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Post by Catilina on Aug 21, 2018 1:24:23 GMT
It's not a new one. I always say that. There are times and situations when people can't be neutral (like Elthina, in Kirkwall). I'm not against the pragmatism – absolutely not. But as you said: Clarel and Janeka just were fools with their "pragmatism" – while Larius was pragmatic. Duncan with killing Jory? I don't know... perhaps. If he doesn't want eyewitness of the Ritual... Yes, I know Stroud's background. Nothing about his morality. Either way I don't care as I don't care for morals so you will have to discuss that with someone else. Eyewitness, spread information about the ritual and the wardens, in practice it was a think that had to be done, that you don't like, it's fair I will not discuss that it's your opinion. I don't think you need to know much, a guy that stays out of social problems, politics and only cares for darkspawn, pretty much your average warden basically. The problem with your "pragmatism" that if a Grey Warden doesn't believe anything, doesn't care anything – why s/he fight against the Blight? Why not just eats fine foods, drinks fine wines, and fucks a lot? S/He doesn't have too much time to enjoy the life... Without any morality, you can't fight for anything... The Grey Wardens have morality.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 21, 2018 2:19:07 GMT
I guess? The real reason she annoys me is because so many people IRL bleat about what a great politician she is or whatever, despite the game never doing anything to demonstrate that. Well, Arl Eamon does praise her highly despite viewing her as a threat. And Anora being a better ruler than a buffoon like Cailain is easy to believe. Or a blind nug being a better ruler than Cailan. We get all of five minutes to get to know Cailan, and if you read my other posts in this thread, you'll see that I freely acknowledged that he does stupid things. That is not my problem. My problem is that characters do profoundly stupid things while the game tells me they are supposed to be very smart. This isn't just a problem in DA:O, either. Celene demonstrates precisely none of the political savvy that I am repeatedly told that she possesses. In fact, The Great Game in general is about as sophisticated as Mean Girls.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 21, 2018 2:24:45 GMT
No. The neutrality not always a solution. Sometimes a sin. We don't know many things about Stroud – so: you don't know, he falls or not. Neutrality a sin, hahaha that's a new one Catilina, I won't even bother to discuss the amount of stupidity that is what you just said. I don't care if it's a solution or not, so spare your morals as I don't care about them. I just pointed in what category Stroud maybe fall, that's all. Oh and we know a lot (of Stroud), he comes from a noble family of Orlais, was a Chevalier and etc etc. You can find the rest in google if you want to read his codex entries or in youtube to rewatch all his scenes to see how he acts and thinks, or simply play the games again. The concept of "neutrality" has been criticized by many people for a long time, my guy. Where you been?
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Post by warden on Aug 21, 2018 2:31:29 GMT
Neutrality a sin, hahaha that's a new one Catilina, I won't even bother to discuss the amount of stupidity that is what you just said. I don't care if it's a solution or not, so spare your morals as I don't care about them. I just pointed in what category Stroud maybe fall, that's all. Oh and we know a lot (of Stroud), he comes from a noble family of Orlais, was a Chevalier and etc etc. You can find the rest in google if you want to read his codex entries or in youtube to rewatch all his scenes to see how he acts and thinks, or simply play the games again. The concept of "neutrality" has been criticized by many people for a long time, my guy. Where you been? Thing is I don't care so why you quote me anyway? You want me to give you a specific answer or something?
