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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 19, 2018 17:03:32 GMT
And not just say in a PR way. Make a real commitment to customers and shareholders alike. "There will be recurring revenue features in Anthem and we commit to using a portion of that revenue to create new and engaging content, released at frequent and regular intervals. Furthermore, there will be no pay-to-win, and the recurring revenue features will not be exploitative. We will provide more details on exactly what this does and does not mean at release."There are intentional weasel words in that statement, which are necessary, given the trigger-happy class-action lawsuit nature of both the customer base and shareholders. The existence of a few weasel words shouldn't call the entire statement into question, particularly if there is a promise to provide more details later. The "engaging content" is perhaps the most weasely, but given that "engaging" is qualitative rather than quantitative, and given that no matter what you do, some segment of the customer base will be less engaged with the new content than others, being vague is a net virtue. Despite the weasel words, a statement like that would set a new standard for transparency for the entire industry. Shareholders should have nothing to complain about that statement, and gamers will at least have the big question about the future confirmed, even if Anthem doesn't ship with recurring revenue features at release. Arguably the "commit to using a portion of that revenue" stuff is just stating the obvious, but since the widely held belief is that new content is strictly "bait" to encourage whales to spend more money, reframing the situation to be a little more balanced towards an exchange of value for cash that benefits both parties should be a low risk, smart move. At release time, I'd want these further details to be communicated: - We intend to post release schedules ahead of content releases, but since we're new at this and don't want to overcommit, we'll wait until we've completed at least one new story content release and one new expansion (new maps/zones) before starting to post release schedules ahead of releases.
- And yes, new story content and new expansions are in the works. The commitment we made to you in 2018 isn't only about new cosmetic content, though we'll be doing a lot of that too.
- There are no randomized lootboxes in Anthem at release, and we have no intention of adding them in the future.
But, if they do have even the slightest intention of doing anything like a randomized lootbox, even something like a Monty Haul / Let's Make A Deal type feature, where you pick 1 of 3 lootboxes, it's revealed, and then either pay for your pick, or choose again from the remaining two before paying, which introduces the feel of gambling while being decidedly you get what you pay for at the same time, they better make that damn clear at release time. Any attempt to slip something in later, with the hope that the fuss that's raised will be less than at release time, would destroy any goodwill any of the above transparency would have built.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 19, 2018 18:36:47 GMT
Funny how toxic even the idea of lootboxes is.
I was in ME3 multiplayer earlier today, still active after 6 years. It has fairly grindy lootboxes but that doesn't spoil the game.
If MEMP launched today it would be kicked to death perhaps...
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Post by Pounce de León on May 19, 2018 22:08:49 GMT
Funny how toxic even the idea of lootboxes is. I was in ME3 multiplayer earlier today, still active after 6 years. It has fairly grindy lootboxes but that doesn't spoil the game. If MEMP launched today it would be kicked to death perhaps... You know full well that it isn't just the lootbox. It's how they recently have been implemented - gating progress off and making it P2W, shoving it into SP, conceiling drop chances, including power items (better weapons and stuff), seducing minors to use their parents credit cards to make ridiculous spendings on virtual items. THIS is the real shit behind the lootbox. The box is just the vehicle to sell this shit to the consumer.
The ME3MP lootbox has been criticised just as well - it didn't have the same shit quality of putting the microtransaction before the playing experience, though.
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Post by Sartoz on May 20, 2018 14:30:48 GMT
Hm...
(1)- I'd think it would give EA's competitors delicate internal information, if they did this, since there is no obligation on them to do the same. (2)- Investor interests come first. Ergo all efforts is to grow the company's financial numbers and health.
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Post by Sanunes on May 20, 2018 15:17:30 GMT
I don't see why EA would take that kind of risk that probably wouldn't impact sales or shareholder investments. Besides even if they do say something it would be instantly labeled as "they are lying" so why bother?
