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Post by Sanunes on May 29, 2018 2:57:02 GMT
I remember seeing it, but I can understand the deletion. As the heat increased and Casey waded in, I can understand the maxim of STFU being followed. Words can only do so much, you just have to ride it out. (I wonder how this story would have been handled if we were still on old BSN, hmmm...) This thread and anything like it would have been immediately locked, if not deleted. If it was like other outrage they would have had one thread to direct people to while deleting the dozens or more posts created because everyone wanted to talk in their own thread. After awhile when different points of view start insulting one another and starting to get to the point of being completely insufferable they would lock that thread and delete any new ones.
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Post by PermTrouble on May 29, 2018 3:01:39 GMT
i was genuinely surprised when crooks went cry about things tb said about watch dogs
watch dogs was pretty bad on pc
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 6:26:55 GMT
One guy trying to smear TB's reputation by saying he supports Gamergate (he didn't) is an actual sex offender. Something a certain Blizzard developer didn't know when he retweeted in support ... before quickly unretweeting xD @shanenopolis was convicted for 4 years for producing and distributing child pornography. Ignorant game devs *rolls eyes*
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 6:33:42 GMT
Nice job Harrison, you grade A fucking moron.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on May 29, 2018 6:53:52 GMT
So... Are we boycotting Blizzard's products now?
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 6:55:33 GMT
So... Are we boycotting Blizzard's products now? Well, I refuse to play Blizzard's games anyway until they let me play the damn thing offline >:c
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 29, 2018 7:41:53 GMT
Nick Sadler @zenderquaiHe didn't speak for his corporation, his companies, or his colleagues. And he certainly didn't speak for me. Bitterly disappointed that my contributions, my reputation, and those of my hard-working colleagues stand to be tarnished. They do. That's the world we live in. Individual freedoms are marvelous, but when you speak out of turn there is always consequences. That's life. You make someone else's job in the company more difficult, your value is questioned. You can conduct yourself anyway you choose, just be ready to find another source of income. It's not about censorship, it's about accountability. It's about perception to the brand and franchise. From my perspective, the brand is dying, but reality may suggest otherwise. If you're worried about your career, you should worry about how the company is perceived outside the bubble of Edmonton. That's all I'm saying. EA's reputation as a terrible company has never changed and only gets worse each passing year. BioWare is part of that brand, just like DICE, just like Visceral, just like Westwood, just like Maxis... Andromeda caused the Mass Effect franchise to be thrown into hiatus. I don't care if it was BioWare Montreal... it was a BioWare product from scummy EA. EA/BioWare. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Let's hope Anthem is part of a working solution. Otherwise, someone else will work on the franchise because EA can make a profit just selling the rights. By the way, I think Anthem is going to be great. If EA learned anything over BF2 (I doubt it though. I highly, highly doubt it), then the game should also be free of that horrible negativity and judged on its own merits. It won't happen though. The hate mob is pretty big and even casuals are hearing about it.
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Post by rras1994 on May 29, 2018 9:49:23 GMT
One guy trying to smear TB's reputation by saying he supports Gamergate (he didn't) is an actual sex offender. Something a certain Blizzard developer didn't know when he retweeted in support ... before quickly unretweeting xD @shanenopolis was convicted for 4 years for producing and distributing child pornography. Ignorant game devs *rolls eyes* He was a Gamergater, like c'mon: link
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Post by SofaJockey on May 29, 2018 10:02:18 GMT
We're starting to drift from current events here, so let's try to stay on topic, please. Or it might be that the story is heading towards being done. I've not seen it mentioned in any other news sources aside from a few clickbait youtubers.
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Post by rras1994 on May 29, 2018 10:04:39 GMT
He was a Gamergater, like c'mon: linkAnd if one actually reads the post, one would see that his position was a lot more nuanced than that. Yeah, he always contended it was about ethics in journalism , except right from the beginning it was about going after women. He was part of it, that's not debateble. He should maybe have taken a closer look at what he was getting into.
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 10:07:34 GMT
One guy trying to smear TB's reputation by saying he supports Gamergate (he didn't) is an actual sex offender. Something a certain Blizzard developer didn't know when he retweeted in support ... before quickly unretweeting xD @shanenopolis was convicted for 4 years for producing and distributing child pornography. Ignorant game devs *rolls eyes* He was a Gamergater, like c'mon: linkI love how he said that Gamergate isn't a group but a hashtag, that Anita and Quinn was harassed and that it fucking sucked, that Gamergate was one of the worst things that happened to gaming culture in a long time, and people still think he's a gamergater. He doesn't believe there's such a thing as "gamergater", he doesn't think it's a club, so what in his statement makes him one? I dunno, nobody's been able to tell me. I will say that it was incredibly savvy of the media to link those who have problems with gaming journalism to being a gamergater, even though most people with concerns of gaming journalism abandoned the banner like the plague ever since certain idiots started going after women. Tycho Brahe of Penny Arcade told the community to make their own media, which is I suppose what they're doing. It was a nice way for the established media to protect their industry, though.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 29, 2018 10:10:33 GMT
Erm, what was this thread about?
