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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 7, 2018 6:15:11 GMT
My point is you really don't know the cause of the problems you experienced or people on the BSN. Speaking for myself Andromeda worked much better then ME3 ever did with its netcode so it is better then prior BioWare games from my experience it might not be as good as current Dice games, but I remember the fiasco with Battlefield 4 as well. The reports if people want to believe them is there was management issues at BioWare Montreal and if that is the case that could just as easily been the problem. Just assuming that they weren't in communication narrows the focus on something where we have zero information aside from an end result. You are a rare bird. I know no one on this forum besides you who thinks that lag is a bigger factor in ME3 than MEAMP. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are in a small minority. Experienced lag in both, its... different. But as I stopped playing me3mp after ~23 hours, I dont think I've experienced the worst lags, but seen some videos In 1300 hours of MEAMP I've experienced the bad lag (rubberband-jumping) very rarely, lets say about 5% of time. Of course its annoying.. these were usually the far away hoster lobbies.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 7, 2018 10:24:27 GMT
You are a rare bird. I know no one on this forum besides you who thinks that lag is a bigger factor in ME3 than MEAMP. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are in a small minority. Experienced lag in both, its... different. But as I stopped playing me3mp after ~23 hours, I dont think I've experienced the worst lags, but seen some videos In 1300 hours of MEAMP I've experienced the bad lag (rubberband-jumping) very rarely, lets say about 5% of time. Of course its annoying.. these were usually the far away hoster lobbies. Lol. I played the game MEAMP for two weeks and was mysteriously killed by many different enemies instantly and from no where. That was lag just like DAIMP. I have played the opposite of you, and so our experiences don't match up - but I read your forums long enough to not believe your story as the normal case. Just because you don't see the rubber banding doesn't mean it isn't happening. MEAMP appears much smoother than it actually is.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 7, 2018 10:35:13 GMT
You are a rare bird. I know no one on this forum besides you who thinks that lag is a bigger factor in ME3 than MEAMP. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are in a small minority. I've read concerns about lag. I've not really experienced it much myself unless it's clear that a particular host is trying to connect to the internet with a potato. Then I have a beast of a broadband so I know the issue is not me.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 7, 2018 10:52:03 GMT
Experienced lag in both, its... different. But as I stopped playing me3mp after ~23 hours, I dont think I've experienced the worst lags, but seen some videos In 1300 hours of MEAMP I've experienced the bad lag (rubberband-jumping) very rarely, lets say about 5% of time. Of course its annoying.. these were usually the far away hoster lobbies. Lol. I played the game MEAMP for two weeks and was mysteriously killed by many different enemies instantly and from no where. That was lag just like DAIMP. I have played the opposite of you, and so our experiences don't match up - but I read your forums long enough to not believe your story as the normal case. Just because you don't see the rubber banding doesn't mean it isn't happening. MEAMP appears much smoother than it actually is. I also changed the secondary MP game from me3 to DAI, and havent experienced those kind of lags there either. Have been mostly playing with swedish lobby but sometimes in Ukraine too, no such mysterious kills have yet happened. I think they fixed a lot of bugs in those updates?
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Post by correctamundo on May 7, 2018 11:03:25 GMT
Lol. I played the game MEAMP for two weeks and was mysteriously killed by many different enemies instantly and from no where. That was lag just like DAIMP. I have played the opposite of you, and so our experiences don't match up - but I read your forums long enough to not believe your story as the normal case. Just because you don't see the rubber banding doesn't mean it isn't happening. MEAMP appears much smoother than it actually is. I also changed the secondary MP game from me3 to DAI, and havent experienced those kind of lags there either. Have been mostly playing with swedish lobby but sometimes in Ukraine too, no such mysterious kills have yet happened. I think they fixed a lot of bugs in those updates? Yes, your discussing with a person living in the past complaining of bugs and things that got patched out ages ago. Still no reason for Bioware to not up their game and work on getting rid of the lagging and rubberbanding entirely. It is still there from time to time and sometimes I get a good host that midgame seems to drop to crap bandwidth. Dedicated servers would be nice but even such games are not free from problems. My worst ever would be Path of exile but that has mainly been at League start. Still your pumped for the new League and the game is practically unplayable. Anyone remember "error 37"?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 7, 2018 11:08:18 GMT
