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Post by Sartoz on Apr 8, 2018 16:18:54 GMT
This video game article about the possible crash of the video gaming industry is interesting. Yet the interpretations of the facts is up in the air. Still, there is compelling evidence that "things" need to change if Anthem, for example, is to last 10 years. You can click on the link at the end but here are the five reasons: (1) Non gamers hold the CEO job. (2) Gaming budgets have skyrocketed. (3) Publishers are skewing the reviews. (4) Gamers are in the dark when buying a game. (5) Exploitative game industry Let's take Anthem and the five reasons. To me, all of them affect the game... from Metacritics scores to the game trailers vs actual game disconnect, to mtxs, game budget and EA management. Recent events (LBs for example) seem to indicate a softening of the pubs aggressive monetization schemes. Perhaps, then, the apocalypse will be avoided... of which one of them could be game and gambling laws. Anyway, have a go here: video game industry is about to crash
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 8, 2018 17:27:04 GMT
Yes. We need to return to the golden age... or is it silver... or is it bronze... FINE! -I am going back to 2009 -the Video Game golden year IMO. By that I mean that the quantity and quality has reduced over realism of graphics and lack of substance in games since well way before that year. By that year however -again in my opinion is the stepping stone where the industry that was slipping is now in near free fall. Sequel this, add-on that, expansions here, there, everywhere. UGH! Look what the current generation of video game junk has degenerated me into. And again most games these days are not even worthy of the digital code they are made of -nor the trash bin.
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Post by snowleopard25 on Apr 8, 2018 17:57:35 GMT
Interesting article! I agree with his main point overall, although I am not sure it will end in a 1983 video game meltdown. (I am old enough to remember it, lol) There is one point that he makes that is definitely changing the world of gaming in PC and consoles now. The consumer/gamer has figured out that prebuying a promised AAA game at a ridiculous high price to get a few shiny things at the beginning can be a total lottery. The gamer has been forced to become a better buyer in a world of crappy offerings, it seems. Now gamers have figured out how to buy games digitally, work the sales markdowns after game launch, and have learned not to give much credence to reviews and ridiculous trailers. Better to wait and find out from real gamers, and then spend half of the original price or less. Then you can buy 2 games instead of one! Enjoy the games you have, and only buy new ones when you are sure they are for real, and on sale. Another thing is that the video game business model is changing rapidly, especially for MMO games. You can already see the success of Free to Play (F2P) games in the SteamDB charts. (right here) Warframe is in it's fifth year, and is still growing. DOTA2, CS:GO, and the newcomer PUBG are all here, and doing well. Another F2P game, Team Fortress 2, is in it's 11th year, and still growing!. These are all popular, growing MMOs that gamers are flocking to because their business model doesn't screw the consumer. Rocket League is only $20 on Steam now, and it is still in the top 20 MMO PVP games. Recently I have watched a number of so-called AAA MMO games fail initially because they were screwing the buyer. (Looking at you Titanfall2, BF2, ME:A and a host of others in the last year!). How will Anthem do in this changing environment? Will it be a 10 year game as a service, or a 3-month flash in the pan at $60? Stay tuned... TL;DR Gamers are becoming smarter buyers, and the MMO biz is crowded with successful, low priced games that will compete with Anthem.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 8, 2018 18:13:47 GMT
Hmmm - Non gamers hold the CEO job.
This implies 'non-hardcore gamer'. Not an issue in my view. In any case, CEOs will engage creative directors.
- Gaming budgets have skyrocketed.
Yes, but live service rewards if well implemented also exist. Agreed, risks are greater than ever, the price of failure can be studio-killing, but industry-wide demand remains.
- Publishers are skewing the reviews.
More than ever the gaming community are aware of content upon release, even despite 'marketing'. Review scores are a little tougher now after the 'ethics in game journalism' spat and there are countless independent reviewers on YouTube / Twitch etc. If publishers could control the message in the past they certainly can't now. And making a case based on MetaCritic scores is deeply flawed.
- Gamers are in the dark when buying a game.
Hardly, again given the internet, a gamer who will wait for reviews can be more informed than ever, as long as they hold off their order. In the old days people would often judge simply on the box art.
- Exploitative game industry
Clearly there are exploitative practices but they get called out pretty fast. Companies that have reasonable game economies can sell games in good number.
I found a little sense in there but not much.