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Post by rras1994 on May 29, 2018 10:16:05 GMT
He was a Gamergater, like c'mon: linkI love how he said that Gamergate isn't a group but a hashtag, that Anita and Quinn was harassed and that it fucking sucked, that Gamergate was one of the worst things that happened to gaming culture in a long time, and people still think he's a gamergater. He doesn't believe there's such a thing as "gamergater", he doesn't think it's a club, so what in his statement makes him one? I dunno, nobody's been able to tell me. I will say that it was incredibly savvy of the media to link those who have problems with gaming journalism to being a gamergater, even though most people with concerns of gaming journalism abandoned the banner like the plague ever since certain idiots started going after women. Tycho Brahe of Penny Arcade told the community to make their own media, which is I suppose what they're doing. It was a nice way for the established media to protect their industry, though. That whole thing is a defense of gamergate and you'll notice that he said the worst part of GamerGate was that journalist scared women from Gamer community by saying they'd get harassed - that's not true at any stretch of the imagination. TB said he was part of GamerGate, and I think actually apologised for it. He was part of it link. SofaJockey has asked to shut it down so I won't bring it up anymore.
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 10:20:07 GMT
That whole thing is a defense of gamergate and you'll notice that he said the worst part of GamerGate was that journalist scared women from Gamer community by saying they'd get harassed - that's not true at any stretch of the imagination. TB said he was part of GamerGate, and I think actually apologised for it. He was part of it link. SofaJockey has asked to shut it down so I won't bring it up anymore. He stands for the public tenets of Gamergate, which a lot of the community actually stand for. But he doesn't believe he's a gamergater, he believes gamergate is a communication channel. And he doesn't stand for harassment, which he does not put up with.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 29, 2018 10:24:31 GMT
And on that note, can we please: (we're not going to re-examine gamergate in this thread)
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 10:26:29 GMT
EDIT: Deleted because of Sofajockey's words *Insert obligatory "freedom of speech" rant here *
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Post by SofaJockey on May 29, 2018 10:34:17 GMT
Like it or not, this is very much what this was all about from the beginning. This is why he was always a target for these people. But yes, I suppose that this is old news at this point. In the interests of *free speech *, if we want to do a 'gamergate retrospective' at another time (possibly wearing bulletproof underwear) that might be worth a try. But yes, I think it's appropriate to keep this discussion in the 'here and now'...
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 10:38:21 GMT
In the interests of *free speech *, if we want to do a 'gamergate retrospective' at another time (possibly wearing bulletproof underwear) that might be worth a try. If you ever do that, you might want the first post to be an in depth (semi) objective timeline of Gamergate, so we have more than just emotions flying all over the place (as entertaining as that sounds xD)
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Post by SofaJockey on May 29, 2018 10:41:04 GMT
If you ever do that, you might want the first post to be an in depth (semi) objective timeline of Gamergate, so we have more than just emotions flying all over the place (as entertaining as that sounds xD) Remind me if you want at a suitable anniversary, August 2018 would be 4 years? And we could do just that. But for now...
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Post by Sifr on May 29, 2018 11:41:52 GMT
I've not seen it mentioned in any other news sources aside from a few clickbait youtubers.So... most Youtubers then?
*Shots fired!*
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 29, 2018 12:23:04 GMT
And if one actually reads the post, one would see that his position was a lot more nuanced than that. Yeah, he always contended it was about ethics in journalism , except right from the beginning it was about going after women. He was part of it, that's not debateble. He should maybe have taken a closer look at what he was getting into. I can't even begin to take that silly narrative seriously, as if gamers all had a clandestine meeting to get the wimminz out of their hobby. It's like something an angsty teenager would make up. Most guys I know want more women interested in their hobby. If people want to be critical of TB, then argue in good faith about where you think he went wrong.
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Post by river82 on May 29, 2018 12:29:44 GMT
Or the majority of the mass media rather.
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Post by General Mahad on May 29, 2018 19:41:56 GMT
I think he's sorry that he got in trouble for this and got his ass chewed out by HR, PR, and Hudson.
Still it's good to see BioWare understanding the importance of proper PR again.
(Also my opinion of TB is not the most positive, but I know enough etiquette to bite my tongue and not talk ill of the recently departed.)
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Post by mugwump on May 29, 2018 19:56:26 GMT
Aye, Casey did the smart thing by disassociating Bioware from those obnoxious celebratory tweets for sure. Trouble is, Crooks' efforts all but guarantee that Biowares next offering will be metabombed to hell.
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Post by General Mahad on May 29, 2018 20:01:18 GMT
Aye, Casey did the smart thing by disassociating Bioware from those obnoxious celebratory tweets for sure. Trouble is, Crooks' efforts all but guarantee that Biowares next offering will be metabombed to hell. If Anthem does get metabombed to hell, I don't think it will because of some jackass on the development team especially given how BioWare is now putting its foot down on developer comments.
If anything, it will be the result of any noticeable glitches or bugs we see in the next trailer since that was the start of the trouble with Andromeda.
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