I also changed the secondary MP game from me3 to DAI, and havent experienced those kind of lags there either. Have been mostly playing with swedish lobby but sometimes in Ukraine too, no such mysterious kills have yet happened. I think they fixed a lot of bugs in those updates? Yes, your discussing with a person living in the past complaining of bugs and things that got patched out ages ago. Still no reason for Bioware to not up their game and work on getting rid of the lagging and rubberbanding entirely. It is still there from time to time and sometimes I get a good host that midgame seems to drop to crap bandwidth. Dedicated servers would be nice but even such games are not free from problems. Yes as I said sometimes it can happen, but very rarely.. and I guess those mid game strangeties are about "some download in the bg, other started netflix, hosted from wi-fi/crap-no-bandwidth.." I know one place, which is in India, where I can guarantee random rubberbanding/cannot complete jumps -unfortunately its about the same for him if I host, so yeah, normal physics and shitty routing/bandwidth.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 7, 2018 12:31:01 GMT
Well, well... It seems many ( including me) had a misconception about EA forcing Bio to use its engine. It was back in 2013 that Bio approached EA for the purpose of using FB for their open world DA:I and ME:A. FB is great for rendering large open areas which is what the studio wanted but failed ( imo ) to properly analyze its weaknesses... ie: not suited for RPG style games. Laidlaw, if anyone remembers, complained that the studio had to build tools for RPG style play. So, EA did not mandate its use. For details go to: EngadgetRead 4th paragraph after Meanwhile, at Electronic Arts HQ if you want to zero in quickly. So, one can argue that Bio can use other RPG friendly engines if they want to. ME game assets are worthless now and can be scrapped. DA4 is a reboot (as I understand) so what's keeping Bio tied to FB3? Unless, the studio is no longer interested in RPG style games. EDIT PS: Also : Confirmed by FlynnI have no faith in BioWare even though I do fully expect Anthem to be incredible. I also thought it was a cost cutting measure EA had imposed on BioWare, but it looks like general management went ahead with Frostbite. I can see that if there were hefty incentives involved, but what a mistake. Yes, Frostbite is beautiful, but it was made for games like Battlefield. Inquisition winning Game of the Year gave those people all the confidence they needed to press ahead with Andromeda on Frostbite. Another mistake was leaving it to the Montreal team that was still learning the Frostbite engine themselves. It was like sink or swim and a lot of developers left. Another mistake was not clamping down on employees using Twitter under the company logo. HR and PR were asleep at the wheel or really had no authority. Another mistake was dropping Andromeda after polishing up to patch 1.10. F*** reading a book to finish the series. The revolving door of talent when the company used to be rated as Canada's top 100 just doesn't make any sense especially with the cash infusion from EA. EA is still a slimy publisher, but BioWare lost its' soul. The doctors leaving were an ominous and very telling sign how the company would proceed. Either way, I'm looking forward to Anthem, but I have no excitement or any expectations for Dragon Age 4. Anthem looks like a streaming dream come true and I really hope they polish this game. They can't afford another train wreck like Andromeda's launch. Sigh... I downloaded Andromeda to play it one more time on the game's anniversary and guess what? I'm bored with it. I'm stuck on Eos. The very same thing that happened when I played it on my friend's PS4 at launch.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 7, 2018 12:53:06 GMT
I also changed the secondary MP game from me3 to DAI, and havent experienced those kind of lags there either. Have been mostly playing with swedish lobby but sometimes in Ukraine too, no such mysterious kills have yet happened. I think they fixed a lot of bugs in those updates? Yes, your discussing with a person living in the past complaining of bugs and things that got patched out ages ago. Still no reason for Bioware to not up their game and work on getting rid of the lagging and rubberbanding entirely. It is still there from time to time and sometimes I get a good host that midgame seems to drop to crap bandwidth. Dedicated servers would be nice but even such games are not free from problems. My worst ever would be Path of exile but that has mainly been at League start. Still your pumped for the new League and the game is practically unplayable. Anyone remember "error 37"? No. I only ever played MEAMP as the fully patched game. I still have 2 hours on my uninstalled demo. You guys are funny, but everyone that played and enjoyed ME3MP and also played and enjoyed MEAMP, has no issues with admitting the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP regarding lag handling and performance. Ok, now tell me how your personal experience overrules my own, conventional wisdom and dozens of other firsthand accounts...
