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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 14, 2018 7:31:57 GMT
It was simple for my current Inquisitor, Sofia; she lost a sister to the Circle system. She resented the Templars who took Keira away and would do anything to help Mages. My Dalish rogue Inquisitor likened the abuse of mages to the abuse of elves. That made the decision easy.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 19, 2018 3:38:50 GMT
I supported (allied) with the Templars. When it comes down to it: The Breach is a Fade Rift. A colossal one, to be sure, but it's a fade rift. This is proven through the Codex (which is written in game). As such, I would want the help of people who can deal with Fade Rifts. Inquisition tells us exactly how Templars work: They reinforce the waking world, driving back the Fade. As such, that would allow the Anchor to do its work. Plus, the mages can't handle anything related to freedom or power. We saw several times how behaved and trained mages can leave the Circle: Wynne, Bethany, Vivienne. These mages did not get it. Why? Because they couldn't handle their power. Because they constantly try to kill people. Because they killed their fellows who didn't want to help. The templars had the excuse of red lyrium. Those who aren't controlled by Corypheus with it are completely insane. The mages, by contrast, have no excuse. The mages tricked by Alexius time magic. And they were prisoners from their childhood. This is an excuse. Cassandra suggested the mages. And they have many ability. Better choice for a mage, an elf – the Templars are enemy of them. The Vashoth also doesn't have any reason to trust them. Probably a dwarf, and a non-mage Trevelyan. Tricked how? All Alexius used the time magic to do was arrive first and make a conscious deal with Fiona. The mages were not coerced, they simply did it. Mages were not prisoners. Once they completed their training, they could leave the Circle as long as they weren't, y'know, consorting with demons. Why would a mage or an elf be a better choice? No one has any reason to trust the rebel mages, considering how many they attacked.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 19, 2018 4:11:19 GMT
Tricked how? All Alexius used the time magic to do was arrive first and make a conscious deal with Fiona. The mages were not coerced, they simply did it. It was kind of tricksy, since Alexius knew they'd be okay without his help, but he played to their fears that they wouldn't be.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 19, 2018 7:29:53 GMT
The mages tricked by Alexius time magic. And they were prisoners from their childhood. This is an excuse. Cassandra suggested the mages. And they have many ability. Better choice for a mage, an elf – the Templars are enemy of them. The Vashoth also doesn't have any reason to trust them. Probably a dwarf, and a non-mage Trevelyan. 1. Tricked how? All Alexius used the time magic to do was arrive first and make a conscious deal with Fiona. The mages were not coerced, they simply did it. 2. Mages were not prisoners. Once they completed their training, they could leave the Circle as long as they weren't, y'know, consorting with demons. 3. Why would a mage or an elf be a better choice? No one has any reason to trust the rebel mages, considering how many they attacked. 1. Time magic. And the Templars served a demon. Is it better? 2. Who said to you that bullshit? 3. For a mage or an elf for example? Easily. The Templars are their enemy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 19, 2018 7:33:24 GMT
1. Tricked how? All Alexius used the time magic to do was arrive first and make a conscious deal with Fiona. The mages were not coerced, they simply did it. 2. Mages were not prisoners. Once they completed their training, they could leave the Circle as long as they weren't, y'know, consorting with demons. 3. Why would a mage or an elf be a better choice? No one has any reason to trust the rebel mages, considering how many they attacked. 1. Time magic. And the Templars served a demon. Is it better? 2. Who said to you that bullshit? 3. For a mage or an elf for example? Easily. The Templars are their enemy. Have to agree on point 2 in particular. If the mages were so free to leave, why put up with Templar abuse? Answer: they weren't allowed to leave. There were some special cases, like Fiona, but that's because she left to become a Grey Warden. Note that all those Grey Warden mages were not being watched by the Templars and somehow managed to not be controlled by demons.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 19, 2018 8:10:23 GMT
1. Time magic. And the Templars served a demon. Is it better? 2. Who said to you that bullshit? 3. For a mage or an elf for example? Easily. The Templars are their enemy. Have to agree on point 2 in particular. If the mages were so free to leave, why put up with Templar abuse? Answer: they weren't allowed to leave. There were some special cases, like Fiona, but that's because she left to become a Grey Warden. Note that all those Grey Warden mages were not being watched by the Templars and somehow managed to not be controlled by demons. Yes, the prison-Circle was one of the reasons to rebel. They were able to leave, temporarily and with permission, for a task for example. Wynne was "good mage" for decades, yet, she needed permission to leave the Circle – to fight against the Blight... The privacy (love, family) is forbidden. The Dairsmuid Circle destroyed by the seekers because they allowed the family. The Circles send the mages to another Circle without their consent, but they're NOT soldiers.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2018 9:51:21 GMT
I think this exchange in Asunder says it all about the justification for keeping the majority of mages incarcerated in Circles:
Lord Seeker: "We must keep order, Most Holy! We must protect the innocent from the mages and the mages from themselves."
