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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 3:26:32 GMT
Come spring 2019, Anthem will face some potentially stiff competition with games release a few months earlier. This may dilute its sales numbers because the player market base is split among existing "fresh" games.
These are some of the games that may hurt Anthem:
Call of Duty Red Dead Redemption Darksiders 3 GFTO Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night -- it's Castlevania like and I love this genre Final Fantasy 7 (remake) -
Some of the above games are 4-man co-op, open world and are story based/RPG. Call of Duty may have that "free-for-all" combat style currently in vogue.
What do you guys think? Will Anthem have competition?
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 4:24:01 GMT
Anthem's first trailer appears to be "what you see is what you get", according to Technical Design Director, Brenon Holmes and hinted that the proof may come "soon". If true, I anticipate trailer #2 will have actual game play and more cinematics. It may put Anthem on top (graphics wise) when stacked with its competition. As to combat...... Link: What you see
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 23, 2018 4:46:03 GMT
The market is varied and large and I don't see the same mistake as Call of Duty, Titanfall, and Battlefield all within the same month type of problem here. Games are always going to have some type of competition for EA alone releases ten to twelve games a year now which is down from nearly 30. The key is just not to have something that is too similar at the same time. Now if Ubisoft does an aggressive move and has a similar launch window for The Division 2 (if they are that far along) that could be a problem. Otherwise I see that list of games and they all seem different enough for people to either not being interested Anthem and the game they want or if Anthem is good to buy both.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 23, 2018 4:55:24 GMT
None of these games appeal to the same genre or demographic. The only similarity they have is having four-player co-op components. This is like asking "Hey guys, do you think the new Diet Coke flavors will make it difficult for Jim Beam to sell beverages?".
If you want actual competition for Anthem, you need to be looking at games like The Division 2 or, assuming Bungie is capable of righting the ship (which I doubt), Destiny 2. It's also worth keeping in mind that we don't really know a whole lot about Anthem at this point, so even those comparisons may not make sense in a few months time once EAPlay/E3 are over.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 23, 2018 14:10:44 GMT
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With the release date of "Anthem" suspected to be around March 2019, I'm not seeing a whole lot of conflict here or at least hot competition.
Seems we're finding reasons to be pessimistic about "Anthem" in some ways.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 23, 2018 14:36:49 GMT
Call of Duty Black Ops 4 - release date 10/12/2018 Red Dead Redemption II - 10/26/2018 Darksiders 3 - Winter 2018 GFTO - Late 2018 Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night -- Sometime in 2018 Final Fantasy 7 (remake) - sometime in 2018 With the release date of "Anthem" suspected to be around March 2019, I'm not seeing a whole lot of conflict here or at least hot competition. Seems we're finding reasons to be pessimistic about "Anthem" in some ways. Indeed, the only game I'm personally interested in there is Red Dead, and that will be well attended to by the Spring. There will be other games then, but it looks like a good release window...
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 14:39:52 GMT
According to Bio's Brenon Holmes, the studio wants to make Anthem more accessible to players with some form of colour blindness. That's a positive, imo. Certainly, those folks will be appreciative. Maybe EA will sell a few more because of it. Link: For the Colour Blind
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 14:46:24 GMT
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Hm...
No need for pessimism, yet. The idea is that Bio must be aware of competing games and so would try to launch a "flawless, fun and addictive" game.
EA, of course, is more interested in their 4th Q financials and thus has set a non-negotiable launch window, imo. ... which could be problematic if the studio is behind schedule.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 14:53:47 GMT
None of these games appeal to the same genre or demographic. The only similarity they have is having four-player co-op components. This is like asking "Hey guys, do you think the new Diet Coke flavors will make it difficult for Jim Beam to sell beverages?". If you want actual competition for Anthem, you need to be looking at games like The Division 2 or, assuming Bungie is capable of righting the ship (which I doubt), Destiny 2. It's also worth keeping in mind that we don't really know a whole lot about Anthem at this point, so even those comparisons may not make sense in a few months time once EAPlay/E3 are over.
I omitted D2 on the basis that it's already out and D2 players would be ripe for something new come Spring 2019.
Demographics obviously plays a part and it re-inforces the competition angle, since that pie will now be further divided with Anthem in the picture.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 23, 2018 14:54:15 GMT
EA, of course, is more interested in their 4th Q financials and thus has set a non-negotiable launch window, imo. ... which could be problematic if the studio is behind schedule. If I recall, Anthem was originally slated for Spring 2018, then delayed to Fall 2018, then 'not delayed' to Spring 2019. I'd be surprised/concerned if it needs to push back further as EA are arguing it didn't really need to be pushed back from Fall, at least from a development perspective.
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 23, 2018 14:59:36 GMT
EA, of course, is more interested in their 4th Q financials and thus has set a non-negotiable launch window, imo. ... which could be problematic if the studio is behind schedule. If I recall, Anthem was originally slated for Spring 2018, then delayed to Fall 2018, then 'not delayed' to Spring 2019. I'd be surprised/concerned if it needs to push back further as EA are arguing it didn't really need to be pushed back from Fall, at least from a development perspective. Yeah, EA has actually been quite lenient with Anthem on release dates, they also were apparently willing to give MEA an extra 6 months, and gave DAI an extra year - EA do seem to have become better at allowing delays if needed.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 15:02:10 GMT
EA, of course, is more interested in their 4th Q financials and thus has set a non-negotiable launch window, imo. ... which could be problematic if the studio is behind schedule. If I recall, Anthem was originally slated for Spring 2018, then delayed to Fall 2018, then 'not delayed' to Spring 2019. I'd be surprised/concerned if it needs to push back further as EA are arguing it didn't really need to be pushed back from Fall, at least from a development perspective.
