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Post by river82 on Jun 9, 2018 22:04:44 GMT
Am I the only one who’s thinking of getting this game? some people on the nuBSN have issues with BioWare doing anything else but clones of their old games. I personally welcome diversity and I don't need romances nor companions in my games. I don't hear people saying "I want Bioware to make the same games over and over". You're arguing against a strawman.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 9, 2018 22:07:28 GMT
My interest so far is in the middle, I’d say I need to see more before making a decision.
A point I’d like to made in their favour, though, is that this is a new IP. While it might not check all/most of my preferences in terms of an RPG, I think it’s better for them to try new ideas, even making a radically different game from before, with a new IP. It might also help in terms of making DA or ME, in the future, more focused on their traditional stuff (like, for example in DAI, reintroducing stats as something we have control for, or using all abilities we have access to and not be limited to the same number we have access in MP).
This might very well not be the case, but I think it’s a reasonable possibility.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 9, 2018 22:07:59 GMT
I shall, never said you were wrong not to be interested in the game. To me its more interesting to see new things and new approaches then to have another developer be like Ubisoft making the same game all the time with a different skin. Andromeda proved to me BioWare needed to go back to making games they wanted to and not keep chasing the dream of giving people what they say they are liking, for that can go badly. Trying to separate themselves from what they have made before now means less upset people in February. I'm all for different things, but as an RPG gamer I'm looking for different things that still forward RPG gameplay. With Bioware, as a traditional RPG developer, I'm excited about new and interesting RPGs they bring about. This is a 3rd person co-op shooter always online game ... with a story and exploration. Great if you like co-op 3rd shooter gameplay, not so good if you're looking for a quality RPG. I mentioned it before but funnily enough, some of the better RPGs (what people consider RPGs) coming out these days are actually sport games. All the stats below you can increase over the course of the game (or decrease, if you don't spend time on them) and they directly affect gameplay. All that is fine and reasonable. My problem is I never really knew what RPG mechanics are for they seem to vary between person to person, the closest games I ever played that emulated what I expect with with RPG mechanics is the really old DnD games from I think the 90s. Since the era of the Xbox it has become more about looking at the final product and seeing if I have fun with it or not. Now with the PC distribution platforms having returns I don't have to take the word of anyone aside from myself, which I know not everyone can do.
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Post by river82 on Jun 9, 2018 22:13:07 GMT
All that is fine and reasonable. My problem is I never really knew what RPG mechanics are for they seem to vary between person to person, the closest games I ever played that emulated what I expect with with RPG mechanics is the really old DnD games from I think the 90s. Because computer hardware cannot simulate pure RPGs, games tended to select bits and pieces of the RPG genre which meant different players tended to look for different things. But the most common aspects are - depth of character progression and having that character progression reflect in the gameplay (or in other words stats and stat based combat/gameplay) and choices. Those should be central to the experience.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 9, 2018 22:57:01 GMT
some people on the nuBSN have issues with BioWare doing anything else but clones of their old games. I personally welcome diversity and I don't need romances nor companions in my games. I don't hear people saying "I want Bioware to make the same games over and over". You're arguing against a strawman. The first few posts are "no companions, no romance = not a BioWare game".