Divine Justinia: "A convenient tale, so we may sleep better at night. The Maker says magic is to serve mankind...but we possess a responsibility to those that serve us, Lord Seeker. We cannot hail them when their magic is useful and then lock them in a cage when it is inconvenient. They are the Maker's children, not to be tolerated, but to be cherished."
Lord Seeker: "And what price would you have us pay for such idealism, Most Holy?"
Justinia: "Idealism is our stock-in-trade, Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny."
Now there are things I would take issue with Justinia, particularly her decision to allow unsupervised dangerous magical research. However, she reached this conclusion on the back of the events in Kirkwall, so was aware what extremist mages were capable of, but she saw that for the majority of mages the Circle system as managed in the south was not the answer to maintain public safety. The vast majority of mages did not represent a threat to the ordinary citizens of Thedas if allowed to live normal lives and given proper training at the appropriate time.
The problem as I see it is that, if you follow the path of total mage liberation, no one suggests how the void concerning training is to be filled. We are always given only two choices, either total lack of supervision or locked up in Circles, neither of which is acceptable. There should be a system of compulsory education and training for the sake of the mage as well as the community at large but provided this is complied with, the mage should be free to live in the community and contribute to it as they wish, just the same as every other citizen. Only if the mage wishes to further their magical knowledge by pushing its boundaries with research should this be done in Circles located away from highly populated areas and supervised by experts in dealing with the results if things go wrong. However, they are still free to come and go when not actively engaged in that research.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 19, 2018 10:09:35 GMT
1. Tricked how? All Alexius used the time magic to do was arrive first and make a conscious deal with Fiona. The mages were not coerced, they simply did it. 2. Mages were not prisoners. Once they completed their training, they could leave the Circle as long as they weren't, y'know, consorting with demons. 3. Why would a mage or an elf be a better choice? No one has any reason to trust the rebel mages, considering how many they attacked. 1. Time magic. And the Templars served a demon. Is it better? 2. Who said to you that bullshit? 3. For a mage or an elf for example? Easily. The Templars are their enemy. 1.) You are literally using circular logic to justify something that makes no sense. Time magic did NOT make the mages do ANYTHING. All it did was allow Alexius to arrive not long after the Breach opened. The magic didn't make the mages more susceptible to anything. As for the templars, they were on red lyrium. That makes them mind controlled. They didn't "serve" a demon. They, quite literally were brainwashed. This is well documented in game. You need to look at the facts and not ignore things that don't fit your narrative. 2.) Vivienne, Bethany, Wynne, Regalien, even Wynne's kid. Plenty of examples. 3.) As would be the rebel mages. Vivienne made that abundantly clear I think you're not looking at facts.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 19, 2018 10:48:36 GMT
1. Time magic. And the Templars served a demon. Is it better? 2. Who said to you that bullshit? 3. For a mage or an elf for example? Easily. The Templars are their enemy. 1.) You are literally using circular logic to justify something that makes no sense. Time magic did NOT make the mages do ANYTHING. All it did was allow Alexius to arrive not long after the Breach opened. The magic didn't make the mages more susceptible to anything. As for the templars, they were on red lyrium. That makes them mind controlled. They didn't "serve" a demon. They, quite literally were brainwashed. This is well documented in game. You need to look at the facts and not ignore things that don't fit your narrative. 2.) Vivienne, Bethany, Wynne, Regalien, even Wynne's kid. Plenty of examples. 3.) As would be the rebel mages. Vivienne made that abundantly clear I think you're not looking at facts. 1. An alternative time-line can bring another views. Not mentioned the blood magic. Why the Templars took the red lyrium? Willingly. And the Templars in Val Royeaux followed that demon. Willingly. (No. "Following the Order" isn't an excuse.)
2. When Bethany said, she's free? (In fact exactly the opposite happened: she said, she inside the Circle realized, how free was she, despite the constant run...) And Wynne? Wynne never said, she's free. And Rhys? Rhys was a Libertarian, he was a rebel mage. Later he took Wynne's position, and led the Aequitarians to the war. (It was a nice tactic!) Vivienne was an exception, a mistress of an influential noble and later the Queen's jester enchanter. Again: Vivienne is an exception, just as Wilhelm – who got his freedom straight from King Maric.
