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Post by samhain444 on Mar 11, 2018 20:04:38 GMT
Pulling stuff out of the arse threads are always an interesting read. They become about confirming whatever view people had to start with, positive or negative. Looking forward to some more information in June, though doubtless we'll have a debate about that being all PR then as well... Agreed...the less information that's confirmed the more people fill in themselves like some video game Dev madlibs. Will hopefully get some confirmation in June either way
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 12, 2018 1:27:11 GMT
I'm would say I'm joking, but... damn, having Drew leave for the second time doesn't make the rumours that Anthem is having a troubled production seem less credible. This is not really good news, especially with all the fear that EA might pull a Visceral on Bioware if Anthem goes belly up. Which is why Bioware should probably just abandon Anthem as they did with Shadow Realms, to focus on giving us the next Dragon Age game. That has a better chance of being a success, as well as much more support from the fandom already behind it. After ME3 and MEA, I feel like they've burned themselves out when it comes to space and science fiction. Whatever Anthem turns out to be, and I have little interest in anything that's primarily MP, Drew said his reasons for leaving BioWare were unrelated to any problems on the production side. He suspected people would doubt him but if you really distrust his word that much why do you even want him around?
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Post by colfoley on Mar 12, 2018 5:23:23 GMT
I saw that video in my feed the other day and my first reaction was "Its a trap!"
As far as Anthem's troubled development is concerned...of course it probably is having a troubled development...its a BioWare game FCOL.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 12, 2018 6:19:04 GMT
I saw that video in my feed the other day and my first reaction was "Its a trap!" As far as Anthem's troubled development is concerned...of course it probably is having a troubled development...its a BioWare game FCOL.As Jarod's father from The Pretender (1996-2001) said: "Follow the circle. Jarod. Follow the circle."
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 12, 2018 15:30:31 GMT
I saw that video in my feed the other day and my first reaction was "Its a trap!" As far as Anthem's troubled development is concerned...of course it probably is having a troubled development...its a BioWare game FCOL. The one and only thing that makes me think that maybe it's not all lost is that this isn't really like what happened with Destiny 1, where the lead writer was flat out gone and his work got scrapped.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 12, 2018 15:30:33 GMT
Don't worry, I speak PR. Here's the rough translation; Casey:Story will always be an important part of every Bioware game... even if we sometimes give you an RGB ending that makes no sense. Drew has up and left the project, now our other lead writers and teams are scrambling to figure out what the hell to do. Mike: Story has always been, and continues to be, a huge part of what we do... except when we have to cut huge chunks of that story, due to time and budget constraints, or writers quitting the project after turning in the minimal amount of work required to satisfy their contracts. --- I'm would say I'm joking, but... damn, having Drew leave for the second time doesn't make the rumours that Anthem is having a troubled production seem less credible. This is not really good news, especially with all the fear that EA might pull a Visceral on Bioware if Anthem goes belly up. Which is why Bioware should probably just abandon Anthem as they did with Shadow Realms, to focus on giving us the next Dragon Age game. That has a better chance of being a success, as well as much more support from the fandom already behind it. After ME3 and MEA, I feel like they've burned themselves out when it comes to space and science fiction. Regarding the very last paragraph: why throw away 7+ years of work and the millions they've already put into it? Seems more detrimental to do that rather than at least seeing what Anthem does, it does at least have various crowds interested in it. When it comes to them being "burned out" on space sci-fi, I think Anthem will decide that as it's actually their first time doing something new that isn't mass effect with that setting. Even with mass effect and Anthem being space sci-fi, I'd bet they'll still be quite different in how they function.
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Post by goishen on Mar 12, 2018 15:46:25 GMT
I bet that the same story is gonna with Anthem that happened with Destiny.
Management (this time it will actually be EA's fault) will toss out the story for some loot box, cash grab bullshit. Same as what happened with BFII. They'll toss in a pittance of a story just to shut you up. If it's over seven hours of content, I'll be surprised.