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Post by river82 on Jun 9, 2018 23:01:25 GMT
I don't hear people saying "I want Bioware to make the same games over and over". You're arguing against a strawman. The first few posts are "no companions, no romance = not a BioWare game". Even if that were the case the existence of companions and romance doesn't mean making the same game, unless Roguemance is now a clone of Bioware's old games.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 9, 2018 23:39:32 GMT
The first few posts are "no companions, no romance = not a BioWare game". I don't think anyone said it's not a Bioware game, but it is very different from what they used to do so I don't think it's strange that some people are wary whether or not this will suit them. Most of their games the past 10 years have been single player party based RPG, this one is a multiplayer without companions. I'm glad they are trying new stuff, but the long wait for DA and the less than ideal reception of MEA is making people hunger for more, and there really aren't that many games filling this niche or does it as well as Bioware. I'm excited for Anthem and I hope I will get a lot of enjoyment out of it, but I suspect I will feel very differently about it than I did DA and ME.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 9, 2018 23:54:11 GMT
The first few posts are "no companions, no romance = not a BioWare game". I don't think anyone said it's not a Bioware game, but it is very different from what they used to do so I don't think it's strange that some people are wary whether or not this will suit them. Most of their games the past 10 years have been single player party based RPG, this one is a multiplayer without companions. I'm glad they are trying new stuff, but the long wait for DA and the less than ideal reception of MEA is making people hunger for more, and there really aren't that many games filling this niche or does it as well as Bioware. I'm excited for Anthem and I hope I will get a lot of enjoyment out of it, but I suspect I will feel very differently about it than I did DA and ME. I know people who stopped buy BioWare games since ME2/DA2 because they decided BioWare was getting to action instead of RPG oriented despite them having no issues buying shooters from other companies. BioWare is the only gaming developer I know that gets these type of kneejerk reactions.
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Post by sil on Jun 10, 2018 0:00:33 GMT
Every piece of info that comes out puts me off even more. Definitely won't be getting this.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2018 0:02:29 GMT
I don't think anyone said it's not a Bioware game, but it is very different from what they used to do so I don't think it's strange that some people are wary whether or not this will suit them. Most of their games the past 10 years have been single player party based RPG, this one is a multiplayer without companions. I'm glad they are trying new stuff, but the long wait for DA and the less than ideal reception of MEA is making people hunger for more, and there really aren't that many games filling this niche or does it as well as Bioware. I'm excited for Anthem and I hope I will get a lot of enjoyment out of it, but I suspect I will feel very differently about it than I did DA and ME. I know people who stopped buy BioWare games since ME2/DA2 because they decided BioWare was getting to action instead of RPG oriented despite them having no issues buying shooters from other companies. BioWare is the only gaming developer I know that gets these type of kneejerk reactions. I think that it might depend from the fact of what Bioware used to make. They might not have a problem with a certain company making shooters because said company always made shooters. If, for example, Cyberpunk 2077 would be a MP-only game, people would bash CDPR as well.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 10, 2018 0:08:36 GMT
I know people who stopped buy BioWare games since ME2/DA2 because they decided BioWare was getting to action instead of RPG oriented despite them having no issues buying shooters from other companies. BioWare is the only gaming developer I know that gets these type of kneejerk reactions. I think that it might depend from the fact of what Bioware used to make. They might not have a problem with a certain company making shooters because said company always made shooters. If, for example, Cyberpunk 2077 would be a MP-only game, people would bash CDPR as well. I don't think so. When "mp" was rumored to be in Cyberpunk 2077 because CDPR got money from the Polish gov to work on that feature, all I saw was people going "hell yes!" online and a few saying "pass". No kneejerk reactions, nobody calling CDPR names either.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 10, 2018 0:15:20 GMT
So the 123 question confirmed that there is dialogue trees (but simpler ones) and that there is a character creation, which is good. But it also confirms that the hubs are entirely solo storytelling experiances and that there are no cooperative story decisions - which kills alot of my interest in the game.
I was hoping to interact with the story with friends like swtor allows (but hopefully better), if the only thing you can do with friends is fight stuff and the stories done alone then it might as well be a solo game as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 0:21:15 GMT
No romances. Always online Likely no modding No companions. Why should I get this game again? You've never shown any interest in the game, why are you asking for a justification now?