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Post by SofaJockey on May 7, 2018 12:53:15 GMT
How are you stuck?
the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP Krogan don't head-butt anymore ~ that needs to be called out...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 7, 2018 13:01:37 GMT
How are you stuck?
the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP Krogan don't head-butt anymore ~ that needs to be called out... Iirc, they only headbutt, and no longer pimpslap. Which is terrible enough, but if you mean you can't headbutt your teammates between waves, then, yeah.... fits haha! I
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Post by Sanunes on May 7, 2018 13:01:42 GMT
Yes, your discussing with a person living in the past complaining of bugs and things that got patched out ages ago. Still no reason for Bioware to not up their game and work on getting rid of the lagging and rubberbanding entirely. It is still there from time to time and sometimes I get a good host that midgame seems to drop to crap bandwidth. Dedicated servers would be nice but even such games are not free from problems. My worst ever would be Path of exile but that has mainly been at League start. Still your pumped for the new League and the game is practically unplayable. Anyone remember "error 37"? No. I only ever played MEAMP as the fully patched game. I still have 2 hours on my uninstalled demo. You guys are funny, but everyone that played and enjoyed ME3MP and also played and enjoyed MEAMP, has no issues with admitting the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP regarding lag handling and performance. Ok, now tell me how your personal experience overrules my own, conventional wisdom and dozens of other firsthand accounts... How does your personal experience overrule ours and the other firsthand accounts that were in this thread alone. Just because people aren't going to the threads you have seen people complaining doesn't mean there aren't people that do not have the same problems as you do, for its human nature to want to complain more then praise.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 7, 2018 13:14:18 GMT
How are you stuck?
Krogan don't head-butt anymore ~ that needs to be called out... Iirc, they only headbutt, and no longer pimpslap. Which is terrible enough, but if you mean you can't headbutt your teammates between waves, then, yeah.... fits haha! I Hmm? Can headbutt. There is no secondary melee anymore true. We usually do jump meleeing with teammates and ass shaking and swapping of weapons moves
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Post by SofaJockey on May 7, 2018 13:16:54 GMT
There's no grunt, it's just not as satisfying...
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 7, 2018 13:22:43 GMT
There's no grunt, it's just not as satisfying... mmkay... *touches his beard*
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Post by correctamundo on May 7, 2018 13:56:57 GMT
Yes, your discussing with a person living in the past complaining of bugs and things that got patched out ages ago. Still no reason for Bioware to not up their game and work on getting rid of the lagging and rubberbanding entirely. It is still there from time to time and sometimes I get a good host that midgame seems to drop to crap bandwidth. Dedicated servers would be nice but even such games are not free from problems. My worst ever would be Path of exile but that has mainly been at League start. Still your pumped for the new League and the game is practically unplayable. Anyone remember "error 37"? No. I only ever played MEAMP as the fully patched game. I still have 2 hours on my uninstalled demo. You guys are funny, but everyone that played and enjoyed ME3MP and also played and enjoyed MEAMP, has no issues with admitting the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP regarding lag handling and performance. Ok, now tell me how your personal experience overrules my own, conventional wisdom and dozens of other firsthand accounts... Whatever floats your boat then. I mean sure some lag now and then but "mysteriously killed by many different enemies instantly and from no where" sort of suggests that you are the rare bird. Not sanunes. Unless you are referring to teleporting synckills from Fiends and the likes that was patched out.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 7, 2018 14:19:09 GMT
There's no grunt, it's just not as satisfying... mmkay... *touches his beard* This is a thing of beauty...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 7, 2018 14:33:04 GMT
How does your personal experience overrule ours and the other firsthand accounts that were in this thread alone. Just because people aren't going to the threads you have seen people complaining doesn't mean there aren't people that do not have the same problems as you do, for its human nature to want to complain more then praise. Mine does not, and neither do the accounts in this thread. However, judging by total activity on this board across all forums, and by the players of MEAMP that still play ME3MP and post actively in that subforum, have many tales similar to mine. However you slice it, the netcode in both ME MP games is less than perfect. MEAMP, BioWare's second effort with FB3, is simply bad compared to BF/SWBF. Why?
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Post by Pounce de León on May 7, 2018 15:59:23 GMT
No. I only ever played MEAMP as the fully patched game. I still have 2 hours on my uninstalled demo. You guys are funny, but everyone that played and enjoyed ME3MP and also played and enjoyed MEAMP, has no issues with admitting the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP regarding lag handling and performance. Ok, now tell me how your personal experience overrules my own, conventional wisdom and dozens of other firsthand accounts... How does your personal experience overrule ours and the other firsthand accounts that were in this thread alone. Just because people aren't going to the threads you have seen people complaining doesn't mean there aren't people that do not have the same problems as you do, for its human nature to want to complain more then praise. I guess you're a late comer, too. These problems were pretty common in the beginning. Could be the load on match making, could have been the shiity state it was shipped in.
