implied nothing more than that. As for the anticipation of ME:A's SP DLC, I was of the opinion BioWare would create it because they always have and it took something drastic like an entire studio being absorbed into another to keep it from happening. I, personally, never said it was guaranteed to happen but merely hopeful it would as there were a lot of unanswered questions. As for the ME:A as a "failure", EA is on record with their investors, which does carry some consequences if false statements are made, as saying ME:A was "significant financial contributor" to a successful Q4 2016, it was top ten in game sales for most of 2017 prior to the release of Destiny and Call of Duty, and it's lack of SP DLC was likely due to statistics related to post-release player engagement, customer perception and the desire to focus it's remaining resources on making sure "Anthem" did repeat the same mistakes as "ME:A".
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Post by Iakus on Mar 8, 2018 20:20:10 GMT
So not liking MEA, DAI or the premise of Anthem equates to me not liking Bioware games? Come on....try harder. Yeah, not liking "DAI" and "MEA", which are BioWare games, equates to not liking games BioWare produces... I don't have to try harder, your posts do all the heavy lifting.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 8, 2018 20:36:55 GMT
Yeah, not liking "DAI" and "MEA", which are BioWare games, equates to not liking games BioWare produces... I don't have to try harder, your posts do all the heavy lifting. Ah, the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy...didn't say he disliked ALL past BioWare games, nor that only a "True BioWare Fan" likes DAI and MEA... Just can't find any posts where he has anything positive about BioWare as a company, the games it produces or games it anticipates producing in the future. I haven't seen comments related to ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, or DA2 specifically so it's entirely possible he enjoyed past BioWare titles, based on his comment in this thread, and once held them in higher esteem which, obviously, is not the case now.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 8, 2018 22:34:47 GMT
Ah, the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy...didn't say he disliked ALL past BioWare games, nor that only a "True BioWare Fan" likes DAI and MEA... Just can't find any posts where he has anything positive about BioWare as a company, the games it produces or games it anticipates producing in the future. I haven't seen comments related to ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, or DA2 specifically so it's entirely possible he enjoyed past BioWare titles, based on his comment in this thread, and once held them in higher esteem which, obviously, is not the case now. Unfortunately around here it seems unless you cover all possible outcomes of your post there will be people that try and argue points you didn't make.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 8, 2018 22:59:55 GMT
Ah, so I like the majority of Bioware games except for a few so that equates to not liking Bioware. Lol, I am sure there are a number of women Im not attracted to,I guess that means I dont like women. Either way, still doesnt change how people changed their tune regarding MEA DLC after it was confirmed. The point is that people change and modify things to support their narrative. In this case, people couldn't for the love of God admit to MEA being failing so they create a narrative that explains lack of DLC without admitting to the failure of MEA and implying other reasons like EA planning this before launch. MJ, you're BSN 'family' so I say this kindly, I remember your posts on BSN Prime complaining about BioWare products, so if there are BioWare games you like it's been a long while... Am I right? The point you make about MEA DLC is partially fair in my view, there are some folk in denial, though I think most posters I come across on this forum are realistic, recognizing that not having DLC was a serious blow as it was clearly set up in the game (Quarian Ark and Mysterious benefactor). Even if it was always the plan not to start the work until post-launch, had the game been more successful I'm sure it would have happened. Perhaps you will love Anthem, who knows...
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 8, 2018 23:11:25 GMT
Ah, so I like the majority of Bioware games except for a few so that equates to not liking Bioware. Lol, I am sure there are a number of women Im not attracted to,I guess that means I dont like women. Either way, still doesnt change how people changed their tune regarding MEA DLC after it was confirmed. The point is that people change and modify things to support their narrative. In this case, people couldn't for the love of God admit to MEA being failing so they create a narrative that explains lack of DLC without admitting to the failure of MEA and implying other reasons like EA planning this before launch. MJ, you're BSN 'family' so I say this kindly, I remember your posts on BSN Prime complaining about BioWare products, so if there are BioWare games you like it's been a long while... Am I right? The point you make about MEA DLC is partially fair in my view, there are some folk in denial, though I think most posters I come across on this forum are realistic, recognizing that not having DLC was a serious blow as it was clearly set up in the game (Quarian Ark and Mysterious benefactor). Even if it was always the plan not to start the work until post-launch, had the game been more successful I'm sure it would have happened. Perhaps you will love Anthem, who knows... Deep down I WANT to like Anthem but it appears that Bioware is going into another direction. If Anthem was a new IP (which it is) that is a SP story driven game with decisions that have lasting impact on the world, then I would be an Anthem cheerleader, even if it doesnt have party members. Now I could be all wrong and if so, I will be the first to admit I was wrong and will eat a huge plate of crow. But Anthem to me seems like a radical departure from what I value in Bioware games. The E3 2017 video was oddly focused on MP/Group play. I feel that while Battlefront V is the main event for EA at E3, it will be Anthem that dominates the internet. Whether that is good or bad is dependent on what is shown regarding Anthem. Does Bioware double down and continue to hype the MP aspects of the game? Or do they show that they "still have it" and offer some solo and narrarive driven stuff with impactful choices?