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Post by Pearl on Jun 10, 2018 0:26:34 GMT
Am I the only one who’s thinking of getting this game? Meh. It depends on what else gets announced between now and then. If there's nothing that really interests me, then I probably will just so I'll have something new to fucking play, but it's not exactly at the top of my list. That said, if there's a public "beta"demo then I'll definitely check it out either way. I think they already said they plan to have a private one, but I'm not impressed enough to warrant jumping through hoops to try to get in.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2018 0:33:44 GMT
I think that it might depend from the fact of what Bioware used to make. They might not have a problem with a certain company making shooters because said company always made shooters. If, for example, Cyberpunk 2077 would be a MP-only game, people would bash CDPR as well. I don't think so. When "mp" was rumored to be in Cyberpunk 2077 because CDPR got money from the Polish gov to work on that feature, all I saw was people going "hell yes!" online and a few saying "pass". No kneejerk reactions, nobody calling CDPR names either. MP being in the game isn’t the same as MP-only game. That’d definitely not be welcomed.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 10, 2018 0:46:56 GMT
No romances. Always online Likely no modding No companions. Why should I get this game again? You've never shown any interest in the game, why are you asking for a justification now? Because at this point Bioware is releasing more information. Presumably to encourage people to give this game a chance. I believe I even told you I was open to the possibility of being wrong. But what has just been told only reinforces all my worst fears. This really is just a Destiny clone. So, yeah, why should I give this game a chance? They've jettisoned literally everything that makes their games special.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 0:52:29 GMT
So, yeah, why should I give this game a chance? They've jettisoned literally everything that makes their games special. Today's reveals made me more interested, but you know what they say about mileage.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 10, 2018 1:03:44 GMT
I don't think so. When "mp" was rumored to be in Cyberpunk 2077 because CDPR got money from the Polish gov to work on that feature, all I saw was people going "hell yes!" online and a few saying "pass". No kneejerk reactions, nobody calling CDPR names either. MP being in the game isn’t the same as MP-only game. That’d definitely not be welcomed. And yet, people are having kneejerk reaction toward Anthem and BioWare for the game just having MP. See this thread with an interview that explain how the co-op works. Anthem is a mission-based hot-join game where you can set your session to private (which means never see anyone unless you invite them). You can't even trade with other players. Anthem is less a multiplayer game than Monster Hunter World which has a multiplayer hub and trading with others.
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Post by bshep on Jun 10, 2018 1:05:00 GMT
Am I the only one who’s thinking of getting this game? I doubt it Definitively not, some people on the nuBSN have issues with BioWare doing anything else but clones of their old games. I personally welcome diversity and I don't need romances nor companions in my games. Now though, I need to watch more what Anthem as to offer, I just came back from where I spent the day (and I'm dead tired, dek hockey/hockey ball tournament are though on your batteries) *runs to the other threads and videos* Now that is a healthy approuch to a game we barely know anything about it. So the 123 question confirmed that there is dialogue trees (but simpler ones) and that there is a character creation, which is good. But it also confirms that the hubs are entirely solo storytelling experiances and that there are no cooperative story decisions - which kills alot of my interest in the game. I was hoping to interact with the story with friends like swtor allows (but hopefully better), if the only thing you can do with friends is fight stuff and the stories done alone then it might as well be a solo game as far as I'm concerned. I think i prefer this way. After a while it was really annoying seeing "partners" spamming the chatbox with "SPACE BAR SKIP!" during cutscenes because they weren't interested in watching them. Mark also put some emphasis on not being able to be a jerk/troll to other players.
edit: Read the gameinformer article. From the way described, indeed the quest sytem feels like the one used to do Flashpoints in SWTOR.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 10, 2018 1:21:50 GMT
I doubt it Definitively not, some people on the nuBSN have issues with BioWare doing anything else but clones of their old games. I personally welcome diversity and I don't need romances nor companions in my games. Now though, I need to watch more what Anthem as to offer, I just came back from where I spent the day (and I'm dead tired, dek hockey/hockey ball tournament are though on your batteries) *runs to the other threads and videos* Now that is a healthy approuch to a game we barely know anything about it. So the 123 question confirmed that there is dialogue trees (but simpler ones) and that there is a character creation, which is good. But it also confirms that the hubs are entirely solo storytelling experiances and that there are no cooperative story decisions - which kills alot of my interest in the game. I was hoping to interact with the story with friends like swtor allows (but hopefully better), if the only thing you can do with friends is fight stuff and the stories done alone then it might as well be a solo game as far as I'm concerned. I think i prefer this way. After a while it was really annoying seeing "partners" spamming the chatbox with "SPACE BAR SKIP!" during cutscenes because they weren't interested in watching them. Mark also put some emphasis on not being able to be a jerk/troll to other players.