Hm... Kotaku's article said : “Anthem, which was announced at E3 2017, is now scheduled for release in early 2019, according to three people familiar with the project. The “fall 2018” window mentioned during that E3 announcement was “never realistic,” one source said. Exact dates remain in flux—and Anthem’s developers must also plan for a beta release, an EA Access launch, and an ongoing schedule of patches and updates—but it appears unlikely to developers that publisher EA will allow BioWare to delay the game any further than March 2019, ...."
I'm with you regarding no further delays.... but you never know.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 23, 2018 15:03:24 GMT
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Hm...
No need for pessimism, yet. The idea is that Bio must be aware of competing games and so would try to launch a "flawless, fun and addictive" game.
EA, of course, is more interested in their 4th Q financials and thus has set a non-negotiable launch window, imo. ... which could be problematic if the studio is behind schedule.
I think the "delay" to 2019 was more strategic than anything but we'll obviously see at that time. At the very least, EA seemed to learn from "Mass Effect Andromeda" and the potential outcome of pushing out an unfinished game to meet a revenue quarter target.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 15:07:48 GMT
The market is varied and large and I don't see the same mistake as Call of Duty, Titanfall, and Battlefield all within the same month type of problem here. Games are always going to have some type of competition for EA alone releases ten to twelve games a year now which is down from nearly 30. The key is just not to have something that is too similar at the same time. Now if Ubisoft does an aggressive move and has a similar launch window for The Division 2 (if they are that far along) that could be a problem. Otherwise I see that list of games and they all seem different enough for people to either not being interested Anthem and the game they want or if Anthem is good to buy both.
Remember, though, the game is not launched during the Christmas holidays, so there is less incentive from ma & pa to buy a game at that time. I'm of the opinion that sales forecast for spring is less than for the back -to-school period and Dec holidays.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 23, 2018 15:18:30 GMT
Some good news: Holmes seems to confirm that the graphics in Anthem will NOT be downgraded from those shown in the trailers. link: Awesome Graphics will Remain
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 23, 2018 15:33:22 GMT
The market is varied and large and I don't see the same mistake as Call of Duty, Titanfall, and Battlefield all within the same month type of problem here. Games are always going to have some type of competition for EA alone releases ten to twelve games a year now which is down from nearly 30. The key is just not to have something that is too similar at the same time. Now if Ubisoft does an aggressive move and has a similar launch window for The Division 2 (if they are that far along) that could be a problem. Otherwise I see that list of games and they all seem different enough for people to either not being interested Anthem and the game they want or if Anthem is good to buy both.
Remember, though, the game is not launched during the Christmas holidays, so there is less incentive from ma & pa to buy a game at that time. I'm of the opinion that sales forecast for spring is less than for the back -to-school period and Dec holidays.
That doesn't mean those games are competition for Anthem either. Just because there might be less games sold at that time of the year it could also mean that EA hopes there will be more copies sold overall since there will be less competition for sales either. They seemed to be happy with the numbers BioWare has attained for I think they have released three or four games in the early months of a new year. If it was doom and gloom for sales I doubt they would delay the game until that point of time.
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Post by giubba on Apr 23, 2018 15:39:04 GMT
Da faq is GFTO?
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 23, 2018 15:52:01 GMT
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 23, 2018 16:08:03 GMT
CO-OP bang-bang game "GTFO is described as a 'terrifying 4 player co-op game for hardcore FPS players'." BioWare has a record of making, er, 'bang-bang' games too...
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Post by giubba on Apr 23, 2018 16:36:12 GMT
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Post by snowleopard25 on Apr 23, 2018 19:18:30 GMT
I would be more concerned about the competition from Free 2 Play co-op games by next spring. Warframe and DOTA2 (and others) have already shown the success of the model, and there are lots of co-op games charging $30 now that could be F2P by next spring, trying to get new players to pay for new DLC. (As we all know, co-op games succeed only when there are enough players to keep them running.)
Anthem will have to elbow it's way to the head of the pack if it wants to survive in an increasing F2P competitive game model.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 23, 2018 19:42:43 GMT
Division 2 and Destiny 2 are the ones to worry about, assuming the latter manages to redeem itself in the fanbase’s eyes.
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Post by warden on Apr 23, 2018 23:49:29 GMT
Some good news: Holmes seems to confirm that the graphics in Anthem will NOT be downgraded from those shown in the trailers. link: Awesome Graphics will Remain Do you actually believe that? that is huge smoke curtain
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Post by simit on Apr 24, 2018 0:06:39 GMT
Most expect Division 2 to release early 2019 we find out more at E3 but if they do it be interesting since patch 1.8 redeemed that game in alot of ppls eyes an there pretty hyped for the sequel.
Personally i will buy both an play both if i like them.
If you look at games like battlefield 1 and the battlefront series you'll know gfx wont be downgraded, there some fine looking games if nothing else
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