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Post by giubba on Apr 8, 2018 18:15:21 GMT
This video game article about the possible crash of the video gaming industry is interesting. Yet the interpretations of the facts is up in the air. Still, there is compelling evidence that "things" need to change if Anthem, for example, is to last 10 years. You can click on the link at the end but here are the five reasons: (1) Non gamers hold the CEO job. (2) Gaming budgets have skyrocketed. (3) Publishers are skewing the reviews. (4) Gamers are in the dark when buying a game. (5) Exploitative game industry Let's take Anthem and the five reasons. To me, all of them affect the game... from Metacritics scores to the game trailers vs actual game disconnect, to mtxs, game budget and EA management. Recent events (LBs for example) seem to indicate a softening of the pubs aggressive monetization schemes. Perhaps, then, the apocalypse will be avoided... of which one of them could be game and gambling laws. Anyway, have a go here: video game industry is about to crash The point are all poorly explained and overblow too much on the dramatic for my taste but i can partially agree on the 5th and last one. The others do not convince me at smell like those youtube video made by some cretins in search of attention by the pitchfork&torch crowd.
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Post by giubba on Apr 8, 2018 18:29:45 GMT
Hmmm - Non gamers hold the CEO job.
This implies 'non-hardcore gamer'. Not an issue in my view. In any case, CEOs will engage creative directors.
- Gaming budgets have skyrocketed.
Yes, but live service rewards if well implemented also exist. Agreed, risks are greater than ever, the price of failure can be studio-killing, but industry-wide demand remains.
- Publishers are skewing the reviews.
More than ever the gaming community are aware of content upon release, even despite 'marketing'. Review scores are a little tougher now after the 'ethics in game journalism' spat and there are countless independent reviewers on YouTube / Twitch etc. If publishers could control the message in the past they certainly can't now. And making a case based on MetaCritic scores is deeply flawed.
- Gamers are in the dark when buying a game.
Hardly, again given the internet, a gamer who will wait for reviews can be more informed than ever, as long as they hold off their order. In the old days people would often judge simply on the box art.
- Exploitative game industry
Clearly there are exploitative practices but they get called out pretty fast. Companies that have reasonable game economies can sell games in good number.
I found a little sense in there but not much.
Some choices made by certain company show that along the top tier of the food chain there are people who do not know what exactly are selling and to whom, for example: - One of the problem i think DAI faced while in development was that i had to be made for 5 wildly different platform at the same time PC,PS4,PS3,Xbox360 and Xbox one. In this situation i cannot honestly blame EA for making this decision. The new generation was still a big ? in point of sells and diffusion so it made sense pointing on the old generation. -The recent lootbox shit with battlefront 2 in all due honestly was boiling for months with some major signs that thing could go pear shaped really fast but still someone up there failed rather spectacularly in evaluating how the people would react . Finally the crunch and other act like that are a big problem. Recently i've read on kotaku that people in the VG industry are starting to finally put some serious thought on unionize (which as European it baffle me how a VG trade union doesn't exist in the US) for normalize those practice which is a pretty good thing in my opinion. I firmly believe that any studio that use excessive crunch like CDPR or Naughty dog or shouldn't be severely punished for exploiting their worker
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 8, 2018 18:53:06 GMT
Uh, I'm supposed to take a listicle seriously, on a listicle syndication site whose mission statement is, "America's Only Humor Site"? You're sure this "article" isn't just a big joke? You know, it was the gamer CEO who was blamed for the fall of Telltale games. www.theverge.com/2018/3/20/17130056/telltale-games-developer-layoffs-toxic-video-game-industryThe thing is, analyzing how the gaming industry is vulnerable is a worthwhile thing to do. The cost trend is not conducive to maintaining growth, or even flat revenue -- which, from the Wall Street perspective, is the kiss of death. Recurring revenue or alternative models, like crowdfunding, are needed to sustain growth. That's an article I'd like to read, but I'd like to read it from the WSJ.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 8, 2018 20:04:19 GMT
Unfortunately gaming can't crash the same way. AAA can crash. EA can ramp up mistakes, Activision can keep wasting money on a Destiny that no longer turns in long-term profit and so on but if those publishers go, like THQ went, there'll likely still be the indies and there are already small-time publishers specifically looking to help indie-teams get games out on the market.
It would take Valve to crash, it would take Google Play to crash, it would take GoG to crash etc. etc.