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Post by warden on Aug 21, 2018 2:36:13 GMT
Either way I don't care as I don't care for morals so you will have to discuss that with someone else. Eyewitness, spread information about the ritual and the wardens, in practice it was a think that had to be done, that you don't like, it's fair I will not discuss that it's your opinion. I don't think you need to know much, a guy that stays out of social problems, politics and only cares for darkspawn, pretty much your average warden basically. The problem with your "pragmatism" that if a Grey Warden doesn't believe anything, doesn't care anything – why s/he fight against the Blight? Why not just eats fine foods, drinks fine wines, and fucks a lot? S/He doesn't have too much time to enjoy the life... Without any morality, you can't fight for anything... The Grey Wardens have morality. You confuse that I don't care for what you think, and mix it with Grey Wardens, the disscusion I was having with the mod ArcadiaGrey has nothing to do with what you came up with, as usual with the templars vs mages, you bring things to the conversation that have nothing to do with what I was talking with the mod. You are the one starting things, I didn't. I will really have to block you to keep you from starting conversations that had nothing to do with the initial point I was talking with the mod? I don't want to but really, your double standards and demagogy are really tiresome.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 21, 2018 2:48:58 GMT
Well, Arl Eamon does praise her highly despite viewing her as a threat. And Anora being a better ruler than a buffoon like Cailain is easy to believe. Or a blind nug being a better ruler than Cailan. We get all of five minutes to get to know Cailan, and if you read my other posts in this thread, you'll see that I freely acknowledged that he does stupid things. That is not my problem. My problem is that characters do profoundly stupid things while the game tells me they are supposed to be very smart. This isn't just a problem in DA:O, either. Celene demonstrates precisely none of the political savvy that I am repeatedly told that she possesses. In fact, The Great Game in general is about as sophisticated as Mean Girls. Don't forget about Morrigan. She uses ridiculous words like "overlong", "overmuch" and "t'was" to show how smart she is, but honestly... she is an idiot. Yavanna mocks her for misunderstanding Flemeth's intentions. And she is willing to drink from the Well when even a madman like Corypheus wouldn't dare.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 21, 2018 2:57:48 GMT
We get all of five minutes to get to know Cailan, and if you read my other posts in this thread, you'll see that I freely acknowledged that he does stupid things. That is not my problem. My problem is that characters do profoundly stupid things while the game tells me they are supposed to be very smart. This isn't just a problem in DA:O, either. Celene demonstrates precisely none of the political savvy that I am repeatedly told that she possesses. In fact, The Great Game in general is about as sophisticated as Mean Girls. Don't forget about Morrigan. She uses ridiculous words like "overlong", "overmuch" and "t'was" to show how smart she is, but honestly... she is an idiot. Yavanna mocks her for misunderstanding Flemeth's intentions. And she is willing to drink from the Well when even a madman like Corypheus wouldn't dare. I don't really care about any of that, my problem is that the way BioWare writes supposedly politically-minded characters repeatedly exposes that they know nothing about politics or diplomacy, and I wish they would stop it. I feel like they're only doing it because GoT is popular, but GoT isn't good at it either, and may in fact even be worse. It just asserts a false premise that being a corrupt, lying, mass-murdering, traitorous sociopath is somehow an intelligent way to conduct politics, business, and relationships in general, for the sake of having lots of edgy gore and tittays. The fantasy/adventure side of BioWare games is fine. Their lore and world-building is decent (if derivative), but they should do themselves a favour and stay the fuck away from politics. They aren't good at it.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 21, 2018 3:30:45 GMT
The problem with your "pragmatism" that if a Grey Warden doesn't believe anything, doesn't care anything – why s/he fight against the Blight? Why not just eats fine foods, drinks fine wines, and fucks a lot? S/He doesn't have too much time to enjoy the life... Without any morality, you can't fight for anything... The Grey Wardens have morality. You confuse that I don't care for what you think, and mix it with Grey Wardens, the disscusion I was having with the mod ArcadiaGrey has nothing to do with what you came up with, as usual with the templars vs mages, you bring things to the conversation that have nothing to do with what I was talking with the mod. You are the one starting things, I didn't. I will really have to block you to keep you from starting conversations that had nothing to do with the initial point I was talking with the mod? I don't want to but really, your double standards and demagogy are really tiresome. I didn't speak about the mages and templars. You spoke some nonsenses about the neutrality, and about that the Grey Wardens haven't morality.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 21, 2018 4:10:45 GMT
I don't really care about any of that What a coincidence. Neither did I care to read past that.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 21, 2018 5:23:54 GMT
Here I am struggling to think of anyone and some of you guys have hit lists. Bartrand,Feynriel and Marathari come to mind, and the more I play Origins the more Duncan irritates me. As for the little guys my memory just ain't that good. Ooh Tallis....some of those toffs at Chateau Haine and Sigrid, miserable old bugger. I suppose 'all the Orlesians' is a bit too vague. By Bartrand, you mean by your own hand, right? Because I saw a Keep slide that says you can encourage Varric to do it. Feynriel... well, I'd kind of assumed we're going to see him in Tevinter, and I can't help but imagine that if he's possessed by Torpor, that encounter's probably going to end badly for someone. (You might also get to kill him if he's not the Dreamstalker, but that gets less likely.) Tallis... not uncommon or unjustifed. (The ones I'm not commenting on should just be interpreted as me having nothing to say. It's neither agreement nor disagreement.)