3. A mage's natural enemies the Templars, sadly – they're in war. And even if unless we ignore the fact that they're in war, most of the mages feel unconfortable from the presence of the Templars. And the elves? You're kidding? The Templars are one of their reasons to wander.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 19, 2018 15:30:14 GMT
The problem as I see it is that, if you follow the path of total mage liberation, no one suggests how the void concerning training is to be filled. We are always given only two choices, either total lack of supervision or locked up in Circles, neither of which is acceptable. There should be a system of compulsory education and training for the sake of the mage as well as the community at large but provided this is complied with, the mage should be free to live in the community and contribute to it as they wish, just the same as every other citizen. Only if the mage wishes to further their magical knowledge by pushing its boundaries with research should this be done in Circles located away from highly populated areas and supervised by experts in dealing with the results if things go wrong. However, they are still free to come and go when not actively engaged in that research. I could agree with this. Mandatory training of mage abilities so they don't do bad things by accident. Templars also wouldn't necessarily off the table but rather standing over them directly they'd instead be a sort of police force. When a mage commits a crime with magic (rather than, say, by punching someone in the face or theft), the Templars could come in to deal with them. However, they'd receive punishment in the same way as any other criminal. If they get out of control, and are overtaken by demons, then it's probably the death penalty. Besides, a magic taken over by a demon isn't really that mage anymore. It's a demon. As for "pushing the boundaries", I can only think of blood magic. But what if the blood is your own? Dorian said that was feasible though it didn't grant much power. Similarly, if there were other, unknown (to us) types of research, this might be an instance where Templars could be useful. Since these areas of research are relatively new, it might not hurt to have someone at hand who can intercede if things truly got out of control. I wonder, though, if fewer mages were confined to Circles and able to live "normal" lives, would there be fewer incidents of mages being controlled by demons? We don't have numbers, but it doesn't seem to be a major issue in Tevinter. Of course, in Tevinter they believe magic is a gift from the Old Gods and who's to say that's not true? Justinia might not have been so wrong after all.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 19, 2018 20:52:03 GMT
1.) You are literally using circular logic to justify something that makes no sense. Time magic did NOT make the mages do ANYTHING. All it did was allow Alexius to arrive not long after the Breach opened. The magic didn't make the mages more susceptible to anything. As for the templars, they were on red lyrium. That makes them mind controlled. They didn't "serve" a demon. They, quite literally were brainwashed. This is well documented in game. You need to look at the facts and not ignore things that don't fit your narrative. 2.) Vivienne, Bethany, Wynne, Regalien, even Wynne's kid. Plenty of examples. 3.) As would be the rebel mages. Vivienne made that abundantly clear I think you're not looking at facts. 1. An alternative time-line can bring another views. Not mentioned the blood magic. Why the Templars took the red lyrium? Willingly. And the Templars in Val Royeaux followed that demon. Willingly. (No. "Following the Order" isn't an excuse.)
2. When Bethany said, she's free? (In fact exactly the opposite happened: she said, she inside the Circle realized, how free was she, despite the constant run...) And Wynne? Wynne never said, she's free. And Rhys? Rhys was a Libertarian, he was a rebel mage. Later he took Wynne's position, and led the Aequitarians to the war. (It was a nice tactic!) Vivienne was an exception, a mistress of an influential noble and later the Queen's jester enchanter. Again: Vivienne is an exception, just as Wilhelm – who got his freedom straight from King Maric.
3. A mage's natural enemies the Templars, sadly – they're in war. And even if unless we ignore the fact that they're in war, most of the mages feel unconfortable from the presence of the Templars. And the elves? You're kidding? The Templars are one of their reasons to wander.