Edit: I just want to add, AskAGameDev had a question about a Gameranx video and before watching it they made five predictions and after watching the video they said they was able to predict correctly four of the five points they guessed before watching it. The internet has become very predictable when it comes to their reactions to the gaming industry and I think that means a lot of what is being said will need to be confirmed with other information before anything will change.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 20, 2018 16:15:54 GMT
The internet has become very predictable when it comes to their reactions to the gaming industry I randomly looked at the first 20 'Anthem-related' videos on YouTube (excluding the trailer). Fully 50% were negative, 45% neutral, 5% positive. In reaction to prior BioWare comments, facing a sea of: - Anthem in Serious Trouble | BioWare's Problems Continue
- Anthem Is Absolutely In Trouble | EA's Sinking Ship
- ANTHEM: Why I'm Worried (Spoilers it's EA)
- Anthem's Best Developer Leaves EA Bioware (Skill Up Cries IRL Tears)
- Bioware’s Anthem will Fail
- DELAY! BioWare Struggling to FIX Anthem
- EA's "Live Service" Plans For Anthem Are Troubling...
- Is Anthem The Inevitable Death Of Bioware?
- WAKE UP and STOP Hyping up ANTHEM
- Why Anthem Should Scare You | Has EA Destroyed Bioware?
I'm not surprised that BioWare holds their tongue...
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Post by Sanunes on May 20, 2018 16:33:02 GMT
The internet has become very predictable when it comes to their reactions to the gaming industry I randomly looked at the first 20 'Anthem-related' videos on YouTube (excluding the trailer). Fully 50% were negative, 45% neutral, 5% positive. In reaction to prior BioWare comments, facing a sea of: - Anthem in Serious Trouble | BioWare's Problems Continue
- Anthem Is Absolutely In Trouble | EA's Sinking Ship
- ANTHEM: Why I'm Worried (Spoilers it's EA)
- Anthem's Best Developer Leaves EA Bioware (Skill Up Cries IRL Tears)
- Bioware’s Anthem will Fail
- DELAY! BioWare Struggling to FIX Anthem
- EA's "Live Service" Plans For Anthem Are Troubling...
- Is Anthem The Inevitable Death Of Bioware?
- WAKE UP and STOP Hyping up ANTHEM
- Why Anthem Should Scare You | Has EA Destroyed Bioware?
I'm not surprised that BioWare holds their tongue... Yep. Here was the post from AskAGameDev for I still think its interesting.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 20, 2018 16:57:30 GMT
Funny how toxic even the idea of lootboxes is. I was in ME3 multiplayer earlier today, still active after 6 years. It has fairly grindy lootboxes but that doesn't spoil the game. If MEMP launched today it would be kicked to death perhaps... Yeah. It's like the frog in water parable. Drop a frog in a pot of boiling water (i.e., if ME had exploitative pay-to-win lootboxes in its first incarnation), it will jump out and call PETA. Drop a frog in a pot of cold water and slowly increase the temperature, and you'll have frog fricassee for dinner. Only EA got impatient and turned up the temperature too fast with SWBF2.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 20, 2018 17:01:31 GMT
I don't see why EA would take that kind of risk that probably wouldn't impact sales or shareholder investments. Besides even if they do say something it would be instantly labeled as "they are lying" so why bother? Edit: I just want to add, AskAGameDev had a question about a Gameranx video and before watching it they made five predictions and after watching the video they said they was able to predict correctly four of the five points they guessed before watching it. The internet has become very predictable when it comes to their reactions to the gaming industry and I think that means a lot of what is being said will need to be confirmed with other information before anything will change. If it was a Yong Yea, DownwardThrust, or cleanprincegaming video, they would have gotten 5 out of 5. Not that that's saying much, since those circlejerkers only ever say one thing. Their channel descriptions might as well say, "Read /r/gaming to see what gamers are screaming about today, make a video to fan the flames (and heck, go ahead and just show screenshots of /r/gaming posts), collect views, laugh all the way to the bank."
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 20, 2018 17:05:50 GMT
The internet has become very predictable when it comes to their reactions to the gaming industry I randomly looked at the first 20 'Anthem-related' videos on YouTube (excluding the trailer). Fully 50% were negative, 45% neutral, 5% positive. In reaction to prior BioWare comments, facing a sea of: - Anthem in Serious Trouble | BioWare's Problems Continue
- Anthem Is Absolutely In Trouble | EA's Sinking Ship
- ANTHEM: Why I'm Worried (Spoilers it's EA)
- Anthem's Best Developer Leaves EA Bioware (Skill Up Cries IRL Tears)
- Bioware’s Anthem will Fail
- DELAY! BioWare Struggling to FIX Anthem
- EA's "Live Service" Plans For Anthem Are Troubling...