I only played with people I knew in real life who also wanted to see the cutscenes and conversations so that wasn't a problem for me. Hopefully the game will look worth playing based on the single player content.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2018 1:22:22 GMT
MP being in the game isn’t the same as MP-only game. That’d definitely not be welcomed. And yet, people are having kneejerk reaction toward Anthem and BioWare for the game just having MP. See this thread with an interview that explain how the co-op works. Anthem is a mission-based hot-join game where you can set your session to private (which means never see anyone unless you invite them). You can't even trade with other players. Anthem is less a multiplayer game than Monster Hunter World which has a multiplayer hub and trading with others. But Bioware, right now, has a different rep then CDPR in the eyes of most people. That’s the reason behind most negativity. That, and other major changes to the traditional formula. Which, while I might not be completely be fond of, is fine for Anthem, in my opinion, given that it’s a new IP.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 10, 2018 1:54:48 GMT
So, yeah, why should I give this game a chance? They've jettisoned literally everything that makes their games special. Today's reveals made me more interested, but you know what they say about mileage. Don't take this the wrong way, but WHY!? Why does not having companions make the game at all MORE interesting? And always having to be online, even in a single player game? I can't even get Netflix to play reliably through a movie! seriously, are pretty graphics and shooting mechanics all it takes to please people anymore?
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Post by phoray on Jun 10, 2018 1:59:51 GMT
just a bit worried abou the first person in the hub bit, In the 123 Rapid Fire Questions video, Darrah says that the story bits won't be in First Person.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 2:07:47 GMT
ok. - I love BioWare stories, they are not giving much away but these old gods and technologies sound interesting with deep lore.
- I love BioWare characters - you won't have combat companions exactly because they will be other people (which is still interesting, but moving on) but you will have interesting characters like the Advisors in Dragon Age Inquisition (Cullen, Leliana quality characters).
- The romance is a bit of indifferent news but they have said they will focus on friendships and building relationships (shooting cans with Garrus as an example)
- Personally modding isn't something i've needed, I've never played a modded BioWare game.
- The online part is kind of obvious, it allows them to push out changes in balance and story without patching, making the game more responsive, and more (as the saying goes) 'live'. And as the game is on a multiplayer engine, making a 'solo only' offline version just sounds like asking for trouble and complication.
- From today's other news: No, PVP, no predatory game economy, both good.
- The matchmaking sounds to be an advanced mechanic rather than a faff to invite people you know or don't know.
- The combat looks terrific
- Crafting and customization looks good.
- I think I could quite happily sink hundreds of hours in here.
That's why. I don't think these points are unreasonable and are a fair basis for those who like those things to be looking forward to Anthem.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 10, 2018 2:27:49 GMT
The first few posts are "no companions, no romance = not a BioWare game". I don't think anyone said it's not a Bioware game, but it is very different from what they used to do so I don't think it's strange that some people are wary whether or not this will suit them. Most of their games the past 10 years have been single player party based RPG, this one is a multiplayer without companions. I'm glad they are trying new stuff, but the long wait for DA and the less than ideal reception of MEA is making people hunger for more, and there really aren't that many games filling this niche or does it as well as Bioware. I'm excited for Anthem and I hope I will get a lot of enjoyment out of it, but I suspect I will feel very differently about it than I did DA and ME. I’ve heard a lot of people say it outside these forums.
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