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Post by talyn82 on May 26, 2018 1:02:48 GMT
I also hate that we have to save Arl Eamon, but I think a hardened Alistair is unlikely to be swayed by Eamon's puppetry. I've never hardened Alistair or Leliana cause I like them the way they are, and I've never supported Alistair for the crown. So I don't know how it plays out with a hardened King Alistair and Eamon.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 26, 2018 4:44:01 GMT
I also hate that we have to save Arl Eamon, but I think a hardened Alistair is unlikely to be swayed by Eamon's puppetry. I've never hardened Alistair or Leliana cause I like them the way they are, and I've never supported Alistair for the crown. So I don't know how it plays out with a hardened King Alistair and Eamon. Personally, I think Alistair's healthier hardened. Anyway, I don't remember whether or not the question of Eamon's influence ever comes up in the epilogue. Actually, I don't remember that there is any epilogue slide dealing with their relationship after the events of the game, or even one that pertains to both Eamon and Alistair. I do remember he still defers to Anora if he's hardened and they're married, but that same slide says that he's actually interested in ruling, so my assumption had been that that's because he thinks she's right rather than because he's especially controllable.
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Post by phoray on May 27, 2018 12:27:00 GMT
, I don't remember that there is any epilogue slide dealing with their relationship after the events of the game, or even one that pertains to both Eamon and Alistair. There isn't. The only person to say Alistair would be controlled by Eamon is Loghain. And Loghain doesn't forgive Eamon for marrying an Orlesian, feels the man has been tainted by that action. Considering his 110% hyperparanoia of anything to do with the Orlesians, supported by the fact that he accuses every origin of Warden being an orlesian spy... I would say that he believed it, but was also saying it just to make peope suspicious. It was a bad attempt, because although everyone there dislikes Orlais, people heavily respected Eamon. Would an untried Alistair being guided by Eamon something they would actually even fear? Loghain loved Fereldan, despised everything Orlesian, and his hyperparanoia made him make a lot of bad choices. But Alistair was never going to be Eamon's puppet.
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Post by copper on May 27, 2018 17:06:39 GMT
I'd say that's true for a hardened (lol) Alistair, but an unhardened Alistair could easily be a puppet king, whether that be Eamon or the warden as the puppet master. And I'd still say Eamon was too keen on having Alistair on the throne. Especially as Eamon never took any measure of making sure Alistair would be prepared for the job when he was in his custody as a child. Alistair himself also says he doesn't want to be king when Eamon first proposes it.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 27, 2018 20:04:57 GMT
I'd say that's true for a hardened (lol) Alistair, but an unhardened Alistair could easily be a puppet king, whether that be Eamon or the warden as the puppet master. And I'd still say Eamon was too keen on having Alistair on the throne. Especially as Eamon never took any measure of making sure Alistair would be prepared for the job when he was in his custody as a child. Alistair himself also says he doesn't want to be king when Eamon first proposes it. Why is hardening Alistair lolworthy in this context? We're talking about the throne, not Isabela. But now that we are, does anyone think of her as an NPC who fits the thread title? I'd rather give her an entirely different sort of stabbing, but I can understand people who disagree given what she's done.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2018 20:48:15 GMT
I'd say that's true for a hardened (lol) Alistair, but an unhardened Alistair could easily be a puppet king, whether that be Eamon or the warden as the puppet master. And I'd still say Eamon was too keen on having Alistair on the throne. Especially as Eamon never took any measure of making sure Alistair would be prepared for the job when he was in his custody as a child. Alistair himself also says he doesn't want to be king when Eamon first proposes it. Why is hardening Alistair lolworthy in this context? We're talking about the throne, not Isabela. But now that we are, does anyone think of her as an NPC who fits the thread title? I'd rather give her an entirely different sort of stabbing, but I can understand people who disagree given what she's done. Absolutely. While I don't give her to the Arishok, I do think Isabela should have been arrested and punished for the crimes she committed. She is responsible for the suffering or death of so many people, from those who died in the Arishok's rampage to the shipful of slaves she throws overboard while still in chains dooming them to drown so she can get away and so on.