- Is Anthem The Inevitable Death Of Bioware?
- WAKE UP and STOP Hyping up ANTHEM
- Why Anthem Should Scare You | Has EA Destroyed Bioware?
I'm not surprised that BioWare holds their tongue... To be fair, all those guys are flavor of the day. Yesterday it was FIFA. Today it's COD Black Ops and a bit of Destiny 2 Warmind. Tomorrow it will probably be Red Dead 2. I don't think Anthem is being picked on any more than any other game, when the usual EA markup is accounted for. Meaning, EA games get an extra 30% of FUD and negativity, just because it's EA.
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Post by Sartoz on May 20, 2018 19:27:21 GMT
I randomly looked at the first 20 'Anthem-related' videos on YouTube (excluding the trailer). Fully 50% were negative, 45% neutral, 5% positive. In reaction to prior BioWare comments, facing a sea of: - Anthem in Serious Trouble | BioWare's Problems Continue
- Anthem Is Absolutely In Trouble | EA's Sinking Ship
- ANTHEM: Why I'm Worried (Spoilers it's EA)
- Anthem's Best Developer Leaves EA Bioware (Skill Up Cries IRL Tears)
- Bioware’s Anthem will Fail
- DELAY! BioWare Struggling to FIX Anthem
- EA's "Live Service" Plans For Anthem Are Troubling...
- Is Anthem The Inevitable Death Of Bioware?
- WAKE UP and STOP Hyping up ANTHEM
- Why Anthem Should Scare You | Has EA Destroyed Bioware?
I'm not surprised that BioWare holds their tongue... To be fair, all those guys are flavor of the day. Yesterday it was FIFA. Today it's COD Black Ops and a bit of Destiny 2 Warmind. Tomorrow it will probably be Red Dead 2. I don't think Anthem is being picked on any more than any other game, when the usual EA markup is accounted for. Meaning, EA games get an extra 30% of FUD and negativity, just because it's EA.
Don't forget EA's misleading advertising about FIFA 2018, according to the Dutch Advertising Commission. EA still remains untrustworthy.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 21, 2018 3:41:38 GMT
Don't forget EA's misleading advertising about FIFA 2018, according to the Dutch Advertising Commission. EA still remains untrustworthy.
They didn't forget: YongYea - Belgium Rules FIFA, Overwatch, & CSGO Must Remove Loot Boxes or Face Fines/Prison YongYea - EA Responds to Belgium's FIFA Loot Box Ban, Still Claims It's Not Gambling Laymen Gaming - EA Responds To Belgium Jail Threats Over Lootboxes Pretty Good Gaming - How EA's Business model is RUINING their games (CEO Andrew Wilson explained how Fifa Ultimate Team does not, in fact, amount to gambling)
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Post by rras1994 on May 21, 2018 8:53:33 GMT
Don't forget EA's misleading advertising about FIFA 2018, according to the Dutch Advertising Commission. EA still remains untrustworthy.
They didn't forget: YongYea - Belgium Rules FIFA, Overwatch, & CSGO Must Remove Loot Boxes or Face Fines/Prison YongYea - EA Responds to Belgium's FIFA Loot Box Ban, Still Claims It's Not Gambling Laymen Gaming - EA Responds To Belgium Jail Threats Over Lootboxes Pretty Good Gaming - How EA's Business model is RUINING their games (CEO Andrew Wilson explained how Fifa Ultimate Team does not, in fact, amount to gambling) Different things - he's referring to an incident where the Dutch Advertising Commission said one of their advertisements from FIFA wasn't that clear and could be misconstrued after a law student brought a complaint after they didn't get the players they wanted. It's.... really not as big as he seems to be suggesting. Considering that these chanels would usually jump at the chance to discredit EA, shows you it's not really that big.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2018 16:38:51 GMT
They didn't forget: YongYea - Belgium Rules FIFA, Overwatch, & CSGO Must Remove Loot Boxes or Face Fines/Prison YongYea - EA Responds to Belgium's FIFA Loot Box Ban, Still Claims It's Not Gambling Laymen Gaming - EA Responds To Belgium Jail Threats Over Lootboxes Pretty Good Gaming - How EA's Business model is RUINING their games (CEO Andrew Wilson explained how Fifa Ultimate Team does not, in fact, amount to gambling) Different things - he's referring to an incident where the Dutch Advertising Commission said one of their advertisements from FIFA wasn't that clear and could be misconstrued after a law student brought a complaint after they didn't get the players they wanted. It's.... really not as big as he seems to be suggesting. Considering that these chanels would usually jump at the chance to discredit EA, shows you it's not really that big. Sounds to be about the same as what happened with Steam and No Man's Sky in the U.K. where people filed complaints for false advertising after the game at release didn't match all the public comments.