It's a process, like a machine churning out things. And right now? They're churning out things that make them money, no fucks are given about all the gambling addicted losers that they have to ruin.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 12, 2018 17:09:50 GMT
Wait a minute! Now that I think about it wasn't Drew there at Bioware for mainly the next SWTOR expansion story writing? Maybe Anthem was just a side detour of wring?
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Post by Arcian on Mar 12, 2018 17:12:30 GMT
Who wants to place a bet for when he ends up with Bioware again? He can't return to BioWare if there's no BioWare to return to.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 12, 2018 17:29:32 GMT
I bet that the same story is gonna with Anthem that happened with Destiny. Management (this time it will actually be EA's fault) will toss out the story for some loot box, cash grab bullshit. Same as what happened with BFII. They'll toss in a pittance of a story just to shut you up. If it's over seven hours of content, I'll be surprised. It's a process, like a machine churning out things. And right now? They're churning out things that make them money, no fucks are given about all the gambling addicted losers that they have to ruin. That could turn out to be the case, but that depends on whether or not BioWare basically dumped all of Karpyshyn's work, like what Bungie did to Staten's. Being an MP game, I never expected anything on the level of their proper singleplayer stuff to begin with, but I doubt very much it'll turn out just like Destiny's either, where there was basically no story whatsoever, beyond some vague evil and robots.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 12, 2018 17:38:44 GMT
I don't think Fogbank Games will be small. It's 20th Century Fox capitalizing on it's own franchises.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 12, 2018 20:26:42 GMT
Just so I understand the current "Anthem is going to fail" theories. A person who worked on the game who according to a Tweet from Casey Hudson said Drew's work was done on the project and this is common to see people leave after their parts are finished means the game is going to fail especially when it seems he was not the lead writer. No wonder why Drew himself made the inference that people are going to see whatever they want in his leaving.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 13, 2018 2:38:34 GMT
And... Shokes @ap_shokesWith the loss of @drewkarpyshyn, one of the greatest writers in video games, .@caseydhudson .@gamblemike .@charalanahzard i have some very major concerns about @anthemgame. Will this be a story driven game that @bioware was known for? Because that's why I love your games Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonStory will always be an important part of every BioWare game. Drew has wrapped up his work on the project, but Anthem’s Lead Writers and their teams continue to do amazing work developing the world, story, and characters. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeStory has always been, and continues to be, a huge part of what we do! Meh...not being negative, but from the outside looking in, it really doesn't look good. Dude just came back not too long ago and he leaves again?....on the flip side maybe this is just not a big deal anyway because looking at those responses from dev's in this thread in regards to story, The dev's initially stated that this thing will not be as involved story-wise as other Bioware games. In other words they made it seem like the story was not a priority in Anthem. I think he said something along the lines of "Oh there will be a story for those who want to engage in single player" but the main focus seemed to directed at multiplayer being the main attraction first with single player content being a distant second. Even if there is a single player story, it is going to be nothing truly involved or compelling....just something bare-bones to say they have something for folks that want to play single player content....i would have been excited if this thing was being directed with building and creating new characters with it's focus on interesting and compelling story development...i'm still keeping an eye on it, but not nearly as excited as when i first heard about the project.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 13, 2018 12:11:11 GMT