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Post by copper on May 27, 2018 22:24:21 GMT
I'd say that's true for a hardened (lol) Alistair, but an unhardened Alistair could easily be a puppet king, whether that be Eamon or the warden as the puppet master. And I'd still say Eamon was too keen on having Alistair on the throne. Especially as Eamon never took any measure of making sure Alistair would be prepared for the job when he was in his custody as a child. Alistair himself also says he doesn't want to be king when Eamon first proposes it. Why is hardening Alistair lolworthy in this context? We're talking about the throne, not Isabela. But now that we are, does anyone think of her as an NPC who fits the thread title? I'd rather give her an entirely different sort of stabbing, but I can understand people who disagree given what she's done. Because I'm immature. As for Isabela, I can't justify handing anyone over to the Qun. I do agree with Hanako that she should have probably gotten some sort of punishment, even though I love Isabela as a character.
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Post by vertigomez on May 28, 2018 0:06:12 GMT
does anyone think of her as an NPC who fits the thread title? I'd rather give her an entirely different sort of stabbing, but I can understand people who disagree given what she's done. I was pissed on my very first playthrough, but after getting to know her I love her to death and I get why she's so selfish and free-willed. She's had to be. She's never had anyone in her corner. Her mom sold her, her husband abused her, people have used her and treated her like trash, and being selfish and putting herself first is one big defense mechanism for her. So no, I don't want to kill her. riverdaleswhiteflash were you ever able to start your DA2 playthrough?
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Post by mousestalker on May 28, 2018 0:39:53 GMT
The man in front of Chantry yelling about the darkspawn. Come to find out he ran away while the darkspawn dragged his wife away. Now he is scaring people into being more afraid. After convincing him that yelling and scaring people is not the way to go he continues to yell and scare people. It is surprising each time how many people are listening to his ravings, and how easily people are led.
Ever since I found out you can ask him to cluck like a chicken, I have followed that route.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 28, 2018 1:46:39 GMT
No, sorry. I'd have told you if I had, and given you some details. I remember you were interested.
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Post by vertigomez on May 28, 2018 1:49:00 GMT
The man in front of Chantry yelling about the darkspawn. Come to find out he ran away while the darkspawn dragged his wife away. Now he is scaring people into being more afraid. After convincing him that yelling and scaring people is not the way to go he continues to yell and scare people. It is surprising each time how many people are listening to his ravings, and how easily people are led. Ever since I found out you can ask him to cluck like a chicken, I have followed that route. That's a thing??! Evidently I need to replay DAO. No, sorry. I'd have told you if I had, and given you some details. I remember you were interested. No worries, I was just curious.
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Post by Iddy on May 28, 2018 19:49:17 GMT
I chose Anora because Alistair simply isn't king material, which was only reinforced by the later games/comics.
However, I don't like her in the slightest. She has no principles or compassion. The decision to defend or expose Loghain in the Landsmeet depends entirely on whether that will get her throne back. She calls for Alistair's execution, which is a rather Bhelen thing to do. And the elven riots? She ends them with brute force instead of listening to their requests.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 29, 2018 6:46:15 GMT
I chose Anora because Alistair simply isn't king material, which was only reinforced by the later games/comics. Fair. Not fair. As I mentioned a page ago, her throne isn't the only thing that's important to her. She'd also defend Loghain if you made clear you intended to kill him, and she only calls for Alistair's execution if Alistair is still alive and still calling for Loghain's head. If Loghain dies, Anora just forces Alistair to forswear his and his descendants' claim to the throne. This is remarkably sporting considering that she just won a throne for which he was the only other competitor, and has the potential to backfire on her or her children (or her chosen heirs) later. As you correctly note, Bhelen shows far less mercy when dealing with Harrowmont, despite the Paragon's word and Harrowmont's inflexible adherence to tradition giving Bhelen far stronger reason to believe Harrowmont won't be a problem later. Back to fair. That's part of why I like joining her at the hip to her own personal Jiminy Cricket; if they're married Alistair invites the Alienage elder to court, and the epilogue doesn't state that Anora cracked down on the Alienage. But if you want to kill her, as I believe bringing her up in this thread implies, just harden Alistair and make him take the throne alone; he heavily implies he intends to execute her after the Blight, and is only restraining himself from doing it before the Final Battle because someone needs to take the throne if he dies in battle. (If you don't harden him, he says to lock her up in a tower and revisit the issue later, and shows a much stronger reluctance to deal with her in a permanent fashion.)
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Post by phoray on May 29, 2018 16:20:46 GMT
hat's a thing??! Evidently I need to replay DAO I was thinking the same thing! just harden Alistair and make him take the throne alone; he heavily implies he intends to execute her after the Blight, and is only restraining himself from doing it before the Final Battle because someone needs to take the throne if he dies in battle This is the only way to kill her. I just wish her execution would be mentioned later.