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Post by biggydx on May 21, 2018 16:49:29 GMT
Best thing I think they could say,
"Monetization in Anthem is handled via an in-game store called "<insert shop name>". At the <insert shop name>, players will have access to a number of cosmetic-only items, all of which are available for direct purchase, or can be found by playing specific activities in Anthem. These cosmetic-items are a means for which you can personalize your player character and Javelin(s), and will not include any features that could impact core gameplay. We here at EA/Bioware believe this is an optimal solution for ensuring that we not only value the players time and investment, but also ensures that we can continue to deliver a steady amount of FREE live events and updates to the game for all players to enjoy."
Sounds corporate enough, but also gets the point across as well.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 21, 2018 17:33:21 GMT
They didn't forget: YongYea - Belgium Rules FIFA, Overwatch, & CSGO Must Remove Loot Boxes or Face Fines/Prison YongYea - EA Responds to Belgium's FIFA Loot Box Ban, Still Claims It's Not Gambling Laymen Gaming - EA Responds To Belgium Jail Threats Over Lootboxes Pretty Good Gaming - How EA's Business model is RUINING their games (CEO Andrew Wilson explained how Fifa Ultimate Team does not, in fact, amount to gambling) Different things - he's referring to an incident where the Dutch Advertising Commission said one of their advertisements from FIFA wasn't that clear and could be misconstrued after a law student brought a complaint after they didn't get the players they wanted. It's.... really not as big as he seems to be suggesting. Considering that these chanels would usually jump at the chance to discredit EA, shows you it's not really that big. My bad. Belgium is in Dutchland, isn’t it (said the dumb American)?
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Post by rras1994 on May 21, 2018 17:37:54 GMT
Different things - he's referring to an incident where the Dutch Advertising Commission said one of their advertisements from FIFA wasn't that clear and could be misconstrued after a law student brought a complaint after they didn't get the players they wanted. It's.... really not as big as he seems to be suggesting. Considering that these chanels would usually jump at the chance to discredit EA, shows you it's not really that big. My bad. Belgium is in Dutchland, isn’t it (said the dumb American)? Nope, separate country squished between France, the Netherlands, Germany and Luxemborg. Not very big. Got invaded alot. Unfortunate part of being between France and Germany.... Edit: Also it isn't "dumb" not to know these things. I wouldn't know where most of the different states are in the US. And i have no clue where most of the Eastern European countries are on a map. I learnt about most of their existence from Eurovision
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 21, 2018 22:48:05 GMT
My bad. Belgium is in Dutchland, isn’t it (said the dumb American)? Nope, separate country squished between France, the Netherlands, Germany and Luxemborg. Not very big. Got invaded alot. Unfortunate part of being between France and Germany.... Sorry, my plan for the obviously incorrect “Dutchland” to serve as a “just kidding” indicator failed. And it may not be dumb, but it sure is ignorant, particularly since I had to memorize the capitals of all the countries in the world in 7th grade. Plus, I’ve visited Brussels and Amsterdam.
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Post by rras1994 on May 21, 2018 23:02:27 GMT
Nope, separate country squished between France, the Netherlands, Germany and Luxemborg. Not very big. Got invaded alot. Unfortunate part of being between France and Germany.... Sorry, my plan for the obviously incorrect “Dutchland” to serve as a “just kidding” indicator failed. And it may not be dumb, but it sure is ignorant, particularly since I had to memorize the capitals of all the countries in the world in 7th grade. Plus, I’ve visited Brussels and Amsterdam. Sorry! I've come across alot of people today who I thought were being sarcastic but were actually being serious so it's got my sarcasm detector all confuzled lol. In terms of ignorant things to say, it really isn't that bad, people forget things all the time. As long as you're not pretending to know more about the country then the people who actually live there, we're cool! Speaking from unfortunate experiences here...