1.) Templars have to take lyrium. They're addicted, and as we've seen, some of them can die from the withdrawal. As for envy demons, envy demons impersonate. It's a sad excuse, but it's better than the no excuse the mages have. You've literally offered no excuse, they just made a deal with Tevinter. 2.) No Bethany never said that. Wynne was perfectly happy and had the freedom to leave as she pleased. The rebels showed us, particularly through Adrian, that they had no right to be free. You need to offer better justifications. 3.) Elves wander because of humans. Templars, nobles, whatever. All hunt the elves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:19:13 GMT
My BIGGEST reason for allying anyone would be whether my romance would approve! (though I done goofed and made Cullen really mad for disbanding the Templars in my noob game ) During my 1st game as a noob, I wasn't as much roleplaying as exploring and trying to do every quest on the road. This had slowed down my progress across the map significantly. Since Redcliffe is rather far up the map, my Inky hadn't walked far enough to reach it before she became a high level and I saw that level exceeding recommendation for the quest, so I've launched the Templars mission. I was playing human noble as well who wasn't bitter against either group. When Inky met Lucius, the game made it obvious that if you choose the Templars, you will be allying with Ser Barris, not the crazy nun punching guy. So, I saw a potential twist in the game where I guessed the mission would have something to do with overthrowing Lucius' control and putting someone else in charge, though, it worked out a bit differently than I had guessed. Sadly, I sucked as a noob and got Barris killed. So, when it came to choosing allying or conscripting them, I saw the Templars as a leaderless group without anyone I could trust to put in charge. Their poor decisions had shaken their credibility, so I went with the conscription. I went three times afterwards with the mages, once the prisoners option for variety and twice as free allies because I like having Dorian faster. But, I'd like to do a version where I ally with the Templars and make sure Barris doesn't get killed. The justification for going with the Templars could be something as simple as the fact that you have a giant hole in the sky oozing powerful magic. Seems safer to suppress it than to add nitroglycerine aka more magic into already burning fire. I can't say I have though some big reason why or why not. It's whatever floats my boat. I don't look for deeply meaningful or detailed justifications.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 19, 2018 21:30:06 GMT
1. An alternative time-line can bring another views. Not mentioned the blood magic. Why the Templars took the red lyrium? Willingly. And the Templars in Val Royeaux followed that demon. Willingly. (No. "Following the Order" isn't an excuse.)
2. When Bethany said, she's free? (In fact exactly the opposite happened: she said, she inside the Circle realized, how free was she, despite the constant run...) And Wynne? Wynne never said, she's free. And Rhys? Rhys was a Libertarian, he was a rebel mage. Later he took Wynne's position, and led the Aequitarians to the war. (It was a nice tactic!) Vivienne was an exception, a mistress of an influential noble and later the Queen's jester enchanter. Again: Vivienne is an exception, just as Wilhelm – who got his freedom straight from King Maric. 3. A mage's natural enemies the Templars, sadly – they're in war. And even if unless we ignore the fact that they're in war, most of the mages feel unconfortable from the presence of the Templars. And the elves? You're kidding? The Templars are one of their reasons to wander. 1.) Templars have to take lyrium. They're addicted, and as we've seen, some of them can die from the withdrawal. As for envy demons, envy demons impersonate. It's a sad excuse, but it's better than the no excuse the mages have. You've literally offered no excuse, they just made a deal with Tevinter.
2.) No Bethany never said that. Wynne was perfectly happy and had the freedom to leave as she pleased. The rebels showed us, particularly through Adrian, that they had no right to be free. You need to offer better justifications.
3.) Elves wander because of humans. Templars, nobles, whatever. All hunt the elves. 1. The Templars exist for fighting demons, but they served it... I don't think this is a good deed. Who trust such king templars who serve a demon... And you said: a bunch of brainwashed druggy... It's your excuse to them, not my accusation... 2. Never? Just watch! Here's my sweet revolutionary (I'll never understand why people think, Bethany's totally idiot – she's a martyr, but not an idiot...): Wynne faction also rebelled... Only Vivienne's stupid "loyalists" not, and some coward. They're traitors. What means they haven't right to be free? Because the law says? Then the law is wrong. And the unjust law isn't law. 3. But the Templars were the Chantry's army and not once attacked the elves. They never would trust a Templar.
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Post by lilyonce on Jun 19, 2018 23:28:36 GMT
Lord Seeker: "And what price would you have us pay for such idealism, Most Holy?" Justinia: "Idealism is our stock-in-trade, Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny." I agree with her. But I wonder what it says that she was blown up by the most evil mage in the history of Thedas not too long after this was said.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 20, 2018 0:51:15 GMT
1.) Templars have to take lyrium. They're addicted, and as we've seen, some of them can die from the withdrawal. As for envy demons, envy demons impersonate. It's a sad excuse, but it's better than the no excuse the mages have. You've literally offered no excuse, they just made a deal with Tevinter.
2.) No Bethany never said that. Wynne was perfectly happy and had the freedom to leave as she pleased. The rebels showed us, particularly through Adrian, that they had no right to be free. You need to offer better justifications.