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 21, 2018 7:40:29 GMT
What a coincidence. Neither did I care to read past that. I too enjoy being aggressive and reactionary for no good reason!
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Post by warden on Aug 21, 2018 9:19:19 GMT
You confuse that I don't care for what you think, and mix it with Grey Wardens, the disscusion I was having with the mod ArcadiaGrey has nothing to do with what you came up with, as usual with the templars vs mages, you bring things to the conversation that have nothing to do with what I was talking with the mod. You are the one starting things, I didn't. I will really have to block you to keep you from starting conversations that had nothing to do with the initial point I was talking with the mod? I don't want to but really, your double standards and demagogy are really tiresome. I didn't speak about the mages and templars. You spoke some nonsenses about the neutrality, and about that the Grey Wardens haven't morality. I didn't spoke any nonesense pal, you were the one starting bringing morality and shit to the table for starters but well keep being an hypocrite i'm done with you
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Post by Catilina on Aug 21, 2018 10:56:45 GMT
I didn't speak about the mages and templars. You spoke some nonsenses about the neutrality, and about that the Grey Wardens haven't morality. I didn't spoke any nonesense pal, you were the one starting bringing morality and shit to the table for starters but well keep being an hypocrite i'm done with you You did – as many times. Bringing morality to the table isn't hypocrisy – everyone has morality.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 21, 2018 14:35:39 GMT
We get all of five minutes to get to know Cailan, and if you read my other posts in this thread, you'll see that I freely acknowledged that he does stupid things. That is not my problem. My problem is that characters do profoundly stupid things while the game tells me they are supposed to be very smart. This isn't just a problem in DA:O, either. Celene demonstrates precisely none of the political savvy that I am repeatedly told that she possesses. In fact, The Great Game in general is about as sophisticated as Mean Girls. Don't forget about Morrigan. She uses ridiculous words like "overlong", "overmuch" and "t'was" to show how smart she is, but honestly... she is an idiot. Yavanna mocks her for misunderstanding Flemeth's intentions. And she is willing to drink from the Well when even a madman like Corypheus wouldn't dare. I totally agree about Morrigan. She wants to be so clever, but is one of the most stupid characters among the companions at least. I have so Many WTF moments with Morrigan, that I really hope, we can kill her off in DA4.
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Post by warden on Aug 21, 2018 14:49:27 GMT
Don't forget about Morrigan. She uses ridiculous words like "overlong", "overmuch" and "t'was" to show how smart she is, but honestly... she is an idiot. Yavanna mocks her for misunderstanding Flemeth's intentions. And she is willing to drink from the Well when even a madman like Corypheus wouldn't dare. I totally agree about Morrigan. She wants to be so clever, but is one of the most stupid characters among the companions at least. I have so Many WTF moments with Morrigan, that I really hope, we can kill her off in DA4. That has been my desire since the expected retcon (that would eventually happen) from the witch hunt dlc when you stab her.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 21, 2018 20:52:11 GMT
*puts up hand* I vote Goldanna, the 'half-sister' of Alistair I really wish there was a way to get Fiona to meet with Alistair just so that she could confirm that b*tch is NOT his bloody half-sister
aside from her...hm...let see, there aren't many characters that outright annoy me that I can't kill or have someone else kill them in one way or another pretty sure I'll come up with a list eventually, but I've played through the games so many times now, that even characters that I used to hate have grown on me in a way
(Loghain and Anora, looking at you two)
I wonder though...when Alistair becomes King (either alone or with the Warden as his Queen) what does happen to Anora?