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Post by Sanunes on May 7, 2018 16:10:29 GMT
How does your personal experience overrule ours and the other firsthand accounts that were in this thread alone. Just because people aren't going to the threads you have seen people complaining doesn't mean there aren't people that do not have the same problems as you do, for its human nature to want to complain more then praise. I guess you're a late comer, too. These problems were pretty common in the beginning. Could be the load on match making, could have been the shiity state it was shipped in. I am not saying it has been perfect all along, just that its not the trainwreck compared to other games and if you are singling out the launch window which wasn't the impression the complaints were about. I think I have had issues with the MP on any game I have tried to play MP aspects of during the launch window. The only exception to that would have been the last expansion for World of Warcraft because they spread the load out across four zones. Player load is always a problem near launch because there is a high demand at that time because there are more people then there ever will be after that point.
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Post by Sanunes on May 7, 2018 16:15:36 GMT
How does your personal experience overrule ours and the other firsthand accounts that were in this thread alone. Just because people aren't going to the threads you have seen people complaining doesn't mean there aren't people that do not have the same problems as you do, for its human nature to want to complain more then praise. Mine does not, and neither do the accounts in this thread. However, judging by total activity on this board across all forums, and by the players of MEAMP that still play ME3MP and post actively in that subforum, have many tales similar to mine. However you slice it, the netcode in both ME MP games is less than perfect. MEAMP, BioWare's second effort with FB3, is simply bad compared to BF/SWBF. Why? It might have been the second game BioWare released with Frostbite, but the development time overlapped greatly with Inquisition so I don't think they could have made nearly as many improves as possible if it started development after Inquisition because they were stuck in the path they already started. There can be any number of reasons and plenty that I might not ever think of because I don't have to work on netcode or infrastructure for something like a video game. I don't claim to know how game development works. It could be as simple as the people at BioWare Montreal thought based on limited testing that the infrastructure they had in place would work and it just didn't. It could be also they made changes to the netcode because Mass Effect is neither of those games and that is the problem.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 7, 2018 23:47:45 GMT
How are you stuck?
the new FB3 based game performs worse than ME3MP Krogan don't head-butt anymore ~ that needs to be called out... Bored out of my mind. I have no attachment to Ryder. I can't really shape him and a lot of times I would've handled things a whole lot differently with the impact of the job description. The lack of paragon and renegade was really jarring for me. If anything, Andromeda needed it here for different runs. I can do the same thing over and over again if I truly love the game and somehow it stays fresh. I'm recording footage and I'm not going to do another YouTube hate video on Andromeda. It's an old wound that no one wants to revisit, but it's still a wound. EA really should've found a way to budget one DLC for Andromeda to close it out. Yes, it's pretty much a one and done thing, but it would gave Montreal a little more life. If things devolved so bad with Montreal and Edmonton, who's at fault? I don't know. Anthem is the direction BioWare is taking and I'm learning to embrace with it arms wide open. I'm live-streaming the game with friends (I'm doing a polished voice acting series) and I'm praying and hoping that folks that are still here from last year will join me. Anyway, do I expect Dragon Age 4 to be awesome? No. Nope. No expectations. The writing has fallen down in quality. The sense of urgency had to be placed on yourself because the whole initiative was run by buffoons in Andromeda. If the last boss fight is like Corypheous, I won't be surprised since Solas is what he is. I can do a whole video on this crap, but why? I'm going to find what I love and just play that. If it happens to BioWare, it's BioWare. If it's Undead Labs, it's Undead Labs. I'll be sticking to RPGs, but action ones I will go with as well like Anthem. Am I holding storytelling a high priority for Anthem? You damn right. If it sucks, I'll move onto another subject even an older one like Far Cry 5 which is freaking amazing.
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Post by samhain444 on May 8, 2018 6:02:32 GMT
How are you stuck?