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Post by Pounce de León on May 22, 2018 8:52:24 GMT
My bad. Belgium is in Dutchland, isn’t it (said the dumb American)? Nope, separate country squished between France, the Netherlands, Germany and Luxemborg. Not very big. Got invaded alot. Unfortunate part of being between France and Germany.... Edit: Also it isn't "dumb" not to know these things. I wouldn't know where most of the different states are in the US. And i have no clue where most of the Eastern European countries are on a map. I learnt about most of their existence from Eurovision Three cheers for not forgetting Luxemburg.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 22, 2018 9:40:45 GMT
he might be literally a shill directed by corporate PR, though that's somewhat unlikely Seems unlikely to me too. Though these days 'shill' seems to mean 'anyone on the internet being positive about something that I don't agree with'
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Post by Sanunes on May 22, 2018 11:21:26 GMT
They’ll probably assume EA hates single player games and accuse them of seeking profit above all else without a fundamental understanding of what EA and other third-party publishers actually want - games that have high engagement This isn't a direct response to anyone here, just using this quote to address this guy's (ask a game dev) narrative. In my view, he's both right and wrong here: He's right about the style of accusations of course, and indeed many of the above mentioned Youtubers did use those. And while I often agree with their sentiment, and respect the fact that they are engaging in consumer advocacy (regardless of any other motivations) because after all it's not like consumers have (usable) power in this equation, SOMEONE needs to give voice to this type of criticism, and it certainly isn't going to be the likes of EA. But all that aside, this isn't the topic here. The issue here is that Ask a Game Dev is using the part that's obviously wrong about these accusations (attributing concepts like "hate" to corporate entities like EA) to dismiss even the valid part of the criticism. (that they seek profit above all) I agree that EA doesn't "hate" SP games, I agree that they "merely" want "engagement". (or to put more bluntly, they want all the money that can be made, and they want it as fast as possible for as little investment as possible). And while the above is an entirely legitimate thing for a corporation to aim for in theory, that's obviously directly opposed to the consumer interest in this equation. This corporate interest is why games are increasingly more derivative and streamlined, why there's so little risk taken these days, why every third game falls flat as mediocre "meh" because it had to aim for the illusive "wider appeal". (which ironically means that trying to minimize risk in this way actually opens the door to new risks, though it is possible that often such a failure is less of a total loss and more a failure to reach projected revenue, but that's just a guess.) I suspect that Ask a Game Dev knows all that and prefers to ignore it in favor of shilling for the interests of corporate. (which on some level is understandable considering his job, hell, he might be literally a shill directed by corporate PR, though that's somewhat unlikely given the limited reach and impact such an approach would have) This is going to be the only time I respond just to keep the thread on topic. You are taking the comments that AskAGameDev had on one video and applied it to all criticism which I think is unfair, if anything your comments should be directed more at me for I sent it on a more direct approach to what it out there. The problem with your assumptions if you are assuming that AskAGameDev isn't looking at the larger picture beyond the select few videos on the internet that fall into those categories. That is exactly the same as how the internet is viewing what EA does. There has been plenty of things that have happened over the last couple of years that mirror what has happened to EA over the years and I don't see the same amount of content indicating that CDPR is in trouble, Blizzard is money hungry, or Valve supports gambling on their platforms. Like any possible content that mentions EA where it becomes over analyzed by people desperate for YouTube clicks.