Meh...not being negative, but from the outside looking in, it really doesn't look good. Dude just came back not too long ago and he leaves again?....on the flip side maybe this is just not a big deal anyway because looking at those responses from dev's in this thread in regards to story, The dev's initially stated that this thing will not be as involved story-wise as other Bioware games. In other words they made it seem like the story was not a priority in Anthem. I think he said something along the lines of "Oh there will be a story for those who want to engage in single player" but the main focus seemed to directed at multiplayer being the main attraction first with single player content being a distant second. Even if there is a single player story, it is going to be nothing truly involved or compelling....just something bare-bones to say they have something for folks that want to play single player content....i would have been excited if this thing was being directed with building and creating new characters with it's focus on interesting and compelling story development...i'm still keeping an eye on it, but not nearly as excited as when i first heard about the project. Frankly the problem is with how people keep saying "its EA they are going to spin it how they want" the exact same thing can be said for the internet as well it "its the internet they are going to spin it how they want" as well. Unless there is some insider information that both Drew Karphsyhn and EA/BioWare are not telling us I don't understand why people won't take both sides at their word just because "he came back and then left" you can use the same type of argument at any developer that had people joining their team and leaving within a year and I think even CDPR has had that with Cyberpunk 2077 so does that mean the exact same negative things then because short developer stay? Game development is done in stages and it doesn't make sense to keep writers that have nothing left to do because they wouldn't be able to voice or animate any new content after a certain point. Unless you think EA should waste money and keep people at a desk with nothing to do besides crosswords.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 13, 2018 12:49:26 GMT
Sara's the one who saved DAI for me, followed up by Cassandra. No Sara, no bueno for me. MEA? Y'all know my feelings about MEA. BW's track record isn't looking so great. Sure, they've created some great games. But don't let those nostalgia blinders fool you. Those games had some problems too. I take it you mean Sera, and your misremembering shows how invested you were
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Post by Sifr on Mar 13, 2018 13:05:30 GMT
Regarding the very last paragraph: why throw away 7+ years of work and the millions they've already put into it? Seems more detrimental to do that rather than at least seeing what Anthem does, it does at least have various crowds interested in it. Isn't that what they did with Shadow Realms though? Seems like quite a bit of development went into the game before it was cancelled. And it's not like this would be unprecedented. More than a few games have been worked on for a few years before the developers pulled the plug on the project (Silents Hills) or even dropped what they had so far and decided to go right back to the drawing board (FFXV).
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 13, 2018 13:42:44 GMT
Regarding the very last paragraph: why throw away 7+ years of work and the millions they've already put into it? Seems more detrimental to do that rather than at least seeing what Anthem does, it does at least have various crowds interested in it. Isn't that what they did with Shadow Realms though? Seems like quite a bit of development went into the game before it was cancelled. And it's not like this would be unprecedented. More than a few games have been worked on for a few years before the developers pulled the plug on the project (Silents Hills) or even dropped what they had so far and decided to go right back to the drawing board (FFXV). I think you are comparing apples to oranges here. One thing is how they think the market is going to react to the finish project, right now Anthem is being designed for a crowd of people that enjoy The Division or Destiny type games and they have sold well even under heavy criticism. Shadow Realms really only had Evolve to compare to and Evolve failed to attract a crowd and Shadow Realms wasn't the only asymmetrical game to disappear at that time either. Any of other games that were in development just disappeared too for I haven't really seen another AAA type asymmetrical game since and the indie games don't seem to stay long either. They do more then just go by their guts when making decisions, its about how the market is going to react and what path will either generate the most revenue or cost them the least amount of money.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 13, 2018 18:35:20 GMT
Meh...not being negative, but from the outside looking in, it really doesn't look good. Dude just came back not too long ago and he leaves again?....on the flip side maybe this is just not a big deal anyway because looking at those responses from dev's in this thread in regards to story, The dev's initially stated that this thing will not be as involved story-wise as other Bioware games. Except it matters why he came back and why he left: he came back to work on Anthem and he left because he finished what he was supposed to do for the project. That's it. That's normal. That by itself does not indicate a problem. Now if he'd left before his work was done then that could be construed as an indication of internal problems but again, him leaving because he'd done his job is nothing out of the ordinary.
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Post by goishen on Mar 13, 2018 19:24:03 GMT
Except you don't wanna burn your bridges.