Krogan don't head-butt anymore ~ that needs to be called out... Bored out of my mind. I have no attachment to Ryder. I can't really shape him and a lot of times I would've handled things a whole lot differently with the impact of the job description. The lack of paragon and renegade was really jarring for me. If anything, Andromeda needed it here for different runs. I can do the same thing over and over again if I truly love the game and somehow it stays fresh. I'm recording footage and I'm not going to do another YouTube hate video on Andromeda. It's an old wound that no one wants to revisit, but it's still a wound. EA really should've found a way to budget one DLC for Andromeda to close it out. Yes, it's pretty much a one and done thing, but it would gave Montreal a little more life. If things devolved so bad with Montreal and Edmonton, who's at fault? I don't know. Anthem is the direction BioWare is taking and I'm learning to embrace with it arms wide open. I'm live-streaming the game with friends (I'm doing a polished voice acting series) and I'm praying and hoping that folks that are still here from last year will join me. Anyway, do I expect Dragon Age 4 to be awesome? No. Nope. No expectations. The writing has fallen down in quality. The sense of urgency had to be placed on yourself because the whole initiative was run by buffoons in Andromeda. If the last boss fight is like Corypheous, I won't be surprised since Solas is what he is. I can do a whole video on this crap, but why? I'm going to find what I love and just play that. If it happens to BioWare, it's BioWare. If it's Undead Labs, it's Undead Labs. I'll be sticking to RPGs, but action ones I will go with as well like Anthem. Am I holding storytelling a high priority for Anthem? You damn right. If it sucks, I'll move onto another subject even an older one like Far Cry 5 which is freaking amazing. Personally, I loved both "DAI" and "MEA", know a lot of friends who felt the same way, so sorry to hear you're "wounded". Hopefully "Anthem" is better for you.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 8, 2018 7:27:48 GMT
Personally, I loved both "DAI" and "MEA", know a lot of friends who felt the same way, so sorry to hear you're "wounded". Hopefully "Anthem" is better for you. Same here. Really loved both DAI and MEA. Actually playing MEA makes it very difficult for me to go back to ME2 and ME3, seeing their corridor worlds again and so on.. Waiting for Anthem eagerly!
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Post by Heimdall on May 8, 2018 14:24:09 GMT
Personally, I loved both "DAI" and "MEA", know a lot of friends who felt the same way, so sorry to hear you're "wounded". Hopefully "Anthem" is better for you. I think both DAI and MEA are quite flawed products. Both show signs of issues in their design and development. Frostbite growing pains and first time open world design show in DAI. The story suffered from going in too many directions at once, and not having enough depth in many areas. That said, I still quite enjoy the game, in particular it’s companion writing. MEA shows all the signs of a game that spent three years developed as something different and was cobbled together in its current form in only 18 months. The story definitely shows signs of being rushed and I think those three years trying to develop it as an exploration game are why Casey Hudson emphasized Bioware staying close to its storytelling roots in the future. For what it is though, I don’t think it’s a bad game.
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Post by samhain444 on May 8, 2018 14:56:58 GMT
Personally, I loved both "DAI" and "MEA", know a lot of friends who felt the same way, so sorry to hear you're "wounded". Hopefully "Anthem" is better for you. I think both DAI and MEA are quite flawed products. Both show signs of issues in their design and development. Frostbite growing pains and first time open world design show in DAI. The story suffered from going in too many directions at once, and not having enough depth in many areas. That said, I still quite enjoy the game, in particular it’s companion writing. MEA shows all the signs of a game that spent three years developed as something different and was cobbled together in its current form in only 18 months. The story definitely shows signs of being rushed and I think those three years trying to develop it as an exploration game are why Casey Hudson emphasized Bioware staying close to its storytelling roots in the future. For what it is though, I don’t think it’s a bad game. Indeed they are flawed but I've also played them 10+ times each. I don't think anyone is stating they are perfect games. "Dragon Age Inquisition" end game battle suffered due to fact that that the expansive regions meant that you could go hours without encountering content that dealt directly with Corypheus or the main plot while the regions themselves were hit and miss in terms of engaging content. However, it also provided the some of the best characters and combat of the series. There is a reason it was "Game of the Year" in many people's eyes, it was just that good. All the "weak year" nonsense is just that - nonsense. "ME:A's" writing suffered due to the 18 month dash to completion but it also provided the jet pack, the enhanced combat experience and interesting/complex level design. Both games suffered from the developmental pain of learning a new engine and trying out new gameplay concepts and time will tell if that pain will pay off with better results in "Anthem", "DA4" or the next "Mass Effect" but, either way, BioWare had to evolve beyond the limitations of the game design of the previous entries. What I have found pretty consistent, however, is how reviewers and players perception of the games are often a reflection of their opinion of BioWare as a whole. If they hold a negative opinion of BioWare as a company, for whatever reason, they tend to be less forgiving to it's rougher elements than those that have a positive or even neutral opinion of BioWare and I've seen this element in professional reviewer scores as well. The same reviewers or players that will give CDPR or Bethesda a pass on technical glitches, bad animations, freezes, or missions not completing won't provide the same courtesy to BioWare because "ME2 was dumbed down" or "DA2 re-used environments" or "ME3 endings ruined my childhood". The main "take away" for me from "DAI" and "MEA" is I don't have to force myself to like or continue these games, I just want to...they provide what I'm looking for, or at least the closest thing available on the market, and I hope "Anthem" provides those burnt by "DAI" and "MEA" the same feeling.
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