Sure, some of the bigger boys going under can make a ripple effect on the industry but at this point everything is so big and diverse in the industry that I don't see how the heck it could ever happen without being a mere nosedive that quickly recovers from whoever picks it up because there are so many more eyes on video games now.
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Post by river82 on Apr 8, 2018 21:46:46 GMT
I found a little sense in there but not much. Founded by a (supposedly) funny person, Cracked.com is a site that offers funny or snarky articles in a bid to get you to click on their page. Sometimes they just descend into pure clickbait (like their "six hilarious ways game developers are screwing with pirates" article). People have been saying for a while the gaming industry is unsustainable, and all they've done is taken that general thought and flung a few nice sounding thought-bubbles at the page. If you're looking for anything substantial in their articles I would suggest a magnifying glass, but you're likely going to need something a bit bigger and more powerful. Possibly something like this: Good hunting!
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 8, 2018 21:50:01 GMT
(1) Non gamers hold the CEO job. -I am pretty sure they play games, they might not to the extent people around here do, but I bet they do some gaming. Even if not if people who played games were in charge I bet that would be twisted to be a negative with comments such as "they are making all the games into what they would want, not what we as players want"
(2) Gaming budgets have skyrocketed. -Of course, but why have they skyrocketed? I keep seeing longer and longer lists of demands from players on what their games need to have to be good and if there are mistakes they get crucified for them. Do you think they are going to put less money towards a Mass Effect game when that would mean they wouldn't give players the illusion of 4K graphics that they have been demanding from consoles?
(3) Publishers are skewing the reviews. -That hasn't brought other media type industries to their knees. Aside from rumors you don't see too much about how EA is trying to censor YouTube videos, that is purely in the hands of indies who do not know how to handle criticism. Bethesda seems to have removed or scaled back their moronic review policy as well. So I don't think that is happening nearly as much as people want to believe. Its more of the "we need it out now" mentality of review sites that will rush a review out without spending more then a couple of hours with some games. That has also been changing for there are now more provisional style reviews to give a more comprehensive look too.
(4) Gamers are in the dark when buying a game. -Only if they choose to be by pre-ordering. I rarely pre-order a game and I will not pre-order a game I have question about. If you cannot wait for a couple of days after release to make a judgement call its the fault of the player and not the publisher.
(5) Exploitative game industry -I understand the concern about lootboxes and such, but at the same time I don't think it will cause things to crash. If anything I think this behavior has become normalized due to people and the free to play acceptance on cellphone games.
As much as people keep claiming there is going to be a crash, I just don't see it. The industry is constantly adapting to different models and successes. If something isn't working they don't keep trying to force they move on. Its why I think we don't see a lot of RTS games or Click-Adventure games from the bigger developers because they were costing more money then they were making. Its the same with fads like open world or now shooter-looters type games because that is what players are buying and wanting. There might be hicups along the way, but as we saw with Battlefront 2 things change as well. To have a crash I think games would need to stop selling. Now a recession might be a better thing to be concerned about, but when I hear crash I think of what happened when only Atari really existed and when they made a mistake there wasn't alternatives to the problem to correct itself. Nowadays if EA or Activision makes a mistake there is an alternative for players so gaming doesn't really leave the mindset. I know plenty of people that were upset at Destiny 2 and they just moved to The Division, which I think is more likely to happen then a full blown crash.
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Post by simit on Apr 10, 2018 4:35:09 GMT
I can generally find a few titles each year i enjoy playing an would revisit much like every year since i started gaming more than 2 decades ago an much like every single business i've seen over they 2 decades they try an come up with new ways to increase there profit on top of what is hoped a good product an much like television an movies alot of time you need sift through alot of poop to get the good stuff or your left scratching your head wondering why this is deemed omfgamazingz.
As previously stated the gaming market as a whole wont crash, more probable is change once us auld farts die off an things like always online, game as a service etc etc become more acceptable and normal, heck the majority are always online gaming today with there phones, which i believe makes up the biggest market, if anything crashes or "goes away" it be consoles and pc in preference to something happening with phones is my bet
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 10, 2018 5:40:03 GMT
(3) Publishers are skewing the reviews.
Gamers are even worse on this. STEAM reviews are steaming pile of dung and metacritic user scores are beyond redemption.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 10, 2018 11:14:58 GMT
(3) Publishers are skewing the reviews. Gamers are even worse on this. STEAM reviews are steaming pile of dung and metacritic user scores are beyond redemption. You mean "I just find this one thing in a game I never played and the internet says its true so the game is the worst pile of garbage I have ever not played." is not a perfectly non-biased review?