I very highly doubt that he would just be like, ""Yeah, the game's a dumpster fire. Omglol, so many problems with it!" Unless he didn't wanna work in the industry ever again.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 13, 2018 20:42:46 GMT
Except you don't wanna burn your bridges. I very highly doubt that he would just be like, ""Yeah, the game's a dumpster fire. Omglol, so many problems with it!" Unless he didn't wanna work in the industry ever again. But that doesn't work to lend credence to the idea that there was anything worrisome or unusual about his parting because that is still how this kind of work usually goes. You are hired to do a job, you do the job and then you leave by the end of it because you're done with the job. The bridge burning argument doesn't work in this case because, as far as I know, there's been nothing that suggests that he would have had anything to complain about. It feels like this whole situation boils down to this: "Nothing suspicious seems to have happened and that's suspicious to me."
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Post by ahglock on Mar 14, 2018 2:36:12 GMT
Except you don't wanna burn your bridges. I very highly doubt that he would just be like, ""Yeah, the game's a dumpster fire. Omglol, so many problems with it!" Unless he didn't wanna work in the industry ever again. But that doesn't work to lend credence to the idea that there was anything worrisome or unusual about his parting because that is still how this kind of work usually goes. You are hired to do a job, you do the job and then you leave by the end of it because you're done with the job. The bridge burning argument doesn't work in this case because, as far as I know, there's been nothing that suggests that he would have had anything to complain about. It feels like this whole situation boils down to this: "Nothing suspicious seems to have happened and that's suspicious to me." The point is you can't trust his statement as he wouldn't burn bridges. Also his statement if you want to be picky wasn't there is no dirty laundry, it was "there is no dirty laundry I'm just waiting to air." In other words there could be tons of dirty laundry, he just doesn't plan on talking about it. There might not be any, he may have just been done with his project. But there may be issues. No one knows. Affirmative statements either way is a bit premature.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 14, 2018 3:26:46 GMT
But that doesn't work to lend credence to the idea that there was anything worrisome or unusual about his parting because that is still how this kind of work usually goes. You are hired to do a job, you do the job and then you leave by the end of it because you're done with the job. The bridge burning argument doesn't work in this case because, as far as I know, there's been nothing that suggests that he would have had anything to complain about. It feels like this whole situation boils down to this: "Nothing suspicious seems to have happened and that's suspicious to me." The point is you can't trust his statement as he wouldn't burn bridges. Also his statement if you want to be picky wasn't there is no dirty laundry, it was "there is no dirty laundry I'm just waiting to air." In other words there could be tons of dirty laundry, he just doesn't plan on talking about it. There might not be any, he may have just been done with his project. But there may be issues. No one knows. Affirmative statements either way is a bit premature. I agree, until there is evidence aside from "its EA, so of course they are lying" I am going to take both parties at their word since there is nothing else to go by. What I am finding humorous in my own way is that even Drew Karpyshyn predicted this type of outcome in his personal blog about his leaving, so if people think it is easy to predict what EA is saying the internet has become the exact same way.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 14, 2018 4:02:42 GMT
The point is you can't trust his statement as he wouldn't burn bridges. Also his statement if you want to be picky wasn't there is no dirty laundry, it was "there is no dirty laundry I'm just waiting to air." In other words there could be tons of dirty laundry, he just doesn't plan on talking about it. There might not be any, he may have just been done with his project. But there may be issues. No one knows. Affirmative statements either way is a bit premature. I agree and that was the reason for why I took issue with this situation: I felt people were jumping to conclusions based on little to no evidence.
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Post by goishen on Mar 14, 2018 13:00:40 GMT
I mean, the same goes for Mike Gamble and Casey Hudson's tweets. They aren't gonna say, "That fucker left us in a lurch, only got done with half of his writing before slamming the door on us." It's PR speak, but of more of a human kind. Meh, I hate speaking that way about any people that are in PR, that you have a human side at all.
But there ya go.
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Post by bladefist on Mar 18, 2018 0:04:02 GMT
I don't think Anthem will be story heavy. Hardly the "WORST ANTHEM NEWS YET"
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