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Post by rras1994 on May 22, 2018 11:39:51 GMT
This isn't a direct response to anyone here, just using this quote to address this guy's (ask a game dev) narrative. In my view, he's both right and wrong here: He's right about the style of accusations of course, and indeed many of the above mentioned Youtubers did use those. And while I often agree with their sentiment, and respect the fact that they are engaging in consumer advocacy (regardless of any other motivations) because after all it's not like consumers have (usable) power in this equation, SOMEONE needs to give voice to this type of criticism, and it certainly isn't going to be the likes of EA. But all that aside, this isn't the topic here. The issue here is that Ask a Game Dev is using the part that's obviously wrong about these accusations (attributing concepts like "hate" to corporate entities like EA) to dismiss even the valid part of the criticism. (that they seek profit above all) I agree that EA doesn't "hate" SP games, I agree that they "merely" want "engagement". (or to put more bluntly, they want all the money that can be made, and they want it as fast as possible for as little investment as possible). And while the above is an entirely legitimate thing for a corporation to aim for in theory, that's obviously directly opposed to the consumer interest in this equation. This corporate interest is why games are increasingly more derivative and streamlined, why there's so little risk taken these days, why every third game falls flat as mediocre "meh" because it had to aim for the illusive "wider appeal". (which ironically means that trying to minimize risk in this way actually opens the door to new risks, though it is possible that often such a failure is less of a total loss and more a failure to reach projected revenue, but that's just a guess.) I suspect that Ask a Game Dev knows all that and prefers to ignore it in favor of shilling for the interests of corporate. (which on some level is understandable considering his job, hell, he might be literally a shill directed by corporate PR, though that's somewhat unlikely given the limited reach and impact such an approach would have) This is going to be the only time I respond just to keep the thread on topic. You are taking the comments that AskAGameDev had on one video and applied it to all criticism which I think is unfair, if anything your comments should be directed more at me for I sent it on a more direct approach to what it out there. The problem with your assumptions if you are assuming that AskAGameDev isn't looking at the larger picture beyond the select few videos on the internet that fall into those categories. That is exactly the same as how the internet is viewing what EA does. There has been plenty of things that have happened over the last couple of years that mirror what has happened to EA over the years and I don't see the same amount of content indicating that CDPR is in trouble, Blizzard is money hungry, or Valve supports gambling on their platforms. Like any possible content that mentions EA where it becomes over analyzed by people desperate for YouTube clicks. An important point is that these Youtubers aren't about consumer interests either, they are trying to make as much money as well. Ask a Game Dev doesn't make any money from their tumblr posts, if anything they are opening themselves up to negativity and abuse. The Youtubers behind these click-bait videos are doing it for money, it's why they are called click bait.
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Post by Sanunes on May 22, 2018 11:48:24 GMT
This is going to be the only time I respond just to keep the thread on topic. You are taking the comments that AskAGameDev had on one video and applied it to all criticism which I think is unfair, if anything your comments should be directed more at me for I sent it on a more direct approach to what it out there. The problem with your assumptions if you are assuming that AskAGameDev isn't looking at the larger picture beyond the select few videos on the internet that fall into those categories. That is exactly the same as how the internet is viewing what EA does. There has been plenty of things that have happened over the last couple of years that mirror what has happened to EA over the years and I don't see the same amount of content indicating that CDPR is in trouble, Blizzard is money hungry, or Valve supports gambling on their platforms. Like any possible content that mentions EA where it becomes over analyzed by people desperate for YouTube clicks. I'm not really disputing that there's a click-bait industry around this issue, all I'm saying is that enough of this is warranted (IMO) to make me more sympathetic towards that narrative than towards the guy you quoted. Though, YongYea and his ilk really need to step up their game if they want to stay relevant and/or be taken seriously. I broke my word, but I forgot to mention something I was thinking of. There is nothing saying they wouldn't have been more sympathetic to the blight of gamers. AskAGameDev is fairly neutral in most of their posts and just tries to explain reasoning behind things. The only time they are like that is when people have "What are your opinions on this video" posts and they never go out searching for those videos either. There is nothing indicated that if it wasn't a video from a person that was better then the stuff that we see from the common players they wouldn't have said "I was completely wrong", all I was trying to show is the bias people like YongYea and people like they have created inside the industry makers.
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Post by Sanunes on May 22, 2018 11:51:54 GMT
An important point is that these Youtubers aren't about consumer interests either, they are trying to make as much money as well. Ask a Game Dev doesn't make any money from their tumblr posts, if anything they are opening themselves up to negativity and abuse. The Youtubers behind these click-bait videos are doing it for money, it's why they are called click bait. What is "negativity and abuse"? Daring to question a narrative? And sure, I mentioned myself that they have ulterior motives (which are very clear), but other motives aside, they are giving voice to consumer advocacy, whether that's their main motive or not. If they were trying to do real consumer advocacy they should be telling consumers they are wrong too when it is warranted, because the consumer isn't always right.
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