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 10, 2018 12:48:50 GMT
Crash? Nah. Some bigger publishers may finally have their mistakes catch up with them, but good, even excellent titles still exist that don't nickel and dime players, and thus far some of the biggest ones of recent memory have been decently rewarded for the devs' efforts. It's a powerful medium that retains a great deal of its potential and that's not going to change anytime soon, and demand will probably not falter much at all. Maybe some genres might suffer, but not die off.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 10, 2018 12:50:42 GMT
(3) Publishers are skewing the reviews. Gamers are even worse on this. STEAM reviews are steaming pile of dung and metacritic user scores are beyond redemption. You mean "I just find this one thing in a game I never played and the internet says its true so the game is the worst pile of garbage I have ever not played." is not a perfectly non-biased review? Steam reviews tell you how many hours the reviewer spent playing the game.
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Post by hivemind on Apr 10, 2018 16:24:47 GMT
Crash can happen if lootboxes will be declared illegal. EA and Activision as of today make more than half of their profits from microtransactions. All it takes is just China or US to rule them out as what they are - gambling - and those corporations will take a hit, from which they will never heal. And they would have noone to blame but themselves.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 10, 2018 20:09:12 GMT
Uh, I'm supposed to take a listicle seriously, on a listicle syndication site whose mission statement is, "America's Only Humor Site"? Ironic considering that Cracked hasn't been funny or even relevant since 2007.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 11, 2018 0:18:14 GMT
This video game article about the possible crash of the video gaming industry is interesting. Yet the interpretations of the facts is up in the air. Still, there is compelling evidence that "things" need to change if Anthem, for example, is to last 10 years. You can click on the link at the end but here are the five reasons: (1) Non gamers hold the CEO job. (2) Gaming budgets have skyrocketed. (3) Publishers are skewing the reviews. (4) Gamers are in the dark when buying a game. (5) Exploitative game industry Let's take Anthem and the five reasons. To me, all of them affect the game... from Metacritics scores to the game trailers vs actual game disconnect, to mtxs, game budget and EA management. Recent events (LBs for example) seem to indicate a softening of the pubs aggressive monetization schemes. Perhaps, then, the apocalypse will be avoided... of which one of them could be game and gambling laws. Anyway, have a go here: video game industry is about to crash Hahahahaha. Yeah that is not going to happen. The industry is in a position where it quite literally will weather any sort of crash and burn or downturn of business at this point. The reasons given are trite at best; the only one that is a legitimate concern in 2018 is the budget issue. Publishers don't skew reviews thats the general gaming public for one, often without any filter or justification other than to follow into their own "identity" of what they see gaming culture should be. In other words, its political for them first and practical second. The issue of outsiders in CEO game jobs is actually kind of flimsy...especially considering how most CEO's in positions right now, bar perhaps Kotick, have come from tech and gaming backgrounds. Also if the gaming populace is really in the dark then message boards and online reviews wouldn't be used as a bomb against them, along with the punditry of doom and gloom on youtube for even the slightest condemnation over a look or feel or perceived "culture" of a game, or focusing on a misguided thesis of what they consider a game to be. Lastly, the industries "exploitative" nature has changed a lot since the mid 2000s...and once we get unionization it will get better. Plus, as ive argued before, lootboxes are only exploitative when they are poorly utilized, and not utilizing them will dictate the behavior of companies. The only ones who would suffer from any form of crash are mid tier developers, franchises and a ton of good indie games. Put it simply; the big budget blockbuster titles will be made still, while the smaller games in the catalogue will not. Id rather not see that happen. I prefer variety.
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2018 14:59:37 GMT
We will never again see a crash like we did the 80's simply because of the diversity of platforms that we have. Most notably, the mobile device or phone. Phone sales make up over a third of our market right now and console sales another third, I believe.
So, now will we see a crash coming to the PC? Sure. But it will rebound, once somebody says, "Hey, I want to play this on PC!" and then makes it. I have a feeling it will be from bottom up, but it could very well be from the top down.
The way that I see it, I don't hold out much hope for PC gaming. We've weakened the word gamer to include a person that has played Pong once in 1979. Of course, I don't wanna be the kid on adderall who's up for 30 hours straight just to be considered a gamer.