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Post by ahglock on Mar 9, 2018 2:29:44 GMT
While to me it screams destiny clone and I hate Destiny, I'll point out that borderlands is the same style of game. And I love the borderlands games. Writing does make a difference, also I think borderlands did shooter game play better. So even if the game play is destiny like, it still can be a fun game. Ha, in all the time - I pretty much don't remember many - if any - referring to Borderlands. And that came before Destiny, no? Long before, borderlands 2 was 3 years earlier as well. I'm not sure they invented the loot and shoot game style, which really is just shooter diablo but its the one i have positive opinions of. I'm eagerly looking forward to borderlands 3. If they do what it looks like but with a good story and dialogue and solid RPG for the style of game mechanics it can be a really fun game. Destiny soured me on it as the recent example, but I reloaded borderlands and enjoyed it again.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 9, 2018 6:48:45 GMT
Does Bioware double down and continue to hype the MP aspects of the game? Or do they show that they "still have it" and offer some solo and narrarive driven stuff with impactful choices? And here's the heart of it. In announcing Anthem, BioWare barely described it as an 'action RPG'. It's a different thing. Holding it to a standard of similarity to past work is a misdirected expectation. This different game may turn out to be excellent (or not) but it needs to be judged on its own standards. You may find you like this new thing or find the 'old model' more your preference. But making the argument about how close it is to the old thing speaks more about what you personally have enjoyed in past BioWare games than a fair critique of what they are making now.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 9, 2018 13:42:04 GMT
Does Bioware double down and continue to hype the MP aspects of the game? Or do they show that they "still have it" and offer some solo and narrarive driven stuff with impactful choices? And here's the heart of it. In announcing Anthem, BioWare barely described it as an 'action RPG'. It's a different thing. Holding it to a standard of similarity to past work is a misdirected expectation. This different game may turn out to be excellent (or not) but it needs to be judged on its own standards. You may find you like this new thing or find the 'old model' more your preference. But making the argument about how close it is to the old thing speaks more about what you personally have enjoyed in past BioWare games than a fair critique of what they are making now. And thats ok if they want to go into another direction, but at least be blunt and open about it. When Bungie went in a different direction with Destiny, they were open and said early on the phrase, "MMOFPS" which set the tone for expectations of the game and how they want people to view it. They used terms like, "raids" and other stuff to set the tone for what this was. For Bioware, they seem to want to go the vague route and have the cake and eat it to. They want to appeal to a new audience while not on the dime turning away from their SP/RPG focused audience. Even CDPR has been more clearer on what Cyberpunk 2077 is and what to expect from it. But Bioware doesn't have a choice now with E3 this year, this is the last big event (there is also Gamescom in August but still) before their early Spring 2019 release to show off this game. Bioware will finally have to come clean and explain exactly what this game is. Will it upset people? Yes, but I am sure it will also awe a lot of people as well. They just need to be confident in their product.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 9, 2018 13:50:58 GMT
But Bioware doesn't have a choice now with E3 this year, this is the last big event (there is also Gamescom in August but still) before their early Spring 2019 release to show off this game. Bioware will finally have to come clean and explain exactly what this game is. Will it upset people? Yes, but I am sure it will also awe a lot of people as well. They just need to be confident in their product. Yes, I agree, they need to explain exactly what it is.Then those who won't like that can move on, those who it excites can get hyped, and those for whom it is a 'maybe' can continue to monitor the game.
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