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Post by mousestalker on May 29, 2018 16:57:01 GMT
If you don't have time, here's the line:
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Post by secretrare on May 31, 2018 10:29:36 GMT
I was thinking the same thing! just harden Alistair and make him take the throne alone; he heavily implies he intends to execute her after the Blight, and is only restraining himself from doing it before the Final Battle because someone needs to take the throne if he dies in battle This is the only way to kill her. I just wish her execution would be mentioned later. Anora is not killable,she is mentioned in DAI even when she isn't Queen as a high rank noble. She will live longer than Alistair and Warden.
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Post by phoray on May 31, 2018 15:18:36 GMT
Anora is not killable,she is mentioned in DAI even when she isn't Queen as a high rank noble. Codex Entry?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 31, 2018 16:28:45 GMT
I was thinking the same thing! This is the only way to kill her. I just wish her execution would be mentioned later. Anora is not killable,she is mentioned in DAI even when she isn't Queen as a high rank noble. She will live longer than Alistair and Warden. If she's not already dead, and the Warden doesn't actually manage to cure the Calling, that's a strong possibility. Actually, if she's not already dead she could outlive them both anyway given what sort of life the Warden and Alistair lead. But are we sure she isn't already dead? I don't remember seeing her mentioned except when she has the throne, and the wiki only says she's mentioned if she's Queen. Although maybe I'm not far enough into the only playthrough I've done where she isn't Queen that I should have noticed. Still, that means it shouldn't be too hard for me to check, so, where specifically is she mentioned?
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Post by Iddy on Jun 1, 2018 1:51:11 GMT
Speaking of Anora, how the hell did she know about the Joining's risk?
It was made clear in several conversations that it is supposed to be a secret, since there would be fewer recruits otherwise.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 1, 2018 1:55:40 GMT
Speaking of Anora, how the hell did she know about the Joining's risk? It was made clear in several conversations that it is supposed to be a secret, since there would be fewer recruits otherwise. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 3.519999999999996px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_13688222" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.519999999999996"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_27114123" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.519999999999996"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 116px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_28969622" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.519999999999996"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 116px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_55520796" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.519999999999996"></iframe> I've been wondering the same thing for many years. I thought it was a Grey Warden secret. Maybe since she's Queen she is privy to such things?
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Post by davesin on Jun 1, 2018 12:09:34 GMT
Speaking of Anora, how the hell did she know about the Joining's risk? It was made clear in several conversations that it is supposed to be a secret, since there would be fewer recruits otherwise. I guess Anora probably knows that not all recruits become real Wardens (especially if they were nobles, as their relatives would be most likely informed about their early death), implying that the final test is very dangerous (just like Warden's lifestyle in general - most people know that Wardens dedicate their entire life to fighting darkspawn, yet they are willing to join order's ranks). I don't think Anora knows about use of darkspawn blood in the ritual though. THAT would be a real turn-off for most people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 3:58:51 GMT
I only had one NPC that made me feel that way, and that was Eamon.
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Post by skrillex on Jun 7, 2018 15:34:09 GMT
DAI doesn't mention many characters that are not relevant to the plot but that doesn't mean they are dead.
In Anora case,the codex says:" Despite her downfall, she remains as the heir of King Alistair. ". It doesn't say she is dead.
Nobody calls for her execution in DAO for what I can remember,so it's strange to believe she is dead just becuase she is not seen in DAI if not ruler.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 8, 2018 7:26:33 GMT
DAI doesn't mention many characters that are not relevant to the plot but that doesn't mean they are dead. We know. But if there's actual reason for them to be dead...Which Codex is this? I didn't think she had any Codex entry in Inquisition at all unless she was alive, and according to the wiki there's nothing like that in her Origins Codex entry.Do you generally harden Alistair, or leave him unhardened?
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Post by skrillex on Jun 10, 2018 19:25:30 GMT
DAI doesn't mention many characters that are not relevant to the plot but that doesn't mean they are dead. We know. But if there's actual reason for them to be dead...Which Codex is this? I didn't think she had any Codex entry in Inquisition at all unless she was alive, and according to the wiki there's nothing like that in her Origins Codex entry.Do you generally harden Alistair, or leave him unhardened? It's a codex from DAO. Anora is important enough character for the franchise,if her death was a real thing it would have been mentioned at least in a codex,but is never mentioned,so that means is more likley she simply is never executed.Harden or not Harden Alistair doesn't change anything to my knowledge,he doesn't order Anora's execution in both cases.
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