You have to strike a balance, and where ever that axe lands is where it falls.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 14, 2018 2:59:23 GMT
We will never again see a crash like we did the 80's simply because of the diversity of platforms that we have. Most notably, the mobile device or phone. Phone sales make up over a third of our market right now and console sales another third, I believe. So, now will we see a crash coming to the PC? Sure. But it will rebound, once somebody says, "Hey, I want to play this on PC!" and then makes it. I have a feeling it will be from bottom up, but it could very well be from the top down. The way that I see it, I don't hold out much hope for PC gaming. We've weakened the word gamer to include a person that has played Pong once in 1979. Of course, I don't wanna be the kid on adderall who's up for 30 hours straight just to be considered a gamer. You have to strike a balance, and where ever that axe lands is where it falls. Please lets not go discussing this route... Unless we can strike an unbiased balance between them the Console vs PC war is not needed here.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 14, 2018 11:51:39 GMT
You mean "I just find this one thing in a game I never played and the internet says its true so the game is the worst pile of garbage I have ever not played." is not a perfectly non-biased review? Steam reviews tell you how many hours the reviewer spent playing the game. No, it tells you how many hours the .exe of that game has been running while Steam was online. The actual act of playing is not a requirement to increase that clock.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 14, 2018 12:10:38 GMT
Steam reviews tell you how many hours the reviewer spent playing the game. No, it tells you how many hours the .exe of that game has been running while Steam was online. The actual act of playing is not a requirement to increase that clock. That is true, but how many people would buy a game, leave the clock running for tens or hundreds of hours only so they can give their bitching a bit more weight?
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 14, 2018 13:46:07 GMT
No, it tells you how many hours the .exe of that game has been running while Steam was online. The actual act of playing is not a requirement to increase that clock. That is true, but how many people would buy a game, leave the clock running for tens or hundreds of hours only so they can give their bitching a bit more weight? Steam doesn't always detect a game properly exiting or at least in the past. I have had games where the Steam hours played far exceeds what I have in the game itself. Generally it happens if the game crashes on exit or something unexpected happened. With Ubisoft games if you leave Uplay running if Steam launches it will still also keep the clock going.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 14, 2018 14:02:20 GMT
That is true, but how many people would buy a game, leave the clock running for tens or hundreds of hours only so they can give their bitching a bit more weight? Steam doesn't always detect a game properly exiting or at least in the past. I have had games where the Steam hours played far exceeds what I have in the game itself. Generally it happens if the game crashes on exit or something unexpected happened. With Ubisoft games if you leave Uplay running if Steam launches it will still also keep the clock going. I have had that happen too once or twice every few weeks or, but it's a problem easily detected (your avatar's border remains green for "in game" instead of turning blue for "online") and easily fixed (open task manager, stop appropriate process). Not saying that it's impossible that Steam racks up some extra hours on your games, but I don't think it's very likely. When there's hundreds or thousands of reviews, the few reviews submitted by people who have this problem will likely be irrelevant. Of course, reader's discretion is advised when it comes to any sort of review. Personally I just check the first page of the "discussions" forum of a game I'm interested in. If half or less of the first page topics are bitching about something, it may still be a fun game and I won't be put off from checking it out. If almost ALL of the first page is made up of complaints, chances are that I won't enjoy the title very much. So far that worked pretty well for me.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 14, 2018 14:17:10 GMT
Steam doesn't always detect a game properly exiting or at least in the past. I have had games where the Steam hours played far exceeds what I have in the game itself. Generally it happens if the game crashes on exit or something unexpected happened. With Ubisoft games if you leave Uplay running if Steam launches it will still also keep the clock going. I have had that happen too once or twice every few weeks or, but it's a problem easily detected (your avatar's border remains green for "in game" instead of turning blue for "online") and easily fixed (open task manager, stop appropriate process). Not saying that it's impossible that Steam racks up some extra hours on your games, but I don't think it's very likely. When there's hundreds or thousands of reviews, the few reviews submitted by people who have this problem will likely be irrelevant. Of course, reader's discretion is advised when it comes to any sort of review. Personally I just check the first page of the "discussions" forum of a game I'm interested in. If half or less of the first page topics are bitching about something, it may still be a fun game and I won't be put off from checking it out. If almost ALL of the first page is made up of complaints, chances are that I won't enjoy the title very much. So far that worked pretty well for me. Of course, I am just saying it can happen by accident and not always being intentional if you aren't pay full attention to what Steam is doing.
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