3.) Elves wander because of humans. Templars, nobles, whatever. All hunt the elves. 1. The Templars exist for fighting demons, but they served it... I don't think this is a good deed. Who trust such king templars who serve a demon... And you said: a bunch of brainwashed druggy... It's your excuse to them, not my accusation... 2. Never? Just watch! Here's my sweet revolutionary (I'll never understand why people think, Bethany's totally idiot – she's a martyr, but not an idiot...): Wynne faction also rebelled... Only Vivienne's stupid "loyalists" not, and some coward. They're traitors. What means they haven't right to be free? Because the law says? Then the law is wrong. And the unjust law isn't law. 3. But the Templars were the Chantry's army and not once attacked the elves. They never would trust a Templar. The "king templars" were on red lyrium at the time. They'd believe whatever Corypheus told them: He literally controlled them. I'm sorry, but you need a better reason than "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" It feels like I'm talking to a cultist.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 20, 2018 1:21:49 GMT
1. The Templars exist for fighting demons, but they served it... I don't think this is a good deed. Who trust such king templars who serve a demon... And you said: a bunch of brainwashed druggy... It's your excuse to them, not my accusation... 2. Never? Just watch! Here's my sweet revolutionary (I'll never understand why people think, Bethany's totally idiot – she's a martyr, but not an idiot...): Wynne faction also rebelled... Only Vivienne's stupid "loyalists" not, and some coward. They're traitors. What means they haven't right to be free? Because the law says? Then the law is wrong. And the unjust law isn't law. 3. But the Templars were the Chantry's army and not once attacked the elves. They never would trust a Templar. The "king templars" were on red lyrium at the time. They'd believe whatever Corypheus told them: He literally controlled them. I'm sorry, but you need a better reason than "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" It feels like I'm talking to a cultist. You said the mages aren't trustworthy, because let themselves tricked by Alexius. (No, they still didn't want to destroy Southern-Thedas with Tevinter force – even according to Dorian, Alexius manipulated them.) But you even said, the Templars are trustworthy, because they only brainwashed addicts, cultists... So: according to you, nobody (not even a mage or an elf) can trust the mages, but everybody can trust the Templars because while they served that demon they served it just because they're brainwashed and red-lyrium addict... I think you convinced me. Really.
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Post by xerrai on Jun 22, 2018 20:57:17 GMT
Lord Seeker: "And what price would you have us pay for such idealism, Most Holy?" Justinia: "Idealism is our stock-in-trade, Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny." I agree with her. But I wonder what it says that she was blown up by the most evil mage in the history of Thedas not too long after this was said. Probably something said similar to what people thought when Anders blew up a Chantry: mages can be dangerous. The main difference is that Justinia was blown up by a mage that was an ancient magister, has some control of the taint, had access to a unique and powerful elven relic, etc....it was a ridiculously unique and near-impossible setup for the grand majority of mages. Hence why a magical cataclysm of Corypheaus's variety has never really been recorded (unless you count the invasion of the Golden City in ancient times). Mages of Corypheaus's caliber simply don't exist in most of modern Thedas anymore. They are like Cory or the Architect in that they just linger in the forgotten corners of thedas until awakened. But even more non-existent is the political landscape used to nourish and create these blighted-magisters. So while Justinia getting blown up by Corypheus is a warning on the dangers of magic, it ultimately came from a source that should render it irrelevant in modern political discussion (unless Solas does something in the near future where the state of magic in the known world changes drastically).
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 22, 2018 22:20:10 GMT
My characters always choose the mages because they are good people.
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Post by lilyonce on Jun 22, 2018 22:25:53 GMT
My characters always choose the mages because they are good people. My characters always choose the mages because they think they are good people.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 22, 2018 22:27:51 GMT
My characters always choose the mages because they are good people. My characters always choose the mages because they think they are good people. No, you misunderstand. My characters are good people, and so they help the mages.
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Post by lilyonce on Jun 22, 2018 22:33:16 GMT
No, you misunderstand. My characters are good people, and so they help the mages. No, I got it. I object to the premise. That a "good person" would side with the mages. Notwithstanding that your characters may not be very good if they make Erimond tranquil because they like to watch him squirm.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 23, 2018 4:17:04 GMT
No, you misunderstand. My characters are good people, and so they help the mages. No, I got it. I object to the premise. That a "good person" would side with the mages. Notwithstanding that your characters may not be very good if they make Erimond tranquil because they like to watch him squirm.No, that was just for Panda.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 23, 2018 8:16:34 GMT
Mage Trevelyan: not going to side with the people who took me away from my family and have been abusing their power over mages for a thousand years. Certainly not going to side with people who'd lock me up again if they had half a chance.
Simple as that really.
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Post by lilyonce on Jun 23, 2018 15:10:47 GMT
No, that was just for Panda. I also object to you being a pessimist. You can't be a pessimist and have an avatar that cute. It's impossible.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 23, 2018 16:28:52 GMT
No, that was just for Panda. I also object to you being a pessimist. You can't be a pessimist and have an avatar that cute. It's impossible. Well then I guess that also makes me a ParadoxicPanda.
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