I'm not sure it's stated anywhere what really happens to her I mean, does she die during the Blight, is she executed afterwards, exiled? Does she return to Gwaren and take command as the new Teyrna if the Warden doesn't take that boon?
(with someone from the crown send to watch her so she doesn't plot any revenge against Alistair and the Warden) that's a part that kinda bothers me every time I have Alistair as King when Anora is not ruling beside him
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 22, 2018 3:27:24 GMT
I wonder though...when Alistair becomes King (either alone or with the Warden as his Queen) what does happen to Anora?
I'm not sure it's stated anywhere what really happens to her I mean, does she die during the Blight, is she executed afterwards, exiled? Does she return to Gwaren and take command as the new Teyrna if the Warden doesn't take that boon?
(with someone from the crown send to watch her so she doesn't plot any revenge against Alistair and the Warden) that's a part that kinda bothers me every time I have Alistair as King when Anora is not ruling beside him If he's hardened, Alistair heavily implies that he intends to execute her after the Blight if he lives that long. If he's not... well, then it's a bit less clear what the plan is. I totally agree about Morrigan. She wants to be so clever, but is one of the most stupid characters among the companions at least. I have so Many WTF moments with Morrigan, that I really hope, we can kill her off in DA4. That has been my desire since the expected retcon (that would eventually happen) from the witch hunt dlc when you stab her. Given that Bioware made it that obvious what would happen, I'm not sure it even counts as a retcon.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 22, 2018 15:19:32 GMT
I wonder though...when Alistair becomes King (either alone or with the Warden as his Queen) what does happen to Anora?
I'm not sure it's stated anywhere what really happens to her I mean, does she die during the Blight, is she executed afterwards, exiled? Does she return to Gwaren and take command as the new Teyrna if the Warden doesn't take that boon?
(with someone from the crown send to watch her so she doesn't plot any revenge against Alistair and the Warden) that's a part that kinda bothers me every time I have Alistair as King when Anora is not ruling beside him If he's hardened, Alistair heavily implies that he intends to execute her after the Blight if he lives that long. If he's not... well, then it's a bit less clear what the plan is. ah I see, thank you ^^
see I always wondered about that part seeing as in my canon world state Alistair rules beside my Warden that does leave the world states where Alistair is alone however
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Aug 28, 2018 14:19:18 GMT
Brother Genitivi,not because I dislike the character but because I know his design was in part made to image of Gaider Lol. Oh wait i can kill him ahah.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 29, 2018 1:24:25 GMT
Brother Genitivi,not because I dislike the character but because I know his design was in part made to image of Gaider Lol. Oh wait i can kill him ahah. Works out nicely, huh?
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Post by Iddy on Aug 31, 2018 11:54:38 GMT
Brother Genitivi,not because I dislike the character but because I know his design was in part made to image of Gaider Lol. Oh wait i can kill him ahah. I don't think so. Gaider is fat and Genitivi isn't. They had fat character models in DAO, so they could've used those if they wanted.
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Post by warden on Sept 1, 2018 0:37:16 GMT
Aside from classic Morrigan.
I would like to kill Goldanna
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Post by melbella on Sept 1, 2018 1:17:20 GMT
I would like to kill Goldanna You can in Darkspawn Chronicles
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Post by phoray on Sept 1, 2018 1:21:01 GMT
Oh, Goldanna. Oh, just imagine if in the middle of her screaming, you could just step forward and knife her. Alistair's reaction would be awful hilarious.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Sept 1, 2018 2:02:03 GMT
Oh, Goldanna. Oh, just imagine if in the middle of her screaming, you could just step forward and knife her. Alistair's reaction would be awful hilarious. I haven't played the Darkspawn Chronicles but you don't play the warden (because he's not there) do you? So does that mean that Alistair is the one doing the killing? I've never wanted to play it before but it might be interesting to see how it works.
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